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    Thanks for the info guys. Maybe the ebay gods will smile on me. My last attempt bagged me a 96 carbon which I realised wasn't suitable. Sad ending long story short I built it up as a lightweight trail bike and my wife pinched it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey everyone. I'm considering moving up to disc brakes. Mendon recommended to me that I should look at the Avid BB 5 or 7 mech discs. For you guys with hydraulics, are they a pain in the ass? The cable routing looks very wonky from what I can tell. Do you ever get the lines caught in your pedals or on anything else on the trail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey everyone. I'm considering moving up to disc brakes. Mendon recommended to me that I should look at the Avid BB 5 or 7 mech discs. For you guys with hydraulics, are they a pain in the ass? The cable routing looks very wonky from what I can tell. Do you ever get the lines caught in your pedals or on anything else on the trail?
    I can't help you with questions on hydraulics, but I've got nothing but love for my BB7s. So easy to install and setup and I've been satisfied with their stopping power. I've ridden some pretty steep stuff out here in CO and I just have the 160mm rotors and still had plenty of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey everyone. I'm considering moving up to disc brakes. Mendon recommended to me that I should look at the Avid BB 5 or 7 mech discs. For you guys with hydraulics, are they a pain in the ass? The cable routing looks very wonky from what I can tell. Do you ever get the lines caught in your pedals or on anything else on the trail?
    I am not sure why there would be problems with routing the hydraulic lines...I just route mine in the same location as the old brake lines. If you buy a new set, the rear lines might be longer than you need, you will either have to trim it or bundle it in front at the handle bar I guess.

    My only "problem" is deciding on keeping the Hayes 9 or using the Hope Mini that is sitting on the shelf.

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    Hydros are easy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey everyone. I'm considering moving up to disc brakes. Mendon recommended to me that I should look at the Avid BB 5 or 7 mech discs. For you guys with hydraulics, are they a pain in the ass? The cable routing looks very wonky from what I can tell. Do you ever get the lines caught in your pedals or on anything else on the trail?
    I built my Uber with Juicy Carbons, 203mm up front and 160 in the rear. The setup was easy... I just reamed the existing cable stays on the frame to fit the hydro cables... the Jekyll swingarm was already set up to run discs, so it was a snap to route the cables and the end result came out very clean. FYI, I did have to cut the hoses a bit, as they were a little long. I can't speak for hydro vs. cable actuated, since I've never run the BB5/7 variety, but the hydros, thus far, have been great! Well, aside from the annoying Avid turkey gobble, etc. but from what I hear, that is even an issue with the cable actuated brakes as well.

    Once set up properly, the hydros should give you solid performance and reliability for at least a season, maybe more, before requiring maintenance. The only issue I've seen was when my buddy, who is a novice, dragged his rear brake down a long fast downhill and cooked the fluid, fried the pads, and blued the rotor. I replaced the fluid with Motul 5.1, installed new pads, and he eventually replaced the rotor (although I don't think that last step was necessary). The brakes now perform at least as good as new, if not better. Yes, it is a PITA to bleed the hydros (Avids at least), but if you don't cook them, you don't have to do it very often.

    IMO discs, in whatever flavor you choose (cable or hydro), are superior to rim brakes in every way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey everyone. I'm considering moving up to disc brakes. Mendon recommended to me that I should look at the Avid BB 5 or 7 mech discs. For you guys with hydraulics, are they a pain in the ass? The cable routing looks very wonky from what I can tell. Do you ever get the lines caught in your pedals or on anything else on the trail?

    Avid BB7's are so nice and have tons upon tons of power. Look at price point they usually have great deals on them. They are also super easy to setup. I highly recommend them.

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    Thanks for the replies everyone! I think I'm going the mechanical route first. I understand the BB 5 is the BB 7 without some adjustments. Does anyone know what the specific differences between the two are?

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    BB5 doesn't have a inner adjustment knob. ( the side closest to the spokes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by toyota200x
    BB5 doesn't have a inner adjustment knob. ( the side closest to the spokes)
    I can get a BB7 for $25 more than the BB5. Is it worth the extra $25 to have the inner adjustment?
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    BB5s use different pads too. I've read replacement pads for BB5s are much harder to find, but that was a couple years back. Might be more available now.

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    I have BB5's and they have the dual pad adjustment(s).

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    An Uber V will change what you expect from a brake. It did for me. I ran Avids for years. They IMO are not as refined or as accurate as a hydraulic brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcamb
    An Uber V will change what you expect from a brake. It did for me. I ran Avids for years. They IMO are not as refined or as accurate as a hydraulic brake.
    Each is own. I feel just the opposite. The hydraulic made it feel twitchy. I went back to the mechanical's. It just feels right.

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    Hey guys, I found a couple things for pretty good prices that you might be interested in for an Uber V on another boards classified ads:

    1) Manitou 7.5" x 2" 4-Way Swinger Air for $25

    2) Avid BB7 6" disc brakes - $50

    I've got no connection to them, I just saw the shock for that price in that size and thought about you guys. Shoot me a PM if you want me to give you the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcamb
    An Uber V will change what you expect from a brake...

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    jeffj, gimme the info on the bb7's. I call dibs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    jeffj, gimme the info on the bb7's. I call dibs!
    Check your PM's
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Hey guys, I found a couple things for pretty good prices that you might be interested in for an Uber V on another boards classified ads:

    1) Manitou 7.5" x 2" 4-Way Swinger Air for $25

    2) Avid BB7 6" disc brakes - $50

    I've got no connection to them, I just saw the shock for that price in that size and thought about you guys. Shoot me a PM if you want me to give you the lead.
    His ad says he doesn't have the rotor bolts or the adapter bolts. Am I FUBAR without them or are they pretty common?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    His ad says he doesn't have the rotor bolts or the adapter bolts. Am I FUBAR without them or are they pretty common?
    The adaptor bolts should be available at any decent bike shop or even hardware store (socket head cap screws - metric) and the rotor bolts should also be readily available at abbike shop or online (they are normally a torx head and have some blue locktite on them). It sure wouldn't stop me from buying them at that price.

