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    Undisclosed damage. What would you do?

    I just bought an '07 Team Scalpel on this site and the seller said it was "perfect". I said, to me, that means no dents, etc. He said nothing further. As I was unpacking the bike, I found two small dents on the underside of the downtube, obviously caused by hitting a rock or something. I hate dents, and would never have bought the bike had I known they were there. I know it's a mountain bike and dents are common, but the fact he said it was "perfect" was misleading. I know if I was selling a bike, my damn conscience wouldn't allow me to slide on something like that. I feel he should take the bike back or refund something to offset the damage done to resale value.I think I paid pretty much top dollar $3100 for the bike, but that was under the assumtion that it was "perfect" Would appreciate some advice on this. Thanks
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    Holy mother of God!

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    What the heck does that mean?

    You think I'm being unreasonable or?

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    rhafe it means that 29Colossus doesnt have the same opinion as you. Of which I am with you, as you stated, it is nto so much the dent, it is the fact that being told a frame or bike is perfect, does not mean there is dents... Saying something is perfect actually means in my book it would be blemish free....

    However I struggle to see that 29Colossus would purchase a PERFECT brand new bike with a ding in the down tube like that...

    I am with you, I think you have been misled, which sucks the big kumara.... And 3100 USD is nothing to sniff at, thats top dollar for a second hand steed...
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    Thanks Whafe...

    for the support. I know the dents won't affect the ride or anything it's just they idea of being deceived, intentionally or not, that irks me. Besides, the bike was dirty when it arrived, which didn't help my mood any.Wouldn't you expect a bike to be clean when you buy it? I don't know, the guy seemed okay, when I talked to him on the phone before. Maybe he just didn't think the dents were worth mentioning....

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    well that stinks more, a dirty steed.... Me dont care, 3.1K USD and the bike comes dirty irks the fock out of me, feel for ya.....
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    I totally get what you mean, rhafe... this sucks BIG balls......

    definitely let the seller know how you feel about it.... if he is remotely decent he will try to at least come to an agreement

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    I asked him..

    to take the bike back or refund $300 (fair?) to offset the loss of value the dents caused. I'm not sure that's enough, but I could live with that. I dont know if he'll go for either option, but we'll see. Boy, I hate dealing with this kind of thing!

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    Well, now you have his address... Do you have a baseball bat?

    Seriously, I'm with you on that one. Unless he never cleaned the bike and it was so dirty that he never saw the dent (yeah right), this guy is clearly dishonest (and I really hate dishonest people). I would let the seller know about the issue, see how he deals with it...

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    I assume you checked the box to verify the damage was not caused during shipping.

    Can you post a link to the original ad?

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    Definitely not caused in shipping...

    The box was intact and the dents were filled with and surrounded by scratches like a rock would cause. The shifter cable was also frayed at the exact same spot like it was pinched at the same time. Here's a link to the ad - note the first sentence of the description.
    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...=13133&cat=all

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    Take it to a local Cann dealer and get estimate for a repair in writing. Yeah, this comes down to a new frame minus may be some resale value that LBS can sell the frame for.

    Present this to the seller and ask for:

    - $$$ for the repair or
    - $$ for the shipping bike back + full refund.

    Have this all in written. May be a certified letter as well. Take him to a small court if he gives you any trouble and feel free to invite him to this thread.

    Yet another example of a saying "People are generally (good) bad"

    This STINKS!!!!


    You already know that but this guy registered with mtbr to sell this dented bike!

    http://forums.mtbr.com/member.php?u=358825 lesson learned hard way and seeing this you need all the luck to get this fixed. Helpfully you have his real name and addr.

    Also you can contact post office and file a mail fraud (I have never done that).

    How did you pay for it???? Paypal? Contact paypal as well and file a claim.
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    If he doesn't refund you something...
    at least the dent is small. Put a Fox sticker on there and just forget about it.
    Thats what most of us do when our bike get scratches anyways. As long as structural integrity is not damaged.

    Nonetheless, sorry to hear about this.

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    I would be bummed, and put the ball in his court. Sounds like this may be monday morning quarterbacking at this point, but as a seller, I know that peoples opinions will vary, and I never assume that something I state as great condition, will not meet with every buyers version of that.

    That said, if I get a note saying give me $X or I'll send it back, get's my extortion finger itching. However, a note explaining the nature of what they found, how would I like to handle this? All in a civilized manner, leaving it up to me, to either make them happy, or take it back. More often than not, I'd be mortified, and most likely give more than they even wanted, or just take it back to make the whole thing just go away.

