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    why no 29er full suspension? still?

    why no 29er full suspension? still? i have posted sometime time ago about this, even gt is rockin 29er wheels in 2011! i dont know what cannondale is waiting for?

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    full suspension 29er's are silly

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    Yeah seriously dumb. Doesn't make sense why they don't make any.
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    In all seriousness, does anyone out there know the answer?
    Love my Rize but am going to buy a 29er FS. Would definately get another Cannondale if they had an option?
    Do they think it is just a fad? They are sadly mistaken if that is their opinion.

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    i saw the new cannondale line up, and i wasnt impressed, really a pull shock suspension, its been done before... i would have been more impressed if they came out at least with a 29er scalpel, or rush...cannondale has really lost there edge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613
    cannondale has really lost there edge...
    REALLY? They only have the lightest hard tail on the planet (Flash). They completely redesigned the best racing machine on the planet and made it better (Scalpel). Brought four new bikes to their line up in the Jekyll, Claymore, CAAD10 and Super X. So, just because they did not make the bike that YOU wanted them to make they have lost their edge? Get over yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason.R
    REALLY? They only have the lightest hard tail on the planet (Flash). They completely redesigned the best racing machine on the planet and made it better (Scalpel). Brought four new bikes to their line up in the Jekyll, Claymore, CAAD10 and Super X. So, just because they did not make the bike that YOU wanted them to make they have lost their edge? Get over yourself.
    Totally agree...29er's are not the be all and end all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613
    why no 29er full suspension? still? i have posted sometime time ago about this, even gt is rockin 29er wheels in 2011! i dont know what cannondale is waiting for?

    2011 GT 29ers

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    i thought in 2011 there will be a 29er scalpel

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    I just posted a question about this on the 29er board; I was in my LBS yesterday and the manager casually mentioned that a Scalpel 29er would be coming out spring 2011. He said it would have a pivot near the BB rather than the flexy chainstays like the 26er scalpel....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird
    I just posted a question about this on the 29er board; I was in my LBS yesterday and the manager casually mentioned that a Scalpel 29er would be coming out spring 2011. He said it would have a pivot near the BB rather than the flexy chainstays like the 26er scalpel....
    That would make it not a Scalpel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason.R
    full suspension 29er's are silly
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    Yeah, I was kind of thinking that. Maybe the longer chainstays makes it hard to keep the rear end stiff enough with the flexy stays. Very interested to see what comes out though....

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    There is a 29er Scalpel available:



    If you need more cushion than a 26er Scalpel or a 29er hardtail, you are not looking for a true XC race bike IMO...

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    Probably so, but a carbon FS 29er w/ a Lefty fork would be a heck of an endurance race rig. I'm thinking it could be sub-7 lbs. for frame+fork...

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    I heard a while back that early 2011 cannondale will be coming out with a full squish 29er i suspect it will be a Scalpel to compete with the new S-Works epic FSR 29er and the Santa Cruz tallboy. It only makes evolutionarily sense that Cannondale come out with a 29er Scalpel.

    I'll not go as far and say that i've drank the 29er kool-aid but i find it next to impossible that i will ever go back to a 26" bike ever again. Once you see euro XC pros winnng races on 29ers it will be the end of 26' XC bikes.

    the 2x10 gearing is the godsend for big wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird
    I just posted a question about this on the 29er board; I was in my LBS yesterday and the manager casually mentioned that a Scalpel 29er would be coming out spring 2011. He said it would have a pivot near the BB rather than the flexy chainstays like the 26er scalpel....
    Maybe it will be launched at Euro Bike ?..after all the Germans are hot for 29ers.

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    It is coming... not sure if it'll be a 2011.5 or 2012. C'dale rep said they have not quite nailed the rear suspension they want to go with.

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    my vote for a 29er rz

    otherwise i buy a niner ...

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    Scalpel 29er rumor: true? Anyone got more info?

    Considering how frickin' crazy some of the WC courses look, I'd think a full-suspension 29er would be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    There is a 29er Scalpel available:



    If you need more cushion than a 26er Scalpel or a 29er hardtail, you are not looking for a true XC race bike IMO...
    Dan why does a bike have to fit in an existing category for a predetermined use to be desirable?

    PS: That flash 29'er looks sweet. Makes me jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    There is a 29er Scalpel available:

    If you need more cushion than a 26er Scalpel or a 29er hardtail, you are not looking for a true XC race bike IMO...
    I have a carbon HT 29er. It has no more "cush" than a 26er HT.
    For rooty or technical courses, the Scalpel 29er would be a perfect race machine. With that said though, the new 26" Scalpel is on my list of bikes to test ride....very sweet indeed.
    My point -> try the Scalpel 29er (when it comes out) before you judge it is not needed.