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    Hey jeffj do you have an account at that forum? I tried instant messaging him and he's not answering....maybe you can forward my email to him? I can pm it to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey jeffj do you have an account at that forum? I tried instant messaging him and he's not answering....maybe you can forward my email to him? I can pm it to you.
    I can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    I can do that.
    jeffj, thank you for taking care of that. The guy emailed me back and said I could meet him in California somewhere. I'm in Maryland. I guess some people have never heard of Paypal and USPS? He may work it out though. I'll keep my fingers crossed...

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    It's Christmas in September and I'm going to get my Uber on!

    Check out what's headed my way. Unbelievable price too!


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    Swing-arm swap-out question: how far do I haveta go?

    I was contemplating the swing-arm swap and am curious: is it possible to leave the bottom bracket in place? Seems like all I absolutely have to remove is the right side crank arm and chainrings, then un-bolt the swing-arm bolt. I have new bearings for the swingarm. Any advice on what else I should do while she's apart?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    I was contemplating the swing-arm swap and am curious: is it possible to leave the bottom bracket in place? Seems like all I absolutely have to remove is the right side crank arm and chainrings, then un-bolt the swing-arm bolt. I have new bearings for the swingarm. Any advice on what else I should do while she's apart?
    Correct. You do not have to remove the BB or the left crank to change the swingarm. Make sure not to lose the spacers that are between the bearings and the frame when you remove the swingarm. You'll have to use them again with the new swingarm. Grease everything liberally when you put it back together.

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    Uber V Decals




    Got my custom made Uber V decals in the mail today! Everyone needs to holla at my boy Ryan who is an awesome graphic artist and charges reasonable prices to boot! As you can see, he matched up the font on my '97 Super V perfectly and he can do the same for you. You can reach him at fox_racing0690@hotmail.com.

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    Just a pic of my UberV..



    A place I had fun with it..

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    I haven't ridden my uber in a week. I was in England all last week and then the long travel day back and jet lag has had me dead tired the last couple days. I am riding tomorrow, I don't care how I feel.

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    Jdcamb, looks nice! What state are you in? Ryguy79, welcome back to the real world! Hope you get over that jet lag soon.

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    I slept for 11 hours last night. feeling back to normal. Takes a few days to get over a 7 hour time difference. I left London just about the time I felt normal there just to get all jacked up again. Weather here in CO looks GREAT today...its going to be a great day for a nice long ride.

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    What are the odds of sticking a Prophet swingarm on the Super V??? I just called Cannondale, and they don't have any Jeckell Swingarms in-stock... They're willing to build me one for $275. I have access right now to a Prophet swingarm for $100. The ears (frame mount) is dimensionally the same. This Prophet swingarm is 1 inch longer than the Super V bonded one (which is what I have).

    Long before I realized there was such a thing as a Uber, I was working on bolting a 7.875 inch Fox Vanilla RC to my Super V frame. It required some AutoCAD work to keep the dimensions the same as the original 6.5 inch air shock. I haven't cut the original mount yet, because I realized about half way through, that I have the bonded swingarm and that it wouldn't take the punishment that I would give it with additional travel.

    By the way, with my mount the 7.875 inch shock (2 inch travel), and the bonded swingarm, I get 5.75 inches rear wheel travel.

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    I guess my idea on the Prophet swingarm is a NO GO... The offset is different. So much for that. I guess I'll stick to Ebay or buy a new one. I finally got a set of Hope mono mini (rear) and M4 (front) and got out on it a little in the yard... Pretty awsome!

    I replaced my DLR with a Fox Vanilla RC2

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    I flatted the rear tire, despite a slimed tube, on my ride today. Trail runner with headphones didn't hear me coming from behind on a downhill. The trail was wide enough to pass, and I slowed to a reasonable speed, but I had to take a wonky line through sharp rocks and I snagged one funny and tore the tire. Gash was too big to seal. So I had a fun walk back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Jdcamb, looks nice! What state are you in?

    New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shag555
    I replaced my DLR with a Fox Vanilla RC2
    Nice.

    Contact mendoncyclesmith (Craig) about a swingarm. I believe he's got a couple in stock. His shop's closed this week because he's at Interbike but he'll be back on Friday or Saturday.

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    RW - Thanks!

    Soon as I get a swingarm, I'll post a couple of pics. This bike already rocks. As I indicated earlier, I changed out the Lefty for a Fox 36 RC2, and changed up the original stem for a 50mm downhill type. The stem really changed the bike in being twitchy. I never really liked how fast this bike reacted, even though it was my main trail rig for 8 seasons. I'm still running the Fox Float in the rear, so I can't wait to get a Jeckell swingarm and implement my mount and Fox RC2, just another chapter toward perfection with this frame. It'll be an awsome all mountain setup when finshed.

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    Photos on my excursions today








    I have some pics of my ride today. It was about 10 miles of up and down single track and I had a hell of a time getting out of the Candy C's! It's a little slower than I'd like. I fell on my face 3 times.....one time my head slammed into a log. Glad I was wearing a helmet.

    I had been using clips until I just changed the cranks to Deore Hollowtech this weekend. I also change the seat post to Truvativ XR? and the handlebar will be Truvativ XC. You may remember the seat and the pedals from my Killer V I parted out. I was waiting for the stem for my lefty to arrive and it just did.

