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    Pro Bike any good?

    Do you guys know about this online store?

    http://www.bikesarea.com/

    I think they're based in Spain, but their pricing for new Cannondales (even taking the Euro to $$$ conversion) is pretty good.

    I was wondering if anyone here has heard anything about this place, or if they have bought from them?

    Also, if anyone knows a good bike store in the greater Los Angeles area that offers some deals on Cannondale please let me know (feel free to private message if you don't want to go public with the info).

    Thanks!

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    Be careful.

    Authorized Cannondale dealers are not allowed to sell over the internet.
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    damion - If they are not an authorized dealer what would that do to the warranty? What is a Lupine 2006? I get a free one with the purchase of a Rush. Appears to be some light set.
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    Yeah, the lupine is a light set. I was interested in seeing if anyone had purchased from these guys before and had had a bad experience. The web site appears to be legit, and internet sales policies might be different in other countries (regardless what Cannondale wants, certain countries simply don't allow a company's policy to supercede their particular commerce laws).

    Anyway, if someone around here has had direct experiences with these guys I would like to know (even if you didn't necessarily buy a bike).

    I'm a bit frustrated by dealers around here, nobody wants to budge even a tiny bit from the retail price, yet I know that in other states people have gotten dealers to drop even a few hundred bucks from the final price.

    I have no idea on what is a typical mark-up range for a bike shop...but I'm sure there's some room in there for a bit of a discount.

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    I'm a little leery about on-line dealers selling complete bikes on-line. Something about that site bothers me too. They have three pages of C-Dales and seem to have them all. The photos ripped right off the C-Dale website also bother me. I wouldn't be so convinced. Besides I prefer to try out my bikes before I plunk down that kind of money.

    Then again they could be totally legit.

    Most shops don't have a very high mark up on most of their inventory. If you are looking for deals then the best time would be in the late fall or winter when they are trying to make room for the next season models. One other thing, unless you have a long standing relationship with a shop I wouldn't expect them to drop their price. They probably deal with dozens upon dozens of other customers who are looking for a discount. Most LBS set-ups are a small business owned and operated. These folks have to make a living.

    If they gave one customer a discount they'd have to do it for everybody now wouldn't they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodigalcyclist
    I'm a little leery about on-line dealers selling complete bikes on-line. Something about that site bothers me too. They have three pages of C-Dales and seem to have them all. The photos ripped right off the C-Dale website also bother me. I wouldn't be so convinced.

    If they gave one customer a discount they'd have to do it for everybody now wouldn't they.
    I disagree with your last statement. I don't think that a bike dealer (or anyone else for that matter) has to honor everyone's request for a better deal....nor does everybody ask for them. I generally ask because of the following reasons:

    I know that in most cases there is room to move.

    I know of others who have gotten some good deals just by asking.

    It's a sign of good faith on the part of the dealer which will have me reccomend the shop to others.

    I do my own repair and installations so if the bike dealer offers to air up my tires or tighen up the brakes for me....that's a non issue. If they gave the bike completely disassembled, I would be more than capable to putting it together and fine tuning it myself.

    Now...I do agree that these small shops need to make a living, and I am not encouraging anyone from going to nickel and dime these shops to death.


    Now, as far as the Pro Bike dealer and the photos ripped off from the Cannondale site....most of the bike net sites I've been to feature the same photos (in some cases linked directly to the Cannondale jpeg) so I'm not sure that's cause for alarm. The fact that the web site has all of the Cannondale models does not necessarily mean that they stock them all. Some might need to be special ordered from the factory.

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    That is the right question.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo4266
    damion - If they are not an authorized dealer what would that do to the warranty? What is a Lupine 2006? I get a free one with the purchase of a Rush. Appears to be some light set.

    I very well may void the warranty. On the Cannondale boxes it is stated that the bike must be assembled by an authorized dealer..... I am not sure what to say...
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    Buying from Europe

    I don't know anything about the Cannondales. I do know there are mtbrs from the USA buying from Europe because it cheaper and no Value Added Tax.

    Some European deals are here:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/C...CategoryID=576

    Mtbrs who have bought have posted here:

    XT M760 w/BB

    You'll probably see more price competition as buying and selling gets easier to do internationally.

    Edit:

    You'll also probably see more scams too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damion
    I very well may void the warranty. On the Cannondale boxes it is stated that the bike must be assembled by an authorized dealer..... I am not sure what to say...
    I would ask about the method of payment, acting very interested. Offer escrow.com..If they counter with some escrow service youve never heard of...Scam
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    Quote Originally Posted by damion
    I very well may void the warranty. On the Cannondale boxes it is stated that the bike must be assembled by an authorized dealer..... I am not sure what to say...
    Some warranties are better than the original.

