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    That is a sweet lookin' bike...I like the color scheme wid da silver fork tubes and silver swingarm. Mine is red with yeller lettering...I'm trying to decide what color to paint the swingarm, what color rims, etc. I don't want to tear the whole thing down yet and repaint the frame, but I need something to do this winter. I'm doing the frontend now and will do the rear next. I'll probly ride it til the weather gets bad, then paint it up...but I'm not sure how much I wanna do. Do you know where I can get C'dale decals?

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    my favorite ones are: ajm page1, BigToe page 2, and nic page 4

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    What's the effect on the head tube angle when you use Jekyll swingarm?

    What is the net effect on head tube angle when you do the Jekyll swingarm swap-out? I'm thinking if you use a 6" length rear shock, because of the ~1" extra length allowed by the swingarm you wouldn't have any change in ht angle. I am looking at a 2006 Marzocchi AM1 front fork, which will add 70mm travel over the orig 60mm headslop. What is the original ht angle, and what is the upgraded ht angle?

    But if you swap swingarms and drill the front shock mount, should you then go to a 7 inch rear shock? I understand that re-drilling gains 7/8" shock length. Anybody have specific rear shock suggestions?


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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    What is the net effect on head tube angle when you do the Jekyll swingarm swap-out? I'm thinking if you use a 6" length rear shock, because of the ~1" extra length allowed by the swingarm you wouldn't have any change in ht angle. I am looking at a 2006 Marzocchi AM1 front fork, which will add 70mm travel over the orig 60mm headslop. What is the original ht angle, and what is the upgraded ht angle?
    I'm assuming that you have a long-tab frame: '97, '98 or '00-'02. If you switch to the 130mm Marzocchi and a 6.5"x1.5" rear shock you will end up with about 115mm rear wheel travel and good trailbike geometry. The HT angle should be about 68.5-69 degrees. I rode and loved my white SV that way for years before I figured out that I could do the modification for more travel.

    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    But if you swap swingarms and drill the front shock mount, should you then go to a 7 inch rear shock? I understand that re-drilling gains 7/8" shock length.
    If you drill 7/8" forward and cut the tabs you can use a rear shock that is 1 inch longer with no significant change to geometry. The 7.5"x2.0" rear shock will give you about 155mm rear wheel travel. The reason that you don't drill a full 1" forward is due to the additional sag resulting from the longer stroke shock. A 7.5"x2.0" shock under 25% sag is only 7/8" longer than a 6.5"x1.5" shock under 25% sag.

    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    Anybody have specific rear shock suggestions?
    The Fox DHX Air 5.0 is an excellent shock. It's very tuneable and easy to service with no special tools required. The adjustable pedalling platform is perfect for the Uber.

    FYI - We recently found out that a Fox coil will NOT fit an Uber V frame due to interference with the swingarm. Right ryguy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    I'm assuming that you have a long-tab frame: '97, '98 or '00-'02. If you switch to the 130mm Marzocchi and a 6.5"x1.5" rear shock you will end up with about 115mm rear wheel travel and good trailbike geometry. The HT angle should be about 68.5-69 degrees. I rode and loved my white SV that way for years before I figured out that I could do the modification for more travel.


    If you drill 7/8" forward and cut the tabs you can use a rear shock that is 1 inch longer with no significant change to geometry. The 7.5"x2.0" rear shock will give you about 155mm rear wheel travel. The reason that you don't drill a full 1" forward is due to the additional sag resulting from the longer stroke shock. A 7.5"x2.0" shock under 25% sag is only 7/8" longer than a 6.5"x1.5" shock under 25% sag.


    The Fox DHX Air 5.0 is an excellent shock. It's very tuneable and easy to service with no special tools required. The adjustable pedalling platform is perfect for the Uber.

    FYI - We recently found out that a Fox coil will NOT fit an Uber V frame due to interference with the swingarm. Right ryguy?

    Yep, but I'm satisfied with the DHX Air! Still loving the uber. Starting working again on 9/4 so I'm going to upgrade the drivetrain next.

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    There are better shocks out there than the DHX now. I consider mine a loss. I rode it three times, after which it apparently had a stick down issue. Sent it back to universalcycles - they warrantied it to Fox. Never a word from universalcycles or Fox. I replaced it with a Roco, so I didn't really care, except for the four bills I paid for it. Finally asked about it - just got it back. It was in limbo for four months. Now I'm stuck with it - I was hoping for a credit or something, but it's used - can't get a credit. At least it's the correct length again.

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    Mantitou Radium RL

    Hello friends,

    has anyone experiences with this shock. Is the 7.5 Mantiou Radium RL o.k to build an upper V ?

    Thanks Volker

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    UberV w/ Industry9 Rear Wheel

    This rear wheel on my Uber comes served up with an Industry Nine Enduro Hub built on a Mavic 819 rim. I have found this wheel to be an outstanding product with instant engagement, unrivaled stiffness and durability all in a nice light package. It was built up by the Mendon Cyclesmith himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    Could you post that reply a few more times?
    You're just jealous because at this moment in time, he has more posts than you do

    ajm - I'm guessing your frame is an XL? I'm in Scotland, and the XL frame is impossible to find. There are plenty of mediums, quite a few large (I've had four), and next to no smalls or extra large. That said, I managed to find a KTM orange 99 Super V for my woman.

    Still need worked on though.....

    I'll need to get my Uber on here to see what you all think of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrynorton
    There are better shocks out there than the DHX now. I consider mine a loss. I rode it three times, after which it apparently had a stick down issue. Sent it back to universalcycles - they warrantied it to Fox. Never a word from universalcycles or Fox. I replaced it with a Roco, so I didn't really care, except for the four bills I paid for it. Finally asked about it - just got it back. It was in limbo for four months. Now I'm stuck with it - I was hoping for a credit or something, but it's used - can't get a credit. At least it's the correct length again.
    They sent it back to Fox for a stuck-down????? You can fix it in about 15 minutes with no special tools required. I've done it on the trail twice. The stuck-down usually results from running the shock too long between service. The air slips around the main quad seal to the other side if the seal gets too dry. I suspect that your quad seal was slightly out of place.

    So you've never actually ridden a working DHX air?
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    I'm so glad...

    Glad that I found the Uberhood and by total chance it was too.!! I nearly wouldn't have been here .Only last week I was in my LBS in Cape Town, South Africa, flogging my mint condition Super V 2000 SL on consignment sale as I had my eyes fixed on a new roadie bike. Truth be told, I picked up this V (I think a 1999 bike? - Dark Dark metallic blue ) in 2001 on a trip to Florida and it's been stuffed in my garage and never ever ridden ever since.- not that it was ridden hardly ever before me too I've been riding other metal...
    The LBS serviced it and Cannondale agents just serviced the Fatty front shock and all is Ok! Then just as I signed the bikes disposal warrant on the LBS shop floor... something just popped in my brain and I ended up keeping this beautiful bike with the intention of doing some kind of vague modernization program...and oh, yeah I bought the roadie as well Then I stumbled across the Uberhood and read all the threads, then got very very confused with all the mechanics...so...
    I think I'll just use the LBS workshop facilities for my Uber V Upgrade and Blinging out...
    I'll post photos of my current set up and solict the guidance of the esteemed members but please be gentle with me, because I am absolutely mechanically inept

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    glad to see another super v saved!

