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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Actually, mineral oil for brakes (Shimano, Tektro, Magura etc) is the same stuff, I wouldn't use fork oil, yes, too heavy.
    So if we don't have the Reverb fluid on hands, we could use mineral brake oil for bleeding the full sprint lockout instead? Thanks

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    All I can say is I did mine now 3 years ago with fork oil and it is better then any others I've tried and worked on plus never leaks or seeps.

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    Lefty Supermax on Lefty fork

    is it possible to put a lefty supermax hub on a standard lefty fork. I've been given a set of Mavic Crossrocs with a SuperMax Hub and I'd love to find a conversion kit to use them.

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    Would it be possible to convert my Lefty 2.0 27.5 120mm travel to a 29er 100mm? I have a Habit that fell off a bike rack on the interstate, and I would like to put it on another bike. I'm not sure if you can/how to convert it to 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langtounboy View Post
    is it possible to put a lefty supermax hub on a standard lefty fork. I've been given a set of Mavic Crossrocs with a SuperMax Hub and I'd love to find a conversion kit to use them.
    I don't have the answer, but I did the reverse (Stan's wheels came with standard hub) and only changed the brake mount. But I vaguely remember reading that you can't do the swap that way. On the other hand, you can probably buy a hub and do all the lacing work, then have your wheel builder true it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewalk View Post
    I don't have the answer, but I did the reverse (Stan's wheels came with standard hub) and only changed the brake mount. But I vaguely remember reading that you can't do the swap that way. On the other hand, you can probably buy a hub and do all the lacing work, then have your wheel builder true it for you.
    I guessed that the answer would be 'No'
    Many thanks and now the search begins for a new hub

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    Surprised this isn't here already - for their Hybrid Lefty Bath oil, anyone put 20wt Fox Gold in there? Cannondale-experts seem to suggest that....!

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    20 wt is 20 wt.

    I use Lucas, works fine. Can't say as I'd workup a sweat finding one brand or another if I needed it right then and there.
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    Hey guys,
    Recently purchased a custom chinese carbon bike /w a Lefty XLR on eBay (I think it's an XLR anyways). It makes a clunking sound sometimes when going over bumps. I tried resetting the bearings and greasing the telescope, and it helped a little (at least I think it did, might be in my head, hopefully not). Been reading here that it's possibly caused by air in the oil. Does anyone have documentation on how to bleed/refill the oil? Also can anyone confirm that this is an XLR?
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    Can't see those images, but it's an XLR if it has the Xloc lockout

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    Sorry, fixed it. It has a RockShox lockout. Any advice on the clunking? I should mention that I started noticing it more when I switched the tires out for slicks for city riding, although I think it was still there even when I was using knobs.

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    my fat caad lefty gave up last night... I have put it through a LOT so I am happy it lasted this long! I've rebuild Fox and Maguras in the past, is a lefty totally proprietary (special tools etc) or can I give it a go??? Or should I just bring it to my LBS where I bought it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch2 View Post
    my fat caad lefty gave up last night... I have put it through a LOT so I am happy it lasted this long! I've rebuild Fox and Maguras in the past, is a lefty totally proprietary (special tools etc) or can I give it a go??? Or should I just bring it to my LBS where I bought it?
    Craig Smith at Mendon Cyclesmith is your man:

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    It's just impossible to say enough good things about his Headshok and Lefty service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch2 View Post
    I give it a go??? Or should I just bring it to my LBS where I bought it?
    You can't really give it a go, especially if it has a structural problem. Lots of proprietary tooling required that they won't sell to you, and lots of really painful gotchas that will make an expensive job...more expensive.

    I'd take it to a dealer, get them to remove it from the bike, then it's up to you whether it goes back to the mothership or an indy like Craig. IIRC, and Craig will correct me, but if something structural has gone, such as the bearings have cracked or the lower is showing signs of gouging and scratching, an indy's hands are tied, and it needs to go to the mothership. Which sucks balls, because it means you are in for a wait.

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    Hi all.

    I am looking to replace my stock wheels on my 2010 Cannondale Flash carbon 29er (2).

    I was looking at Reynolds & Mavic Lefty 29er wheelsets but open to suggestions.

    I'm an XC rider 160 lbs looking for light, fast, stiff and under $1k for the set.