    Lefty and Jekyll frame show up tomorrow or the next day I believe. BTW, after Mendon and RW420 cut the tabs, I'm having it powder coated Sparkle Sky Blue and thowing a 7.5" Manitou 4-way on it with the Jekyll rear I got. Thanks JeffJ for the link. I'm also getting his BB7's So the tranformation begins......
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    Would anyone here know what the offset is on the Prophet swingarm? I considered using this swingarm in the not too long ago past, but Cdale Tech told me that the offset was completely different. I found a picture on Ebay showing only a Prophet frame from the rear, and, clearly the bottom bracket is what is offset on the frame. I don't know if there's any offset built into the swingarm or not, and I guess that's my question.

    I think I can mill an offset into the swingarm mount on my Super V, then use a milled out spacer opposite to accomodate it, without modifying the Prophet swingarm. The key is getting the swingarm from the Prophet perfectly centered with the Super V front triangle, and right now I have no idea how much that would take out. It might even be too much to where lateral play comes into consideration.

    On the flip-side of using this swingarm, the rise in the triangle is larger than the Super V and Jeckell, so in looking at the amount of travel I'd get, it's more like 5.1 inches VS 5.5 inches in using the Jeckell Swingarm.

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    Super V riding position..."I fell on my face 3 times....."

    Mogul218: "I fell on my face 3 times.....one time my head slammed into a log. Glad I was wearing a helmet"

    Yeah, I had the same feeling with my SuperV. I swapped the ~200mm stem for a 100mm unit the LBS had layin' around...much better. I also have a '97 model, looks almost exactly the way yours does. "I was waiting for the stem for my lefty to arrive and it just did." I hope the new Lefty stem is shorter...

    Does anybody have a comment on the earlier riding position? I mean, I always felt like I was on the edge of launching over the handlebars on every downhill section. And the extreme forward position made it hard to keep the front end up when going over a drop. What was the philosphy at that time (late 90's) that led to those looooong stems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    I hope the new Lefty stem is shorter...
    As a matter of fact I am going with a 120mm with a 20 degree rise. I'll let you know how it feels.

    The Jekyll frame and Lefty came today so I disassembled it in preparation for the Uber upgrade. Just need some disc brakes and I'm all set!




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    Cool-blue Rhythm My stem is only a hunnert millimeters...

    I got a Thompson 100mm @ 6 degree rise. I'm pretty happy with it. I'm also using a set of handlebars with a little rise to 'em so I don't know if 20 degrees would be a problem with the front tire lifting at times

    BTW, doncha love those 6-inch bar-ends? Mine had those too. I stole a set of short ones from my son's bike. Probly saved at least a pound...

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    I don't know the specs on my stem and bars, but I know its a pretty tall stem and not very long either, plus I've got about an inch of spacers under it. The front of my uber does get a little light on really steep climbs. Its taken a little adjusting of my body position to get comfortable going up steep stuff, but the payoff is huge going downhill. I used to be very tentative on steep descents and often didn't feel like I could get back far enough, but now I can ride down stuff that would have made me really nervous about going OTB pre-uber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shag555
    The key is getting the swingarm from the Prophet perfectly centered with the Super V front triangle, .
    . . . If you go with the SuperV 4000/3000, no machine work is needed to use the prophet/rush swingarm. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by az1jeff
    . . . If you go with the SuperV 4000/3000, no machine work is needed to use the prophet/rush swingarm. .

    WOW! It's time for mendon to build his Uber V 29er with a SV DH Frame and Prophet swingarm!

    Can you put up a profile picture that gives a better view of the geometry?

    How long is the wheelbase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by az1jeff
    . . . If you go with the SuperV 4000/3000, no machine work is needed to use the prophet/rush swingarm. .

    Good one! I always fancied a Super V DH frame, but could never work out how to fit a better swing arm than the industrial one that came standard.

    How have you fixed a front mech???

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    thats way cool

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    jekyll swing arm doesn't work. .

    I have two of these 4000’s and BOTH original swing arms are cracked. Tried using the Jekyll type swing arm but found out the hard way about the offset. That’s why I went with the Rush/Prophet. It was either this, or junk the mainframe. (or find another 4000 swing arm.)

    The Super V 4000’s mainframe pivot is centered, unlike the standard Super V, which is offset. Using a Jekyll swing arm on this mainframe WON’T work because of the offset. This offset does not allow the shock to mount properly. But the Rush/Prophet’s design is also centered which allows for shock alignment with the Rush/Prophet swing arm and front mainframe of this SuperV 4000 (and some 3000's).

    The wheel base grew about 0.75". This is because the Rush and Prophet's swing arm was designed to mount more forward of the BB, while this frame was designed to mount almost centered over the BB. This is a medium frame and the wheel base is 45.5".

    superRushV


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    Well that's totally freaking AWSOME... I just looked at my Super V front triangle / swing arm mount and the offset is only 3/16". What's interesting, is that I believe that the spacer is also 3/16" - which means that there might not be ANY machining to do on the front triangle. The way the mount is, is that it is round and would actually fit where the spacer sits in the swingarm, so that's the reason for me saying that the mount may not need any milling.

    I may have to a wider spacer in on the one side, and a thinner one on the other, as the Super V inside width is 2 1/8", where as the Prophet is 2 1/4". I have to go get the Prophet swingarm late next week (after payday)!

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    Good luck with your endeavours shag555. I prefer the safer bet with Jekyll rear route. Az1Jeff, how has your travel been affected? I noticed you're 1.5" longer than stock. Did it allow for a longer shock to be used? You should call it the Uber RV or Uber VD for (D)ownhill. Looks freaking awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Az1Jeff, how has your travel been affected? I noticed you're 1.5" longer than stock. Did it allow for a longer shock to be used? You should call it the Uber RV or Uber VD for (D)ownhill. Looks freaking awesome!
    Thanks all for the compliments.