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    I want to know more about that custom cable housing shim on the swingarm.......
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    A Jekyll Swingarm just showed up on Ebay-

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150153163153

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    So I'm trying to switch to a 2x9 setup and was wondering if this bb will work. it says 68/73x113. Will this fit a super v? Not sure if its any different from 68x113. I'm assuming that it will work for both 68 and 73 but I'm not sure.

    http://wheelworld.com/itemdetails.cf...0&catalogId=39

    planned on using it with these cranks

    http://wheelworld.com/itemdetails.cf...7&catalogId=39

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    Ordered the Race Face Cranks above, Race Face Evolve FR BB, XT Rear derailluer, Sram 11-34 cassette, new chain, and new rear shifter for my 2x9 swap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy79
    Ordered the Race Face Cranks above, Race Face Evolve FR BB, XT Rear derailluer, Sram 11-34 cassette, new chain, and new rear shifter for my 2x9 swap.
    I was just getting ready to respond and let you know that 68x113 is the right size for your frame. That said, I have seen pictures of you in action - just try to remember that these are a XC setup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    I was just getting ready to respond and let you know that 68x113 is the right size for your frame. That said, I have seen pictures of you in action - just try to remember that these are a XC setup!
    I've never dropped anything bigger than those pictures, and don't plan to anytime soon. I haven't done the drop to flat since that picture. Its not a really fun drop, it was just a good photo op. The majority of my riding is XC. The trails here get pretty rough, but I'd still call it XC.

    If I do start dropping bigger stuff, I'd have to find it first and I'd probably wind up buying a bigger bike. I did go with the stronger FR bb instead of the XC bb. And I'm only getting lighter. Riding 5 times a week is great for weight loss.

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    now i just gotta figure out what to do with all the spare parts! I've got a front wheel that is still in decent shape, i'll have full 3x8 drivetrain (would need front derailluer and shifter but they're cheap), my old v brakes, and a headshok stem. thats not far from a bike!

    I'm thinking I should find a decent cannondale frame if I can't sell the stuff and build a beater hardtail. Or build a bike for my fiancee, but i know she wants a new bike. She's picky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy79
    If I do start dropping bigger stuff, I'd have to find it first and I'd probably wind up buying a bigger bike.
    I think that if you upgraded your swingarm you could do bigger stuff no problem. I have seen UberV's do some amazing stuff! That is what is so great about these bikes. They can take serious punishment and still weigh under 30lbs. Who needs a big bike? Not me. Hell add a Fox 36 and a 7 7/8" rear shock to our current setups and you have a big bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcamb
    I think that if you upgraded your swingarm you could do bigger stuff no problem. I have seen UberV's do some amazing stuff! That is what is so great about these bikes. They can take serious punishment and still weigh under 30lbs. Who needs a big bike? Not me. Hell add a Fox 36 and a 7 7/8" rear shock to our current setups and you have a big bike....
    well in the long run i want a bike to take to lift served stuff. i didn't move to colorado for nothing...

    that doesn't mean i want to get rid of the uber. its a great all around bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    That is a sweet lookin' bike...I like the color scheme wid da silver fork tubes and silver swingarm. Mine is red with yeller lettering...I'm trying to decide what color to paint the swingarm, what color rims, etc. I don't want to tear the whole thing down yet and repaint the frame, but I need something to do this winter. I'm doing the frontend now and will do the rear next. I'll probly ride it til the weather gets bad, then paint it up...but I'm not sure how much I wanna do. Do you know where I can get C'dale decals?
    http://stores.ebay.com/Zappers-Bicyc...ecals-stickers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcamb
    I think that if you upgraded your swingarm you could do bigger stuff no problem. I have seen UberV's do some amazing stuff! That is what is so great about these bikes. They can take serious punishment and still weigh under 30lbs. Who needs a big bike? Not me. Hell add a Fox 36 and a 7 7/8" rear shock to our current setups and you have a big bike....
    It's all BIG Jimmy Boy

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    I have an all original 99 Super V 900. After considering a new bike build this winter, perhaps the Uber V is the way to go. If I've read the past message posts correctly, a 7.5"x2" shock will fit (along with a Jekyll swing arm) without modifying the mounting posts. Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    I have an all original 99 Super V 900. After considering a new bike build this winter, perhaps the Uber V is the way to go. If I've read the past message posts correctly, a 7.5"x2" shock will fit (along with a Jekyll swing arm) without modifying the mounting posts. Am I right?

    Rich
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajm
    The newest addition to our family! This Uber Light is the 4" rear travel version built for my wife. It comes equipped with a Fox RP23 shock and a Talas fork.
    Hi ajm,

    Would you mind telling me the stand over height of that bike? I am curious as to how well a small frame will fit a shorter rider. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    Correct.
    Thanks for the help. Each time I reread the Uber threads, I pickup some information. Will I have any problems using my existing Magura Louise calipers with a Jekyll swing arm and a 130mm Fox Talas fork on my 99 V900? I did read that 2000 and later are the arms to look for but I just wanted to get confirmation.

    How much can I expect to pay for a used Jekyll swing arm? I do have time so I can wait if I have to.

    One more, what can I expect to have to do for a headset? Is it as simple as installing a Cane Creek Double Xc? In case it matters, I have a LG frame size.

    Rich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinch
    Thanks for the help. Each time I reread the Uber threads, I pickup some information. Will I have any problems using my existing Magura Louise calipers with a Jekyll swing arm and a 130mm Fox Talas fork on my 99 V900? I did read that 2000 and later are the arms to look for but I just wanted to get confirmation.

    How much can I expect to pay for a used Jekyll swing arm? I do have time so I can wait if I have to.

    One more, what can I expect to have to do for a headset? Is it as simple as installing a Cane Creek Double Xc? In case it matters, I have a LG frame size.

    Rich
    I haven't used Magura brakes in a while but they should be fine. There is nothing unique about the IS brake mounts on the Jekyll swingarms.

    The swingarms came on '00 and later Super Vs and Jekylls. You can identify them by looking at the shock mount. The ones to look for have the mount offset toward the rear wheel to make room for the longer shock. The older SV swingarms had the shock mount on the front of the tube. Avoid the bonded type as they tend to fail. You may also want to avoid the CAAD4 swingarms as they are not quite as sturdy and have limited tire clearance. I prefer 2003 and later swingarms from the longer-travel Jekylls and recumbent bikes.

    I have paid as little as $50 for a used swingarm on ebay. We've gotten new ones off ebay for as much as $175. The recent activity here has definitely had an effect on prices. I think you can still get a brand new one from MendonCycleSmith for about $200. There is one on ebay right now:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150153163153

    More information on methods for conversion to a standard fork here:
    What length steerer tube do I need for my SuperVee?
    For a 130mm fork, I would probably go for the Problem Solvers and a standard headset. That should give you good trailbike geometry. Hopefully the steerer on your Talas is long enough. The Cane Creek headset that would work is the Double Xc-short. The Double Xc is for full 1.5 headtubes that have greater press depth than older C'dale frames. Frame size makes no difference as all C'dales have the same size headtube.

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    Buildin' Uber V's is fun! Not as fun as riding them. But fun still the same... Hehe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oister
    Hi ajm,

    Would you mind telling me the stand over height of that bike? I am curious as to how well a small frame will fit a shorter rider. Thanks!
    The stand over height at the low point on the top tube measures 25". Hope this helps and good luck!

