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    Trigger 29er First Ride Report

    Don't know where to start, so much awesomeness, suffice it to say Cannondale nailed it with this bike. LOVE this thing, totally worth the wait (I ordered in August, got it two weeks ago, and only today got to take it for its maiden ride). The "reviews" forums don't have the Trigger 29 listed yet, so I figured I'd post up here.

    How I decided on the Trigger 29'er 2:
    I ride the Northeast, typically on very technical trails with decent mix of climbing and descending. My main criterion were: 125-135mm travel, 34mm Fox fork, lifeftime frame warranty, low standover, 13.5" or so BB height. The warranty aspect was key, as I've cracked a few boutique frames before and had to re-up on my dime. That left Specialized, Giant, Trek/Fisher and a handful of others. I'd had three C'dales in the past, and all were excellent, no frame issues and the problems I did have (Headshok, what else? ) were taken care of with no fuss. The spec on the C'dale won me over vs the comparable models from the other large brands, particularly the Fox 34 and the DYAD shock.

    Setting it up
    I'm 6' 3", 205 on the bathroom scale. Bought an XL. Cockpit was too short when I picked it up (stem too short, bars not high enough, and seat post (straight) couldn't get the saddle far back enough. LBS set me up with a layback post, longer stem and higher rise bars.

    I set up the Fork @ 85 psi. For the rear DYAD, I ended up bumping the pressure to the next bracket up (for riders weighing 220). I set the rebound on both front and rear to a couple clicks from full fast. Both front and rear settings were on the money for my first ride. Beginners luck, I guess. You'll definitely need to make sure your LBS gives you the C'dale pump that comes with the bike. The rear shock pressures (+ and -) are 300-350 for my weight. And you'll want to make sure the pump's collar is screwed as tight onto the valve as possible when inflating, or your readings will be way off. It's an extra long collar, I assume to handle the extreme pressures.

    The Ride
    In the 80mm mode, the bike has a nice firm but supple feel to it. No wallowing like some single pivot designs I've ridden/owned. Square edged hits are nicely muted, and acceleration is very good. I found myself riding 1 (occasionally 2) gears taller than on my previous bike on extended climbs in the granny.

    The 130mm mode is extremely compliant, but controlled. No wallow, no dramatic articulation. Even in the bigger rocky sections, no pedal strike. When descending in 130mm mode, with the Fox 34 set at "descend" i found myself going MUCH faster downhill than I'm used to, and had to reign things in before I got in over my head. I'm not a speed freak by any stretch, but I was amazed at the feeling of control and composure this bike has.

    Composed is probably the best adjective I can think of for the Trigger 29er. Between the thru-axles front and rear, the 34mm fork, the beefy frame and pivots, the bike fells like "one" unit, as opposed to a frame with a bunch of parts bolted on to it.

    The Hans Dampfs were spectacular. My first ride was on a 20 degree day, with frozen rutted sections and a dusting of snow that hid the icy sections and coated the roots and rocks. Tricky to say the least. The HD's hooked up and cornered much better than the Nevegals and Rampages I'm used to (and I still consider those great tires).

    The Maguras worked great...nice modulation, no squeal or howl. The X9 rear derailleur clutch feature was sweet. No slap, hard to imagine going back to a non-clutch mech.

    Nits
    • -The bashguard and the 36T chainring (with chain on it) are the same diameter, causing the chain to be more exposed to logs/rocks than I'd like.
    • -My chicken legs would prefer a 30 or 32T instead of 36, which is a bit tall for me given the trails I ride.
    • -My XL came with a 350mm long seatpost, which was at max extension for me at my seat height before my LBS swamped in a 400mm layback. Anyone taller would have an issue. The L and XL should come with 400mm posts.
    • -Stem selection is not good right now. Either 5 degree or 20. This should improve over time if more manufacturers move toward the 1.5 steer tube size, but the likelihood of that is subject to debate I guess.
    • -The WTB volt saddle is a bit minimalist even for my skinny rear end. Going to give it a bit more time before I decide whether to replace with a slightly wider design.
    • -The remote lever gets in the way of the upper bolt for the brake/shifter perch, so it takes a bit of fiddling to get your shifter/brake/remote set up right.


    I ordered this bike after considering Tallboy LT, SB-95, Evolve SST, Stumpy, El Cap and a few others. The lifetime warranty negated many of these choices, and the parts spec for the price also worked in the Trigger's favor...I would have had to spend about a G more on the boutique brands to get what I wanted. Having ordered it in August (before the Eurobike reveal), of course I couldn't test ride it, so 'twas a bit of a gamble. But as any gambler knows, sometimes you come out on top. This bike truly is tops.


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    I'm ordering a Trigger 29er 2. Your post makes me happy. Where do ride? I am in NJ and ride from Fairhill to Clayton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrothmel View Post
    I'm ordering a Trigger 29er 2. Your post makes me happy. Where do ride? I am in NJ and ride from Fairhill to Clayton.
    Good call, and congrats! I am in northern NJ, so I typically ride Wawayanda, Ringwood, Jungle Habitat, Mahlon. I haven't ridden Clayton in years, but do find my way central or south from time to time (Allaire, Six Mile, etc). What shop are you buying your T29 from ? I went through Halters in Monmouth Junction. Awesome shop. Jason's the man. Post up when you get 'er.

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    Lbs

    My local bike shop is Mt. Holly Bike Shop in Mt. Holly. They have been great. Working on my Rush 7 for four years. That's why I'm sticking with Cannondale. The Rush has logged lots of miles and keeps on going.

