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    ... and if we just ... New Cannondale 05 here;

    This is the new Cannondale bike, sorry for copying this link, but it makes very interesting reading.

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1406

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    Hummm.

    Damn, now I want one! If it really is 24 pounds when the production version is released, my Cake might be for sale...

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    weight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Damn, now I want one! If it really is 24 pounds when the production version is released, my Cake might be for sale...
    I know how you feel, though I will keep my gemini 04 2000. Still want one though!!!

    The weight will be accurate, its a UK website and they are truthfull in their tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catnash
    I know how you feel, though I will keep my gemini 04 2000. Still want one though!!!

    The weight will be accurate, its a UK website and they are truthfull in their tests.
    It's not that I don't trust the testers, it's more that the bikes they tried might be non-production versions so the weights might vary a bit when the bikes hit the shops showrooms...

    But I'll keep my current bike for a while, my Cake is very nice but there were a few "new model bugs" so next time, I'm buying a bike that's been around for at least a few months and no more Trek-Fisher-Etc... I haven't been impressed with Trek's craftmanship and build quality, compared with Cannondale's, they should be ashamed...

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    I did like how the rear derailleur cable went through the rear triangle, i hope that stays for production. I'm still wanting to see this endurance bike though, but it's going to have to be great for me not to buy a prophet.

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    That bike looks just awesome. I hope it doesn't come out extremly expensive... so I can get me one.
    Who is this doin' this synthetic type of alpha-beta psychadelic funkin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by xctico
    That bike looks just awesome. I hope it doesn't come out extremly expensive... so I can get me one.
    There will be a few models, but the "I-want-it-BAD" model with the Carbon Lefty Max with SPV, CrossMax wheels and other nice parts wont be cheap I expect.

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    You're probably right. The cheapest one will probably be aroud $2k and the top of the line $5k
    Who is this doin' this synthetic type of alpha-beta psychadelic funkin'

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    Those are european spec bikes, but it is 100% accurate to how they will be in production. There is going to be a bunch of models so I am sure you'll find one in your price range.

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    Check out Hcor.net

    There's a story on http://www.Hcor.net about Aaron Chase and Don Hampton going to Europe for a Cannondale media event announcing the release of those bikes. Chase mentioned the weight as 27.5 lbs.

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    24lbs No way

    I just read an article about the prophet and the target weight when the bike is released is 27lbs.

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    24lbs No Way

    i agree with ronny it should probly be around 27lbs,
    the scalpel teem is 23
    3000 is 24
    2000 is 25
    if the new prophit is 24lbs then the new marathon should be lighter again ,so is the new scalpels going to 20lbs?
    just curious :

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    If you wanna be a weight wennie about it, you can shave a pound or two off the scalpel team, by loosing the lefty and getting a headshok (ouch)...
    but seriously, a sub20 scalpel would be too sweet... not that I can affort it, or that I would buy it even if I had the money... (at least not till I start standing on some podiums... very frecuently)
    Who is this doin' this synthetic type of alpha-beta psychadelic funkin'

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    Any Info On The 2005 Marathon?????

    Hi There!!!!
    Would Anyone Have Any Info On The 2005 Marathon Bike??

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    Quote Originally Posted by xctico
    You're probably right. The cheapest one will probably be aroud $2k and the top of the line $5k
    $5k USD? Damn, that makes it in the $6500 CAD range!

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    That's what any of their high end 2004 bikes cost... so I'm just guessing the price will runaround those numbers, maybe even more than 5k USD
    Who is this doin' this synthetic type of alpha-beta psychadelic funkin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    There will be a few models, but the "I-want-it-BAD" model with the Carbon Lefty Max with SPV, CrossMax wheels and other nice parts wont be cheap I expect.
    When is Crackanfale gonna come up with an original bike design that doesn't suck? That bike looks like a Ventana Pantera.