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    Uberlicious V Light most perfect for the shorter rider!
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Uber Vee coming along nicely....

    It was Christmas in August for me as the UPS-man delivered a load of goodies while I was out of town. Came home at midnight from the airport to find new wheels, fork, handlebars, stem, brakes, and headset. I'm trying to do the conversion in stages, front end first. No theft problem in Central AL, stuff sat there for 2 days unmolested! Here's the shopping list:

    Cane Creek Double Xc flush reducing headset @ $99
    2006 Marzocchi AM1 150mm fork @ $219
    Mavic Cross-ride 24 spoke wheelset in black with Mavic hubs @ $209 pair
    Thompson 5 deg 100mm stem @89.99
    Easton Scandium DH riser bar @$54.96
    Avid BB7 disc brakes $89 ea (coulda got 'em cheaper somewhere else!)

    I grabbed both front & rear brakes so I'll have 'em on hand when the swingarm comes in, same for the wheels.

    Got a few questions for the tech-heads out there:

    Got the wheel set with 24-spokes. Avid BB7 specs say intended for use with 32-36 spoke wheels. Do I have a serious problem? LBS said Mavic wheels are strong enough and it doesn't matter. NONE of the on-line information for the brakes stated the spoke spec.

    A pre-assembly fitting looks like the Double Xc flush reducing headset will work fine but I'm worried about the fork crown maybe hitting the frame downtube and breaking the ETA knob or damaging the frame. It looks OK, but before I press in the headset I wanna be sure 'cause I don't know if I can swap it after it's been pressed in. Anybody else use the flush headset? I selected the flush because of concerns over front-end height and also weight savings...saved about 55 grams and maybe 10mm.

    The geometry looks all screwed up with the front end way up in the air.....just like the LBS guy sneered would happen if I tried to modify something and didn't know what I was doing. We'll see after it's assembled properly.

    Avid BB7 brakes mounted up nicely and seem to be much more responsive than the v-brakes...I've looked at the cable routing on the other Ubers. Is it OK to run the cable through the hole in the fork crown? It seems to clear everything and not bend too tightly but I'm concerned it will rub the tire. The cable guide @ top of left fork seems to hold it out of the way. Anybody got close-ups of the cable routing? Full-bike shots don't show enough detail.

    Got the Easton Scandium (unobtainium?) alloy DH riser handlebars on close-out from Perf Bike @ $54.96 (65% off MSRP of $200 plus 20% web coupon!!) I had riser bars on the orig configuration so I went back to 'em again but I noticed some Ubers have flat bars. I'm using a 100mm Thompson 6 degree rise stem...anybody care to speculate on how this will handle?

    I used BB7 mechanical disk 'cuz I don't have the bucks to replace the Deore XT shift levers now. All I had to do was cut a new front brake cable. The disk bolted up to the hub just fine and the caliper mounted easily too...just had to loosen the CPS bolts on the caliper to let it "float" so it self-aligns to the disk rotor.....like it says in the instructions but who reads those anyway?! Coulda saved myself an hour of head-scratchin time. Oh well.

    Frame is red with puke yellow C'dale decals...went with black wheel set, stem, fork is black, didn't notice handlebars are silver - wanted black, but it's scandium!! alloy so I'll probably keep 'em. Hope the color scheme looks as good as some the Ubers on here.

    LBS has "Beer, brats, and bikes" nite (Cahaba Cycles, Pelham AL 205-987-4043) bike maintenance skills workshop tonite so we might press in the headset...might get to take maiden voyage tomorrow...weather report says it'll be 10 degrees cooler than yesterday: only 95 instead of 105!!! Sweet bike riding weather! Wish me luck and listen for the ambulance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    It was Christmas in August for me as the UPS-man delivered a load of goodies while I was out of town. Came home at midnight from the airport to find new wheels, fork, handlebars, stem, brakes, and headset. I'm trying to do the conversion in stages, front end first. No theft problem in Central AL, stuff sat there for 2 days unmolested! Here's the shopping list:

    Cane Creek Double Xc flush reducing headset @ $99
    2006 Marzocchi AM1 150mm fork @ $219
    Mavic Cross-ride 24 spoke wheelset in black with Mavic hubs @ $209 pair
    Thompson 5 deg 100mm stem @89.99
    Easton Scandium DH riser bar @$54.96
    Avid BB7 disc brakes $89 ea (coulda got 'em cheaper somewhere else!)

    I grabbed both front & rear brakes so I'll have 'em on hand when the swingarm comes in, same for the wheels.

    Got a few questions for the tech-heads out there:

    Got the wheel set with 24-spokes. Avid BB7 specs say intended for use with 32-36 spoke wheels. Do I have a serious problem? LBS said Mavic wheels are strong enough and it doesn't matter. NONE of the on-line information for the brakes stated the spoke spec.

    A pre-assembly fitting looks like the Double Xc flush reducing headset will work fine but I'm worried about the fork crown maybe hitting the frame downtube and breaking the ETA knob or damaging the frame. It looks OK, but before I press in the headset I wanna be sure 'cause I don't know if I can swap it after it's been pressed in. Anybody else use the flush headset? I selected the flush because of concerns over front-end height and also weight savings...saved about 55 grams and maybe 10mm.

    The geometry looks all screwed up with the front end way up in the air.....just like the LBS guy sneered would happen if I tried to modify something and didn't know what I was doing. We'll see after it's assembled properly.

    Avid BB7 brakes mounted up nicely and seem to be much more responsive than the v-brakes...I've looked at the cable routing on the other Ubers. Is it OK to run the cable through the hole in the fork crown? It seems to clear everything and not bend too tightly but I'm concerned it will rub the tire. The cable guide @ top of left fork seems to hold it out of the way. Anybody got close-ups of the cable routing? Full-bike shots don't show enough detail.

    Got the Easton Scandium (unobtainium?) alloy DH riser handlebars on close-out from Perf Bike @ $54.96 (65% off MSRP of $200 plus 20% web coupon!!) I had riser bars on the orig configuration so I went back to 'em again but I noticed some Ubers have flat bars. I'm using a 100mm Thompson 6 degree rise stem...anybody care to speculate on how this will handle?

    I used BB7 mechanical disk 'cuz I don't have the bucks to replace the Deore XT shift levers now. All I had to do was cut a new front brake cable. The disk bolted up to the hub just fine and the caliper mounted easily too...just had to loosen the CPS bolts on the caliper to let it "float" so it self-aligns to the disk rotor.....like it says in the instructions but who reads those anyway?! Coulda saved myself an hour of head-scratchin time. Oh well.

    Frame is red with puke yellow C'dale decals...went with black wheel set, stem, fork is black, didn't notice handlebars are silver - wanted black, but it's scandium!! alloy so I'll probably keep 'em. Hope the color scheme looks as good as some the Ubers on here.