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    whoa, I thought the Trigger was 26" wheel only
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    Great write up. How much does it weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelfunman View Post
    whoa, I thought the Trigger was 26" wheel only
    They first introduced the 26" Triggers, then a little later introduced the 29er with alloy frames. Eventually, there should also be some carbon 29ers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MC9.5 View Post
    Great write up. How much does it weigh?
    Thanks. It's 31 lbs not including Time ATAC pedals give or take 1/2 lb (my scale only goes in digital 1/2 lb increments).

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    Awesome bike and a great review

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    [*]-Stem selection is not good right now. Either 5 degree or 20. This should improve over time if more manufacturers move toward the 1.5 steer tube size, but the likelihood of that is subject to debate I guess.
    Do this bike come with a straight 1.5" steerer Fox 34? I thought it was a regular tapered Fox34. That's interesting.

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    How does it compare to the RIP 9?

    Sheesh, you've owned a lot of bikes...

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    Savo: Yes, straight 1.5" steer tube...super stiff (but stem selection tough at moment).

    Flucod: Congrats on your new bike! LBS suggested I spring for the Lefty but it was out of my range. Agree with all your comments. While of the bikes you list I've only had a pre-2012 Ventana (great stiffness and traction, but wallowy rear), I can also say that I've had experience with FSR bikes (e.g. Specialized 29'ers, Intense 26") and I much prefer the Trigger.

    Here are some action shots from a ride we took last weekend.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    That place place looks fun and perfect for the bike. Still cannot believe how well the bike tracks.

    I swapped out the stock stem for a TruVativ AKA in 100mm.

    Did you keep the stock stem?
    I swapped the 80mm that came with it for a 100mm C'dale stem. Had to install 40mm risers to get the front end up a bit for me.

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    got my new trigger 29er2

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    I swapped the 80mm that came with it for a 100mm C'dale stem. Had to install 40mm risers to get the front end up a bit for me.
    My LBS is putting my new Trigger 29er 2 together out of the box. The bike is beautiful. Small frame for my neandrathal build. I am very impressed that it seems to have smaller wheel base than other 29ers. Will finish build on Saturday and hope to do first ride on Sunday. I tell my wife she's my new girlfriend.

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    Took my Trigger 29er 2 on its maiden voyage today. For those familiar with South Jersey we rode Camden County College. (I'm 53 years old, 54 in April). The most noticible improvement over the Rush 7 26er is the climbing. First, its lighter than the Rush. Second, with the big wheels I go right over obstacles like roots and logs that would have stopped the 26 inch Rush in its tracks. This bike destroys the myth that 29 ers don't climb as well as 26ers. This one climbs better. Also, unlike other 29ers I have tried, the Trigger 29er steers like a bike, not like a bus. Going through twistys and trees was a breeze. Coupled with the big wheels, went over roots at slow speeds around curves no problem. The bike is unstoppable. I did take down hills more agressively, although nothing in Camden County College that counts as a long descent. Plus, you guys have to remember, I'm 53, not 23. However, I am in good shape. That's why I appreciate the ease with which the bike takes you up hill.

    On another note, set up of shock was a cinch with the instructions and the pump they give you. All in all, I am very happy. If the weather cooperates, we are doing Brandywine Park in DE next week. That area will be the rock garden test.

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    Congrats on the new T29-2! Glad you enjoyed your first ride. Come up to Norther NJ sometime and I'd be happy to show you around. The pics above were from Wawayanda St park...lotsa rocks! perfect for this kind of bike.

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    Invitation to North Jersey

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Congrats on the new T29-2! Glad you enjoyed your first ride. Come up to Norther NJ sometime and I'd be happy to show you around. The pics above were from Wawayanda St park...lotsa rocks! perfect for this kind of bike.
    Thanks for the invitation. Waywayanda looks like over a two hours from Mt. Holly. Maybe some place closer. I'm in Mt. Holly. Would not mind meeting in the middle somewhere between our locations.

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    Trigger 29er First Ride Report

    [QUOTE=mrothmel;10189329] (I'm 53 years old, 54 in April). All in all, I am very happy. /QUOTE]

    Nice. Happy trails.

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    I weigh 165 pounds and am trying to get the air pressure on the front fork right on Trigger 29er 2. I was at 70 pounds and that is too low. I am going to try 90 pounds. Any opinions out there on the right pressure for front fork on Trigger 29er 2 (Fox Float 34 CTD)

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    First major ride on the new bike. I'm going to name her "beer goggles" because the bike inspires confidence and makes you do what you normally would not do. We rode Brandywine Park in Wilmington DE. 583 feet of elevation gain. Climbed great. I descended faster than I ever have in my life. Lots of fun. The conditions were not the best, freezing temp, no sun 15 mph + winds; a bit muddy, just enough to make it more difficult. I appreciated the front lock out (climb mode) on the front fork as it let you stand up and peddle when you had to. More aggressive on the rock gardens than usual, but still walked some. I love the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Attachment 768198

    Just picked up the Trigger 29 1 last week. Have to say I think it is the best long travel 29er I have had. Absolutely love the quick adjust from 130 to 80. Previously had a RIP 9, Ventana, Turner Sultan, Trek Rumblefish. This bike is on entire different level then any of those.
    good to know. what size is that in the pic?

    how did the crests feel? not flexy?

    thx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    good to know. what size is that in the pic?

    how did the crests feel? not flexy?

    thx,
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    Size is a large, have now swapped out the seatpost with a GD and installed a 95mm Thomson stem. Wheels do not feel flexy at all, the Max and frame are so stiff you do not notice. I am going to get some new wheels soon though. Had to true the rear 2 times already. They are not meant for what I am doing with it, knew that going in though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrothmel View Post
    I weigh 165 pounds and am trying to get the air pressure on the front fork right on Trigger 29er 2. I was at 70 pounds and that is too low. I am going to try 90 pounds. Any opinions out there on the right pressure for front fork on Trigger 29er 2 (Fox Float 34 CTD)
    I'm 200 and change. I run the Fox 34 at 85-90 and it's perfect. roughly 25% sag, consistent with Flucod's recommendation....