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    Carbon Lefty 29er XC wheel recommendation?

    Hi all.

    I am looking to replace my stock wheels on my 2010 Cannondale Flash carbon 29er (2).

    I was looking at Reynolds & Mavic Lefty 29er wheelsets but open to suggestions.

    I'm an XC rider 160 lbs looking for light, fast, stiff and under $1k for the set.

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    Nothing really specific to a Lefty except the hub. Other then that, what ever wheels you want.

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    Hello, just wondering since I can`t find this info online, what are the service intervals on the new 2Spring?

    Also what type of service must be done to Leftys?

    Only air piston? or damper too?

    Thanks in advance.

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    100 hours is the recommended interval.

    After working on these for well, as long as they've been making them, there is no "partial service".

    Shops that do it are simply trying to extract more money and service visits.

    At the appointed time, tear down damper, telescope (and yes air pistons if you really want it separated out that much, but they are ON the damper, so therefore, part of the damper) and service the entire thing, completely.

    It's like doing the timing belt on your car. To not do the water pump and associated pulleys, is to simply have to do the whole job again when they need it soon after.

    Heard of a shop that charged a guy $50 to pull down his boot, smear on grease, and reset the bearings. Then charged him for it again a few months later. Then charged him separately for "air piston service" then later that year, charged for 100 hour service.

    FYI, resets can be done by the end user, with almost no tools (and certainly no specialty ones) in under 3 minutes.

    The *Old Cannondale* would simply tell you to get it serviced once a year if you ride regularly. I'd stick to that.
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    Gotcha! thank you very much Mendon, we are very lucky having you here.

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    While my Scalpel is getting the rear shock rebuilt (****ing Fox is on week 3 now...), I've been riding my old F29er. It has an SL110 fork with the travel reduced to 80mm. I've also had the guts replaced with the Solo Air upgrade. I've struggled to find the air pressure that give it a supple feel but recommended sag since the upgrade. At 150psi it is way too stiff. At 110psi, it seems to have too much sag. Any ideas? Split the difference in pressure? Did they f up my rebuild when they did the Solo Air? My Scalpel's 100mm XLR feels fantastic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin View Post
    While my Scalpel is getting the rear shock rebuilt (****ing Fox is on week 3 now...), I've been riding my old F29er. It has an SL110 fork with the travel reduced to 80mm. I've also had the guts replaced with the Solo Air upgrade. I've struggled to find the air pressure that give it a supple feel but recommended sag since the upgrade. At 150psi it is way too stiff. At 110psi, it seems to have too much sag. Any ideas? Split the difference in pressure? Did they f up my rebuild when they did the Solo Air? My Scalpel's 100mm XLR feels fantastic.


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    Same here. I'm 152 pounds but I have to put 145psi to get the 25% sag.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Don't bother with sag as a determining factor.

    If the fork isn't bottoming out several times a ride and you like the way it feels, run it.

    Bottoming out is normal, and simply means you've used all your travel, which you bought and paid for, so why not use??!

    Once every ride or two, no sweat, at all.

    Sag is simply a metric, it's not a magical number by which suspension nirvana is achieved.

    Second thought, remove the volume reducer, those things kill plushness faster than a hungry cat at a bird feeder filled with deaf and blind birds....
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    I have a older (early 2000's) lefty headshok and was wondering if anyone is using a 60mm stem on their bike, or will it be too tight?

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    i have a lefty 2.0 xlr alloy on an FSI. (29er / medium). i run a lefty 2.0 supermax hub type of front hub. I would like to buy a cannondale brake adaptor allowing me to directly mount a 180mm front disc without relying on an extra adaptor between the KH111 I have now and my brake caliper. would that be the KH130 I need ?

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    Ultra PBR 120 service - pop top not locking out

    I have a PBR 120 Ultra that I am doing service on - which is well overdue.

    Early on, the pop top stopped working (refused to block out). Do I have to split the shaft to fix this or is replacing the seals on the lower cap of the oil dampener and all seals of the air dampener enough?

    Also I notice there is a plastic (I think) ring that appears broken? Is this supposed to have this break in it? There is no corresponding part in the seal kit. Here is a picture of it...

    The official Lefty thread, tech, mechanical, etc-broken-seal.jpg

    One more question...how do I replace the seals on the unit in the middle of the shaft without splitting the shaft - or shouldn't I bother.