    LBS has "Beer, brats, and bikes" nite (Cahaba Cycles, Pelham AL 205-987-4043) bike maintenance skills workshop tonite so we might press in the headset...might get to take maiden voyage tomorrow...weather report says it'll be 10 degrees cooler than yesterday: only 95 instead of 105!!! Sweet bike riding weather! Wish me luck and listen for the ambulance!
    Lot's of info there. I only have a minute so I'll respond to a couple things. Never used mechanical brakes or Mavic wheels so I don't have any comments there. Maybe someone else will chime in on that issue. We all use riser bars here and love them. I think the low stack height will be good for a 150mm Marz or the front might get pretty tall. I'm not sure on the clearance issue with the fork crown and knobs. Is the Cane Creek a 'short' version? Super V's only have about half the press depth of a full one-point-five headset.

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    Uber Vee NOT coming along nicely.......

    Well, as this is my first build I overlooked one little problem: Cane Creek Doulble Xc flush insertion depth into the headtube is too deep. The headtube recess for the headset is only ~.450" while the reducing headset requires ~.747". I have a set of headset adapters to reduce the diameter from 1.5" to 1 1/8", but I was concerned about HT angle with a 150mm-travel front fork so I ordered the Xc flush to save a few millimeters. The bottom adapter has a taper step-down from 1.5" to the 1 1/8" that is 1" tall, so it will raise the headtube that much. But some of the Ubers have that set of adapters installed so it may not be that big of a deal. The adapters fit perfectly into the HT recess, so I guess I'll just buy a new 1 1/8" headset from the LBS and get riding. Adapters were $50 leftover from one of the LBS that he ordered for someone that never picked 'em up. Black anodized so they match the sinister color scheme.

    On my way to LBS to grab a headset and he promised to press it in by tomorrow!!! Yippee!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajm
    The stand over height at the low point on the top tube measures 25". Hope this helps and good luck!
    Thanks man! I love the low stand-over height of the Vs, never had to worry about the crown jewel again.

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    Cane Creek headset is "flush" so even shorter than "short"

    "Is the Cane Creek a 'short' version? Super V's only have about half the press depth of a full one-point-five headset."

    Yeah I didn't notice the extra insertion depth...was concentratin' on the stack height. Here's the link to Cane Creek: http://www.canecreek.com/double_x_flush.html you can see the deeper insertion is plainly visible...and I am concerned about stack height. The Double Xc Short probably is the one to go with.

    The bike geometry may look worse right now since I haven't done the swingarm/rear shock swap yet. Also, the Marz AM1 spec page says "available travels: 110 - 130 - 150 mm". Maybe I can offset the stack height by running on 130mm...not sure how that will affect the ride.

    I could take the adapters to a machine shop and cut 'em down 1/2" or so...looks like plenty of meat there. Or I wonder if I could cut down the insertion part of the Cane Creek? Hmmmmm....

    Pre-assembly weigh-in was @ 30.5 lbs....shooting for less than 30...but still have rear mods to do. Might get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    I have a set of headset adapters to reduce the diameter from 1.5" to 1 1/8", but I was concerned about HT angle with a 150mm-travel front fork so I ordered the Xc flush to save a few millimeters. The bottom adapter has a taper step-down from 1.5" to the 1 1/8" that is 1" tall, so it will raise the headtube that much. But some of the Ubers have that set of adapters installed so it may not be that big of a deal. The adapters fit perfectly into the HT recess, so I guess I'll just buy a new 1 1/8" headset from the LBS and get riding.
    Those are our prefered adapters but we run Fox forks that are not as tall as your Marzocchi. you can put the 1 inch tall adapter on top and the short one on the bottom. It will look good that way and you'll appreciate the taller handlebar with fewer headset spacers. Even set up that way you might find that you prefer the fork at 130mm since the Marzocchi has such a tall crown height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    The bike geometry may look worse right now since I haven't done the swingarm/rear shock swap yet. Also, the Marz AM1 spec page says "available travels: 110 - 130 - 150 mm". Maybe I can offset the stack height by running on 130mm...not sure how that will affect the ride.
    If you want a big bike you can also consider using a 7.875" shock to compensate for the 150mm fork. It will raise your bottom bracket but it's still within useful range. I just built one up that way last night with jdcamb's helpful assistance. Getting ready for the first ride on it. Pictures will be forthcoming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    If you want a big bike you can also consider using a 7.875" shock to compensate for the 150mm fork. It will raise your bottom bracket but it's still within useful range. I just built one up that way last night with jdcamb's helpful assistance. Getting ready for the first ride on it. Pictures will be forthcoming...
    looking forward to it...

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    The Ultra-Uber

    OK, here it is. I took my white frame and polished swingarm and added an '08 Fox 36 Talas RC2 and an '08 DHX Air 7.875x2.25 plus a few other new bits.

    Gets 160/130/100 adjustable fork travel and over 170mm rear travel.
    32 pounds complete.

    It will take a few rides to tune the suspension but based on the driveway test I think I'll like it.
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    thats pretty sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    Well, as this is my first build I overlooked one little problem: Cane Creek Doulble Xc flush insertion depth into the headtube is too deep. The headtube recess for the headset is only ~.450" while the reducing headset requires ~.747".
    You needed the Double XC Short, which is specific for Cannondales with Headshoks:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun K
    You needed the Double XC Short, which is specific for Cannondales with Headshoks:
    That's what I used, its great!

    Are you putting Hybrids.jp sticker on your bike? sort of fit the hybrids theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oister
    That's what I used, its great!

    Are you putting Hybrids.jp sticker on your bike? sort of fit the hybrids theme.
    I used one too. I think it's great, but I'm not sure yet as there's no fork on the bike.

    Internet stalkage, fun....who is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun K
    I used one too. I think it's great, but I'm not sure yet as there's no fork on the bike.

    Internet stalkage, fun....who is this?
    Hahahaha, I just remember your avatar from hybrids. We don't really know each other, but I read sr20 hybrids way back (I had a blk s13 sr convertible), and I live across the street and friends with the guy (chad) you bought the corolla from. So we might have met in person since I am always hanging out across the street at their place. RyanK just confirmed that "shaunK" is "you", altho Mr Sparkle avatar is pretty unmistakable.

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    Gave my uber a bath tonight. Last week was really muddy. I don't remember the last time it looked so clean. Got rid of some old ugly stickers from years ago too.

    If only my old grill looked as nice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy79
    Gave my uber a bath tonight. Last week was really muddy. I don't remember the last time it looked so clean. Got rid of some old ugly stickers from years ago too.

    If only my old grill looked as nice...

    She's looking real nice there, ryguy79. Can't wait til mine gets here!

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    Two lovely looking ubers there guys.

    I'm pretty sure mine weighs in at around 35 lbs. I'll weigh it, and someday soon remember to take a picture too.......hopefully!

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    I had to run an errand today and knew I was going past my LBS. So I stopped in to see if they had any Super V headset adapters and maybe even a Jekyll swing arm. When I told Rick the owner (Cycle Fitness - Monroe CT) about the Uber plans, he thought it was a cool idea, one that he had not considered. He seemed very interested in the project. Then he says, "Oh I may have a Jekyll with a broken frame". Sure enough, hanging in the back of his storage area was a totally stripped frame with a good swing arm. It's a CAAD4 which I've read is not ideal, but still usable. For $50 the price was right and should do well for my 155 lbs and 2.1 tires. Now the ball is rolling to Uber my V900. And to think I only picked up on this thread last week. I'm really looking forward to the finished Uber.

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    ... and if we just ... Uber back on track....

