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    What do we know about '08 latecomers?

    I've seen a few vague remarks, but what do we know about the '08 latecomers in the 160 and 130mm travel categories? I saw the pic of the all white Prophet MX, but is there anything else? Sources? I'm trying to decide if it's worth waiting, or if I should buy now while I can still get '07s. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazylax42
    I've seen a few vague remarks, but what do we know about the '08 latecomers in the 160 and 130mm travel categories? I saw the pic of the all white Prophet MX, but is there anything else? Sources? I'm trying to decide if it's worth waiting, or if I should buy now while I can still get '07s. thanks
    I have seen a drawing at my local LBS. The only other information I have is that they will be available May/June 2008. I know that I am going to wait till then. currently still happy with my Jekyll, but will definite change it when the 130 Trail Carbon comes out.

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    Big Mountain 160?

    Here's a scan from this months MBR magazine, here in the UK about what they say is next years 160mm travel bike.
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    So whats that called? 4 bar link, Horst wotnot or upside down Nomad.
    Single pivot rules OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baker921
    So whats that called? 4 bar link, Horst wotnot or upside down Nomad.
    Single pivot rules OK.
    That is a single pivot...

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    the most promising aspect of that photo is the 1.5" dia. headtube bring on the lefty maximus 160!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgordo
    the most promising aspect of that photo is the 1.5" dia. headtube bring on the lefty maximus 160!!!!!!!
    Apart from the asian made entry-level hardtails, when's the last time you saw a Cannondale Mountain bike without a 1.5 headtube? That's a given. Especially since Cannondale had 1.5 headtubes before the OnePointFive standard even existed.

    That bike is far from being as elegant as Cannondale usually are, but a prototype is a prototype, it's purpose is more to test geometries, suspension action and rates and so on, I think the final product will look much better.

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    That article cemented the kiss of death of the Prophet...

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    that makes me not want a prophet now...crap. Any similar info on the 130mm trail bike?

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    This looks really simple....NOT!
    You can bet the final product will look much better, probably completely different - anybody remember Darwin vs. Rush?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    That article cemented the kiss of death of the Prophet...
    I don't get how this picture makes the existing Prophet a bad bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by HansCastorp
    I don't get how this picture makes the existing Prophet a bad bike
    It doesn't.

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    sooo...if the prophet does get the axe, what do they do with frame warranty stuff? Give you the 130mm bike? I've got a friend who warrantied his older Gemini for a Perp frame because his was so much nicer than the current gemini...would they do the same for prophet?

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    Hans, I meant that C'dale will most likely be killing the Prophet line after this year. I have a Prophet and think it's an amazing bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloated Badger
    Here's a scan from this months MBR magazine, here in the UK about what they say is next years 160mm travel bike.
    Wow, you're a legend. Thank you for posting that photo.

    She isn't very pretty is she... I was thinking they would've moved on from the SP... Maybe not

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    Now if they could add a pivot to that bottle holder, you could have mixed drinks after each ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Now if they could add a pivot to that bottle holder, you could have mixed drinks after each ride.
    Lefties have many advantages: I mount a water bottle cage to the front wheel's mounting bolt on the right of the wheel... I always lose the drinks as soon as I hit 15mph though...

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    hm, can you say meta - commencal meta? yes, the meta wasn't the first, but there sure has sprung out quite a few bikes with similar rear wheel suspension lately.(no, i don't mean single pivots, but sp with this kind of triangulated rockers.) this def remind me of a meta anyway. the main difference is just where the swingarm is attached to the fornt triangle, or rather the look of the swingarm. this makes for the difference in the linkage. i can't see why attaching the lower end of the shock to the swingarm would make any difference other than saving weight (no extra mount on the frame, just a small one on the swingarm - or does this make it heavier?) as the lenght from the rocker and the swingarm seems to be constant.. errrr, meaning that the rocker is the part that moves closer to the swingarm, and not the other way around. the curve of the mount seems to be pretty much flat, but what do i know.

    anyway, looking forward to seeing the production bike. if they're gonna make this one in carbon.. well, it will be interesting.

    and kevin g, that drink comment was hillarious

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    Interesting bike, but not by its looks. I have secretly hoped C'dale puts a Maxle thru-axle system (for rear wheel), 160 mm rear wheel travel and Lyrik forks with 1.5" steerer tube on Prophet MXs. That has not happened, but perhaps they make these happen in this new model.
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    I can't see how this design will actually help make the bike lighter though... there are more parts, resulting in more weight. (common sense tells me that). But, it also looks like they've finally got rid of the main flaw of the Prophet: The swing arm lwill be way more stiffer, since the main Pivot looks huge (never understood why cannondale used a smaller pivot/bearing on their AM Prophet than on the older Super Vee and Jeckylls) and using the rocker arm insulates lateral forces from negatively affecting the shock resulting in longer lasting shock/and bushings. And finally there's a water bottle mount that you can reach without getting your hands chopped off by the chainrings I like to keep water in my camelbak and the beer on the bike... (and other sorts of energy drinks)
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    It was about time

    I just think the conceptual design of the bike is very good. The bike seems to be very light and insanely plush, yet very active; I liked the new linkage. That's very promissing, and made me have faith in Cannondale again. I really dig the new concept, and that made me turn my eyes away from the Enduro SL for a moment. Let's wait and see. Good job Cannondale.