    But that's just me, Good luck, and yeah, just put a sticker on it if you keep it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    However I struggle to see that 29Colossus would purchase a PERFECT brand new bike with a ding in the down tube like that...
    I'm afraid your assumptions are incorrect. It is amazing the ideas that come from 4 words.

    I HATE dents. I would have the bike in the Escalade, and I would be travelling to the seller's residence right now. I would leave with NOTHING short of a FULL refund including shipping.

    I also HATE liars. That is what you have here. A LIAR. I can't stand that crap. Dented bike. Lies. It is enough to make my head spin with the dangerous possibilities of jail time and broken bones.

    Hence the.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    All in a civilized manner, leaving it up to me, to either make them happy, or take it back.
    You are not quite serious? I am assuming you are not as you do not ship dented frames as in this case? This guys can care less about civilized manners IMO. He knew he is going to screw the buyer!

    But yes, in general I am all for civilized manners. ;-)
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    Maybe he just didn't know it was there. How long has it been since you contacted him? Don't tell me you brought it here before you tried to settle it in private. Maybe it is you who is being unreasonable.

    Personally, I really don't think that dent is worth $300. Maybe $100.

    I just bought a Rush. I got a great deal in it(07 Rush 3Z for $1100 Shipped), and it came in a little dirty. It didn't bother me. With the energy you have wasted on here complaining about it you could have cleaned it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    You are not quite serious? I am assuming you are not as you do not ship dented frames as in this case? This guys can care less about civilized manners IMO. He knew he is going to screw the buyer!

    But yes, in general I am all for civilized manners. ;-)

    I was serious. But, in interest of clarification, if I were to sell/ship a dented frame, I'd certainly indicate any known damage. That said, I have sent out bikes before, only to have the buyer contact me, upset that bolts had surface rust, chains were not clean, drivetrain had wear, etc, etc, etc. They bought a used bike, certain things should be assumed in those cases. I am not attempting to have any knowledge of this particular situation, but even then, I would allow the seller a first attempt to make it right at their discretion. If I were they, I'd be shocked that I hadn't seen the damage, and knock a quick several hundred off, quite possibly more than the requested amount. Just let guilt do the banking for you, that's all, tell them how much you want, to be happy, and you'll never get a dime more! Again, the possibility of a full refund and return, is always in the background as far as I'm concerned....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black96Z
    How long has it been since you contacted him? Don't tell me you brought it here before you tried to settle it in private. Maybe it is you who is being unreasonable. With the energy you have wasted on here complaining about it you could have cleaned it already.
    You don't have a very successful day, do you? Who or what made you so mad? Just tell us...we are trained professionals and can help you.
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    I had a similar problem with a bike I bought a while back. The seller didin't do a good job packing it,and the rear wheel dug into the frame,causing horrible,very noticeable damage. I email the guy,asking why he didn't pack the bike right, and asking for a partial credit. The guy replied that the was mortified,and promptly paid up.You do get more bees with honey,so give that a try first.-Danny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black96Z
    With the energy you have wasted on here complaining about it you could have cleaned it already.
    Cleaned it?

    Cleaned the dent?

    Does Simple Green remove dents?

    NO. IT DOESN'T.

    Please pay attention. The "PERFECT CONDITION" bike has a nice DENT in the downtube.

    So maybe you think it is a, "perfect dent"? I guess it doesn't matter. He can just clean the dent away.

    Nice thinkin'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 29Colossus
    Cleaned it?

    Cleaned the dent?

    Does Simple Green remove dents?

    NO. IT DOESN'T.

    Please pay attention. The "PERFECT CONDITION" bike has a nice DENT in the downtube.

    So maybe you think it is a, "perfect dent"? I guess it doesn't matter. He can just clean the dent away.

    Nice thinkin'.

    Why don't you read the whole post...

    RHAFE said "Besides, the bike was dirty when it arrived, which didn't help my mood any.Wouldn't you expect a bike to be clean when you buy it?"

    Thats what I was talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black96Z
    Why don't you read the whole post...

    RHAFE said "Besides, the bike was dirty when it arrived, which didn't help my mood any.Wouldn't you expect a bike to be clean when you buy it?"

    Thats what I was talking about.
    The PROBLEM is the DENT!

    The dirt is not the problem. READ IT. You are not right. This is NOT rocket science. The PERFECT CONDITION bike was NOT perfect. It has a big DENT in it.

    Dirt? Cleaning? Jeeeessssus. Ridiculous.