    Friend of mine bought a Cannondale from Costco. Apparently a truckload of Cannondales bound for China got sold to Costco. Cannondale threw a tantrum and declared that they would not honor the lifetime warranty on any bikes bought from Costco. Costco will honor any warranty by the original manufacturer regardless what the manufacturer says. About 3 years later the frame broke. Friend called Cannondale who told him tough sh@t about any bike bought from Costco. Friend took the broken frame with Costco receipt to Costco where he got a full cash refund.

    What so insane about this deal is he made money on it. He paid $600 for the bike. He only took the frame back to Costco and got $600. He went a bought a $99 Supergo frame and transferred most of the components from the broken Cannondale to the $99 frame.

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    Ok, I think this is a scam. The big alarm bell is the fact that they don't accept credit cards but only money transfers from bank to bank.

    Seemed too good to be true!

    Oh well....back to the LBS! Let's see if I can get them to throw in a tire lever for my $1600!!!

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    no way these prices are insanely good for europe i realy wanted this to be legit

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    DId you notice that some of the pictured Cannondale bikes are Gary Fisher Cakes ??

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    Domain Registration Information:

    Domain Name.......... probikedepot.com
    Creation Date........ 2006-06-02
    Registration Date.... 2006-06-02
    Expiry Date.......... 2007-06-02
    Organisation Name.... Thomas E. Chaney
    Organisation Address. 19575 S W 320 St
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    Organisation Address. Homestead
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    Admin Name........... Thomas E. Chaney
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    I looked this address: Calle de la Palma # 67 45800 Madrid, from google map and it turned out that that address doesn`t exist.

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    I don't know for spain, but i ordered stuff from german online stores without problem, and they usually refuse credit cards, I think because credit card transactions are heavily taxed there.
    I don't know about this site though, it might be a screwup.

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    the FAKE pro bike

    I am the BELGIAN VICTIM of the FAKE COMPANY !!!!!!

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    Can you give us some details of what happened with Pro Bike?

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    I ordered I paid I still don't received the GIANT STP DISC 2006

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    my last message to them was : am i the VICTIM of SOMETHING......
    they answered me : "please explain we don't understand ????"

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    that was 3 weeks ago
    somewhere also 3 weeks ago i ordered in BRASIL 2 t-shirts from a CAPOEIRA club
    within 5 "five" days I received the package !!!!
    here in Belgium was a program on television about fraude on the internet
    the most came from MADRID but the order and the payement was already done !!!

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    Hello!

    I also think it is a scam, because at the time that they usuali send e-mail is 2 in the morning CET. And they did not want me to go and pick the bike bymy self, but they insisted on sending it by DHL. Here are their e-mails (in reverse order-from bottom up):

    Dear ProBike Customer,

    We ship all items with UPS Express insured.
    Your order will be shipped in a maximum of 48 hours after we have received your
    payment.Time in transit It may vary between 2-3 days depends on your location.
    As we are dealers, not retailers, our prices are lower than ones found in the stores.
    This is why we cannot allow pickups as a part of the contract we have with stores we are
    selling our items at. This deal can be finalized by direct shipping only.We can also ship Fedex, USPS, Dhl, Ems.


    Best regards,

    ProBike Team

    www.bikesarea.com


    Sunday, July 23, 2006, 11:18:03 PM, you wrote:

    JS> I need C Rush 1000 size L. I will be in Spain next week, can
    JS> You please tell me the exact location of the shop (if You have it
    JS> marked up on a map or something would be great), so that I can go
    JS> there and pick up my bike?

    JS>

    JS> Best Regards

    JS>

    JS> Jurij

    JS>

    JS> On 7/24/06, ProBike Ltd. <sales@bikesarea.com> wroteear ProBike Customer,

    JS> The shipping to the Slovenia will be 120.00 EUR using UPS
    JS> Expedited for a fully assembled bicycle.
    JS> Please let us know via e-mail what size and color are you interested in.

    JS> There are no additional import taxes or extra charges for items shipped from EU.
    JS> We made business with lots of EU customers and they all
    JS> received the items without paying extra fees. Nobody had a
    JS> complaint regarding the taxes or something like that. So you don't have to worry about it.


