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    Prophet: anybody tried it?

    OK, I'm really tempted to get myself a Prophet (probably the 2000) and I can probably get a good price on it if I order it with the whole 2005 lot of the local shop (I got more than 1000$ off on my Cake that way). That would mean I have to decide very soon, I cannot try it first (altough I doubt the LBS will let me try it outside the showroom floor) and there are no reviews of it yet (I tend to ignore the biased magazine reviews, I trust you guys more). Is there anyone who tried it yet?
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    Yes I have

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Not me :-(

    Only heard that its very good, all the europe mags have given it 9/10, most shope here have them in 7-10 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleinAttitude
    Yes I have
    Care to comment about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    OK, I'm really tempted to get myself a Prophet (probably the 2000) and I can probably get a good price on it if I order it with the whole 2005 lot of the local shop (I got more than 1000$ off on my Cake that way). That would mean I have to decide very soon,
    Hey Dan,
    I have never bought a new bike from a LBS before(all used from friends), and was planning on also picking up the 2000. Is there a way to ask for the "2005 lot" purchase? I met the owner of our local C-dale dealer and he answered all my questions and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCF&TiPlease
    Hey Dan,
    I have never bought a new bike from a LBS before(all used from friends), and was planning on also picking up the 2000. Is there a way to ask for the "2005 lot" purchase? I met the owner of our local C-dale dealer and he answered all my questions and more.
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    Just ask him. My current bike was bought that way in a small shop. A bike worth almost 5000$ helped him deal a great price on his whole lot for the next season. He gave me a very good price. I'm not sure it can make a difference in a bigger shop tough.

    I decided not to buy the Prophet. I was told by a Cannondale rep the weights of the line-up:

    Prophet 4000: about 26lbs
    Prophet 2000: just over 28lbs
    Prophet 1000: 31lbs

    That's much heavier than I tought they would be. My current 5" travel all-mountain bike weighs 27lbs (Fisher Cake 1_DLX) so I decided it wasn't worth it to change it just yet so I'll keep it and live with the slightly awkward Genesis geometry at least another year.

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    If you are still interested, Gregg from MTBR demo'd one for a weekend at Whislter.

    He posted a little about it in these threads:
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    If you have questions you could email or PM him.

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    the cannondale reps were at my lbs last weekend and my brother and I got to test ride a prophet 1000. just by picking it up it seemed noticeably lighter than my jekyll 600 and my brother's jekyll 800. i could be wrong but it felt sub 30 lbs. it could also be that i heard it was lighter so it seemed lighter. i also could swear the rep said it was around 28

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    Prophets that heavy?

    I have to say if it is indeed 31 pounds as you say, I'm a little surprised. The European version of the 1000 came in at 12.5kg (27.5 lbs) as far as I have been told but they are using a slightly lighter wheel set. The stock Jekyll 1000 I thought was about 29.5 lbs and given the frame weight of roughly 6.15 lbs, and the Prophet coming in at 5.25 lbs, I would have thought for sure that the Prophet would weigh less than the Jekyll. Am I missing something obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal Rider
    I have to say if it is indeed 31 pounds as you say, I'm a little surprised. The European version of the 1000 came in at 12.5kg (27.5 lbs) as far as I have been told but they are using a slightly lighter wheel set. The stock Jekyll 1000 I thought was about 29.5 lbs and given the frame weight of roughly 6.15 lbs, and the Prophet coming in at 5.25 lbs, I would have thought for sure that the Prophet would weigh less than the Jekyll. Am I missing something obvious?
    Maybe the rep I talked to was just playing it safe, too safe. I sure hope so. We'll see once the bikes start appearing.

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    Prophet is not an original name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Maybe the rep I talked to was just playing it safe, too safe. I sure hope so. We'll see once the bikes start appearing.
    My LBS only had a size XL which is too big for my 5'10" frame. I look forward to trying one out to see if the hype is warranted or not.

    On another note I was at an auction the other day and there was a bike for sale which was the Tribal brand and the name of the bike was the Prophet. The bike was at least a couple of years old. Now I know where the name comes from anyways.

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    Heh, thats not where the name came from actually.....But that is ok...Good guess

    I've ridden the prophet a bunch. I wasn't so thrilled at first (parking lot test) but when I got into the woods and did a 4 hour ride on it I was thoroughly impressed! It handled everything with grace and vigor. I jumped some decent size jumps, some small drops, some steep chutes and it rocked on all of those obstacles...Even in the XC position. I havn't ridden it in the FR position, but I can only imaging that it feels that much more stable in sketchy situations.

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    thanx BR That sounds like a point for the good. Which model was it?

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    It wasn't really any model. It was basically a pre-production frame with assorted components like: Crossmax XL wheels, Swinger 4 way coil shock, Magura hydros, XTR cranks, and sram r. derailleur. Sort of a frankenstein model Here are two photos of me on it in Trumbull CT.

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    Cool, thanx for the pics. It's nice to see some real pix instead of just the "glossies". Is the Prophet good enough for you to get?

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    I rode it today for a mile loop twice. Light for a long travel bike. Not much Bobbing. Good downhill handling and good climbing ability. It was not better than other bikes out there, but it was not worse either. I rode the 1000, 2000, and the 3000. I'd consider buying one if I wasn't such a cross country fiend and it wasn't expensive as all hell.

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    2 Days worth of Riding

    Day 1) I had the opportunity to take out a 1000 yesterday for a 1500' climb and nice rock gardens on the way down. It doesn't climb as well as the Scalpel, but I really didn't expect it too. It does climb well however, in line with some other bikes like the Heckler and 575, and is really plush. Coming down the hill was a little sketchy only because it absolutely sucked up everything with ease. The lefty tracks so nicely, the brakes are awesome, this bike made me go faster than I really though I could and at some points faster than I really wanted to. I'm going to take it out today for some switchback climbing so I'll have a better idea out how it performs in more demanding singletrack. If you get a chance to demo one I'd tell you to try one. Jury is still out whether I will by it or not, I have one on order still though.

