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    more Caffeine 29'er 1 pics...

    There were a few requests for more pics. I hope this will help. I also got my final weight on the bike down to 22.66 lbs for a large.















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    Now that is a sweet ride...

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    Nice
    I hope I can get mine that light......If it ever arrives
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    I've got that same wheelset coming for my caffeine 29er. Can't wait, mine is the raw finish. Should be a nice ride.

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    Nice looking bike matt... can you write the specs of your bike now?

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    specs..

    Quote Originally Posted by leadpack
    Nice looking bike matt... can you write the specs of your bike now?
    Here ya go.,

    2008 Cannondale F29 one - large
    Lefty SL 80mm w/ 120mm -5* SI stem/steerer
    Stan's ZTR 355 29'er rims
    DT Supercomp spokes
    Red alloy nipples
    Front Lefty Omega SI hub
    Rear AC hub
    SRAM PG990 11-34 cassette
    Maxxis crossmark - front (29x2.1)
    Kenda Small Block 8 - rear (29x2.1)
    Marta SL front / rear brakes
    XTR Front derailleur
    XO medium cage rear derailleur
    XO grip shift
    FSA k-force carbon flat bars
    Ergon shorty's for grip shift
    Thompson 31.6 x 400mm Elite post
    Selle Itilia SLR saddle
    2 - trek bat cages

    I think that should be everything - hope I didn't leave anything about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmor
    Here ya go.

    Thompson 34.9 x 400mm Elite post
    Would you verify the diameter? I thought it was 31.6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perioeci
    Would you verify the diameter? I thought it was 31.6.
    You are correct, I was thinking front derailleur. It is in fact a 31.9 x 400mm Thompson Elite.

    Thanks for pointing it out.

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    2008 Cannondale 29er 1

    Here are the specs on my 2008 Cannondale Caffeine 29er 1:

    2008 Cannondale F29 one - medium
    Lefty SL 80mm w/ 120mm -5* SI stem/steerer
    Stan's ZTR 355 29er front/Stans ZTR Arch 29er Rear
    Front Lefty Omega SI hub
    Rear XTR Centerlock hub
    SRAM PG990 11-34 cassette
    Maxxis Ignitor- front/rear (29x2.1)
    Shimano XTR Disc Brakes/XTR Levers
    Sram X-9 Front Derailleur
    XO Long cage rear derailleur
    XO grip shift
    Easton Monkeylite SL Riser
    Thompson 31.6 x 400mm Elite post
    Fizik Gobi Ti Saddle
    Eggbeaters SL pedals
    2 - trek bat cages

    22.5 lbs even. Haven't been able to ride it too much due to the poor weather in upstate New York.

    Still plan on upgrading to carbon cages and possibly a Stans rotor on the front, not sure if its worth the $$$.

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    Here is mine. 2008 Cannodale Caffeine 29er1 Raw, size large, mostly stock



    Upgrades on the way...
    Stans 355 wheelset, Kenda small blocks, XT cassette, FSA carbon bar, maybe a new saddle?

    currently 26.02 lbs, hope to get to 23.00 or less.
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    P.S.
    This is my first 29er, and so far I am hooked. I've been riding all kinds of bikes over the last 10 years and I must say, the 29er tire size is truely alot of fun. If you are thinking about it, try it out. You may be surprised. I can't wait for the countless memories my new 29er and I are going to have, so much fun.

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    small block 8's...

    I wouldn't recommend the Small Block 8's. I've had a few tubeless blowouts with that tire. I've had great luck with Maxxis Crossmarks and Ignitors. Shouldn't be too hard to get to 23# with that wheelset, and maybe a few other lightweight parts.

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    Matt
    thanks for the advice. I am also looking for some Racing Ralphs but cannont get a pair at the moment. Any other Ideas for 580-600 gram tires to run tubeless on the 355's? I live in NW Montana and think of this wheelset as a race / smooth course type of wheelset / tire combo. I will probably run the stock WTB Prowlers with the Laserdiscs for wet / spring like conditions and all around riding, or if the trail is super rough and gnarly. Again, thanks again.

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    Light Tires

    The Maxxis Ignitors are around 575 grams. I actually weighed one of mine and it tipped the scales around 560 grams. Run Stans sealant and you have the ultimate racing setup. They work perfectly with the Stans rims.

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    White Juicy's

    pd406: Did those come stock? Look good. I'd like to get a set of white Ultimates, but don't know when they'll be available.

    mattmor: thanks for verifying the seatpost diameter. Buying a $120 post that won't fit one's new bike would blow some seriously large wang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perioeci
    mattmor: thanks for verifying the seatpost diameter. Buying a $120 post that won't fit one's new bike would blow some seriously large wang.
    Did you buy the complete 29'er 1? If so it comes with a Thompson Elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmor
    Did you buy the complete 29'er 1? If so it comes with a Thompson Elite.
    No, LG Raw frame and Carbon SL fork only.

