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    New question here. RZ 140 build ..Please Help

    replacing my broken prophet with an RZ 140.


    1. I know it requires a 34.9mm front derailer but I can't find if it's top pull or bottom pull.
    Does it really matter?
    I plan on using a SRAM X9 or X7 to match the rest of my drivetrain.
    I'll be running a 9 speed, dual ring set-up with a bashguard.

    2. XT cranks: Are spacers required? If so, which side?
    My Prophet had an E-type derailer which acted as a spacer, so I only needed one on the non drive side for a perfect chain line.

    3. Seatpost clamp. I know the post is 31.6. But I can't find the required clamp size.

    C-dale site is not very good. I did not see the RZ listed at all. Only a tech supplement.


    thanks in advance for the help.
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    Just buy a dual pull conventional front mech Xt or similar Top pull sram offering. I just put an xt one with the rest of my setup being sram and I also run a double and bash setup.

    I just got a rize built up and used single spacer non drive and 2 on the drive for clearance.

    Clamp size is 34.9

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    I concur with the guy above who cleans a lot.

    I went from a prophet to RZ140 and just pick up a dual pull 34.9 XT FD. I works great.

    Oh, you might need a new chain. The chain stay is longer. I found this out hard way when I was testing out the build in my court and went big/big and bent my derailleur hanger
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    Newer front derailleurs work both ways, top and bottom pull. For the Rize, the cables are routed on the top.

    I'm not sure about the spacer, but for the XT cranks, you will need a BB30 adaptor in case you don't have one already.

    Check for clamps here http://www.jensonusa.com/store/sub/1...0&pricemax=400

    The Rize - RZ140 is not for sale anymore, check on the Bike Archive section on the Cannondale site.

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    thanks guys...

    1.dual pull conventional or top pull SRAM in a 34.9mm
    2.single space on the non drive & 2 on the drive
    3.seatpost clamp = 34.9

    Question:
    * What is the BB30 adaptor? Is it the plastic cylinder that sits in the cup? I never heard of this adaptor.

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    The adapter fits into the bottom bracket shell. Its a similar idea to a reducer headset, it converts your 30mm bottom bracket to the standard 25mm diameter (I believe the size refers to the spindle not the actual shell diameter.

    I think something like this is what you want...

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=44067

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    Quote Originally Posted by broom broom View Post
    The adapter fits into the bottom bracket shell. Its a similar idea to a reducer headset, it converts your 30mm bottom bracket to the standard 25mm diameter (I believe the size refers to the spindle not the actual shell diameter.

    I think something like this is what you want...

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=44067
    That's right, and here are the installation instructions:

    http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/95-6415-003-000.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by broom broom View Post
    The adapter fits into the bottom bracket shell. Its a similar idea to a reducer headset, it converts your 30mm bottom bracket to the standard 25mm diameter (I believe the size refers to the spindle not the actual shell diameter.

    I think something like this is what you want...

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=44067

    sorry...I'm confused...
    I have a 9 speed XT crankset (new this year).
    So can't run the stock adapter that came with the cranks & BB?

    I need to order this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeriderB View Post
    sorry...I'm confused...
    I have a 9 speed XT crankset (new this year).
    So can't run the stock adapter that came with the cranks & BB?

    I need to order this?
    No, it's not the best way anymore. You need the bb30 bearings and these adapter cups from Wheels Mfg. The fsa adapter works, but if you ever want it out, you need to have a shop do it.

    this link shows what you need
    http://www.wheelsmfg.com/tech/PDF/shimano-mtb.pdf
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    Bb30

    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    No, it's not the best way anymore. You need the bb30 bearings and these adapter cups from Wheels Mfg. The fsa adapter works, but if you ever want it out, you need to have a shop do it.

    this link shows what you need
    http://www.wheelsmfg.com/tech/PDF/shimano-mtb.pdf

    but I can still use my XT cranks...right?

    i checked your link. For XT it says Use Wheels Mfg. Part #BB30-SPC.
    There are no pics though.
    So this part is the "outboard" bearings that just screw into the BB cup?
    I did some searching...but I only see thin looking spacers.

    Does the BB30 have to be press fit into the frame? or can I just use my Shimano wrench to tighten the BB30 bearings?

    thanks again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeriderB View Post
    but I can still use my XT cranks...right?

    i checked your link. For XT it says Use Wheels Mfg. Part #BB30-SPC.
    There are no pics though.
    So this part is the "outboard" bearings that just screw into the BB cup?
    I did some searching...but I only see thin looking spacers.

    Does the BB30 have to be press fit into the frame? or can I just use my Shimano wrench to tighten the BB30 bearings?

    thanks again...
    You mostly got it.
    YOu need bb30 bearings that press into the frame. No shimano wrench here.
    YOu need your xt crankset without the BB that came with it.
    You need the wheels mfg derlin adapters I wrote about above.

    the adapters plus the bb30 bearings replace that outboard BB. It's lighter, but a crap shoot if it lasts longer.
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    Straight from the C'Dale RZ140 build manual

    SI BB30-to-68mm Standard Adapter
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    he adapter (Cannondale kit KF365/) converts the BB30 bottom bracket cranksets for use with 68mm bottom brackets. The adapter IS NOTNOT a repair part and will only work in undamaged frames in good condition. Improper installation or removal can result in damage and void applicable frame warranty.

