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    Why isn't lefty good enough for Europe?

    I was looking for a mid/low end Prophet say 3,4 or 5 since my wife has acquired my SuperV carbon. I'm a gentle rider but it doesn't mean I can't have a distinguished looking bike right. The only Euro '07 Prophet with with the lefty is the P1 at over £3,500 say $7k! Without the lefty surely its just another single pivot frs. The China thread is very interesting maybe there's a common problem at Cannondale. Do these people really know what business they want to be in?

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    Maintenance...

    I Got a low end prophet and changed the fork ....read to many threads on here to want to play with a lefty, even if it is great. i don't have the time or money to fiddle, tune and maintain.....Bearing migration ffs whats that all about...lol.........get it right! and ill buy it, but it does not sound sorted yet.

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    "Why isn't lefty good enough for Europe?"

    You've got it backwards. Europe is not good enough for the Lefty!
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    Dont shoot the messenger. I want to buy one. Patriotism is great but jingoism is just putting your head in the sand.

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    It's economics and market. Basically, bikes cost more in Europe for different reasons and to lower prices, Cannondale specs cheaper forks, that combined with a market that seems more reluctant to give the one legged wonder a chance I guess.

    Lefties don't require much more maintenance and no more tuning than standard forks and are very strong and durable. I'd rather take 2 minutes to reset bearings twice a year than have a sloppy fork because bushings wear out, much faster than bearings.

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    But where is the conviction in their product? There are more similarities between bikes than differences. The lefty is a unique selling point which most businesses find invaluable. BMW dont put push rod V8s in their US spec cars because thats what you guys all know/like. The price thing isn't really an issue at the moment with nearly $2 to the £.

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    Well it's just a guess from my part. I'm sure Cannondale must have some reasons, perhaps they didn't sell well and after a few years trying to push it, decided it was better for buisness to sell a Cannondale without a Lefty than not sell a Cannondale at all.

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    Get Rush 5,4 or Rush Carbon 3. Rush has Lefty from 5 up (only 6 has "normal" fork".
    This is what I did..and must say that Rush is great, dont miss extra 30 mm of travel.

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    I agree with Dan Gerous : it's just because a pike is around 400 dolleuros when a lefty is 1200.... maybe also european ride in tech singles and have some enough with the lefty wich packs itself always....

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    Quote Originally Posted by milpat
    maybe also european ride in tech singles and have some enough with the lefty wich packs itself always....
    That's where we stop agreeing, if you tried a Lefty that packed in tech trails, it wasn't adjusted for you. The steering precision and of the Lefty is a big plus in very tech trails (and I know, most trails I ride are singletracks infested with rocks of all sizes and roots everywhere).

    While the Lefty can't be for everyone like any other product, I still feel it's superior in almost every way to other forks. Lighter, stiffer, more precise, more durable, sweet travel... I can't ride standard forks anymore, everytime I do, I feel like it's made of Jell-O or that the bushings are dead...

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    may be my english is not good enough to explain my point of vue : i've a very good fork a 140 spv "aluminium" but with a titanium coil and i had it "optimised" by the french docteur headshok who was the headshok technician of the volvo team for long years

    since it's optimised, i don't lost many clearance but sometimes i need to make the "cedric gracia" operation : you lock the front wheel under your foot and pomp up to have the needles back up ; it's not a big problem but my friends who didn't have their lefty "optimised" need to do it ofently and find it's boring....

    in spite of it, it's true thats the lefty needs less maintenance rather others forks


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    Quote Originally Posted by milpat

    That's one heck of an off-camber climb!


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    Quote Originally Posted by milpat
    sometimes i need to make the "cedric gracia" operation : you lock the front wheel under your foot and pomp up to have the needles back up ; it's not a big problem but my friends who didn't have their lefty "optimised" need to do it ofently and find it's boring....
    That's not normal and I never seen anyone having to do that. Maybe you do not have enough preload on the bearings so you get lightning fast bearing migration. The preload can be tuned by thickening the races the bearings roll onto. Too much preload makes travel much less smooth but without much migration, too little preload makes travel butter smooth but with faster migration. When properly preloaded, you get smooth travel and acceptable migration rate. I have to reset the bearings maybe twice a year on mine.