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    Bugeye - what's your inseam length, e.g. measured from floor to top of a book between your crotch, standing against a wall in bare feet?

    Flucod - same question.

    I'm about 6'2" with a 34" inseam (slightly longer torso relative to legs). I went for a Large trigger 29er. The geometry measurements are very similar to my previous Rize Large (aside from ST/HT angles). From what people are saying, I'm probably good to have ordered the large, but likely going to have to put a longer stem on (or wider bars).

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    Quote Originally Posted by runbaileyrun View Post
    Bugeye - what's your inseam length, e.g. measured from floor to top of a book between your crotch, standing against a wall in bare feet?
    I'm 35" inseam as per the measurements you specify above. I'm 6'3". The XL fit perfectly as a frame, but as in my earlier post I found the seatpost too short by 50mm and the stem too short by 20mm. Bars were plenty wide, but I wanted more rise, so I swapped for a 40mm rise. The XL stem was 80mm long...I suspect the L will be 70mm...I think you'll find the stem a bit short.

    Definitely have your LBS get you a 400mm post...even if the 350 gets you to where you want your saddle, there will likely not be enough insertion depth....there's a lot of leverage on that small triangle near the seat clamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    My inseam is 32" and I am 6" even. I would think you would need an XL with those measurements.
    that's what I was thinking.

    at 5 11 with a 33 inch inseam, I'm now leaning to L.

    Reach is shorter on the M cannonale then the M specialized I was comparing it to. The L falls almost right between the M and L speicialized in Reach.

    I'm leaning away from the intense spider comp 29 now, and toward this one, saving cash and maintaining my cdale loyalty is sounding good at the moment, just need to figure sizing.

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    I was thinking exactly the same when I was trying to decide between a Cannondale F29 Carbon or Specialized Stumpjumper. The Cannondale L reach was a bit shorter than for the Specialized L. I'm 180 cm, 87 cm inseam. The L Cannondale fits perfectly.

    I know it's not the Trigger, but still.

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    Those specialized 29ers are loooong tanks.

    Have any of you tried Niner bikes? The RIP9 stack and reach is almost identical to the Trigger 29er in the large size. Niner says large is for riders up to 6'3".

    I've been back and forth between the L and XL, and in the end probably feel I'm in the middle of the two and could go either way. I'm hoping that the old adage, best to go down a size for a more 'flickable' ride, will work for me especially being a 29er.

    You are likely right that a 70mm stem could be a touch short, although I'm hoping going from 680mm wide bars and 110mm stem to 740mm bars will counter some of that stem length decrease.

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    ^^^ These are the wheels that came with the bike not more than a month ago???

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    To be honest, I am done with Shimano hubs...I have them on a few of my older bikes, but I've replaced the freehub bodies more times than I can count...either the pawls break, or the hub itself explodes. This is across the Deore, LX and XT spectrum. Sad to see you SLX in a similar state. Too bad they don't make them like they used to (a buddy has an XT 7speed hub from 1989 and the sucker is still going strong. Another buddy has an XT 6 speed from 1987 and that too is still working like a champ.

    My newer bikes (Trigger and Mukluk) come with Formula hubs...here's hoping I have better luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    I had a RIP 9 and a Jet 9 for a couple of years. The Trigger Large is smaller then the RIP Large.
    How is that? The Trigger L has a reach of 437mm, the RIP9 L is 425. That's half the difference between the Trigger L and XL.

    You are right about the Jet9, it has a reach a bit longer than the Trigger, 444mm for the L, but that is expected since it is a XC bike and you want a longer TT compared to an AM ride.

    That is pretty crazy about the XT hubs. I've never seen that before with Shimano.

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    Had trigger 1 out for two rides over the weekend, both technical one more drop/air focused the other pedally tech.

    Ride 1: 3 odd hour ride at Ninham in Carmel, NY (techy trail riding)
    -solid climber, quick bike/"zippy"
    -Vs. my Sultan the shorter stays make front end more poppy to manual and zip zoom
    -I'm 6'2'' and the xfusion dropper doesn't get far enough outta the way for super steeps/big rollers/kicker type drops
    -Cracked the SRAM Cassette at 5th cog, everything was torque checked before ride (XTR with 36t spread on the way)
    -130/80 mm is nice on the climbs
    -Some suspension tweaks... not plush

    Ride 2: 1 hour at Wilton Woods in CT... more Stuntery/air and skinny focused ride with sessioning vs. pedaling
    -Not a fan of the XT... may cut out and go with a King or DT240s with ratchet
    -HTA feels steep vs. my sultan, especially in the air at launch
    -Still trying to get suspension to feel poppy and plush... maybe break in? Also the pump drops like 10-30psi taking it off (grease the pump valve)

    Thus far, very happy and to be honest, I'm pleasantly surprised.

    Lefty is hecka stiff (245lbs w/out gear)... Crest seem okay.

    My gripe with sultan was ability to "drop" the bars to ground in a turn and snap out of corner, Trigger is nice and zippy through corners.

    Thoughts on what I need to do...
    - Better rear hub (engagement for log rides/rock garden maneuvers)
    - Minion DHF 2.5 when it comes to get another degree of slack up front
    - Slam stem
    - Possibly off load xfusion and get KS Lev 150
    - Carbon Bars
    - XTR cranks 32t w/guide to go 1x10.