    Here are the C'dale parts I ordered for mine. they make the frame ready to accept all std BB including the XT cranks. I did not want to deal with any of that BB30 Bull-Sh_T

    KP009/ 68mm ADAPTER
    KF365/ADAPTER W/ INSTAINSTALL TOOTOOL
    If you can find a shop with the installation tool use them. I had to buy my own since no one had one.

    BTW, I recommend the C'dale headset too.
    KP058 which is the 1-1/8" adapter.

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    fsa bb30 & Front derailer

    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    You mostly got it.
    YOu need bb30 bearings that press into the frame. No shimano wrench here.
    YOu need your xt crankset without the BB that came with it.
    You need the wheels mfg derlin adapters I wrote about above.

    the adapters plus the bb30 bearings replace that outboard BB. It's lighter, but a crap shoot if it lasts longer.
    found an FSA BB30 adaptor online. But it does not reference whether bearings come with it (I know the tool adaptors do). Do I need to purchase separately?

    Also...

    for the front derailer....Does the RZ140 require a HIGH clamp...or a LOW clamp?
    need to know this before I order.

    THANKS!!

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    for the front derailuer, if you're just running 2 rings and a bash, my personal favorite is the Shimano SLX M667. PricePoint has it for $50. it won't work with triple cranks though. and if you're running 2 rings and a bash, get the med cage rear derailuer and you can knock off about 6" of chain too.

    fun building bikes, right. so much to know these days. Anyway, you'll love the bike. light, lively and is a great climber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeriderB View Post
    found an FSA BB30 adaptor online. But it does not reference whether bearings come with it (I know the tool adaptors do). Do I need to purchase separately?

    Also...

    for the front derailer....Does the RZ140 require a HIGH clamp...or a LOW clamp?
    need to know this before I order.

    THANKS!!
    On the FD, here is the on I have on my RZ and this is actually where I bought it.
    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=36765

    as for the FSA adapter. I remember seeing something at Sea Otter, but I can't remember exactly what it was. Can you give a link? I also would have no experience with the FSA setup, but I know the Wheels Mfg set up works
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    front derailer

    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    On the FD, here is the on I have on my RZ and this is actually where I bought it.
    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...s.php?id=36765

    as for the FSA adapter. I remember seeing something at Sea Otter, but I can't remember exactly what it was. Can you give a link? I also would have no experience with the FSA setup, but I know the Wheels Mfg set up works

    thanks for the link...looks like a high clamp set up.
    now I can narrow my search.

    link to BB30 adaptor:
    http://jensonusa.com/store/product/B...+For+Bb30.aspx

    I've decided to let my LBS order the bb30 adaptor from C-dale direct. This was I know it's going to fit.
    I'm still po'd that the frame does not take a true 1.5 headset.
    so now more $$$ from C-dale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeriderB View Post
    thanks for the link...looks like a high clamp set up.
    now I can narrow my search.

    link to BB30 adaptor:
    http://jensonusa.com/store/product/B...+For+Bb30.aspx

    I've decided to let my LBS order the bb30 adaptor from C-dale direct. This was I know it's going to fit.
    I'm still po'd that the frame does not take a true 1.5 headset.
    so now more $$$ from C-dale.
    The adapter works fine too.

    On the headset, it's integrated into the head tube. You only need the headset bearings (assuming you have a lefty)
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    headset

    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    The adapter works fine too.

    On the headset, it's integrated into the head tube. You only need the headset bearings (assuming you have a lefty)
    negative...no Lefty.
    A sweet PUSHED PIKE.

    I hope the LBS ordered the right thing...

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    Didn't I tell you that you would be better off ordering the BB insert and Headset reducer from C'dale. let me know if you want to borrow my BB insert tool. I can drop it off with the shop. BTW, I hope you were cool with me stealing your dropout off the Prophet. I have it in my bag if you need it back.

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    dropout

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebradigital View Post
    Didn't I tell you that you would be better off ordering the BB insert and Headset reducer from C'dale. let me know if you want to borrow my BB insert tool. I can drop it off with the shop. BTW, I hope you were cool with me stealing your dropout off the Prophet. I have it in my bag if you need it back.

    Yo! I need my derailer hanger back. I have another Prophet lined up at the shop and need it to build up.
    Can you please drop it off at the shop over the next day or 2?
    Let me know...I want to build it up for the weekend.

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    dude, I was on vacation and just saw this. I'm leaving for Germany Monday AM but can I drop it off to your house? I can't respond to the private message for some reason. will you be in the trail sunday? Not sure I can get up to the shop sunday or not. I feel horrible. sorry.

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    does the shop have your number? I can leave mine with them if that helps.

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    drop out

    Quote Originally Posted by Zebradigital View Post
    does the shop have your number? I can leave mine with them if that helps.
    No sweat!
    I found an extra one in my bag from way back when I bought my bike.
    Enjoy your trip....drop it off when you get back.

    thanks!

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    thanks, btw, I'm taking my bike gear. they have a bike shop that rents bikes and they have a group ride thursday nights. I think I might get a few rides in while I'm there. I'm staying in the Black Forest and the trail systems go on for hundreds of miles. the weather is kind of crummy (50's & 60's) but at least I won't sweat much. How's the RZ coming along? have you ridden it yet? is it the right size?

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