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    Wouldn't it be a "Righty" in Europe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruejam_db
    Wouldn't it be a "Righty" in Europe?
    Nah, only in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    That's not normal and I never seen anyone having to do that..
    Cedric Gracia used to do it and it's a simple way to get the needles back if you ride hard.... or bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by milpat
    Cedric Gracia used to do it and it's a simple way to get the needles back if you ride hard.... or bad
    Je ne l'ai jamais vu faire ca mais bon, j'imagine que c'est normal quand tu roules comme Cedric, il 'bottom out' ses fourches regulierement en atterissant de ses sauts et c'est surtout au 'bottom out' que les roulements migrent...

    Sorry for the french, I was just saying the more you bottom out, the more the bearings will migrate and the way Cedric sometimes ride, he bottoms out his forks quite often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milpat
    may be my english is not good enough to explain my point of vue :
    Milpat - votre anglais est excellent, mon opinion. Probablement mieux que mon francais...

    I was in France a few months ago, (Claremont-Ferrand). Didn't get a chance to rent a MTB. Too bad for me.

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    Lol

    You know why we drive on the left in the UK? It comes from defending yourself or greeting someone (done with the right hand if you are right handed) in ye olde days. The USA changed to the right because of some horse drawn haulage or something... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving..._left_or_right

    Anyway, I am in Europe, and got a headshok instead of a lefty. The difference in price was £150 (about $300) between the headshok bike and the lefty bike.

    I chose the headshok for a few reasons:

    * Cheaper by £150
    * Looks more balanced
    * Lighter by 450 grams approx
    * 80mm travel felt enough foir a hardtail
    * No special hubs or wheel construction for the front wheel

    I have to say I am super happy so far with the headshok. It just works, feels very controlled and really isn't that noticeable until I lock it. The larger travel bikes I have tried hardtail with 120mm travel or whatever feels like I am going over the handlebars. I haven't tried a lefty and I am sure it is a great fork (non-fork? is it even called that? Just shock?) but I felt that it was just overkill for what I wanted (a light XC bike). In a couple of years, I am telling myself (if I am good!) I can buy a full suspension bike, and may look at a C/dale lefty then.

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    hi there, I am from Europe and I don't understand,why the lefty isn't more popular over here. My bike is a rush 600 with some upgrades and I am really happy with the lefty....it's a great fork. I the cannondale guys are trying to boost their sales in Europe - fair enough....
    but at least they should give customers the chance to decide if they want to have a lefty or a " normal" fork.....a C'dale without lefty or fatty looks strange to me.....

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    The Brits go for whatever is fashionable, they all want RS Pikes.
    Lefty is immediately dismissed because it looks weird, it is usually slated by folk that have never tried it either!

    I love my lefty and it's a peice of p1ss to maintain.

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    in the u.k its very trendy to ride fox rockshox ,and uber fashionable to ride pace,ive tried em all and think the lefty wins hands down,if people dont like the look of the lefty,so what i do and so do most of you guys.,and the lefty is still a geat talking point ,uh one leg .and your point is.mr rockfox.

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    Lefty always,

    easy to maintain

    strong

    light

    nuff said

    Cannondale Europe is a separate company though and they spec the bikes for what their markets want.
    In Europe, they love to transport bikes on the roof for some weird reason and this makes LEfty harder to transport.

    Then there's the I don't want to be diffierent mentality..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad
    In Europe, they love to transport bikes on the roof for some weird reason and this makes LEfty harder to transport.

    Then there's the I don't want to be diffierent mentality..
    Not an excuse, I always transport my bikes on the roof. And with more thru-axle front ends, all the standard fork manufacturers are releasing proprietary attachements for their thru-axle forks, standard quick release forks will become less common as people find out stiffer hub interfaces are better... But I don't mind if people are affraid of what they don't know, I don't dislike being different.

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    the issues wih lefty's in Europe are the extraordinarily high price and the difficulty in finding someone competant to service them

    in Europe cars are smaller then the monsters driven in the states hence putting a lefty forked bike in the back can be a faff. Roof mounted carriers like the thule 591 are perfect though, although you are always worried about low height barriers (mainly to stop commercial vehicles and "honest" travelling folk)

    lefty's are also difficult to transfer to another bike

    they actually have a reasonable reputation amongst those who have used them but they aren't perfect (my 2001 ELO is too linear and blows through its travel too easily and doesnt seem to have an way of adjusting the damping, I like the stiffness and the ELO)

    29ers get a hammering in the UK forums but the majority of those who ride them love them

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    Come over here and buy what ever bike you like. The pound crushes the dollar and you get a cool trip out of it. Cash in some frequent flier miles and get what you want.