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    I got my Trigger 29er-1 yesterday. Unfortunately we also got another 6" of snow yesterday. On the good side I am heading to NC in one week to ride all the trails down there. Can't wait to try it out.

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    ^^Congrats!

    Update now that I've had a few more rides on the T29-2:

    + Have begin using the 130mm mode more when climbing nasty rock gardens. Amazingly compliant and effective. I now only use 80mm when climbing smoother sections of trail.

    + I swapped out the 36T for a 32. Much more forgiving on my chicken legs, plus no more risking chain damage (see original post...36T bash didn't give much chain protection when chain was on 36T ring).

    - Hans Dampfs: Being spring and all, I occasionally encounter some softer/damp sections of trail. I've found the HD's don't shed mud as effectively as Nevegals and other tires with wider-spaced knobs.

    - The cable boss/stop for the front derailleur positions the end of the cable/ferrule upward directly in line of water/dirt spray from the tire. Could use some form of rubber grommet or guard. Sure, we all have to replace this cable and housing eventually, but me thinks on the Trigger we'll be doing it more often.

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    Got the Trigger-1 all set up today, suspension, seat position, remote dropper seat post controller, XT pedals, adjusted shifting and brakes. Still covered with snow here but I am packing up for Saturdays trip to NC. My first ride will be there with my son in law.

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    Trigger 29er First Ride Report

    Fusion hilo is too short, moving to a reverb with 125mm.

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    First ride was at Fisher Farm in NC. Small trail system, nothing too difficult but a good place to check out a new bike. I think I am going to love this bike. The extra travel from my Superfly is much appreciated and I tested it on a couple of berm jumps that I got about 4' of air off. The bike climbs great and goes down hill even better. I will do some minor tweaking but this is my new favorite bike. Here is a short video. My son in law is on my Superfly with my gopro.

    I Pulled The Trigger - YouTube

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    Please, would you write the real weights and sizes of your bikes?
    Thanks a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tassburr View Post
    Please, would you write the real weights and sizes of your bikes?
    Thanks a lot!
    I am 6' tall with a 32" inseam. Riding a Large frame. I changed out the 85mm stem to a 110mm because of my extra long torso. I have not weighed it but it is surely below 30#.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I am 6' tall with a 32" inseam. Riding a Large frame. I changed out the 85mm stem to a 110mm because of my extra long torso. I have not weighed it but it is surely below 30#.
    Thank you!!
    Please, keep me informed if you get the exact weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    My stock Large was 32lbs. Have changed the stem, bars, wheels, saddle, seatpost and now it weighs 31.49. It does pedal and ride with a lighter feel though.
    Is yours a 1 or 2?

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    Heights make me laugh

    I had to laugh at everyone's description of height and inseam. i have a 29" inseam and I am 5'4" on a good day. My LBS had to cut 2" off the seat post so my feet could reach the pedals.



    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    that's what I was thinking.

    at 5 11 with a 33 inch inseam, I'm now leaning to L.

    Reach is shorter on the M cannonale then the M specialized I was comparing it to. The L falls almost right between the M and L speicialized in Reach.

    I'm leaning away from the intense spider comp 29 now, and toward this one, saving cash and maintaining my cdale loyalty is sounding good at the moment, just need to figure sizing.

    thx,
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm a Cannondale fan boy. But I can't work out why anyone would buy a Trigger over a Bronson...
    and no, I am not missing the other half of my fork....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Completely agree with the first point on the 130mm mode.

    Agree with the second as well.

    The Hans Danfs I thought were the worse tire I have ever used. Would roll like crap, could not hold a line in a corner and would slip under small loads climbing. Was running 28-26psi. Changed the pressure to 20-22psi and the tires now are absolutely incredible. I have never felt this much change in the tires with this little psi change. Love the tires now. Even at that pressure the casing does not allow the tire to come close to bottoming out.

    Also agree on point 4, fortunately I do not shift the front much
    Are you guy's riding tubeless. I turned mine tubeless in about 30 min. Every thing is better tubeless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Yep, since the beginning.
    I am about 190 right now and I am at 21 f & 22 r. Climbs and rolls well.

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    Nah, no tubeless for me....I'm old school....don't want to futz with the sealant, the need for a compressor to pump up the tires, etc. I run sub 30 as it is and rarely flat...plus if I gotta carry a tube anyway for emergencies.... But if I ever do see the light, at least my wheels are tubeless ready...

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    Trigger 29er First Ride Report

    650B is a compromise Willis. Either shred with 26 or flow with the 9er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Nah, no tubeless for me....I'm old school....don't want to futz with the sealant, the need for a compressor to pump up the tires, etc. I run sub 30 as it is and rarely flat...plus if I gotta carry a tube anyway for emergencies.... But if I ever do see the light, at least my wheels are tubeless ready...
    If you go with the right tire and rim combo it's a simple deal. I have both my bikes set up with Stans Crest wheels and Shwalbe tires. I set them up myself in very short order and inflated with a hand pump. The ride is so much better at lower pressures. They also roll better and grip better. I have had many punctures seal immediately and have never been left flat. If it did happen I would just pop in a tube like usual to get home. The sealant has lasted an entire season without having to redo it. I just removed the tires from my Superfly and to my surprise the sealant was only slightly set up. I wiped them out and added new sealant then pumped them back up with the hand pump. I am completely sold on tubeless.