    The shock on the rush/prophet was designed to mount at and upward angle, while the superV 4000 was designed to mount at a downward slope. The shock and the swing arm end now are close at this new angle, but do clear each other. Since this swing arm is mounted almost an inch further back, I went with a 216mm eye to eye. (The stock eye to eye on the downhill 4000 is 200mm.) This longer length just made the bike sit right. The stock length shock had the bike “sagging” in the middle and increased the wheel-base even more. I choose the rockshox pearl because I wasn’t sure if the FOX dhx’s piggy back reservoir would fit at that angle. The rear mounting uses a M8 shock mount kit, while the front uses a M6 kit. It took a little tweaking to get the rear balanced with the front, but like I it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by az1jeff
    Thanks all for the compliments.

    The shock on the rush/prophet was designed to mount at and upward angle, while the superV 4000 was designed to mount at a downward slope. The shock and the swing arm end now are close at this new angle, but do clear each other. Since this swing arm is mounted almost an inch further back, I went with a 216mm eye to eye. (The stock eye to eye on the downhill 4000 is 200mm.) This longer length just made the bike sit right. The stock length shock had the bike ďsaggingĒ in the middle and increased the wheel-base even more. I choose the rockshox pearl because I wasnít sure if the FOX dhxís piggy back reservoir would fit at that angle. The rear mounting uses a M8 shock mount kit, while the front uses a M6 kit. It took a little tweaking to get the rear balanced with the front, but like I it.
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    Hey Jeff,
    I have a few questions if you don't mind:
    Do you plan on changing the fork?
    How tall is the bottom bracket (unsagged)?
    Have you deflated the shock and cycled through the stroke to measure the rear wheel travel?
    Do you think it would work as a 29er?

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    Do you plan on changing the fork? Yes. Next month FOX is offering an optional 1.5” steerer on all FOX 36’s. That’s my plan anyway. Although I LOVE the smooth headshok with Magura inside. Just not too practical with this frame now.

    How tall is the bottom bracket (unsagged)? 13”. (I really wanted this tall length for where I ride specifically.)

    Have you deflated the shock and cycled through the stroke to measure the rear wheel travel? Yes and No. Yes, I’ve run the shock through it’s stroke with no air to make absolute sure everything clear’s. It does. No. I have not measured rear travel.

    Do you think it would work as a 29er? My best guess is yes. Maybe next time I’m around a 29” rim, I’ll try one.

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    More Uber V action pics!

    My buddy took some pics of me on the uber tonight. Nothing crazy but we had fun. Hope you enjoy.












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    Four (4) problems exist with mounting a Rush/Prophet swingarm to the 4000 mainframe:

    1. Different size pivot bolts and bearings
    2. Front derailleur location and swing arm clearance.
    3. Shock clearance with new shock mounting angle.
    4. Triple crankset clearance.

    Problem 1. Pivot bolts and bearings.
    The 4000’s stock pivot bolt has a diameter of 17mm. And the swing arm pivot bearings are 17mm (i.d.) X 30mm (o.d). The Rush/Prophet pivot bolt has a diameter of 15mm and its pivot bearings are 15mm (i.d.) X 28mm (o.d.). I had two options: 1. Use the SuperV’s pivot bolt and replace the rush/prophet bearing with size 17mm(superV pivot bolt diameter) X 28mm(rush/prophet swing arm bearing bore size). This option uses the much heavier pivot bolt. And this 17 X 28 bearing is not a standard size. It would have to be custom made and likely expensive. Option 2. The better option, which is what I did, is to use the rush/prophet pivot bolt and sleeve it. I used a 15mm(i.d.) X 17mm(o.d.) dry bearing. Works like it was designed, with zero slack. Cost is 0.74 ea. I preferred to use the updated, lighter rush/prophet pivot bolt and smaller bearings. I used the stock superV pivot spacer’s to hold the dry bearing’s shape while I kept them in the freezer. This made them easy to install into the main frame’s pivot bore.

    Problem 2. Front derailleur.The superV 4000 is a downhill bike by design. It did not come with a front derailleur. I used one part of the existing chain tension mount that came with the frame and cut it down. This piece gave me derailleur pivot adjustment. I used a combination of aluminum angle and round bar to mount it all up to get left-right, and up-down adjustment as well. The derailleur cage must be modified, as the derailleur must mount as far forward as possible to allow for the swing arm to go through it’s full stroke and not interfer with the derailleur. I used a braze on type front derailleur. This type seemed more compact and allowed for a little more clearance and adjustability on the the back side. This is the most labor-intensive part of this modification. Lot’s of measuring, fitting, cutting etc. But if you’re plan is to use this as a downhill bike and don’t need a front derailleur, lucky you.

    Problem 3. Rear shock.
    The shock on the rush/prophet was designed to mount at and upward angle, while the superV 4000 was not. The shock and the swing arm end now are close, but do clear each other. Stock eye to eye length (at least on the frame when I got it) is 190mm. Since this swing arm is mounted almost an inch further back, I went with a 216mm eye to eye. This longer length just made the bike sit right. The shorter stock length shock had the bike “sagging” in the middle and increased the wheel-base even more. I choose the rockshox pearl because I wasn’t sure if the FOX dhx’s would fit at that angle. The rear mounting uses a M8 shock mount kit, while the front uses a M6 kit.