    We are focused on the dent here, not the dirt OK. The DENT is the issue, OK? Not the dirt. The dirt didn't help his mood, and it can be cleaned at ANY TIME. The DENT is the actual PROBLEM here, OK? The dent can't be cleaned up.

    Stop trying to obfuscate the issue here. You can't do it. I am a pro, OK. You are not a pro, OK?


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    Quote Originally Posted by speedmetal
    The guy replied that he was mortified,and promptly paid up.
    My point exactly, most people in general, and an even larger percentage of cyclists, really just want to get by in the world, not try to be jerks.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29Colossus
    I am a pro, OK. You are not a pro, OK?
    Cool, that's been settled at least.....
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    You can't really blame the seller though....
    In his ad he also said that the bike will be boxed and shipped by his local bike shop....maybe they went for a ride on it, caused the dent and then just packed it.
    That's exactly what he'll tell you. Or maybe he'll blame you.
    Anyhow, if I sell something on eBay I always make it shine.....I hate it when seller's don't even clean their $hit and say it's in a mint condition..
    Even if something is brandnew you can't say it's PERFECT if it's dirty.
    As far as the dent goes though....it's really small and located where you can't really see it.
    You are upset and I'd be too...but after all you saved more than $2,000.- compared to a new bike and that's worth a little dent.
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    thats bull, get your money back!!! nothing less should be excepted...rhafe check pm i sent you a pm

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    I think he should be allowed to return it, no question asked, if he thinks that it is not worth the price he paid considering that it is:

    a) a used bike
    b) no warranty
    c) has a dent

    IF! (big IF) he reported it to the seller immediately after he got it so there was no chance to put it together, take it for a spin and dent it.

    Who dented it is not his concern but the sellers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozvena
    I think he should be allowed to return it, no question asked, if he thinks that it is not worth the price he paid considering that it is:

    a) a used bike
    b) no warranty
    c) has a dent

    IF! (big IF) he reported it to the seller immediately after he got it so there was no chance to put it together, take it for a spin and dent it.

    Who dented it is not his concern but the sellers.
    True.
    I just meant me, personally wouldn't mind the dent and it's going to be hard to get the money back from this guy if he knew about it.
    I would've called or e-mailed immediately upon arrival and seeing the damage to see what the seller has to say about it.
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    We are working on a deal now.

    I might get a few bucks back and let it go at that. We'll see. Thanks to all for your input.

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    29Colossus - HUGE apology on my part for assuming what you meant in your reply, not good form on my part, for that am sorry..............

    Do hope rhafe gets this issue of lack of integrity sorted....
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    I lost...

    I had filed a pending dispute with paypal, for return of the bike or $300 refund from the seller. I spoke to him first and he offered somewhere between 100 and 300, so I said I'd settle for a $200 refund and the new shifter cables he promised and never sent. I was waiting for his response and got a message later from paypal that he went through them and refused my counter offer. I guess Paypal decided that he didn't owe me anything,in their opinion, so they closed the case. I guess I got screwed after all. So it goes......

    (As it turns out Paypal won't do anything about my type of claim?)

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    Did you pay paypla with CC? If yes, then open a dispute with CC. I am not sure if this is going to work but worth to try.

    Also why don't you try to file for a mail fraud with USPS?

    Also why don't you try to file for an internet fraud here fraud.org?

    This is the reason not to use paypal (http://www.paypalsucks.com/ read it ...get $$$$ back).
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    rhafe, that stinks.... The more crap I hear of PayPal the more i will not use it.... My first reaction is to flame the prat that did this starting with his lack of integrity..

    So now you were also told new shifter cables would be sent and these were not...

    I would see if he is going to refund you outside of PayPal, then if he does, all good, if he doesnt. This guy will get what he deserves, the karma bus may come his way in many forms.............. &&/$(/·/(="·&=(/$&(=/"$&
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhafe
    I had filed a pending dispute with paypal, for return of the bike or $300 refund from the seller. I spoke to him first and he offered somewhere between 100 and 300, so I said I'd settle for a $200 refund and the new shifter cables he promised and never sent. I was waiting for his response and got a message later from paypal that he went through them and refused my counter offer. I guess Paypal decided that he didn't owe me anything,in their opinion, so they closed the case. I guess I got screwed after all. So it goes......

    (As it turns out Paypal won't do anything about my type of claim?)
    Call him back and tell him you still want the $200 and shifter cables. I would hope he will still honor the agreement. It doesn't look like there are too many B Perry's in Sandy UT, especially one that is a road racer. If he won't pay up, I would start by calling his sponsors.