    Right now my bike consists of:
    X.0 grip shifters (used from last year)
    KCNC Sc Pro Lite post (have a Ti Pro Lite, and would have gone with another for this build, but need setback on this frame)
    KCNC post clamp
    Bold Precision rear Ti skewer
    Crank Brothers Egg beater 4 Ti
    Ritchey WCS Road Triple Crankset (going double, 38-24), XTR BB (Might get an FSA K-Force Light)
    white Jagwire housing

    On the way:
    Frame and Fork
    NoTubes 355 wheelset
    NoTubes Al rotors (160/140)
    NoTubes Ti rotor bolt kits

    I haven't ordered the rest of the parts yet, but should within the next week.

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    white juicy's

    No they are not stock, I picked them up from a buddy who has a Taurine. Somehow I managed to talk him into a straight up trade. I think I got the better deal...

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    Question about cable housing

    I noticed that you guys weren't running full housing. I assume your bikes came with cable stops. I just got my frame Monday, and it has guides for full housing, but they're too wide to hold brake hoses or 5mm derailleur housing by themselves, and they don't have slots for zipties.

    Looking at some other pictures that people have posted, it appears that there are adapters to hold the housing/hose in place, regardless of which method people are using, i.e. full housing or stops.

    Should I have the shop call Cannondale and ask for stops or adapters for the guides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perioeci
    I noticed that you guys weren't running full housing. I assume your bikes came with cable stops. I just got my frame Monday, and it has guides for full housing, but they're too wide to hold brake hoses or 5mm derailleur housing by themselves, and they don't have slots for zipties.

    Looking at some other pictures that people have posted, it appears that there are adapters to hold the housing/hose in place, regardless of which method people are using, i.e. full housing or stops.

    Should I have the shop call Cannondale and ask for stops or adapters for the guides?
    Yes. There are stops that fit into the guide. They look to be a black plastic or nylon.
    All of my Cannondales are like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1440Brad
    Yes. There are stops that fit into the guide. They look to be a black plastic or nylon.
    All of my Cannondales are like this.
    Thanks, bike shop forgot to give me the package containing them and some other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perioeci
    Thanks, bike shop forgot to give me the package containing them and some other things.
    Don't forget the pics when it's all together....
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    pictures and a stem question.

    So, I'm still waiting for the Stans' wheels, rotors, a Specialités TA 38t chainring, and a stem to arrive. I have an XC3 SI on order from the shop, but it's taking forever, and I think i may need a deeper drop than the -5 degrees of the SI stem. Does anyone have a 10 degree, 100mm, 31.8 lying around? Bonus for a silver one. I have my people scouring the internet for one, nothing yet.
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    Perioeci,

    Thats gonna be one sweet F29'er - should prolly come in under 22lbs right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmor
    Perioeci,

    Thats gonna be one sweet F29'er - should prolly come in under 22lbs right?
    Actually, I'm hoping it'll be under 21. So far, all the components I've weighed have been close to expectations. I was going to use a Ritchey WCS triple road crankset I had laying around, which is pretty light, but even with the widest octalink BB I could find (you can see it in that last picture), it wouldn't clear the frame, and I couldn't justify the price of the K-Force Light for a 60 or so grams saving over the Deus. The silver looks good and I've been happy with the one on the GF Rig that I pulled off last year's race bike, besides the sh!tty bearings. They haven't creaked after a year of abuse, and they're stiff. The 38t ring is Al, as are all the bolts, so that helps with the weight. Some Enduro ceramics will go in there when the bearings crap out.

    Two Crossmarks were 620/628 grams, incidentally. I've seen them lighter elsewhere, but I can live with that. I hope Maxxis decides to do Exception series versions of their 29er tires. There's a very noticeable difference in the tackiness of the rubber, and they're lighter, too. 29er Larsens, Maxxlites, and the new Monorail would be welcome, as well. I'm a Maxxis whore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perioeci
    for a 60 or so grams saving over the Deus.

    Two Crossmarks were 620/628 grams, incidentally. I've seen them lighter elsewhere, but I can live with that. I hope Maxxis decides to do Exception series versions of their 29er tires. There's a very noticeable difference in the tackiness of the rubber, and they're lighter, too. 29er Larsens, Maxxlites, and the new Monorail would be welcome, as well. I'm a Maxxis whore.
    Thats a nice weight goal. What do those cranks with rings and bb weigh in at? What gearing are you planning on running?

    I'd like to see maxxis come out with some more 29er options. My crossmarks weighed in at 620ish as well. I have a set of crow's that weigh in around 456/466 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmor
    Thats a nice weight goal. What do those cranks with rings and bb weigh in at? What gearing are you planning on running?
    I'll be running 38-24.