    Problem 4. Chain ring clearance.
    A triple crankset using the standard 22 tooth small ring WILL NOT fit. There just isn’t enough room down there for this size chain ring and the swing arm. To solve this, I used a smaller 20-tooth chain ring. Which works for me as I live where no trails are flat. I choose the Cannondale CODA 900 cranks which use the older style 58/94 BCD. This is a little easier to find a 20 tooth in this BCD. I had to space the crankset out a few mm’s as well. Another option is to simply use a double chain ring setup. Then no problem’s really.

    I like the bike’s existing setup. I love the smooth headshok with Magura inside. But may swap this out for a 2008 FOX 36. Next month FOX is offering an optional 1.5” steerer on all FOX 36’s.

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    New question here. 950 x 1.5 spring on Fox Vanilla rear shock...

    Bought my SuperV three years ago and have always had the odd feeling of having to hang on for dear life whenever I'd hit a bump and have my weight on the seat. Could it be the 950 pound spring on the Fox Vanilla shock? I weigh 165, what weight spring do ya think I should have on there?

    PS I'm in the process of getting a new shock (probably go with an RP23) for the Uber-build, but thought I might grab a new spring in the meantime.

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    Does that shock have any rebound dampening?

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    dunno...a little hard to tell with that much spring


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    if it was adjustable, which is what i meant, you'd probably know. The Vanilla that was stock on my 99 super v 400 and it did not have adjustable rebound and could bounce you a little over bumps in the seat.

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    No, there are no external dampening adjustments

    Sorry, didn't mean to give a flippant answer. It's just a basic early Vanilla. The only thing I've done is adjust the spring pre-load....all the way down! But I haven't decided on which rear shock for the Uber, so I thought a new spring might be a little better in the interim. What spring does your old shock have on it? You need the old one?

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    My old vanilla has a 900 lb spring. I don't need it at all really. The spring always felt alright to me, but I've got about 20 lbs on you.
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    My V

    I just finished this a few minutes ago, it's a 96 and the donor was my 2004 Jekyll. I thought the Jekyll was a little long, and I never rode it. I cant wait to get a good ride in next saturday. I have ridden @ 2 to 3 times in the last 6 years. I started racing motocross and forgot how much fun it is to go biking.

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    Uber Update

    Well, it's almost done. The only thing left are the wheels and discs which should be here any day now. And then to track down a proper rear shock since the one I had a line on fell through.

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    Looks good . Bummer about the shock. I lucked out with the craigs list, I managed to get a deal on quite a few things, but you have to look almost every day, the really good deals go quick. I was looking at that jekyll and lefty you picked up, but I am trying to find another super v. This is what my project was going to look like before I decided to cannibalize?sp the Jekyll.
    I wish you luck finding your shock.

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    Has the design philosphy changed?

    Ryguy, I was surprised to see you had a 900 pound spring on your shock. When I browse the web for used shocks or springs, I never see anything near 900 pounds, mostly stuff in the 350 - 500 pound range. Is this an indication that frame design philosophy has evolved over the past 10 years? I'm guessing that in order to get 5 or 6-inch rear travel you have to have a much lighter spring, and then the rebound dampening has a chance to come into play.

    Of course, me thinking about putting a new spring on a 10-year-old Vanilla shock is probably like rearrangeing the deck chairs on theTitanic...why bother? I will probably grab a Fox RP23 for the Uber-build and never give the old shock another thought. I'm just looking for the right deal and not sure how long to wait for a sale. Anybody care to recommend a site that has good prices on Fox shocks? Mostly what I see is @ MSRP.

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    Jekyll Frame/Swing Arm Alert!


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    My Uber First Ride

    Rode my Uber V for the first time today. Absolutely amazing! I didn’t get off to a good start though. While waiting for my buddy to get ready, I started doing wheelies in the parking lot. The front of the bike was easy to get lifted; almost too easy. Before I knew what happened, I flipped over and landed on my back all while still clipped in. The Camelbak softened the fall and I picked myself up with a bruised ego.

    The bike is a 99 Super V in Industrial Gray. The fork is a 07 Fox Talas 32 RLC. The rear shock is a 08 Fox DHX 5.0 Air. The fork is mounted to a Chris King headset with a Gemini reducer. Stem is a Thomson 90mm 5 degree. Answer ProTaper 2” risers complete the steering.

    The trail I was on started with a moderate uphill climb which I noticed immediately was much easier than when on the stock V. As time went on, I became more confident and attacked steep rocky inclines. The bike was a little light in the front but once I got off my seat the bike just dug in and climbed. Rocks that I would normal go around I just rolled over. I’m not the first to say this, but it really does climb like a mountain goat.

    Words can’t express how great the bike is on down hills. Sections of steep down hill that I would usually be on the brakes I just flew down. My confidence was so high that I had to tell myself to take it easy. Found a two foot drop-off that I just kept doing over and over again. Never did any drop offs before. I did notice the tail seems a little soft but not bad for a first time out. The bike just flew over roots and rocks. I was able to pick up speed over sections that would usually slow me down. Further into the trail was another two foot drop that I did at least ten times. It gave me a chance to practice landings. All my buddies could do was go around the drop-off.

    On the way back we have a section of trail that drops a rocky three feet onto a wavy rock ledge. Many years ago I saw someone ride this drop onto the ledge and keep going. I never would have done this with my stock V. In fact, it would have been a guaranteed endo and a collision with solid rock at the bottom. Approaching the edge, I didn’t hesitate. Got off the back of the seat and let the fork take the initial hit at the bottom. I was so thrilled at having done it that I missed my line for the rest of the ledge. Not a problem since I went back and did it two more times just to make sure it wasn’t a fluke.

    On a scale of one to ten this bike is a twelve. This upgrade has transformed the bike to an incredible new level. I can’t wait to take it out again. Many thanks to rw420 for helping me get this bike together. I couldn’t have done without his assistance. I’ll post pictures after I bring my camera out for the next ride.