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    So I took the Trigger today to one of the most technical trails in my area of Northern NJ save for one*. It's a place I've ridden many times before on my prior FS bikes, usually with a respectable degree of success and an occasional dab or two...but more importantly with a few butterflies as I approach and attempt certain sections. Today, though, I found myself acing everything, and going quicker than I have before. Additionally, the amount of confidence I had in the sketchier bits was unlike anything else I've experienced before. No butterflies, just a huge amount of trust in the bike. So stiff, so composed. I simply cannot believe how well suited this bike is to the terrain I love to ride. No excuses for me anymore...if I'm having a tough time, it ain't because of the bike

    *I'm planning to return that this "one" soon after a few years' absence. Will post up (maybe even take pics ;-) when I do. Should be interesting.

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    Yay!! I got my Trigger 29er 1 today!!! I test rode one two Saturdays ago... I was so impressed that I ordered one the following Monday... and I got it today!!

    I haven't taken it for a ride yet (other than the demo on Cannondale's bike), but I have a few setup questions:

    1. Since I had my bike shipped to me, the seat remote wasn't setup yet. The cable is way too long, so I'll have to cut it down. But, I'm not positive about the cable routing. Would anyone be willing to describe or take a picture of cable routing?

    2. I downloaded the Cannondale app on my iPhone. It is not even close to what the owner's manual says the initial air pressure should be in the shock and the Lefty. I am about 205 (ok... no fat ass jokes), so I'm interested in what others are runing for pressures as compared to the manual's recommendations.

    3. What is a good starting point for rebound adjustment?



    I got a pair of HT AE01 platform pedals. Very cool. I'm very stoked. First ride with my bike will be tomorrow nite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_bo View Post
    Yay!! I got my Trigger 29er 1 today!!! I test rode one two Saturdays ago... I was so impressed that I ordered one the following Monday... and I got it today!!

    I haven't taken it for a ride yet (other than the demo on Cannondale's bike), but I have a few setup questions:

    1. Since I had my bike shipped to me, the seat remote wasn't setup yet. The cable is way too long, so I'll have to cut it down. But, I'm not positive about the cable routing. Would anyone be willing to describe or take a picture of cable routing?

    Yeah, you have to route the cable and housing then cut. I used the picture of the bike on their web site.

    2. I downloaded the Cannondale app on my iPhone. It is not even close to what the owner's manual says the initial air pressure should be in the shock and the Lefty. I am about 205 (ok... no fat ass jokes), so I'm interested in what others are runing for pressures as compared to the manual's recommendations.

    I went with the manual for a start. So far it feels good. I may increase the fork pressure a tad. I am about 190#.

    3. What is a good starting point for rebound adjustment?

    I started in the middle with all three. I am going to quicken the 80mm shock rebound slightly. The rest feels fine.

    I got a pair of HT AE01 platform pedals. Very cool. I'm very stoked. First ride with my bike will be tomorrow nite.
    Good luck. I love mine.

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    I guess I am a bit annoyed with the iPhone app. I don't see how they could have screwed it up the way they did. It was a convenient little tool. Screwing up something this simple really damages a company's reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_bo View Post
    I guess I am a bit annoyed with the iPhone app. I don't see how they could have screwed it up the way they did. It was a convenient little tool. Screwing up something this simple really damages a company's reputation.
    Wow, really? An iPhone app for a bike messes a company's reputation up?

    If you need an app to set up your bike, how do you shift and inflate your tires? If you lose the manual the website has it, if you can download an app you can download a manual...

    Sorry to be so sarcastic, but this is the silliest thing I've read in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Wow, really? An iPhone app for a bike messes a company's reputation up?

    If you need an app to set up your bike, how do you shift and inflate your tires? If you lose the manual the website has it, if you can download an app you can download a manual...

    Sorry to be so sarcastic, but this is the silliest thing I've read in a while.
    Don't be, you're quite right to be. It's a free app, it's not like you paid for it.

    At least they tried. A lot of users have reported that it was spot on for them. I'm sure it'll be patched in the future. I do t even use it, I just like having a Cannondale app hahaha
    and no, I am not missing the other half of my fork....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_bo View Post
    Yay!! I got my Trigger 29er 1 today!!!

    2. I downloaded the Cannondale app on my iPhone. It is not even close to what the owner's manual says the initial air pressure should be in the shock and the Lefty. I am about 205 (ok... no fat ass jokes), so I'm interested in what others are runing for pressures as compared to the manual's recommendations.

    3. What is a good starting point for rebound adjustment?
    First of all, congrats!

    For pressure: I am 205 as well. I set mine at the pressure indicated in the paper manual that came with the bike (yeah, old school, I know), but not for my weight. I set it for the next weight bracket up (heavier..as in 220 lbs). I found it perfect.

    As for rebound, I set it to 2 clicks from the fastest setting.

    May be beginner's luck, but these settings ended up being perfect from the get-go, so I've left them alone since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Wow, really? An iPhone app for a bike messes a company's reputation up?

    If you need an app to set up your bike, how do you shift and inflate your tires? If you lose the manual the website has it, if you can download an app you can download a manual...

    Sorry to be so sarcastic, but this is the silliest thing I've read in a while.

    Don't know that I would call that sarcastic or silly. I think you were just being a dick.

    I was making the point that the app has cannondales name on it. It should be a factory backed authoritative source... Just like the manual. So if the app is contradicted by the manual, which authoritative source is credible? I understand that suspension should be set to about 25% sag, but I think that cannondale would be better off publishing nothing rather than publishing contradictory data. By you theory, maybe I should just accept it if my 29er showed up with 26" wheels. After all, you can't rely on published data, right?

    If you can't see the importance for a company to publish consistent, accurate data... Then it may be you who would likely have problems putting air in your tires.


    Sorry to be so sarcastic, but that is the dickest thing I have read in a while.

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    Bugeye,

    Thanks for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
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    Trigger in the wild! Still freakin' love this bike!
    Nice photo's. Getting out today on mine.