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    this frame looks heavier than it needs be. it's about time that cannondale took their sp design a step beyond the most simpel form in the long travel bikes (like they did on the perp/judge) and thus this look somewhat promesing. it still looks kinda bad though, and as i mentioned before, like meta rip off with a cannondale swingarm. however sceptical i am it still changed the way i look at my prophet... if i was cannondale i would liscence the headtube interchangeable geometry from the commencal supreme though. way superior to the prophets way of adjusting the angles.

    and enduro sl? please, the spesh dual crown fork is enough to kill that bike as an afrodisiac. ;-) hehe, don't buy spesh. if you do they'll only buy up more patents and start sueing everybody else. there's too many nice bikes out there to even consider spesh i believe. i used to like em, but... (yes, i'm sure it's a nice bike, but.. it's spesh)
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    Watching the pic closely, is the shock attached to swingarm? That's gonna produce a big leverage ratio... But looks like just what Trek did to their bikes. It seems to be a good idea, though.

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    Remember that is just a prototype and the end product may not look anything like that.
    Its good to know that they are trying different concepts and want to move the brand forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    That article cemented the kiss of death of the Prophet...
    The Prophet's death is not envisaged before the arrival of the 130 mm (with the new lefty) !

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    Anything new? I'm really wanting to pull the trigger on a bike, but worried that the supposedly upcoming 130mm platform (prophet replacement) will be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazylax42
    Anything new? I'm really wanting to pull the trigger on a bike, but worried that the supposedly upcoming 130mm platform (prophet replacement) will be awesome.
    We're still in 2007...

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    since when does that matter in this industry?
    to clarify: I had heard that this 130mm platform would likely be made available sometime spring '08, so I figured that some form of news would have trickled out somewhere if there was actually anything to this rumor, much like the 160mm platform that was photographed and shared above.

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    anybody have pics of the darwin (rush) bike? just curious on how much that prototype changed compared to the final product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613
    anybody have pics of the darwin (rush) bike? just curious on how much that prototype changed compared to the final product.
    That?


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    yuck!

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    Rush may go/change as well

    Also some rumors that the Rush will be replaced, either with a different bike with 130, or increase the travel of the current bike. It could make sense with the Scalpel now at 100 and trail bikes going up in travel. That way Cannondale would have the major travel points hit. 100, 130, 160, 180-200

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    hey, that really makes sense. I mean, the rush is crazy popular and they just introduced several levels of it in carbon, but it would still kinda make sense. Maybe they'll do a 130 or 120 (like trek and specialized have) for that, and the 160 is the prophet replacement. All along I've been thinking the 130 would be the new AM rig. But the way things are going, 5 inches really isn't even all that aggressive anymore is it? Of course, if Dorel acquires them, alot of things might change. mongoose and gt have the 4" and 6" tiers going on.

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    I love the Rush. I'd buy one tomorrow if I had the money. But since I don't, I'm gonna play the waiting game and see what the 130mm rides look (and perform) like. It's a win-win situation; if they are nice I'll get one. If they don't suit me, I'll get an "old" Rush at a closeout price . Man am I ready for a new ride...thank goodness I'm currently broke! Never thought I'd say that...

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    another thing i heard on the grape was cannondale wanted to make more high end carbon long travel bikes....i like, i like alot!

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    The 130mm model looks very similar to another bike in they're line, but Ive heard names and design are subject to change until their release.

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    looks similar to which bike?

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    They should bring back the Super V, but with linkages similar to the 160mm bike shown earlier, mounted to the "top/seat" tube...
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    By using linkages they can alter the way that the suspension performs and do not have to rely on platform shocks, this should give a plusher ride with better small bump and square edge bump absorbing by the shocker/ linkages.

    Or at least thats the theory????

    Time will tell.

    There is so many good looking bikes out there begging me to purchase them, BUT I really love my prophet 1000 and can see no reason to need to replace it? it rides fantastically and looks the Bomb!!

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    my question was posted on the BRAD blog today on cannondale's website:



    Posted on: 07/12/2007 12:00:54 AM
    Question: Hey Brad, I'm looking at a new trail/xc bike that can do anything that the super-rooty trails of NC can offer. I've been looking at the Prophet and Rush pretty hard lately, but do you think it would be worth it to wait for the new 130mm mystery bike? I'm looking in the 2k price range, so if it's a pricey carbon I'll steer clear. Also, if it's August before it comes out, I'll be sorely disappointed. What do you think?

    Response: Steven, You can probably expect to see the new 130 bike well before August, “my guess is April/May” but I don’t have an exact date yet. On that thought I don’t have pricing yet either. So if your not in need of a bike “right now” it’s probably worth waiting, but on the other hand there are probably some good deals out there as it’s the end of the season, and bikes shops are usually closing stuff out. Ride on, BRAD

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