    JS> Best regards,

    JS> ProBike Team

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    PRO BIKE "the ONE and ONLY FAKE

    hi fellows from the mountain bikers over the world......
    about the PRO BIKE matter
    i contacted my bank correspondent and she found out that the account was already
    closed by the Spanish bank because they suspected FRAUDE in this case.
    so my money is still on the spanish account and the persons from pro bike
    cannot get to the money....
    now i must go to the POLICE with all my paperwork and within a few months i will get my money back....:
    SO DON'T LET THEM FOOL YOU TOO....
    because my daughter told me they are STILL trying if you contact them....
    greetzzzzz from GRAMPS and his grandson

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    Bikesarea news

    Hello,

    I am from Portugal and during my holidays I went to Madrid and visit la calle de la Palma 67 I could no see nothing compare to a Bike shop. I asked to several people in this street and no one knows anything about a shop or anything else.
    All the info provided by them has a lot o mistakes. If you want I cloud send you the photos.

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    pro bike fake

    as i told a few mails ago
    THE SHOP DOES NOT EXIST
    HOPING THEY DON'T MAKE ANYMORE VICTIMS LIKE ME MYSELF AND I
    GREETZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    FRANK

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    Stung...

    I just got stung. Part of me knew it was too good to be true; Spesh Stumpjumper for €600. What am I thinking. Probike. B*****DS! They are still claiming its on route though.

    Now to the bank to see what can be done...

    If anyone knows the best way to go about getting this money back please post it! Or if theres any new word on what the situation is with Probike post it up.

    And how do we tell everyone its fake? How can we get the site taken down?

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    Pro(contra)bike

    PRO BIKE IS FAKE
    fellow bikers,
    here's frankieke again...i went to the POLICE
    they told me i had to go to the COURT with all my documents as evidence
    that will be next week .
    i will inform you

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    Probike Is Fake

    PROBIKE IS FAKE.

    I ordered a giant Reign 3 and i am in a similar situation to Frank.
    I am in the early stages of dealing with the police. Will keep you updated.


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    Can we get one of the moderators around here to create a sticky for this? I think it's very important that everyone be aware that Pro Bike is ripping good people off, and to warn any newcomers who might not necessarily check the Cannondale thread about this scam.

    Admin? Moderator? Anyone?

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    I dunno...I guess we can include it in the "highly read" FAQ thread, along with any other scam sites we know of.. Thing is it boils down to 'if its too good to be true' ...
    Pretty much all these guys operate on scam wire transfer or bogus escrow sites.... They refuse to provide real addresses and sometimes even phone #'s, and also ALWAYS refuse to use escrow.com , calling it a 'fake' or 'troubled' site...Thats a big tip-off for me ...
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    There seems to be more than one scam website out there. Also be aware of summerbicycle.com. They are acting in a very similar way and are offering very low prices
    Last edited by dip20; 08-07-2006 at 12:07 PM.

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    No good Spanish bank account

    Quote Originally Posted by frankieke
    hi fellows from the mountain bikers over the world......
    about the PRO BIKE matter
    i contacted my bank correspondent and she found out that the account was already
    closed by the Spanish bank because they suspected FRAUDE in this case.
    so my money is still on the spanish account and the persons from pro bike
    cannot get to the money....
    now i must go to the POLICE with all my paperwork and within a few months i will get my money back....:
    SO DON'T LET THEM FOOL YOU TOO....
    because my daughter told me they are STILL trying if you contact them....
    greetzzzzz from GRAMPS and his grandson
    Frankieke,
    I have fallen for the same con it seems, but I may have paid the money into the same account as you, which you say has been stopped. Can you reveal any details of the bank account so I can see if it is the same one. I have contacted the police and they are looking into it.
    Yours Hoping
    dip20
    Last edited by dip20; 08-07-2006 at 12:43 PM.

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    Probike response

    I have just recieved an email response from the "Probike Team" to say they have not recieved my payment even though they have taken the bank transfer. Seems they are still dealing and still in denial and still not producing any bikes.

    dip20

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    Quote Originally Posted by dip20
    There seems to be more than one scam website out there. Also be aware of summerbicycle.com. They are acting in a very similar way and are offering very low prices
    http://www.summerbicycle.com

    FAKE SCAM FAKE SCAM FAKE SCAM << for the benifit of anyone googleing

    Their published address is...

    SummerBicycle Inc.
    73 New Oxford Street
    London, WC1A 1BS United Kingdom

    ie here

    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.sr...=newsearch.srf

    There is no summer bicycle there.. I know as I was on that street today

    also if you do a whois on the domains

    Creation date: 29 Jul 2006 10:12:24 >> that means the site is only 5 weeks old.

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    Progress (maybe)

    To all bikers who have been scammed,
    After giving some of the evidance of my own and replies from this website the police are now looking into the case. They will be consulting with the Spanish and American authorities with regards to Probikes activities, but my case is obviously not the only one and everyone needs to make ot known to their Police authorities to give the case a bit more clout. If there are a lot more complaints to the Spanish and American police they will take more of an interest and might get somewhere.
    If anyone from Probike is watching be aware, they are now on your case!!!
    Yours Hoping,
    dip20

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    Probike is fake

    Hi Dip, i have also been a victim of the probike scumbags. could you post info of the account you payed into so i know if it is the same one i payed. I hope this account has been closed and i can get my money back. I have reported it to the police and my bank. Hopefully these people will be caught.