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    So I went out with my bro today to the local trail. Now just to set the story I am a relative beginner having started mnt biking last year. I have cleaned every thing on this trail except a big log that sits half way up a steep incline. Every time I get there it just scares the crap out of me thinking I will flip over backwards if I try it. Every one else goes right over with little problem. Well today there it was at the end of our ride and I was on the new Trigger-1. I just said to my self, your going over it and I rode up, gave the front end a lift and over I went with no problem at all. I could not believe it. This bike has made me a much better rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcappy View Post
    I just said to my self, your going over it and I rode up, gave the front end a lift and over I went with no problem at all. I could not believe it.
    Hell to the yeah....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_bo View Post
    First ride with my bike will be tomorrow nite.
    So, JimBo, how'd your first ride go?

    Flucod, nice skinny riding right there...we have one of a similar height at a park near me...not as long, but has a bend to it (wait, that didn't sound right, did it ). Anyhow, piece-a-cake on the Trigger..rode it for the first time uphill the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    So, JimBo, how'd your first ride go?
    I really have been enjoying the trigger. My Superfly AL 100 was better on a long straight climb. But that's it. The trigger does everything else much better. I'm impressed at how easy it is to keep on a line with the Trigger. The Superfly wandered all over the trail and was very hard to keep on a line.

    I could go through a laundry list of items like better suspension, better handling, better ergonomics (for me), better downhill, etc... but I could just sum it up quickly by saying it does (almost) everything better than my Superfly!

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    I too have a Superfly 100 Al Pro (2013) in the shed and I just went and put a deposit on a Trigger 29er 1. Couldn't help myself... will I regret this purchase?

    Has anyone got any feedback on the Trigger 29er 1 wheelset... in that the Crest rims are only rated to 190 pounds (86kg) normally(No Tubes website). Does the wider 142 rear end and the wider 2013 lefty hub compensate for this by creating a stronger wheel? I weigh about 95kg... so am thinking I might also be up for a new wheelset.

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    So far mine are holding up. I plan to ride them until I cant keep them true. I only have a few hours on them now. We will see what happens. I also have a set of Crests on my Superfly 100-carbon and I have lots of hours on them with no issues but I don't ride over big drops on that bike either.
    If you notice them going out of true get right on it. Most of the time if you true them before the rim actually bends you can save them. I have only had to true the Superfly Crests once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    will I regret this purchase?
    Judging by the enthusiasm from riders on this thread and the initial reviews by Bike, MB Action, Dirt Rag and Bicycling, I don't think so

    I have the WTB i23 Tubeless Ready wheelset with Formula hubs, which come on the Trigger 29er 2. I'm 205 lbs and ride very rough and rocky trails. So far these wheels have held up very well.

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    Rode it hard again today for 1.5 hrs. Lots of fast descents with large roots and drops. Very rough at speed. Wheels are still true!

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    Need help fellow Trigger 29er owners..I toasted my X9 rear derailleur this weekend due to a stick. It also bent the hanger. My questions:

    1) Would the Trigger's derailleur be considered medium cage or short cage?
    2) For the hanger, none of the websites show a hanger for the Trigger 29er yet, absent ordering from my LBS (have emailed them), it looks to be a similar design to the Claymore and Scalpel....can anyone confirm?

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    I came across this article from FLOW MAGAZINE about the lack of fast rebound for the Lefty Supermax:

    It was however not all rosy and sweet. We found the Lefty’s suspension action to be very harsh on our hands when the speeds increased, as if the fork just wasn’t reacting fast enough for repetitive hits, even with the rebound adjuster wound as fast as it would go. We raced this bike in the Flow Rollercoaster Gravity Enduro down Thredbo’s new Kosciusko Flow Trail, where you go flying full speed into repetitive braking ruts for over ten minutes. After back-to-back comparisons between a 26” bike with a FOX fork, the Lefty just felt wooden and harsh on the hands. We tried various air pressure settings, but that didn’t have much of an impact.
    Anyone else has had this experience? I'm debating between the T1(with the Lefty) and T2(with the Fox 34)

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    I think I understand the point about being harsh on the hands. I read on here that the scalpel guys are putting in smaller volume reducers and increasing air pressure. Has anyone tried this? While the lefty is a bit harsh on stutter bumps, it's not so bad that I am desperate for a fix... But I have thought about experimenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racinghk View Post
    I came across this article from FLOW MAGAZINE about the lack of fast rebound for the Lefty Supermax:

    It was however not all rosy and sweet. We found the Lefty’s suspension action to be very harsh on our hands when the speeds increased, as if the fork just wasn’t reacting fast enough for repetitive hits, even with the rebound adjuster wound as fast as it would go. We raced this bike in the Flow Rollercoaster Gravity Enduro down Thredbo’s new Kosciusko Flow Trail, where you go flying full speed into repetitive braking ruts for over ten minutes. After back-to-back comparisons between a 26” bike with a FOX fork, the Lefty just felt wooden and harsh on the hands. We tried various air pressure settings, but that didn’t have much of an impact.


    Anyone else has had this experience? I'm debating between the T1(with the Lefty) and T2(with the Fox 34)
    I have ridden my -1 over lots of rock gardens already and I will say that the fork responds instantly to repetitive shocks to the wheel. I must also tell you that I have replaced the 85 cm stem with a 110 because of my x-long torso. This may have something to do with it.