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    I was born in Germany and lived there until my dad retired from the armed services.
    I guess the reason behind not selling lefty's in Europe is quite simple: 1.) They're weight weenies and although the lefty is lighter than similar forks in it's class you're too limited in the selection of really light wheel sets (unless they're custom built). 2.)Maintenance. You can disassemble a Manitou, Fox or Rock Shox with only a simple socket set...try that with a lefty. 3.)Euro vs. US Dollar. Spare parts are expensive, and cannondale Europe is a pain when it comes to delivery times, and then they only want to send them to a certified cannondale dealer and they pretty rare.(Believe me...been there, done that!). 4.) Differences in riding styles!!! You don't find many bike parks in Europe that are set up with tight, fast switchbacks type single trails where the extremely stiff lefty has the true advantage over any other fork on the market today. Europeans are not crazy fun riders...most of the riders that I've met are more into endurance xc type of stuff.
    OR MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT'S AN AMERICAN INVENTION AND NOT A EUROPEAN ONE ;-)

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    My Lefty needs parts once in a while. I live in Spain and I need them t be sent from Oregon. No way you get them here.
    Europe likes no lefties and no macs either. Too American.
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    Since I'm really a pain in the a$$ when it comes to ask questions, here's what Cannondale had to say about the current line of Prophet bikes in Europe not being equipped with Lefty forks:

    From: SERVICEDESKEUROPE
    Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 5:05 PM
    To: 'Henrique Perry'
    Subject: RE: lefty forks on prophet...


    Dear Mr. Perry,

    Thank you for your e-mail.
    Mountain biking has evolved at a tremendous rate, segments are growing and bikes are becoming more and more specialist depending on rider needs. Our goal at Cannondale's is to provide the ultimate cycling experience for consumers the world over. Part of Cannondale's Product Creation Process, that every product goes through, identifies the riders needs and from this we determine how to best meet these requirements.
    We are very committed to our SI philosophy, and especially the Lefty HeadShok suspension fork, as it is clear the benefits that it brings in certain segments. However, through extensive market research and dealer/consumer feed back we found that typically "All Mountain/Enduro" style riders in Europe were more accustomed to wanting a standard fork. Our HeadShok Lefty and Fatty forks are specified throughout our Marathon and XC-Racing segments as this type of rider is very focussed towards performance, low weight and stiffness - exactly where our HeadShok forks lead the industry. It's a case of trying to tailor the product to the type of rider/market as best we can. Of course not all riders are the same so there will always be a conflict between what people want. I hope that you can appreciate how we are positioning HeadShok Lefty and Fatty as the ultimate fork for racing/competition and the decision to fit a larger range of standard forks on our all mountain and enduro range.


    Kind regards

    Customer Service

    Phone: +41 (0) 61-4879380
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    So, I guess this says it all, heh?
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    Interesting..... the main criticisms of cannondale over here in Europe is the price.. when compared to other bikes they always have a lower spec. One of the reasons for this is the expense of the lefty. Europeans are not ready to drop extra cash on a cannondale just for the lefty, despite it being a good fork, and the made in USA tag, which doesn't really carry any kudos over here.

    Its basic economics. cannondale figure.. a lefty fitted bike with a rubbish spec wont sell as many as a good spec bike with a more generic fork... makes sense to me

    The lefty is a good ride but there are some other really good and much cheaper forks out there these days.. plus the whole propriety front end is just a pain in the ass.

    Oh can I add that customer service from cannondale Europe is shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac

    Dear Mr. Perry,

    Thank you for your e-mail.
    Mountain biking has evolved at a tremendous rate, segments are growing and bikes are becoming more and more specialist depending on rider needs. Our goal at Cannondale's is to provide the ultimate cycling experience for consumers the world over. Part of Cannondale's Product Creation Process, that every product goes through, identifies the

    So, I guess this says it all, heh?
    That's interesting... Nice to hear it from Cannondale themselves.
    I can't say I'm surprised though... Seems logical, I guess.

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