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    Hello,

    All the complet info that they sent:

    he comments for your order are

    Make payable via Bank transfer to:

    Lenuta Mihaela Bujor

    Account: 1600064855
    Routing: 2077-1293-61

    Swift: CVALESVVXXX

    IBAN: ES02-2077-1293-6116-0006-4855

    Bank Name: Bancaja

    Main Bank Address:
    Banco Bancaja
    Paseo de la chopera #77
    Zip: 28100
    Madrid
    Espana*

    Salut

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    My bank details were
    ES75-2090-5530-17-0090002257
    Swift CAAMES2A

    Looks as though they are using many different bank accounts

    dip

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    Probike is Fraud

    This was the info i got sent.


    Lenuta Mihaela Bujor

    Account: 0291510301
    Routing: 0182-0390-50

    Swift: BBVAESMMXXX

    IBAN: ES58-0182-0390-5002-9151-0301

    Bank Name: Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria

    Main Bank Address:
    Banco BBVA
    Calle de la Palma # 67
    Zip: 28100
    Madrid
    Espana

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    BBVA- Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria

    Hello,

    There is no Bank (BBVA- banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria) in the Calle de la Palma 67. I know because I was there in July and in this door number I only found a Bodega and a Dressing store.

    The name Lenuta Mihaela Bujor isn't a Spanish name. According a research I made is a Romanian name.

    Like the Italian people say: ES UNA BUFALA!!!

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    hello, i live in spain.
    nobody here knows this shop, and in spanish forums all people knows is a scam shop because of there are members have been scammed.

    excuse my lenguage.

    DON'T BUY ˇˇˇˇˇ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karve
    http://www.summerbicycle.com

    FAKE SCAM FAKE SCAM FAKE SCAM << for the benifit of anyone googleing
    Has anyone here gone to the police with this one? I see it is located in Malaysia,
    so this could prove complicated...

    And yes, they are definately a scam.

    ming

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    Just a thought but why has this not been moved to one of the main forums instead of sitting in the Cannondale forum?

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    Sabotage Probike!

    This works for wrecking the site a bit:
    Go into the site and write a review on any bike. In the review say the site is FAKE and crap, etc. I got mine up on the main page of probike for a couple of days!!

    Just keep doing it with random bikes. Something good will come of it!

    At least we're doing something. Unless anyone knows of a way to contact Google and tell them they're part of a scam in directing people there, its about all we can do for now!

    Good hunting...

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    Another scammer's attempt: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlogic40QQhtZ-1

    They're supposedly a bike shop out of Cheyenne, WY, and they're moving out all of the '06 models to make room for the '07's.

    www.gerrardsbikes.com <-- check out their address... turns out to be a pizza place/truck stop LOL!

    Be careful out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupraTuRD
    Another scammer's attempt: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlogic40QQhtZ-1

    They're supposedly a bike shop out of Cheyenne, WY, and they're moving out all of the '06 models to make room for the '07's.

    www.gerrardsbikes.com <-- check out their address... turns out to be a pizza place/truck stop LOL!

    Be careful out there!
    Seems ebay has taken prompt action and deleted the fraudulent 312 listings. Great work!

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    Today alone I Have reported something like 7 users accounts that were hijacked by the 'bikesorder@netzero.net' guy.
    And possibly two more by another guy using a completely different email address claiming to be in Michigan...Likely a scammer. Two completely different users with the same text in the auction? And each having like 6 Scalpels for sale?
    CDT

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    Probike fake shop

    This person is now using www.mybikesshop.com and www.probike.com I think with a different address in Madrid, Alcalde sainz de baranda 16, 28013 (wrong code for street!) madrid.

    In my opinion this should be made as public as possible to the biking community.

    Log on or register to as many bike forums as possible and get it stickied!!

    my 2p

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    PROBIKE Barcelona: Reputable

    After seeing multiple posts regarding this Probike mail-order scam and its Spanish connections, I really felt compelled to post and say that we in Barcelona have an excellent and reputable bike shop named PROBIKE.

    I'm pretty sure they don't do mail-order, but I know they are affiliated with the Hedshok 88 clinic and probably do Lefty servicing by mail, so if anybody over here has heard of them, don't fear, they are trustworthy shop with years of experience.

    Again, there is no connection between some scumbag m*********ers ripping off bikers and the LBS PROBIKE in Barcelona!

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