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    Gcappy- which size trigger are you on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by racinghk View Post
    Anyone else has had this experience? I'm debating between the T1(with the Lefty) and T2(with the Fox 34)
    Can't speak for the Lefty, but the F34 on my T2 is like buttah. Very adjustable, very smooth, even in the fast, rapid fire bumps...and don't have it at full fast rebound (it's about 2-3 clicks from full fast).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Can't speak for the Lefty, but the F34 on my T2 is like buttah. Very adjustable, very smooth, even in the fast, rapid fire bumps...and don't have it at full fast rebound (it's about 2-3 clicks from full fast).
    You've just made my decision even harder! I'm at the lbs thinking, sitting, trying, feeling, etc. What to do? What to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widget View Post
    Gcappy- which size trigger are you on?
    29er-1 Large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_bo View Post
    I think I understand the point about being harsh on the hands. I read on here that the scalpel guys are putting in smaller volume reducers and increasing air pressure. Has anyone tried this? While the lefty is a bit harsh on stutter bumps, it's not so bad that I am desperate for a fix... But I have thought about experimenting.
    No one has any experience swapping out the volume reducer?

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    I am still waiting for my Trigger to come in and so can't comment on the supermax rebound performance, but logically I would have to say increasing the air volume is only going to make for a more linear spring rate and have no effect on rebound. Rather, if you want more high-speed rebound, I'd be thinking you need to change the oil in the damper or tune the damper itself. When my PBR damper leaked out last summer, it had no rebound dampening (but super fast rebound speed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    My Supermax Rebound is perfect. It is fantastic on stutter bumps and has been the plushest fork I have ever used. I have bombed down massive rock gardens and 6 foot drops and the front end is great.

    Now on my Scalpel the Lefty does not react well at all on stutter bumps and definitely needs all of your attention in the rough stuff. Some of us here have taken out the reducer. One guy has a 10mm, another a 25mm and another a 40mm. The Lefty on the Scalpel comes with a 60mm reducer. I think maybe the guy writing that article got his Lefties screwed up, the Supermax on mine has absolutely zero of those traits.
    +1. No problems here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    My Supermax Rebound is perfect. It is fantastic on stutter bumps and has been the plushest fork I have ever used. I have bombed down massive rock gardens and 6 foot drops and the front end is great.

    Now on my Scalpel the Lefty does not react well at all on stutter bumps and definitely needs all of your attention in the rough stuff. Some of us here have taken out the reducer. One guy has a 10mm, another a 25mm and another a 40mm. The Lefty on the Scalpel comes with a 60mm reducer. I think maybe the guy writing that article got his Lefties screwed up, the Supermax on mine has absolutely zero of those traits.
    Thanks for the in-depth reply. I don't think the writer made a mistake on the model. But maybe it was an isolated incident. Here's the link to the article for your reference:

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    Just got the phone call from my LBS - My Trigger 1 has arrived and I can pick it up tomorrow morning. The shop has sold 3 Trigger 2s but this is the first Trigger 1 they've seen in the flesh. It was an amusing phone call... all the guys in the shop are in love with how burly and 'mean' it looks... they're all quite blown away with it. Can't wait for tomorrow... feels like Xmas.
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    "Well that sucks balls".
    Can't say I'm too happy with Cannondale. My bike has arrived, it's beautiful, it's new, it's begging to be ridden, but alas... it's also without a high powered shock pump. You know the one... the one you're supposed to get with the $4500 bike you just dropped some serious coin on.

    I weigh a svelt 95kg, therefore I need a shock pump that can blow out a 370 psi candle. According to the shop, Cannondale has no stock of the shock pumps... but we'll sell you a bike you can't ride anyway.

    I scoured every bike shop within a 50km radius today with no luck finding anything higher than a 300psi pump. Well, it's off to ebay I go.

    Damn, I'm angry. It's perfect riding weather here at the moment, with rain forecast next week... probably about the time I source a pump from somewhere.

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    Hey russ...as you may know the shock comes included with the bike...it should have shipped with it in the box the bike came in....have your LBS double check the box (or around the shop)..it's gotta be lying around somewhere? Where are you located? maybe there's another DYAD2 owner somewhere near you? I'm in northern NJ if it helps.

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    According to the shop, none of the Triggers have been showing up with the shock pump. They reckon several owners are in line waiting for their pumps... if that's the case, it sounds like a problem from Cannondale's end. I'm in Australia, so maybe it's just here that it's happening.

    I spotted a 400 psi pump on eBay yesterday, so I've ordered that as a backup because I don't trust how long Cannondale / LBS will take to source the original one.

    I'll just have to be patient. I'm wanting to build a different wheelset for the bike anyway, rather than run the "ridiculous-for-my-weight" Crest rims. I just go out to the shed and stare at it every few hours.

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    Mine was in the box. NY.

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    Mine came with mine too…

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    So to add to the ride report on the Trigger 29er-1. I shot this video the other day. I was following some 26er's on my Trigger. The important thing is watch the video and see how smooth it is with the gopro mounted on my handlebar!! Near the end of the video there are a series of log bridges and a rock bride. You can see the bikes in front of me bouncing and jumping around being knocked off their line but My Trigger 29er-1 is smooth and steady as a rock through it all. This bike goes over the wash boards with ease and holds the line. I love it even if I keep clipping the wide bars on trees and crashing!

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    Holy crap... Where is that? I want to ride that trail!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_bo View Post
    Holy crap... Where is that? I want to ride that trail!!!
    This is my only local trail. It is between Fulton and Phoenix NY. It is a section of land owned by local government and private owners that has been donated for trail use. The name is Great Bear and it is maintained by the Friends of Great Bear. It sits right between the two towns next to the Oswego river (not shown in video). It's a beautiful place that is well maintained by the FOGB. You do have to be careful out there as the trail is also used by walkers (with dogs off lease), runners and equestrians. We often run into two or three horses and it makes it fun to try and avoid what they leave behind.