    Well, I had a problem with the insertion depth of the Cane Creek Double Xc Flush...detailed in an earlier post. I took the frame and headset to the LBS and the wrench suggested removing the extra material so the headset would fit. I measured with a dial caliper and removed the extra material with a hacksaw, used a bench grinder and files to clean it up. I then took some threaded rod and washers and made a bearing press and mounted the headset in the frame. A short while later I had the fork, stem and handlebars mounted and adjusted. I rechecked every bolt on the bike and took it out for a short spin. It rides great!! The Marz AM1 150mm fork absorbs every bump without a whimper, the ETA clamps down gradually as it should, I just need to do the Oak Mtn loop (16.5 miles) to get a real feel for the bike. I am in the process of getting a swingarm and shock to do the rear (alrready bought the wheel and brake). Can't wait to finish it. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

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    stinch, except for less tire clearance than i'd like, i've had no issues with the caad4 swingarm.

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    Powder Coat



    Hey rw420, I really dig your Super with the powder coat. I had some questions about the advantages and disadvantages of it.

    Could you elaborate on pros/cons of the powder coat?

    Are there issues applying decals afterwards? I noticed you don't have decals on your baby blue SV.

    Is the serial number still visible for resale purposes in the future? How vast are the color choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    Hey rw420, I really dig your Super with the powder coat. I had some questions about the advantages and disadvantages of it.

    Could you elaborate on pros/cons of the powder coat?

    Are there issues applying decals afterwards? I noticed you don't have decals on your baby blue SV.

    Is the serial number still visible for resale purposes in the future? How vast are the color choices?
    The powder coat is awesome. In my opinion there is no downside. I guess it might be a bit heavier than paint but I doubt you would ever notice. It looks great and is extremely durable. I never liked the original yellow/green color scheme that came on this model. A buddy of mine offered to bead-blast the frame which removed the paint and made a nice rough surface for the powder coat to cling to. I took it to a local powder coat shop and they did the frame for $50 and a matching swingarm for $25. He gave me good pricing because I chose from the colors/ finishes that he had leftover from other jobs. There are hundreds of colors and finishes to choose from. Some are more resilient than others. The finish I went with is an industrial finish that is very resistant to scratches. Durability and price drove my selection over color but I do like the blue. I don't think that decals would stick to the finish I have but I haven't tried. I prefer the look without them. Some of the smoother finishes would probably take decals OK. I just checked the serial number and it is still visible but I have no intention of selling any of my Uber frames anyway...

    One other thing - I prefer to call it 'Fox' blue rather than 'Baby Blue'

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    The powder coat is awesome. In my opinion there is no downside. I guess it might be a bit heavier than paint but I doubt you would ever notice. It looks great and is extremely durable. I never liked the original yellow/green color scheme that came on this model. A buddy of mine offered to bead-blast the frame which removed the paint and made a nice rough surface for the powder coat to cling to. I took it to a local powder coat shop and they did the frame for $50 and a matching swingarm for $25. He gave me good pricing because I chose from the colors/ finishes that he had leftover from other jobs. There are hundreds of colors and finishes to choose from. Some are more resilient than others. The finish I went with is an industrial finish that is very resistant to scratches. Durability and price drove my selection over color but I do like the blue. I don't think that decals would stick to the finish I have but I haven't tried. I prefer the look without them. Some of the smoother finishes would probably take decals OK. I just checked the serial number and it is still visible but I have no intention of selling any of my Uber frames anyway...

    One other thing - I prefer to call it 'Fox' blue rather than 'Baby Blue'
    One more question I have to ask. Were you concerned with the baking process of powder coating and the effect it might have on the welds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul218
    One more question I have to ask. Were you concerned with the baking process of powder coating and the effect it might have on the welds?
    No - the powder coat process is not that hot. And even if it was, heat-treating is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathel
    Two lovely looking ubers there guys.
    I agree. Both bikes, both well done. Liking the green and the white.

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    jekyll swingarm and cane creek double Xc headset on ebay

    hey, just want to let everybody on this forum that I just posted a jekyll swingarm on ebay Item number: 290155633820 this swingarm was going to be used for an uber v project that never happened. it is very very clean, the scratches are mostly from being stored in my garage. also have a cane creek double Xc headset ,used to reduce cannondale headset so you can install a fork with a 1 1/8" steer tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    OK, here it is. I took my white frame and polished swingarm and added an '08 Fox 36 Talas RC2 and an '08 DHX Air 7.875x2.25 plus a few other new bits.

    Gets 160/130/100 adjustable fork travel and over 170mm rear travel.
    32 pounds complete.
    The longer rear shock didn't work out for me. After a couple trail rides (~28 miles) it became obvious that the bike just didn't handle as well as I'm used to. It was too tall. I felt like I was more 'on top' of the cockpit than 'in it'. It also felt like it changed the arc of the swingarm too much - pushed it beyond the horizontal and down 'under' the pivot. One cool thing was that this allowed the bike to jump vertically very easily from a dead stop. But I'm no trials rider and that feature didn't lend itself well to my style of trail riding. I also found that even though I had an additional 3/4" of rear wheel travel, I was blowing through all of it even with the bottom out damping cranked down and my sag set appropriately.

    So I replaced the 7.875x2.25 shock with a 7.5x2. This brought the rear end down but slackened the geometry by over a degree, which would make the 160mm setting on the fork virtually useless. To bring the fork in range, I reversed the headtube adapters and moved the tall part above the headtube. This was exactly what it needed. After doing my normal 14 mile ride, I have to say that I'm very pleased. The geometry is exactly where I want it with the fork in 130mm mode. In that position it feels like my normal target geometry for setting up the Ubers. For big events, I can pop it up to 160mm with a flick of the lever and it also drops down to 100mm where it climbs like a goat. The bike feels very 'flickable' despite the addition of about 3 pounds over my other setup with the Talas 140. I'm thinking that these two setups are going to make a nice stable - they seem similar enough that I can easily switch between them, yet I think the different forks will give each of them individual characteristics.

    So here it is with the revisions:
    160/130/100 adjustable fork travel and about 155mm rear travel
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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    The longer rear shock didn't work out for me. After a couple trail rides (~28 miles) it became obvious that the bike just didn't handle as well as I'm used to. It was too tall. I felt like I was more 'on top' of the cockpit than 'in it'. It also felt like it changed the arc of the swingarm too much - pushed it beyond the horizontal and down 'under' the pivot. One cool thing was that this allowed the bike to jump vertically very easily from a dead stop. But I'm no trials rider and that feature didn't lend itself well to my style of trail riding. I also found that even though I had an additional 3/4" of rear wheel travel, I was blowing through all of it even with the bottom out damping cranked down and my sag set appropriately.

    So I replaced the 7.875x2.25 shock with a 7.5x2. This brought the rear end down but slackened the geometry by over a degree, which would make the 160mm setting on the fork virtually useless. To bring the fork in range, I reversed the headtube adapters and moved the tall part above the headtube. This was exactly what it needed. After doing my normal 14 mile ride, I have to say that I'm very pleased. The geometry is exactly where I want it with the fork in 130mm mode. In that position it feels like my normal target geometry for setting up the Ubers. For big events, I can pop it up to 160mm with a flick of the lever and it also drops down to 100mm where it climbs like a goat. The bike feels very 'flickable' despite the addition of about 3 pounds over my other setup with the Talas 140. I'm thinking that these two setups are going to make a nice stable - they seem similar enough that I can easily switch between them, yet I think the different forks will give each of them individual characteristics.