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by langtounboy View Post
    is it possible to put a lefty supermax hub on a standard lefty fork. I've been given a set of Mavic Crossrocs with a SuperMax Hub and I'd love to find a conversion kit to use them.
    I don't think this has been answered... langtounboy - if you are still subscribed, the answer is no. I was in the same boat (long story) and in the end had to get a non supermax hub. I ordered it from Jake at Project 321, good guy and lots of anodized colour options as well as bearing options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_B View Post
    Would it be possible to convert my Lefty 2.0 27.5 120mm travel to a 29er 100mm? I have a Habit that fell off a bike rack on the interstate, and I would like to put it on another bike. I'm not sure if you can/how to convert it to 29.
    I'm curious about this as well - and to add to the question (or another question):

    Is it possible to convert a Lefty 2.0 Supermax 29'er >130mm down to 100mm?

    There are plenty Supermax's for sale, but I'm not riding Enduro, riding XC so don't need all that travel.

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    What are the common causes of air spring wall scratching / scouring - other than contamination with dirt?

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    Cycles. Millions and millions of cycles......
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    In your experience roughly how many hours riding time translates in to new lower leg time?

    And is there any preventative maintenance that can be done to slow the process?

    In the time between the second and third 100hr service my 29er 2.0 lower leg went from 'fine' to 'ruined' - but its the air spring wall that's gone, not the outer wall.

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    All I can say is what used to be.

    So, 10 years or more.

    Now? That company is so profit driven, nothing about anything they do, surprises me.

    My guess, softer alloy leads to faster wear, which translates to more service intervals, more sales of parts, more money for Cannondale.

    Nothing else makes sense, assuming you're using decent grease, cleaning it during service, etc.

    I am seeing tons of faulty 2Spring systems, you know, the system designed to right the ills of the old one? Might b worth swapping to an older Solo Air system, just to rule out 2Spring issues.
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    Hmmm.

    I've been ignoring the 50hr air spring service interval, going for the 100hr full service interval instead.

    That wasn't a problem last year. Everything was fine when it went off to the UK service centre. It didn't have the two spring system, just the old wave washer. This year, still with wave washer, it is toast. Maybe a bit more riding time and maybe slightly harder riding...but toast.

    So the grease will be good, the wrenching will be good, but I'm stretching the air spring interval by X2.

    Anyway, spendy. Think I preferred the old system where if you did end up scratching the thing up at least it was just a separate expendable cylinder.

    Going forward I think I'll get the tooling to do the air spring service / clean and be pretty regular about it.

    Just binned all my shock pumps on the worry one of them is contaminated!

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    Can the lower half of the very old (lefty V1) Kidney Tool be used as the damper castle tool in the 2.0? It looks identical to the pictures of the 2.0 castle tool I've seen.

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    Nope, totally different dimensions...
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    Ah, that's a shame. Thanks.

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    So that 2Spring thing feels really great until two hours in to your first ride on it the valve gets jammed open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_B View Post
    Would it be possible to convert my Lefty 2.0 27.5 120mm travel to a 29er 100mm? I have a Habit that fell off a bike rack on the interstate, and I would like to put it on another bike. I'm not sure if you can/how to convert it to 29.
    Hey Joshua, don't know if you got your answer to this, but I did some asking and got an answer for us both (and anyone else wondering) from mendon.

    He said all non-hybrid Lefty's can be fairly easily converted to what ever travel/tire you like as it is just changing the spacers inside. These are the forks with the boot. With that being said, I'm not exactly sure how easy it is to do that on our own ...

    The hybrids can be changed but are much more costly and a pain in the butt to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howards View Post
    So that 2Spring thing feels really great until two hours in to your first ride on it the valve gets jammed open.
    But, but, 2Spring is perfect, it does everything perfectly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    But, but, 2Spring is perfect, it does everything perfectly!
    As far as I'm aware, my LBS only had one wave washer failure*, nobody has had any other failures.

    *Kids failed right before a HS race, we pulled mine off my bike and put it on his for the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewalk View Post
    As far as I'm aware, my LBS only had one wave washer failure*, nobody has had any other failures.
    You calling me a nobody?

    It shit the bed two hours out of the factory - in a way that's pretty dangerous. Installed by Cannondale's own tech center.