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    Bummer, I'd have gotten PayPal involved, after he turned into a dork about it, but this has all been hashed out already, good luck!
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    If you don't get this settled make sure you leave feedback for his seller ratings on MTBR and take it up with MTBR. That's utter crap, to state "perfect condition". Do as said and take it in to a C'dale dealer and let them check it out and if anything take him to small claims court.
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    I don't understand why paypal just closed the case! After all you have not received the item in the advertised condition, so I'd raise hell with them!
    Call paypal and ask for an explanation and then if the seller still refuses to take the bike back or at least the promised settlement go and file for fraud....
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    Likely because paypal/ebay wants you go through ebay to collect another 5% from the sale. If you don't they can't help. That 5% is like an insurance premium.

    Also there is a thing with confirmed address where they force you to for them to have access to your bank account. If you do not obey their quite smart money making rules they are not going to help you. You can kind of understand, they can't really verify the ad at mtbr to see whether the seller mentioned the damage or not. Also they know nothing about this guy, seller and buyer. Why would they get involved? It is sad but reality.

    If you are sending 3k via paypal you better hire a lawyer to help you understand this: http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr.../terms-outside

    Save on the legal fees, you know now that it is not a good idea to get involved in such transactions.

    As much as I like ebay/paypal, I use them and think they are smart in what they are doing, on another hand I have problems with how they do certain things. Oh well...one of those things you don't like it then do not use it.
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    Evidently, although "item significantly different from described" is one

    of the options available for filing a claim ( which, to me, perfect / dented would qualify), somewhere in the fine print it reads- "PayPal’s Buyer Complaint Policy only applies to the shipment of goods, not to disputes about the attributes or quality of the goods received". I'm not stupid, and had I seen this, of course I would have never bothered to open the case to begin with. Evidently the seller found out and realized he was off the hook, at least as far as Paypal was concerned. So, although I still feel like I was ripped off to some degree, I'm a little tired off the mess and will probably just back off. I did just get back from a nice road ride and that helped a lot. Thanks to all and ride safe.

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    I have filed couple of claims under "item significantly different from described" and always got my $$ back. But that was for ebay purchases and all under $100 per a claim.
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    I fail to see how any dent in thin-wall aluminum tubing is not structural. I'd be concerned about riding a dented aluminum bike. I've specifically not purchased quite a few bikes off E-Bay, even at great prices, because of dents.

    Even little ones.
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    Hopefully OP doesn't plan to use it for AM...for XC it can be fine but it depends on the actual damage which doesn't seem to be too bad on the picture and I am not trying in anyway minimizing the issue.
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    I feel like RiskEverything....

    and i tried to convey that to the seller. I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT THE BIKE IF I HAD KNOWN THERE WAS A DENT IN IT! Of course, he was probably smart enough to know that's true with a lot if not most people, which is probably why he didn't mention it. Must have really been desparate for the money........

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhafe
    You think I'm being unreasonable or?
    I would be pissed. It is not the dents themselves that bother me. I have happily bought frames with dents and saved money. I do however want to get what I paid for. If I pay top dollar for no dents - then that is what I expect to receive. Each purchase is a business contract and you agreed to a price based on the description. The description was false, they are being fraudulent. I would want either some dinero back for compensation (although it might be tough to reach a price both parties feel is fair and I'd be leary of them because of the fraudulent behavior) or return the frame for a full refund. If you used paypal you might open a dispute and get some money back that way. I have been partially rembursemed for a product not sent.

    Good Luck,

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    This is not a lost case. It would take your energy and little money to fight it but you will win...I would love this crook to appear in court responding to fraud.
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    That sucks! This guy should have stood by his word. At least contact him and ask him to pay up what he agreed on.Well, I guess its all "live and learn". I say, ride the heck out of that bike! It should still be strong enough to last through many a season.

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    I asked for a $300 refund....

    and the shifter cables he promised,which I thought was fair. He said he only had $100 and could we agree to something in between. I reluctantly said I'd take $200 and he said he didn't want to borrow any money,so, would $100 and the cables "make me happy? I replied that I'd be a fool to say that would make me "happy". So, maybe I should have taken the $100, but to me, that would have been a sell out.

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    Wow, so he already spent your $xxxx? Big spender is this boy.
    What do I know, ask the "experts"!

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    Expose this scammer here !

    Tell us who he is , so everybody knows what a AXXHAT he is.

    Name , handle , hometown , zip code , the more info , the better.

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