    So here it is with the revisions:
    160/130/100 adjustable fork travel and about 155mm rear travel
    Great description of your adjustments. Your ride looking just right!!!

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    Look at this 145/130 volvo edition guys...



    Frame Super V 99+caad 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiVaru
    Look at this 145/130 volvo edition guys...



    Frame Super V 99+caad 4
    Fork-Rock Shok revelation u-turn 100/130
    -Dnm Burner Lock out 180mm
    Brakes Magura marta Sl(160-160) 180front coming
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    Looks sweet. What rear shock is that?

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    Good job! half-Ubered ride report...

    Halfway thru the project...front-end rebuild completed, swingarm on the way. Took the first rides this past weekend and really impressed with the way the bike handles. I used the 2006 Marz AM-1 fork w 130mm travel, I set the rebound about 3/4 of the way to full damping and it seemed to give the best ride that way. I really like the new fork and disk brake. I can't believe C'dale sold any of these with the old 60mm headshock. My bike originally had one of those 200mm stems with a set of 6" end-bars on it....really goofy looking and way too far forward riding position.

    I left my steerer tube pretty long and used a stack of spacers below the 100mm 6 degree rise stem to raise the handlebar height...didn't want to whack off too much length and then regret it in a week or two! Best I can measure, my headtube angle is @ 67 degrees. I might drop the air preload on my shock and get to 68 or 69 degrees

    I don't know if its considered uncool to recommend an ebay vendor but I will go ahead and stick my thumbs up for "goodbikedeals". I got my fork there and I am very pleased with everything. There are also many more Marzochi forks available if you are looking. I spent a lot of time searching for a deal and I couldn't match the price anywhere else.

    Thanks to everyone who posted technical suggestions for the mods.....maybe someone will gather everything together and come up with a quick "recipe" for an "Uber Vee"!!

    Also, if anyone has a tip for a rear shock...please chime in. That's next on the list. I plan to re-drill the front shock mount and with an '04 Jekyll swingarm use a 7" i2i shock length.

    Also, Mendon or RW420, are there any special swingarm bushings or bearings I need to purchase to do the swap-out? Any tech tips will be much appreciated!!!



    BTW, I might suggest the Cane Creek Double Xc short headset instead of the Double Xc flush...I got the flush and I had to remove about 1/4" of extra material from the "skirt" of each piece so it would insert into the head tube...my mistake.

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    I just swapped out my front tire from a 2.1 Fire XC Pro to a 2.35 Nevegal dual compound. Gonna see if it helps float over the sandy sections in a little bit. Hopefully a little more front grip too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    Halfway thru the project...front-end rebuild completed, swingarm on the way. Took the first rides this past weekend and really impressed with the way the bike handles. I used the 2006 Marz AM-1 fork w 130mm travel, I set the rebound about 3/4 of the way to full damping and it seemed to give the best ride that way. I really like the new fork and disk brake. I can't believe C'dale sold any of these with the old 60mm headshock. My bike originally had one of those 200mm stems with a set of 6" end-bars on it....really goofy looking and way too far forward riding position.

    I left my steerer tube pretty long and used a stack of spacers below the 100mm 6 degree rise stem to raise the handlebar height...didn't want to whack off too much length and then regret it in a week or two! Best I can measure, my headtube angle is @ 67 degrees. I might drop the air preload on my shock and get to 68 or 69 degrees

    I don't know if its considered uncool to recommend an ebay vendor but I will go ahead and stick my thumbs up for "goodbikedeals". I got my fork there and I am very pleased with everything. There are also many more Marzochi forks available if you are looking. I spent a lot of time searching for a deal and I couldn't match the price anywhere else.

    Thanks to everyone who posted technical suggestions for the mods.....maybe someone will gather everything together and come up with a quick "recipe" for an "Uber Vee"!!

    Also, if anyone has a tip for a rear shock...please chime in. That's next on the list. I plan to re-drill the front shock mount and with an '04 Jekyll swingarm use a 7" i2i shock length.

    Also, Mendon or RW420, are there any special swingarm bushings or bearings I need to purchase to do the swap-out? Any tech tips will be much appreciated!!!



    BTW, I might suggest the Cane Creek Double Xc short headset instead of the Double Xc flush...I got the flush and I had to remove about 1/4" of extra material from the "skirt" of each piece so it would insert into the head tube...my mistake.
    Please post a picture. I'd love to see how the front end turned out.

    You will use your existing pivot bolt and spacers to mount the new swingarm. Try not to lose track of the spacers when you remove the swingarm pivot bolt. They can easily drop out and bounce out of bounds - usually in a very remote area under the workbench.

    If the swingarm bearings feel notchy, you can get the best replacements from http://www.enduroforkseals.com/id169.html.
    You need the 6903 2RS MAX for our swingarm pivots (full complement - no spacers).

    I really can't say enough good things about the Fox DHX Air 5.0.
    The size you need is 7.5x2.0.

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    Wink Thanks for the bushing info...

    Already ordered them!! If I'm gonna tear it down that far I might as well do the bearings/bushings while I've got it apart.

    Also, I tried to post a picture but the file is too big. I'll shoot a smaller few and get 'em on here.

    Thanks again!

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    New question here. any comments on the handlebar-mounted lock-out lever?

    I rode Monday morning with a guy that had a little lever on his rt handlebar that was cabled to both his front fork and rear shock lock-outs. He said it came on his Trek when he bought it. I liked the idea but haven't seen any listed on ant of the e-stores. Any tips?

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    I rode Monday morning with a guy that had a little lever on his rt handlebar that was cabled to both his front fork and rear shock lock-outs. He said it came on his Trek when he bought it. I liked the idea but haven't seen any listed on ant of the e-stores. Any tips?

    Thanks!!
    Fox and Jagwire both have remote lock out kit. I see them on ebay every now and then. Jenson stocks the Jagwire kit currently I believe. They replace the cam on the shock lever with their only piece, and because of that, it is application specific. Depending on what shocks you have, it might not work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy79
    I just swapped out my front tire from a 2.1 Fire XC Pro to a 2.35 Nevegal dual compound. Gonna see if it helps float over the sandy sections in a little bit. Hopefully a little more front grip too.

    That is a cool looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcamb
    That is a cool looking bike.
    Thanks! I rode it on what were probably the gnarliest trails I've ever ridden today and it was great! I love it. I was riding through rocks at speeds I never would have dreamed of when it was stock. Its nice to not have to be nearly as picky about my line.

    we were riding at mt herman, just north of colorado springs. no pics were taken today, but for an idea, i searched for some previously posted pics.



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    Smile Hey RW, how do you calculate 170mm rear travel with the Fox DHX 7.875 x 2.25 shock?

    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    OK, here it is. I took my white frame and polished swingarm and added an '08 Fox 36 Talas RC2 and an '08 DHX Air 7.875x2.25 plus a few other new bits.

    Gets 160/130/100 adjustable fork travel and over 170mm rear travel.
    32 pounds complete.