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    Congrats on getting your uber out on the trail. Your description of how it climbs is exactly spot on.

    I'm so happy with mine. I'm cleaning stuff both up and down that I would have walked pre-uber.

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    I found a crack in my bonded swingarm. It's only a small hairline running through the webbing where the front derailer cable runs up through it. I was told by a dealer that C'dale would probably replace the whole frameset, BUT WITH WHAT??? Anybody have experience with this - whished they'd give me a Jeckell swingarm - or even at a discounted price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    Rode my Uber V for the first time today. Absolutely amazing! I didnít get off to a good start though. While waiting for my buddy to get ready, I started doing wheelies in the parking lot. The front of the bike was easy to get lifted; almost too easy. Before I knew what happened, I flipped over and landed on my back all while still clipped in. The Camelbak softened the fall and I picked myself up with a bruised ego.

    The bike is a 99 Super V in Industrial Gray. The fork is a 07 Fox Talas RLC fork. The rear shock is a 08 Fox DHX 5.0 Air. The fork is mounted to a Chris King headset with a Gemini reducer. Stem is a Tompson 90mm 5 degree. Answer ProTaper 2Ē risers complete the steering.

    The trail I was on started with a moderate uphill climb which I noticed immediately was much easier than when on the stock V. As time went on, I became more confident and attacked steep rocky inclines. The bike was a little light in the front but once I got off my seat the bike just dug in and climbed. Rocks that I would normal go around I just rolled over. Iím not the first to say this, but it really does climb like a mountain goat.

    Words canít express how great the bike is on down hills. Sections of steep down hill that I would usually be on the brakes I just flew down. My confidence was so high that I had to tell myself to take it easy. Found a two foot drop-off that I just kept doing over and over again. Never did any drop offs before. I did notice the tail seems a little soft but not bad for a first time out. The bike just flew over roots and rocks. I was able to pick up speed over sections that would usually slow me down. Further into the trail was another two foot drop that I did at least ten times. It gave me a chance to practice landings. All my buddies could do was go around the drop-off.

    On the way back we have a section of trail that drops a rocky three feet onto a wavy rock ledge. Many years ago I saw someone ride this drop onto the ledge and keep going. I never would have done this with my stock V. In fact, it would have been a guaranteed endo and a collision with solid rock at the bottom. Approaching the edge, I didnít hesitate. Got off the back of the seat and let the fork take the initial hit at the bottom. I was so thrilled at having done it that I missed my line for the rest of the ledge. Not a problem since I went back and did it two more times just to make sure it wasnít a fluke.

    On a scale of one to ten this bike is a twelve. This upgrade has transformed the bike to an incredible new level. I canít wait to take it out again. Many thanks to rw420 for helping me get this bike together. I couldnít have done without his assistance. Iíll post pictures after I bring my camera out for the next ride.

    Rich
    Excellent! So glad to hear that you're using the Uber as it was intended.
    Can't wait to see the pictures!

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    road trip!

    jdcamb, ajm, and I just got back from an incredible 4-day tour. We has 5 incredible rides on awesome singletrack-

    Mahlon Dickerson Reservation
    Jefferson Township, NJ

    Hartshorne Woods Park
    Atlantic Highlands, NJ

    Chimney Rock / Washington Valley Park
    Martinsville, NJ

    Round Valley Reservation / Cushetunk Mountain
    Lebanon, NJ

    Merli Sarnoski Park / Fell Mountain
    Carbondale, PA

    Here's a picture of the Ubers on the top of a trail called 'Heart Rate 280' at Merli Sarnoski-
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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    Excellent! So glad to hear that you're using the Uber as it was intended.
    Can't wait to see the pictures!
    I'm going out again tomorrow. One of my other buddies who saw how great the bike worked realized he needed a new bike if he was to keep up. He bought an Ibex the next day.

    I really like jumping with this bike. But my Mavic 223 wheels aren't going to take it much longer. I'm thinking of getting a set of Industry Nine All Mountain wheels. I'll have to save up though maybe in time for the spring.

    BTW, nice road trip picture. Any riding stories?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    BTW, nice road trip picture. Any riding stories?
    Everything actually went perfectly. The weather was fantastic. The trails we chose were just right. The GPS kept us from getting lost on the way to the trailheads (and the hotels). We found reliable trail maps online and we had ridden some of the places before so we never got too lost in the woods either. We didn't have any major mechanicals. Not even one flat tire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    It is still priced pretty low. Somebody from the Uber community needs to grab this.

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    ... and if we just ... Ubered!!!!

    Okay, here is a before and after of the almost complete Uber project. The 'A' is missing off the Cannondale decal cause my Saris Bones rubbed it off. It's a bit tricky carrying this thing on a trunk rack!




    Only thing left is to have Mendon and RW420 cut the tabs so I can throw a 7.5 air shock on the back. I have some Panaracer Fire XC's with the yellow sidewalls being delivered this week. SWEET!!!

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    Looks really good. I was thinking of getting a jupiter 5 coil over shock from Risse Racing. It is a 6.5x1.75 which would give about 5.25in of travel without having to cut any tabs. The travel would also match the front 5.5in from your lefty max nicely. I haven't called for availability yet because we are going on vacation for 10 days and don't like things to come while I'm away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie1972
    Looks really good. I was thinking of getting a jupiter 5 coil over shock from Risse Racing. It is a 6.5x1.75 which would give about 5.25in of travel without having to cut any tabs. The travel would also match the front 5.5in from your lefty max nicely. I haven't called for availability yet because we are going on vacation for 10 days and don't like things to come while I'm away.

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    Let me know how that works out because cutting my tabs is going to be tricky since I have a medium frame. If I can get 5.25" of travel without cutting that would be fine by me. Thanks for the info!