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    Nice vid! just need a killer sound track and you're set! That riding looks similar to downstate venues I've ridden (Kingston NY area and Northern NJ). I finally got my Trigger back on-line...new derailleur hanger (Cannondale was out of them, so LBS ordered from Wheels Manufacturing) and a new X9 Type 2 rear derailleur. Hoping to get back on it this weekend. Have been riding the SS and 1X9 in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugeye View Post
    Nice vid! just need a killer sound track and you're set! That riding looks similar to downstate venues I've ridden (Kingston NY area and Northern NJ). I finally got my Trigger back on-line...new derailleur hanger (Cannondale was out of them, so LBS ordered from Wheels Manufacturing) and a new X9 Type 2 rear derailleur. Hoping to get back on it this weekend. Have been riding the SS and 1X9 in the meantime.
    Yeah, on the sound track thing. It's just too much trouble with all the copy right stuff. And when I watch them back I can hear the voices in my head any way! LOL.

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    Does anybody know if the S1400 crank that comes on the Trigger 29er1 has the removable spider? I'm think about going 1X and would like to use a Wolftooth direct mount if that's the case.
    Direct Mount for SRAM GXP Cranks | wolftoothcycling.com

    And does it being a BB30 crank make this an issue?

    About the only way I can see to tell is take the crank out of the frame but I don't want to do that unless I have the part in hand.

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    The S1400 does have a removeable spider... but I don't think the wolftooth ring is compatible with BB30. A solution is the absoluteblack spiderless ring.

    Sram Spiderless

    I am changing mine to 1X10 but am simply changing the crank to the Sram XX1 crank... which is probably the cheapest part of the XX1 drivetrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    The S1400 does have a removeable spider... but I don't think the wolftooth ring is compatible with BB30. A solution is the absoluteblack spiderless ring.

    Sram Spiderless

    I am changing mine to 1X10 but am simply changing the crank to the Sram XX1 crank... which is probably the cheapest part of the XX1 drivetrain.

    Another option. I guess some people have been using the Wolftooth on BB30 cranks with success. The other option is to just get a 104bcd ring and use it on the crank, it's not as slick as the spiderless but would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    The S1400 does have a removeable spider... but I don't think the wolftooth ring is compatible with BB30. A solution is the absoluteblack spiderless ring.

    Sram Spiderless

    I am changing mine to 1X10 but am simply changing the crank to the Sram XX1 crank... which is probably the cheapest part of the XX1 drivetrain.
    Why wouldn't the Wolftooth not work with BB30? But the Absolute does???

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Why wouldn't the Wolftooth not work with BB30? But the Absolute does???
    I'm not 100% sure but the Woftooth website makes it clear that the Sram direct mount ring is for GXP cranks, not BB30. May have something to do with the amount of chainline offset.

    Anyone else know for sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    I'm not 100% sure but the Woftooth website makes it clear that the Sram direct mount ring is for GXP cranks, not BB30. May have something to do with the amount of chainline offset.

    Anyone else know for sure?

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    I'm by no means an expert here, but here's what I've pieced together sorting out the 1x saga on my Scalpel. The chainline for bb30 and GXP is the same of very similar due to the fact that this is the alignment of the rings to the drivetrain/centerline. What differes between bb30 and GXP is offset of the spider. According to 2 sources I've talked to there is approximately a 5mm difference between the two specs. If you use a GXP spider/ring on a direct mount the chain line will be 5mm inboard vs using the proper BB30.

    Here in lie's the tricky part. Not all mfg's build their rings quite the same. For instance, MRP and NSB direct mount rings have slightly different chainlines from what I understand. To complicate it further, Absoluteblack has a nice little * on the BB30 comment regarding some OEM spindles that are longer. My best understanding after some dialogue with them is that some OEM cranks come in a spindle length 5mm longer. I can't speak to which ones or the trigger itself.

    I can speak to the C-dale Scalpel29 which is in the family. While it came with bb30 and a spider stamped bb30, Mounting up BB30 specific spiders leaves a very wide chainline. I appear to have a 10mm spacer between the BB and DS crankarm which AbsoluteBlack believes makes it the longer OEM crankset..... Hmmm. What I can't figure out is the original spider. My best guess is Sram is using GXP spiders marked as bb30 with this longer spindle (+5mm on the spindle -5mm on the GXP spider= original chainline). Spindle length will affect the q-factor, but my understanding is that Sram's different q-factor specs use the same spindle and different arm profiles because looking at the specs, their chainline is constant.

    Still sorting it all out, but this is my best speculation at this stage. Even my best Googling skills can't dig up anything else on the potential for multiple spindle lengths on the Sram bb30 cranks.

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    Yes, the Trigger 29er 1 comes with the longer spindle and the 10 mm spacer.
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    Thanks for the details above.
    You have to love industry UNstandards.
    And Widget....as I'm sure you probably know....published chain lines are rarely accurate.
    Same goes for every other spec/number on bikes.

    But...bikes are fun as hell. And I'm digging the Trigger...just need to dial in a few things.
    I might just buy a 30T 104 ring and give it a shot.

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    Spot on.... I love it when things like geometry numbers don't add up. Or the beautiful little * on the bike spec sheets noting "subject to change"

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    With the trigger 29er 2 with the s1000 crank can you just slap on an XO for bb30 and call it a day or will the chain line be messed up?

    I'm not to savy on all the new specs for a bb

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawk84 View Post
    With the trigger 29er 2 with the s1000 crank can you just slap on an XO for bb30 and call it a day or will the chain line be messed up?

    I'm not to savy on all the new specs for a bb
    It should be fine....just order the right one.
    But you're spending a lot of money for a little weight savings

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