    It will take a few rides to tune the suspension but based on the driveway test I think I'll like it.
    ey RW, how do you calculate 170mm rear travel with the Fox DHX 7.875 x 2.25 shock? I have an '04 Jekyl swing arm coming and need to grab a nw shock...I'm thinkin' light weight so the Fox air sounds good, but my question is: is there a formula to come up with the 170mm rear travel @ 2.25" stroke? Or did you eye-ball it with a buddy and a yardstick? If you get 170mm travel with a 2.25 shock, how much travel would ya get with a 2.5" travel shock? Or 2.0"?

    I had a couple of messages with somebody, might be you, about which rear shock to get. I can't find the messages but I thought the poster suggested a 7.5 x 2.5 rear shock. I will swap to the Jekyll swing arm and re-drill my front tabs by 7/8" too. Also, can you give a few statistics for your setup, such as your weight and the adjustment setpoints that you like for the Fox DHX shock you use?

    Thanks!
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    heartfixer, I can't answer your questions, but rw420 did wind up going back to the 7.5x2 shock which gives about 150mm travel. Its about a 3:1 ratio of wheel travel to shock stroke.
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    Okay, so 2.5" x 25.4mm = 53.50mm travel times 3.1 ratio = 165.850 mm travel from a

    2.5" stroke rear shock.....hmmmmm. Then you gotta set the sag correkly...what does that do to your Head tube angle? I gotta go lie down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    2.5" stroke rear shock.....hmmmmm. Then you gotta set the sag correkly...what does that do to your Head tube angle? I gotta go lie down.
    I don't know what math you're doing, because at an approximate 3:1 ratio, I get about 190mm travel with 2.5" stroke shock. Approx 171mm with 2.25" stroke shock. Approx 152mm with a 2" stroke shock.

    FYI, 2.5 * 25.4 = 63.5. Not 53.5.

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    New question here. according to my dial caliper 1 inch = 25.40 mm

    So I was converting the shock stroke of 2.5" x 25.40 mm to change the stroke from inches to mm; and I did make an error in the math...2.5" x 25.40 mm = 63.50mm stroke length. (I originally had it at 53.50mm) Next I used the 3.1 ratio you gave for the rear suspension: 63.50 shock compression x 3.1 ratio = 196.850mm rear wheel travel? Maybe the 3.1 suspension ratio is too high?

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    I was approximating at 3:1 (three to one), not 3.1.

    3.1:1 may be more accurate, given that the stock 1.5" shock provides 120mm travel. Though I don't know if changing to the jekyll arm changes the leverage at all because of the slightly more rearward shock mount on the swingarm. i hope the uber-v experts chime in on this.

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    Good point!! I missed that!

    Ah well it's late. So let's redo the math:
    We're still at 63.50mm travel from a 2.5" shock, so 63.50mm x 3.0 ratio is still up at 190.50mm rear wheel travel. Let's see:
    170mm /63.50mm = 2.06 ratio...looks like a 2.0" travel rear shock will give 170mm rear wheel travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    Ah well it's late. So let's redo the math:
    We're still at 63.50mm travel from a 2.5" shock, so 63.50mm x 3.0 ratio is still up at 190.50mm rear wheel travel. Let's see:
    170mm /63.50mm = 2.06 ratio...looks like a 2.0" travel rear shock will give 170mm rear wheel travel.
    you're getting things all mixed up here. 2" stroke will give you about 150mm travel. Thats been discussed to death here. You're dividing the 170mm travel that rw420 got with a 2.25" shock with the stroke (in mm) of a 2.5" stroke shock...then somehow saying that you'll get 170mm with a 2.0" travel shock...that just doesn't make any sense. Rest you must, young jedi.

    Starting with the stock swingarm and shock, 1.5" stroke and 120mm travel (at least it was on my 99), this is a ~3.15:1 ratio of wheel travel to shock stroke. Follow through with that ratio with longer shock strokes for approximate travel.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well Egad! This is embarassing! I'll get some rest and pencil-whip this tomorrow!

    G'nite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    G'nite.
    You're 2 hours ahead so I've got an advantage...its only 11 here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy79
    I was approximating at 3:1 (three to one), not 3.1.

    3.1:1 may be more accurate, given that the stock 1.5" shock provides 120mm travel. Though I don't know if changing to the jekyll arm changes the leverage at all because of the slightly more rearward shock mount on the swingarm. i hope the uber-v experts chime in on this.
    Wow. You guys have sure beat the crap out of this topic. Now I'm going to beat it to death...

    The leverage ratio of the SVs, Jekylls, and Ravens are all about 3 to 1 (or 3:1). This means that, on average, the rear axle moves about three times the amount that the shock compresses. So, as ryguy accurately stated, a 2" stroke gives about 6" (150mm) of travel and a 2.25" stroke provides about 6.75" (170mm) travel. [FYI - We have measured the travel on the Uber Vs and consistently come up with about 155mm for the 2" stroke.] The stated leverage ratio is actually an average over the entire stroke of the shock. In reality, the leverage ratio at any point in the stroke may be higher or lower than this average.

    If the frame design causes the leverage ratio to decrease over the course of the stroke, say from 3.1 to 2.9, this would be considered a rising rate of suspension because the forces at the axle (the ground forces) have a decreasing leverage over the shock as it goes through the stroke, allowing the shock to be more supportive at the end of the stroke. Another way to say this would be that the shock's resistance (due to frame design) ramps up during the stroke.

    On the flip side, many single-pivot frames are designed to ramp down, or have a falling rate of suspension. This was done to counteract the forces of chain tension on the suspension and resist pedal-induced bobbing. Pedal-induced suspension compression occurs toward the beginning of the stroke. For example, the Prophet has a dramatic "falling rate" suspension design. These frame designs allow the shock to be more supportive at the beginning of the stroke to resist the effects of chain tension. As the shock compresses, the shock is overtaken and compresses easier, creating a plush response to bigger hits.

    IMHO, falling rate suspension designs don't make a whole lot of sense anymore now that good platform-damping shocks are available. Platform damping is a form of compression damping that does not allow the shock to compress under the type of force that is created by chain tension. However, this damping opens up when a spike of force from a bump or trail feature affects the suspension. Shocks like the DHX and RP23 are adjustable so you can set the threshold level where the shock opens up. As ryguy stated in the SV thread, if you set this threshold too high, you will lose some small bump sensitivity and if you set it too low, you will lose some pedalling efficiency.

    If you build an Uber V with a '99 frame (or cut the tabs) and use a 7.5x2.0 shock, you end up with a suspension that is relatively linear but does seem to ramp up a bit at the end of the stroke. I find this to be ideal because it allows the rider to adjust the small bump/pedaling efficiency and ramp up (bottom-out) with the shock features.

    We discovered through experimentation that using the longer-stroke shock (7.875x2.25) creates a strange suspension rate curve where the shock first ramps up and then ramps down, thereby blowing through the end of the stroke. In other words, you don't really get the benefit of the extra 3/4" travel. (It also made the bike way too tall.) We have also seen this effect to a lessor extent on medium-size frames where we didn't have enough room on the tabs to move the shock mount a full 7/8" forward. laxin1 (my nephew) runs a bit less sag to counteract this effect at the end of the stroke.

    The conclusion:
    The Uber V is optimal at 6" travel with a 7.5x2.0 shock on either a '99 front or another model year with the shock mount drilled 7/8" forward of the original location.

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    You guys are going to make my head explode!!! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    Wow. You guys have sure beat the crap out of this topic. Now I'm going to beat it to death...
    I was bored last night...

    btw, great post.