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    When is Crackanfale gonna come up with an original bike design that doesn't suck? That bike looks like a Ventana Pantera.
    Dude, that is one of the lamest things I have ever heard. If you anything about bikes you would know that cdale has been using that frame style for over 10 years now. Ever hear of a killer V? If anything I would say Ventana took some influence from Cannondale......Besides have you even ridden one of these new bikes, because if not how do you have any clue if it sucks or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    Dude, that is one of the lamest things I have ever heard. If you anything about bikes you would know that cdale has been using that frame style for over 10 years now. Ever hear of a killer V? If anything I would say Ventana took some influence from Cannondale......Besides have you even ridden one of these new bikes, because if not how do you have any clue if it sucks or not?
    Sorry Dude, after watching my buddy break two Jeckyl 1000's and all the trouble he had with that piece oh sh*t fatty headshok I'm all set with riding junk!

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by pufdup
    Sorry Dude, after watching my buddy break two Jeckyl 1000's and all the trouble he had with that piece oh sh*t fatty headshok I'm all set with riding junk!

    Huh? Not sure what you are attempting to say.

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    Also for 2005?

    I found this "drawing" of what looks like a possible Cannondale marathon or endurance racing bike on a German website where folks were also talking about the Prophet. From what I could understand, the guy that first posted it was sort of ambivalent as to whether or not it was a fake mock up or not, but it certainly looked to be of the same style as the mock up of the Prophet, which we have seen in the flesh, which was also posted there. Any thoughts? Here's the link, maybe one of you speaks German.


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    That's a pretty mockup, but I wwas trying to trace the path of travel on that shock/swingarm combo and my calculations just say "wrongo".

    Some people have too much time on their hands and a copy of Photoshop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by direktor
    That's a pretty mockup, but I wwas trying to trace the path of travel on that shock/swingarm combo and my calculations just say "wrongo".

    Some people have too much time on their hands and a copy of Photoshop...

    I thought as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantB
    I thought as much.
    Talk to your dealers about more '05 bikes and specs that were released today.

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    I should clarify...

    The overall direction of the above design seems plausible...a natural extension of the Scalpel obviously.

    But given the big error in the rear suspension rendering, I just thought it should be taken with a grain of salt.

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    I think the drawing might be for real. It was on the German Forum some time ago an Cannodale asked the webmaster to remove the post. There was also a drawing of the Prophet in the same post and the actual prophet looks the same as the drawing on the post.
    let us wait and see when the bike is released

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    Quote Originally Posted by xctico
    If you wanna be a weight wennie about it, you can shave a pound or two off the scalpel team, by loosing the lefty and getting a headshok (ouch)...
    but seriously, a sub20 scalpel would be too sweet... not that I can affort it, or that I would buy it even if I had the money... (at least not till I start standing on some podiums... very frecuently)
    Carbon Lefty ELO weighs in at around 3lbs. Replacing it with the currently lightest Fatty will save about 2oz of weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantB
    I found this "drawing" of what looks like a possible Cannondale marathon or endurance racing bike on a German website where folks were also talking about the Prophet. From what I could understand, the guy that first posted it was sort of ambivalent as to whether or not it was a fake mock up or not, but it certainly looked to be of the same style as the mock up of the Prophet, which we have seen in the flesh, which was also posted there. Any thoughts? Here's the link, maybe one of you speaks German.


    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=123141

    That was actually an early design of the Prophet. No Cdale is gonna be produced that looks like that.. still trying to find a pic of the Darwin.
    ...he said "young man pay heed, you listen well to what i say, now there comes a time for a man to walk away"

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    scalpel's are still nice, too

    Quote Originally Posted by lastminutebastrd
    That was actually an early design of the Prophet. No Cdale is gonna be produced that looks like that.. still trying to find a pic of the Darwin.
    In the meantime, here a nice detail of christoph sauser's new scalpel - with carbon inserts like the six13 ...



    said to be 9.5 kg before 'optimising' with alloy discs ...