    EDIT: I should add that my Lefty is a Max TPC 130mm which translates to 5.10" of travel and would be perfect with 5.25" of travel on the rear!

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    I also ride a medium. I'll try to call them when I get to Michigan on Friday. Here is a pic, looks like a pretty good shock, my LBS recommended them and so did a friend of mine who is in the motorcycle industry. The only bad thing is if I can get a hold of the shock, I'll need to get the TPC valving(spelling?) kit for my FFD lefty max so I have the same type of tuneability.

    http://www.risseracing.com/coilshocks.shtml

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    Make sure you can mount that if you're using a jekyll swingarm! We found out a DHX coil won't work when I wanted one for mine.

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    What was the problem? Did the remote reservoir hit the seat stay braces? As far as the eye to eye length, it is available in 6.5"X1.75" which is the same as my fox float 6.5"x1.5", just .25" more travel. I guess I'll have to get the dimensions of the shock to be sure of the fit. Thanks for the warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie1972
    What was the problem? Did the remote reservoir hit the seat stay braces? As far as the eye to eye length, it is available in 6.5"X1.75" which is the same as my fox float 6.5"x1.5", just .25" more travel. I guess I'll have to get the dimensions of the shock to be sure of the fit. Thanks for the warning.

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    rw420 test fit a 7.5x2 DHX coil on his uber for me. IIRC he told me that the coil interfered with the swingarm due to the set back mount on the swingarm. I see mogul has a coil shock on his but maybe its a smaller diameter spring or something. rw420 would have more details about why the DHX wouldn't work.

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    I have a fox coil over and have mounted it to check the clearance at the swingarm mount end. The clearance is tight, maybe a mm or two, but if the risse spring is the same diameter it should fit without rubbing(keep in mind I am not altering the eye to eye length so the clearance I have will not change). I will definately look into this, for the 350 I could almost score another super v, so I don't want to waste any money. Thanks again for the responses.

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    Some pictures of my '99 Uber V900

    Finally got around to taking some pictures. This bike goes like a

    Current specs listed. More upgrades to come over the winter after I recover from the cost of the Uber

    BTW, the Jekyll swing arm was plastic beaded to remove the paint, then glass beaded for a satin look. Diamond Clear only to seal the aluminum. The result is a metal flake looking finish. After all that, I still want a later Jekyll triangle so I can go to 2.35 tires. In time...

    * Frame Size & Color: Cannondale Super V900, Large, Industrial Gray
    * Fork: 2007 Fox Talas II 32 RLC 140/120/100
    * Rear Shock: 2008 Fox DHX 5.0 Air 7.5 x 2 w/ProPedal
    * Brakes: 1999 Magura Louise
    * Cranks: Coda
    * Shifters: GripShift Quartz
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano LX
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Pedals: Time ATAC
    * Stem: Thomson 90mm 5 degree
    * Handlebar: Answer ProTaper 2" riser
    * Seatpost: Coda
    * Saddle: Coda
    * Bottom Bracket: ???
    * Cassette: Shimano
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: ???
    * Front Tire: IRC Mythos XC 26 inch 2.10F K
    * Front Rim: Mavic 223
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Coda
    * Rear Tire: IRC Mythos XC 26 inch 2.10F K
    * Rear Rim: Mavic 223
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Coda
    * Weight: 30.5 lbs







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    Looks real nice Stinch!!!

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    Here are some photos of the rig with the new Fire XC's. I'm also going to shamelessly copy Stinch's equipment list and edit my stats in. Thanks Stinch.

    I have also listed my cost on the parts (not including shipping) minus what I sold the original parts for. The cost on the Lefty/Jekyll rear was nothing since I bought the frame/fork combo for $310 and sold the Front tri for $158, my stock swing arm for $26 and my stock Headshok DD50 for $26 and the busted Manitou 3-way shock that came on the Jekyll for $76 plus a Fork Up the seller included that I didn't need for $46. So I actually made $22 so I'll take that off the cost of the Super V.




    * Frame Size & Color: 1997 Cannondale Super V900, Medium, Steel Wool Polished Aluminum $225 - $22 = $203 for the full bike + $0 for the Jekyll Swing Arm (see above)
    * Fork: 2004 Lefty Max TPC 130mm $0 (see above)
    * Rear Shock: 6.5" Fox Vanilla Coil soon to be replaced by a 7.5" air shock once Mendon and RW cut the tabs $31
    * Brakes: 2008 Avid BB7 Mechs $83
    * Cranks: Shimano Deore Hollowtech Octalink 44/34/22 $45
    * Shifters: Deore XT Mega 9 750 $1 (sold my stock 739 8 speeder for 70 cents less than I paid for the 750)
    * Front Derailleur: stock Shimano Deore LX $0
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT 760 $27
    * Pedals: Crank Brothers Candy C's $45
    * Stem: Cannondale Headshok/Lefty 120X20X31.8mm $12
    * Handlebar: Truvativ XR Double Butted $11 + bar ends were $5
    * Seatpost: Truvativ XR Double Clamp $16
    * Saddle: Selle Italia Flite Titanium $25
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano ES30 Octalink118mm $18
    * Cassette: Shimano Deore XT 11-34 $25
    * Headset: stock Cannondale Coda $0
    * Grips: Ritchey Pro Speed Max Locking Grips $8
    * Front/Rear Tires: Panaracer Fire XC 2.1 $36
    * Front/Rear Rims: Mavic XM 117 $101 - $68 for my stock wheels/tires/cassette = $33
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Cannondale SI Lefty Hub $0
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Shimano M475 $0
    * Weight: ?? lbs Have not weighed it yet but my guess is it's under 30lbs