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    I have a 1998 super v that I was thinking about selling today but now I I wana keep it because all these bikes look so awesome.

    Can anyone give me any help with a standard headset on a cannondale. It clunks back and fork like it is loose and I have no idea how to keep it from doing it. It moves back and fork at the bottom cup.

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    Good job! Now that's something I can chew on for a while!!!

    "The conclusion:
    The Uber V is optimal at 6" travel with a 7.5x2.0 shock on either a '99 front or another model year with the shock mount drilled 7/8" forward of the original location."

    GREAT STUFF!!! Now this is the kind of post that answers so many questions I had about the workings of the Uber V suspension.

    RW, you answered so much about I needed to know: what length and travel and type of shock to buy, and why. Thanks.

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    Just thought of one more question:

    "The conclusion:
    The Uber V is optimal at 6" travel with a 7.5x2.0 shock on either a '99 front or another model year with the shock mount drilled 7/8" forward of the original location."

    This doesn't mention adding a Jekyll swing arm. What is the effect of the Jekyll swing arm upgrade?

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    The Jekyll swing arm allows you mount the 7.5X2.0 shock on a 99' or mod. frame. With the Active 100sl swing arm you are limited to using a 6.5X1.5 shock with 99' or modified frame. The shock mounting position on the Jekyll swing arm is about an inch farther back than the 100sl swing arm.

    The original 100sl swing arms used a funky sized shock eye to eye (5.5" i think) and Cannondale started using the Jekyll style swing arms (CAAD4, bonded and late model Jekyll) starting in 2000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heartfixer
    "The conclusion:
    The Uber V is optimal at 6" travel with a 7.5x2.0 shock on either a '99 front or another model year with the shock mount drilled 7/8" forward of the original location."

    This doesn't mention adding a Jekyll swing arm. What is the effect of the Jekyll swing arm upgrade?
    Yes, you have to use a Jekyll style swingarm. Wouldn't be an Uber without it.

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    My Uber V ... at last

    Well it's been a labour of a couple of months, tried to buy a Jekyll swingarm on ebay but gave up waiting for it after 6 weeks and built my uber on the stock swingarm - funny thing is, just as I got it all finished the Jekyll swingarm actually arrived in the post! Now can't decide if I should tear this bike apart again for the sake of fitting the Jekyll swingarm, or just ride this one until it breaks.

    Parts list is :

    Marzocchi Z1 FR SL 130 mm forks
    FSA Orbit Z headset
    Easton 110 mm stem
    Original Coda 'bars
    Magura Louise brakes 180 mm fr / 160 mm rear
    Manitou Swinger SPV 4 way platform damped air shock, 190 x 50 mm (7.5 x 2" to you yankees), mounting tab cut & drilled 20 mm forward
    SRAM 7 grip shifters & rear derailleur
    Shimano LX Hollowtech cranks
    DMR V12 pedals
    XT hubs, Mavic 321 rims

    Rides so much sweeter than the original Super V it's bloody unbelieveable.

    Saddest thing of all is, I just got a new job this week and will be moving to the middle east in a few weeks ... flattest sandiest place on earth
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    Kia, looks real nice man! I think you definitely need to throw the Jekyll swing arm on there though. The swing arm you have on there right now is apparently pretty fragile. Do you get to take the bike with you to the Middle East?

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    I currently have a 2000 SuperV 1000 that already has a jekyll swing arm that was replaced years ago under warranty when the original swing arm cracked. Can someone please send me some info on how you cut the tabs to fit the 7.5x2.0 shock? I feel comfortable drilling the hole, but don't quite know what tool to use with cutting the tabs. Also when drilling the hole 7/8" inches forward, is it horizontally forward? Do you change the vertical position of the hole at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbarsotti
    I currently have a 2000 SuperV 1000 that already has a jekyll swing arm that was replaced years ago under warranty when the original swing arm cracked. Can someone please send me some info on how you cut the tabs to fit the 7.5x2.0 shock? I feel comfortable drilling the hole, but don't quite know what tool to use with cutting the tabs. Also when drilling the hole 7/8" inches forward, is it horizontally forward? Do you change the vertical position of the hole at all?
    Are you positive it's a 2000? If it happens to be a '99 you don't need to cut the tabs. Check out this thread for pictures of the drilling. Scroll down a bit and make sure your forum options is seat to linear view if you have problems viewing it. Good luck!

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    Its definatley a 2000, I have the large tabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbarsotti
    I currently have a 2000 SuperV 1000 that already has a jekyll swing arm that was replaced years ago under warranty when the original swing arm cracked. Can someone please send me some info on how you cut the tabs to fit the 7.5x2.0 shock? I feel comfortable drilling the hole, but don't quite know what tool to use with cutting the tabs. Also when drilling the hole 7/8" inches forward, is it horizontally forward? Do you change the vertical position of the hole at all?
    I always try to place the hole so that it is the same distance from edge of the tab as it was originally. We don't have this down to an exact science. I have noticed that there is variation in tab shape over the different model years. Theoretically, moving the hole vertically should have some effect on the shape of the curve of leverage ratio through the stroke of the shock but we may be splitting hairs here. We use a rotary cutting tool (dremel) with a grinding wheel on it to remove the excess tab material. There are probably other cutting tools that would work well too. I suppose you could use a small hacksaw to remove most of the material and then a round file for shaping. Just be careful - aluminium is a soft metal and a slip of the hand can do some damage!

    The following link is to some instructions that I have posted previously. It is very important to make sure that the holes in the two tabs line up. That's why I use the shock bushing as a guide for cutting the second hole. I have had to do some surgery to correct mis-aligned holes.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...08#post3328608

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    Just posted some updated pics in my sig of all 3 of my bikes.

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    Anybody know if the 98 freeride models are a suitable case for surgery. They came stock with 120mm of rear travel. Am I right in thinking that the frame is stock and the changes are all in the swing arm and RX shock? Thanks for any advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baker921
    Anybody know if the 98 freeride models are a suitable case for surgery. They came stock with 120mm of rear travel. Am I right in thinking that the frame is stock and the changes are all in the swing arm and RX shock? Thanks for any advice.
    It will definitely work. You will need a swingarm. Before I give any recommendations on surgery can you measure the eye-to-eye of the rear shock and maybe post a picture of the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baker921
    Anybody know if the 98 freeride models are a suitable case for surgery. They came stock with 120mm of rear travel. Am I right in thinking that the frame is stock and the changes are all in the swing arm and RX shock? Thanks for any advice.
    I believe it should work fine, and, from what I can tell, the Freeride is the same as the other Super V's of that era. Someone else can chime in if they have different info, but I have two frames, one was the '98 Freeride, and the other was a standard Super V (900?). The frames and swingarms on my two bikes were identical.

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    Listen! Hydraulic Disc Brakes

    Hey everyone. I'm considering moving up to disc brakes. Mendon recommended to me that I should look at the Avid BB 5 or 7 mech discs. For you guys with hydraulics, are they a pain in the ass? The cable routing looks very wonky from what I can tell. Do you ever get the lines caught in your pedals or on anything else on the trail?

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    Thanks for the info. Maybe the ebay gods will be kind to me. I bought a 96 700 carbon and realised after that it wasn't suitable. Long story short I built it up as a lightweight trail bike and my wife pinched it.

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