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    If Cannondale had come out with bikes like this a few years ago, they wouldn't have had to sell out to Dorel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogiprophet
    I have a carbon HT 29er. It has no more "cush" than a 26er HT.
    No but it will roll over a lot taller roots and rocks smoothly than a 26 will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason.R
    No but it will roll over a lot taller roots and rocks smoothly than a 26 will.
    Not as smoothly as a Scalpel 29er would, and with so little weight penalty....get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogiprophet
    get it?

    the point.................no

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    It will not use a pivotless chainstay like the 26 scalpel. pretty sure..
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    That's too bad. Rushing a product to market? An 80mm/80mm softtail setup would be perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daffunda
    It will not use a pivotless chainstay like the 26 scalpel. pretty sure..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    If Cannondale had come out with bikes like this a few years ago, they wouldn't have had to sell out to Dorel.
    For a 673rd time, Cannondale didn't sell out, they were owned by Pegasus a finance company who never cared for Cannondale or bikes apart from making some money, their plan was to sell Cannondale no matter what... Dorel is one of the reasons you see such improved bikes nowadays, they're actually into bikes and wanting Cannondales to be the best bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    For a 673rd time, Cannondale didn't sell out, they were owned by Pegasus a finance company who never cared for Cannondale or bikes apart from making some money, their plan was to sell Cannondale no matter what... Dorel is one of the reasons you see such improved bikes nowadays, they're actually into bikes and wanting Cannondales to be the best bikes.
    Agree 100% Dan.
    It shouldn't be hard to draw the correlation between Dorel and the investments in development and brining to market new ideas in the past couple of years.

    Having said that (back on topic), I love my F29'er 1, however I would trade it for a Cannondale 80mm/80mm full suspension 29'er in a heart beat.
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    I stand corrected on the ownership issue.

    About the bike, I was interested to see the move of the 2011 26" Scalpel down to 80mm travel. It acknowledged the murmurs that a 100mm travel softtail was too much flex.

    Extrapolating the new 80mm suspension design to bigger wheels would be perfect. It's disappointing to hear they're going with hinges instead.

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    Well, no one here really knows (well those who do wont tell) and no one here posted nothing more than rumors, gossips and wishfull thinking about a 29er FS from Cannondale... My guess is that if the bike comes out and has pivots, it probably wont be called a Scalpel... They revived the Jekyll name because that means a dual personality (geometry, travel, feel), I think that a bike with the name Scalpel must keep the flexing stays, I would come out with a new name if it's a race bike with pivots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    For a 673rd time, Cannondale didn't sell out, they were owned by Pegasus a finance company who never cared for Cannondale or bikes apart from making some money, their plan was to sell Cannondale no matter what... Dorel is one of the reasons you see such improved bikes nowadays, they're actually into bikes and wanting Cannondales to be the best bikes.
    i would go so far without dorel
    cannondales wouldn´t be able to fabricate bikes like:

    rize
    new scalpel (100rear and now 80mm)
    jekyll
    claymore
    and a lot of others roadbikes ...

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    david8613- Check out the KHS Flagstaff.
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    nice khs, but i wanna cannondale do somerhing in a dually, i wonder if theyll use the pull shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    I stand corrected on the ownership issue.

    About the bike, I was interested to see the move of the 2011 26" Scalpel down to 80mm travel. It acknowledged the murmurs that a 100mm travel softtail was too much flex.

    Extrapolating the new 80mm suspension design to bigger wheels would be perfect. It's disappointing to hear they're going with hinges instead.
    Are you referring to "too much vertical flex" or "flexy rear end"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    There is a 29er Scalpel available:



    If you need more cushion than a 26er Scalpel or a 29er hardtail, you are not looking for a true XC race bike IMO...
    The more I ride my Flash the more I'd be inclined to agree with you. Just wondering when they're going to come up with something more agressive than a -5 stem so you can ride one of these wonder machines. Bet you like it better than a crosser.


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    I think 100mm is too much vertical flex for a direct/elegant softtail design to handle with just Propedal to deflect it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Epic-o
    Are you referring to "too much vertical flex" or "flexy rear end"?

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    The bike that Cannondale is really missing from their 29er line up is not a 29er fs, but rather a carbon frame single speed. Where is the Flash 29er frame with a chain tension method (I'll vote for sliding dropouts, which seem to be the choice of both GF and Specialized for 2011) With both those competitors making a carbon SS frame why is Cannondale leaving themselves out?

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    dual suspension is where the money is at, i think. but the thing that gets me is cannondale is waiting so long to make this happen, cannondale used to be the first out the door, remember when free riding first came about, everyone thought it was bull, but cannondale was all over it, they even tried to copyright the word "free ride"

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