    The total investment so far is $624 so if I keep the 7.5" rear shock under $175 the whole set up cost me under $800 minus some incidentals such as shipping, decals, Mendon's fork service and tab cutting, etc. Not bad huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Here are some photos of the rig with the new Fire XC's. I'm also going to shamelessly copy Stinch's equipment list and edit my stats in. Thanks Stinch.
    I'd like to hear how the Fire XC's perform and the conditions you ride in. The equipment list format came from a post over at the MTBR/All Mountain forum. Helps me remember the details as to what I have (and need to replace).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    The total investment so far is $624 so if I keep the 7.5" rear shock under $175 the whole set up cost me under $800 minus some incidentals such as shipping, decals, Mendon's fork service and tab cutting, etc. Not bad huh?
    I'd say you are doing quite well.
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    Mogul218 - Pretty cool avatar.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    I'd like to hear how the Fire XC's perform and the conditions you ride in.
    The trail I've been riding lately is 10 miles of soft loose dirt singletrack with lots of elevation changes. My previous tires were a Panaracer Smoke/Dart combo and they gave out on me on a turn a couple of weeks ago and I got injured pretty good. I'm not sure if there was too much air in them or what but I was leaning into a turn and the bike just slid out from under me with me still clipped to the pedals. Then my riding buddy rode over me since he was right on my tail. I have a nice scar on the back of my right arm and limped for a few days afterwards as a result. OUCH!

    I rode the same trail on the Fire XC's and was able to take that turn beautifully, although I must say when I came up on it I was a bit more cautious. Overall, the XC's dug in real nice into the singletrack and felt smooth when riding in the paved parking lot. It's a great all around tire as far as I can tell. I don't do a lot of mud or rocks but plan on doing a trail with quite a bit of rock gardens in the next few weeks so I'll report back on how they perform there. Right now so far so good!

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    Mogul218 - Great build! That is one sweet looking V. Thanks for listing the price specs...it's good to know it can actually be done for under a grand and still be speced out nicely.

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    Thanks for the tire review; I ride similar to you here in the Northeast along with rocks and roots. I'll have to consider those tires. Sounds you got beat up quite a bit with that spill. Then to get run over, that really sucks. Glad you made it ok without anything worse. My riding buddy was out with a girl friend last Sunday doing a road trip when a 50-55 year old lady hit him with her car. He got knocked to the ground and got up just in time to see his GF go flying over the hood as this lady proceeds to hit her too. GF went to the hospital and both are recuperating at home. Then the lady takes off and no one knows her license or anything. I still think biking off road has got to be safer. At least there are no cars to run us down.

    I've been tuning my air shocks a bit more carefully and the ride just keeps getting better. Looking forward to taking it out this weekend.

    BTW, any suggestions to eliminating the creaking coming from the area of my DHX air shock? It most likely is the mounting points. Hard to tell since I only hear it while riding. How tight should the shock bolts be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    BTW, any suggestions to eliminating the creaking coming from the area of my DHX air shock? It most likely is the mounting points. Hard to tell since I only hear it while riding. How tight should the shock bolts be?
    Shock mounting bolt should be pretty tight - 106 in-Lbs (12Nm)

    It is sometimes difficult to tell where creaks are coming from with these frames because of the way sounds travel through the huge tubes. Since you've been landing drops more often lately you might also consider checking the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    Finally got around to taking some pictures. This bike goes like a
    Looks great Rich! I see you decided to keep all the HS spacers. Are you happy with the geometry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    Shock mounting bolt should be pretty tight - 106 in-Lbs (12Nm)

    It is sometimes difficult to tell where creaks are coming from with these frames because of the way sounds travel through the huge tubes. Since you've been landing drops more often lately you might also consider checking the BB.
    The bolts were only 40 inch-Lbs and are now at 106. I still hear the creaking, even when I take my feet off the pedals. If it were the BB, would it still creak? It is easy to reproduce only when riding. The bearings in the swing arm are new. Maybe I should check the torque for the big swing arm bolt? If so, what should it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    Maybe I should check the torque for the big swing arm bolt? If so, what should it be?
    Pivot Bolt: Very Tight - 240 in-Lbs

    Sure it's not the saddle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    Looks great Rich! I see you decided to keep all the HS spacers. Are you happy with the geometry?
    The geometry of the bike is excellent. I'm riding down rocks that I used to walk. The adjustable fork really brings the bike to the terrain. I just have to remember to adjust it for the longer climbs/descents. I did a long climb recently twice in one day (which was a first) only to find the fork had been set for 140mm. The bike did fine anyway. Set at 100 and it should be even better.

    So far I haven't found the bike's limitation (or mine). It just eats up whatever I throw at it. I watch some of those crash video's on youtube to remind myself to keep in mind what could happen if I get too confident. I'm putting a new roof on my porch and kept thinking, yeah, I can drop this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    Pivot Bolt: Very Tight - 240 in-Lbs

    Sure it's not the saddle?
    The pivot probably isn't that tight. My wrench only goes to 200 but I should be able use my automotive torque wrench at 20 foot-lbs.. Guess I have to pull the drive crank again. May just wait until I upgrade the BB bearing and crank.

    Interesting thought about the saddle. I removed the saddle/post and took it for a quick ride around the yard. No creak. Wouldn't have thought of that. I'm going to ride it tomorrow to make sure but that was most likely it. Perhaps the post clamp wasn't tight enough. Anyway, thanks, I think it's been narrowed down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    Interesting thought about the saddle. I removed the saddle/post and took it for a quick ride around the yard. No creak. Wouldn't have thought of that. I'm going to ride it tomorrow to make sure but that was most likely it. Perhaps the post clamp wasn't tight enough.
    A light coating of grease over the post and contact points on the seat rails will also help.

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