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    Carbon Scalpel

    Quote Originally Posted by offpiste
    In the meantime, here a nice detail of christoph sauser's new scalpel - with carbon inserts like the six13 ...

    said to be 9.5 kg before 'optimising' with alloy discs ...
    Hummmm... Interesting. I'm not in the market for a race bike but I'm looking forward to get more details. Not that it's a very surprising bike tough, it was the next logical step.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm more carbon scalpel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Hummmm... Interesting. I'm not in the market for a race bike but I'm looking forward to get more details. Not that it's a very surprising bike tough, it was the next logical step.
    well, then you will like this picture - showing the full bike with winner c. sauser, 2nd roel paulissen and 3rd kashi leuchs in a race last weekend (www.o-tour.ch)




    and a detail from susi's scalpel (from www.move.ch): ELO-trigger integrated into right barend ...




    hope all these lightweight parts don't melt away in the heat of the olympics

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    WOW, 9.5 kg?
    A good reason to have bar-ends.

    Cannondale is probably the only company that, whenever they come up with a new bike, I wanna sell mine and get one... I might be a Cannondalaolic.

    Did you see Kashi's leg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pufdup
    When is Crackanfale gonna come up with an original bike design that doesn't suck? That bike looks like a Ventana Pantera.
    Is it my imagination or is it only the people who have never owned a Cdale that bash them?

    How can all of the top pros in different the disciplines of our sport (XC,DH,STREET,ROAD) win on these pieces of junk?

    Ok I know PuffDuppy, so don't get scared guys, this should remain civil...I'll yell at him on behalf of all other Cdale lovers out there.

    First and foremost Puff Duppy, didn't your new ROCKY MOUNTAIN Slayer just break!!! I did a thorough check over on the "Creaky Mountain" room, and didn't see any mention or proclamation that RM's suck from you, despite a couple of riders all having the same broken chain stays. Hummmm what smells?...it's the Hypocrite!

    Are Cannondale bikes flawless? No, but that's the price you pay for owning a bike from the foremost leader in new technology and innovative bike design. Yes, I have broken two chain stays on an older "single" swing arm Jekyll (way off camber landing), but because Cannondale is such an awesome AMERICAN bike company, they fixed the problem super quick, no hassles, no questions they just fixed it. And yes, I have seen one older hard tail frame break in two, and Cdale sent him a new Scalpel as replacement. One time they even sent me a new free "moto" fork, cause I was a dumbass and didn't lock my bike in the rack which resulted in a broken wheel tab. You show me another bike company that would do that! ohh and Pufdup Canada is not part of the USA hence your bike is well... Canadian, it's not the same, you've got a little red leaf while I'm sporting the good old RED WHITE and BLUE!

    I have owned SIX different Cannondale bikes (minus the one wimpy swing arm design), all of these bikes have held up to much abuse, no squeaks or pivot issues, no broken frames (for me), leftys, headshocks they all worked great, and that's why I continue to buy handmade Cannondales without hesitation.

    Stop flinging ****!

    Cannondales Rule!

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    Personally I can't see myself getting another Cannondale before they go full carbon in road and XC bikes. The aluminum/carbon mix tubing is hogwash. Also, I'd like to see the top of the line products available as separate framesets.

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    Does full carbon matter that much? Personally I think the hand made approach is way cooler than the pop em outta the chinese mold approach that other companies take. As for framesets, they're all available. All you need to do is ask your shop. You can get a scalpel, optimo hardtail, gemini DH, chase, six13, whatever all as framesets.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    I've seen the specs for 05 models today. In the "All Mountain" series there will be only one model with Jekyll frame - a low end. Than there will be one 4x team replica Prophet with bolt through rear hub. That one pictured above is Prophet 4000 - high end model, it will have SRAM X.0 rear mech, XT front mech, SRAM X.9 trigger shifters, XTR cassette, new FSA carbon crank, FSA carbon seatpost and oversized risers, ODI Ruffian grips, Carbon Lefty MAX+ w/ Ti coil, CrossMax SL wheels, Magura Martas SL dics brakes and Fizik Gobi saddle. Pretty sweet if you ask me. The other model has also Carbon Lefty and the rest is classic MAX+ (read aluminium shell).