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    I was thinking they were referring to the previous system, and how they actually, worked pretty damn well.

    No wave washers in 2Spring.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I was thinking they were referring to the previous system, and how they actually, worked pretty damn well.

    No wave washers in 2Spring.....
    Yeah it's weird... didn't the original Lefty solo air pre-date Lefty 2.0 right? So what if anything did they change for the 2.0 that then forced them to

    - drop the air spring service interval to 25 hours (or something)
    - rush out the clicky hybrid valve thing
    - recall everything and replace it with 2 spring

    Each one of those steps seems to my eye to cost more $ than you gain, so I can't imagine some cynical $ grab being the motivator.

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    The official Lefty thread, tech, mechanical, etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Howards View Post
    Yeah it's weird... didn't the original Lefty solo air pre-date Lefty 2.0 right? So what if anything did they change for the 2.0 that then forced them to

    - drop the air spring service interval to 25 hours (or something)
    - rush out the clicky hybrid valve thing
    - recall everything and replace it with 2 spring

    Each one of those steps seems to my eye to cost more $ than you gain, so I can't imagine some cynical $ grab being the motivator.
    I had the air solo upgrade in my SL110 Carbon Lefty (2008-09 vintage fork) around 2013 timing. I recall they did the change when I moved the fork from by 2006 Scalpel to my 2009 F29er. I rode it that way for a few years and then the 2Spring upgrade/recall was issued. Honestly, I think it rode the best in the original configuration. It seems to not be getting full extension without pumping the air pressure way high. I need to pull it off and send to Mendon this week so I have my winter bike back up and running for night riding next month.

    My LBS did the same upgrade on the DLR2 on my wife’s F4000 650b bike and it seems to work great. 🤷🏼*♂️


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    Quote Originally Posted by Howards View Post
    You calling me a nobody?

    It shit the bed two hours out of the factory - in a way that's pretty dangerous. Installed by Cannondale's own tech center.
    I just mean the bikes out of my LBS. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but not the wide failure rate that you see online. Some bikes are ridden harder than others (mine gets beat).

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    So, you need to kind of understand the whole ball of wax, historically.

    When Solo Air fist came out, the piston had a small "Pringles potato chip" shaped wave spring at the bottom of it. It created the set/reset function for SA, and worked pretty well, far better, was lighter, and had less reduction in travel due to the really stiff coil negative springs that came before.

    That piston when through several modest changes over the coming years, got a bit taller, more robust, added extra holes on the sides to help allow air to pass more freely, etc.

    At some point, they noted that the Pringles springs would break over time and use, generally a few seasons.

    So they simply added a second one to the stack and it acted as a back up incase one broke. Often, you never even knew one broke, and that was how it went for many years.

    So why they decided to screw with success is anyones guess, but they decided to redesign it.

    Enter Solo Air X. The dreaded wave spring generation.

    The wave springs, for whatever reason (I was told it was a "bad batch" but they never seemed to stop breaking) they broke much MUCH sooner, and you couldn't add a back up to it as you could previously.

    I want to say at least one wave spring generational re-do was attempted, it was no better.

    So they decided to go with a coil spring system instead. The first version sucked so badly, it was quickly yanked, and a second version that was only slightly better, was brought out.

    Thing was, every single one of these changes was issued forth with much pomp and promise of revolutionary improvements in durability, air management, etc. Each one failed worse than the previous one.

    Sucked for me, cause I bought into their marketing BS, and promised my customers, the same things I was told, only to have increasingly sh*tty performance failures, repeat, ad, nauseum.

    Each change took more than 6 months, during which time, no better options existed, the old, stable, decently designed ones were now only offered as parts or larger "kits" so shops ended up with massive quantities of crap they didn't need, just to solve an air piston problem, enter the environmental nightmare chapter for Cannondale, but that's a whole separate story of WTF proportions.

    The two early "2Spring lite" versions, were even MORE finicky than the previous Solo Air X versions, grease amount and viscosity were hyper critical (unlike the Pringles gen pistons), so I, and any other service center, started to look like incompetent morons who preferred making money, to doing solid work.

    Finally, after screwing over customers and shops for several years, 2Spring arrived the heavens opened, perfection was delivered, sound familiar yet?