    Day 2) Any misgivings I had after a brief ride on Saturday were completed dismissed today. I buddy of mine and I went out for an extended test ride switching bikes with some regularity. I have to say that by the end of the day I was totally hooked and so was he. The bike handled really well though I would probably switch out the tires to something more conducive my local terrain. I long and short of it I would not the least bit surprised if the Scalpel just sits in the garage as the Prophet is just sol fluid. Climbs, singletrack, hair raising descents, the bike handled everything we threw at it with grace. Lots of fun, thanks Cannondale, now send me my %*$^& bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal Rider
    Day 1) I had the opportunity to take out a 1000 yesterday for a 1500' climb and nice rock gardens on the way down. It doesn't climb as well as the Scalpel, but I really didn't expect it too. It does climb well however, in line with some other bikes like the Heckler and 575, and is really plush. Coming down the hill was a little sketchy only because it absolutely sucked up everything with ease. The lefty tracks so nicely, the brakes are awesome, this bike made me go faster than I really though I could and at some points faster than I really wanted to. I'm going to take it out today for some switchback climbing so I'll have a better idea out how it performs in more demanding singletrack. If you get a chance to demo one I'd tell you to try one. Jury is still out whether I will by it or not, I have one on order still though.

    Day 2) Any misgivings I had after a brief ride on Saturday were completed dismissed today. I buddy of mine and I went out for an extended test ride switching bikes with some regularity. I have to say that by the end of the day I was totally hooked and so was he. The bike handled really well though I would probably switch out the tires to something more conducive my local terrain. I long and short of it I would not the least bit surprised if the Scalpel just sits in the garage as the Prophet is just sol fluid. Climbs, singletrack, hair raising descents, the bike handled everything we threw at it with grace. Lots of fun, thanks Cannondale, now send me my %*$^& bike!
    Haaaaaa! I have until tomorrow to decide if I get one or if I don't. I'd buy it along with 2 other Cannondales with two friends and I'd do the "order with the whole stock of the shop" thing so the price would be much better than if I wait a few months... Anybody knows the weight of a Medium Fisher Cake 1_DLX just to compare both bikes? I know there is much more to a bike than it's weight but the Cannondale wins on everything else for me so it's just the last detail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Haaaaaa! I have until tomorrow to decide if I get one or if I don't. I'd buy it along with 2 other Cannondales with two friends and I'd do the "order with the whole stock of the shop" thing so the price would be much better than if I wait a few months... Anybody knows the weight of a Medium Fisher Cake 1_DLX just to compare both bikes? I know there is much more to a bike than it's weight but the Cannondale wins on everything else for me so it's just the last detail...

    Sorry Dan,

    Forgot to put it on the scale for you, meant too but forgot after riding. I can tell you that it sure felt like it was more than 4 lbs heaver than the Scalpel I'm currently riding (which is probably right around 24 lbs), but at least for me taking the pounds off my body is sure a lot cheaper than taking it off the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorCal Rider
    Sorry Dan,

    Forgot to put it on the scale for you, meant too but forgot after riding. I can tell you that it sure felt like it was more than 4 lbs heaver than the Scalpel I'm currently riding (which is probably right around 24 lbs), but at least for me taking the pounds off my body is sure a lot cheaper than taking it off the bike.
    Don't worry. What year is your Scalpel? The 2004 Team Scalpel is around 23 pounds stock. The 2005 should be even lighter with the SRAM and Magura parts... But anyway, for a bike like the Prophet, a great geometry and suspension performance is far more important than a pound here and there. I will probably go for the Prophet 2000 if I do get one. You tried the 1000 but which one did you order? The 2000 is probably lighter than the one you tried.

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    It's a 2002 Team (great bike). The Prophet I tried actually had the Magura brakes on it even though it was a 1000. I heard that Cannondale was having trouble getting brake sets from Avid. Rumor I heard was that the 1000's were going to come with Maguras, a step up from the XT on the 2000 as well. I really hope this is the case because man those brakes are freakin' awesome. Way way better than the Hope Hydros on the Scalpel (IMHO). I'll probably take a 1000 and make some minor changes such as tires, bars and maybe pedals, at least initially.

    I was really impressed at how well the bike responded on the second day. Honestly, after the first day I was kind of on the fence, but after the second, I'm sold. The only thing I would recommend is riding one if at all possible before totally committing, as your experience may be totally different than mine.

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    Hi,

    I tried the Prophet last week, it was a 600 model without Lockout. It had XT derailleur (Inverse), Deore Rapidfire and Hayes Nine brakes, Mavic 117 rims. So even though it was the cheapest model (around 2300 EUR) it had quite good components (at least you don't have to change them directly after buying).

    But I was very disappointed when I rode it for about 1h. I didn't like the rear suspension, it was still bagging even though I changed setup several times during my testride. I prefer the old Jekyll rear sus with standard airshocks (progressive). The rear was quite flexy during cornering. The jekyll rides a lot better than this.
    And by the way the Lefty Max with steel coil is a huge degradation compared to my old airy DLR.

    Well, I prefer to keep my F1000.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH
    Yep, the reviewer seemed to have liked it a lot and it was definitely "as seen by a freerider" so I may see it very differently as I'm more of a XC rider learning to love fast downhills, jumps and things like that. He seemed to almost be questionning the advantages of big-over-35pounds-bikes.
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    The reviewer posts here (or used to) with the handle "Painter".

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