    Oh, and Lefty on Scalpel has now 110mm travel. Scalpel Team replica will sell for about 7k Euros. I dunno the prices for Prophets just yet.

    It seems to me that my '03 Jekyll will get out of my house and I will get second mortgage to get the Prophet 4000.

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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by pecka
    Oh, and Lefty on Scalpel has now 110mm travel. Scalpel Team replica will sell for about 7k Euros. I dunno the prices for Prophets just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    Does full carbon matter that much? Personally I think the hand made approach is way cooler than the pop em outta the chinese mold approach that other companies take.
    -Ron
    Who says you have to buy a Chinese carbon bike? Aside from that, the carbon mix bikes are also popped out of a mold, a way cheaper mold as a matter of fact. If you're looking for frames made by exclusive skilled craftsmen Cannondale isn't the place to look. It's plain and simple mass production work. In my opinion they make pretty good stuff however.

    As for framesets, they're all available. All you need to do is ask your shop. You can get a scalpel, optimo hardtail, gemini DH, chase, six13, whatever all as framesets.
    You can't in Europe. Their pricing here is a bad joke as well.

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    ....it seems I spoke too quickly...it looks like '05 stuff will be available as framesets in Europe as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecka
    That one pictured above is Prophet 4000 - high end model, it will have SRAM X.0 rear mech, XT front mech, SRAM X.9 trigger shifters, XTR cassette, new FSA carbon crank, FSA carbon seatpost and oversized risers, ODI Ruffian grips, Carbon Lefty MAX+ w/ Ti coil, CrossMax SL wheels, Magura Martas SL dics brakes and Fizik Gobi saddle. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

    It seems to me that my '03 Jekyll will get out of my house and I will get second mortgage to get the Prophet 4000.
    Yep, I'm thinking of selling 2 of my bikes to get that Prophet 4000... Or maybe I will get a 2000, I'm waiting for the specs of the whole line-up and the prices up here in Canada...

    Is this the 2000?


    Are they going SRAM all the way for high-end bikes next year?

    Problem is, I talked with my LBS about the bike and they don't have Cannondale bikes available for test rides... Odd. They say Cannondale don't provide them with demo bikes...
    Last edited by Dan Gerous; 08-03-2004 at 11:50 AM.

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    Peca!!!!!

    I,m from the UK. Have just checked your 2005 prices. What bikes have u got in?

    Do you have pics of 2005 F4000sl ???

    Thanks

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    Cannondale changed the setup of the scalpel 3000, it is much lower in price (6199 euro for the 2004 model and now 5599 for the 2005 model). The put now a lower priced tubes on it from Mavic and not the Crossmax. It is a little bit said, because those tubes rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KleinAttitude
    Peca!!!!!

    I,m from the UK. Have just checked your 2005 prices. What bikes have u got in?

    Do you have pics of 2005 F4000sl ???

    Thanks
    Hi, I'm not from UK, I'm from CZ. Unfortunately I don't have pictures of the new models, I've just seen specs. I'll try to get them and post them into this forum. I would love to get new bike but I can't justify to get rid of the Jekyll and get the Prophet...sigh. I will have to wait for the '06 models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecka
    Hi, I'm not from UK, I'm from CZ. Unfortunately I don't have pictures of the new models, I've just seen specs. I'll try to get them and post them into this forum. I would love to get new bike but I can't justify to get rid of the Jekyll and get the Prophet...sigh. I will have to wait for the '06 models.
    I would really like to see the specs, altough you'll have the European specs which might be slightly different than here in Canada...

    That big picture sure is annoying!

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    F4000SL & F2000SL Spec.(Europe)

    Is this what you're looking for ???
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    F4000SL & F2000SL Spec.(Europe)

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    please post also the specs of the scalpel 2000 / 3000 and team replica...!!!

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    Team >>>

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    Interesting but what is what?

    FSA something w/DATA security system? Is that an anti-theft system for Tinker?

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    Scalpel 3000 & 2000

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