    Amongst other BS, we were told it didn't work with anything other than the bootless Hybrid forks. So why does it work so well in all my mid 2000 Max and Speed series, PBR updated forks? I must be magic, or they must be lying to push folks to buy new product instead of keeping their perfectly functional older forks running, you decide.

    They knew they screwed people for years with their pointless redesign bullcrap, so of course they offered it for free (to Hybrid customers only).

    Now it turns out, they fail too. Sure, they *can* work well, but I've seen many failures, from multiple modes.

    Prior to being told I was no longer technically capable or adept enough to continue to service their products, I tried to communicate the issues I was seeing with 2Spring, only to be met with a corporate wall of denial.

    I blamed myself first, I must have inadvertently used .02 milligrams too much grease, or not quite the right amount of oil to thin down the grease. But then I started to get calls from customers who'd had their local dealer do it, and were having issues as well, then I started to see issues coming from forks serviced at the only place on earth who could possibly do it correctly, the factory tech room themselves.

    Still nothing but denial from Cannondale.

    Soon after, I was dumped as a dealer, I guess I shouldn't have spent years seeing what worked and what didn't, and then trying to communicate these issues to a company I'd worked side by side with for close to 25 years? I'll never know.

    Edit: They also constantly promised that the 2Spring kits would be available "soon" as a standalone purchase. To date, they are still not, so basically, unless you get one free, you'll never be able to purchase one (not that you'd want to now) and since all the older parts have been discontinued, well, there's your *money grab* for you. Oh, we're sorry, you can't keep your old fork running because we stopped selling the parts, and we won't sell you new ones (that will work)? How about we give you a sweet deal on a brand new fork that eats itself alive without constant care and feeding (that can only be done by us now, by the way), sounds great, huh?
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    Never change, MCS. You serve us well.

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    Oh, we're sorry, you can't keep your old fork running because we stopped selling the parts, and we won't sell you new ones (that will work)? How about we give you a sweet deal on a brand new fork that eats itself alive without constant care and feeding (that can only be done by us now, by the way), sounds great, huh?
    This is the only thing that makes me nervous about owning a 2005 scalpel with a lefty. I love this bike; hell it weights 24 pounds and impressed the guys at the LBS recently. But why not stock the old parts? Keeping this lefty running without people like MCS would probably be impossible and a way to get everyone into buying new, perhaps inferior, leftys.

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    I should have parts for a good time to come.

    It's Cannondale that isn't supporting them, I'm doing all I can to not go broke continuing to purchase large volumes of parts from OEM suppliers, that's all....
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    So which do you think was better - the last gen wave washer type or the 2spring?

    I reckon the last gen wave washer spring felt more supple.

    That's not cool what Cannondale are doing to you as well. Very disappointing!

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    I actually can't tell the difference.

    I have some that are 2Spring, some that are Solo Air X, and one or two that are still "Pringles".

    They all feel great to me. Worth noting, I run all my forks volume reducer free, so they are already WAY plusher than the stock set up. I almost wonder if they seek more plushness from the piston because they cancel it all out with all the silly volume reduction they insist on.

    As such, Pringles wins out because you can reliably get two to three years out of them, and by then, if you haven't had your fork serviced, well, it's past due, and you deserve whatever guff your fork dishes out your way!

    Thanks, agreed, plainly I'm not "over it" but I'm over it inasmuch as life moves on, and what can't be helped, must be endured, and riding my bike is still freaking awesome...
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    I sourced a 2spring from Europe and put it in my 2013 Lefty Hybrid XLR Carbon. Works great - so far. Never had any problem with the solo air system though, just did this as an experiment.

    Interestingly, there was barely any bath oil in the fork. 2 years ago I had the lower leg replaced due to it becoming very green, and perhaps it was going to happen very soon again if i didn't pull it apart. With 20mL of Fox gold and the 2spring - fork is amazing! Much plusher than before, and ZERO oil has leaked out. Used Slickoleum for the 2spring grease, this may be a bit thin but i'll wait and see. (I'm in Australia btw). Also run the fork with no volume reducers.

    The XLR damper still works great - i will probably never touch it til it fails, then buy a whole new damper (have the damper seals but can't find the info I want to give it a crack)

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    Thanks, great explanation. My PBR 130 is in a box waiting to go back for more TLC.

    Gutted like everyone else to hear what you've experienced

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