    They came in at 820g on the nose, stock. The Specialites TA rings are really light. So, with the new rings and all Al bolts, and a little research on Weight Weenies' website, I'm guessing 760.

    On another note, the white Juicy Ultimates appeared in QBP's database this weekend. Damnit.

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    It's Official

    My LBS called and said my F29 is in .
    The only problem is, I am working out of town this week, and can't pick it up until Friday
    The other good news is, they weighed it and it came out to 25 pounds even, without pedals. It's a medium.
    This seems light for a 29er. Cannondale lists it at 26.6 pounds, and they claim to weigh the medium. I was thinking that a 24lb 29er would be a good compliment to my Prophet, but now .... maybe a 23lb hardtail would work.
    Does 25lb sound right? Can I get to my goal by changing wheels, and installing a carbon bar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1440Brad
    My LBS called and said my F29 is in .
    The only problem is, I am working out of town this week, and can't pick it up until Friday
    The other good news is, they weighed it and it came out to 25 pounds even, without pedals. It's a medium.
    This seems light for a 29er. Cannondale lists it at 26.6 pounds, and they claim to weigh the medium. I was thinking that a 24lb 29er would be a good compliment to my Prophet, but now .... maybe a 23lb hardtail would work.
    Does 25lb sound right? Can I get to my goal by changing wheels, and installing a carbon bar?
    You could potentially lose nearly 2 pounds, depending on the wheelset, and with a tubeless conversion. Or, if you're not ready for tubeless, stick some 26" tubes in there.

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    Thanks Perioeci
    I'm all for tubeless. I have 819s on my Prophet and have had no issues.
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    wow, this looks very similar to my build.

    differences: ritchey carbon bar, king hubs + ztr rims, Cannondale EX cranks, Marta SL brakes.

    its a great buildup you have.
    im waiting on the mid june release of the 29er BB30 version, then i will be in heaven. thats the only way it could get better. little birdie said they are coming!

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    also, show your complete pics and weight too.

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    also, my LBS has the stem you need. if you need one asap, paypal me and i will go get it for you and put it in the mail same day.

    if this is the case, PM me, as i dont get on here that much.

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    you guys need to get the thomson masterpiece especially if building from scratch... they are more money but save 40-60 grams. and they're cool

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    yeah, ive got a masterpiece on 2 bikes, and an elite on 1 bike. i got the elite for free, plus, paying the add'l cost for the masterpiece isnt really worth if. if i wanted to drop 40/50 grams i could do it. i am more into riding the bike than nit picking that much.

    as far as "being cool". im not worried about that either so much. i ride what i ride to have fun. dont really worry about others thoughts. plus, other than the script, they look the same.

    all thomson posts rule!

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    yep. well, as far as the cheapest way to save static weight off your bike without losing strength, i guess thats where the masterpiece makes sense... i mean, if these guys are looking for stans 355 rims and building trick wheelsets then i think they can manage the extra $50. not to mention the masterpiece seems to have an extra bit of class. sorta like showing up on your ducati instead of a honda.

    just my two cents. all or your 29ers look great. i'm holding out for the system6 ish 6-works (i really hope it has that label) bb30 bike as well. it will go great with my rush carbon

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    Quote Originally Posted by josephgrimes
    i mean, if these guys are looking for stans 355 rims and building trick wheelsets then i think they can manage the extra $50.
    The KCNC Ti Pro Lite seatpost on my build weighs 162 grams. It was not cheap. I used a 27.2 on last year's race bike without issue. But I don't weigh much myself.

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    Finally

    I finally got my F29.
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    Just brought it home today. First ride is scheduled for the morning.
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    joseph, got news. that bike wont be coming. sorry. thats a 1 off proto. the only "6 works" photo you see browsing around on th web was taken by me.

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    yeah our outside rep tells me that isn't coming out too. oh well. i'll be interested in the bb30 with the new lefty sl if that hits... maybe by the time it comes out i'll have money for one!!! all the c-dale 29'ers look ggggrrrreeeeeaaaattttt and i want one.

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    yeah, i hope you get one too! you would love them both. frame and fork.

    cannondale is going to make it tougher to pick between the SL at 2.6 and a fox internal at 2.9 with lockout button on top.

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    Some crappy pictures ...

    These were taken this past Friday before I got it all dirty again over the weekend. I'll try to get some better pictures after another cleaning and post some impressions. Mostly a comparison between it and the 07 Gary Fisher Rig. Will try to ride them back-to-back to get clearer ideas. The weight came out to be nearly 9/10th's of a pound heavier than I estimated. Oh well, it's still pretty light. Going to strip it down and weigh everything before the next race in two weeks. And I finally found a stem (20 degree) to get my handlebars down to the proper height, should be here before next weekend. Incidentally, this bike has been a nightmare to put together. Full, horrific, story will perhaps follow. But here's the kicker: After finally putting it together two Fridays ago (the night before the weekend of my first races of the year), I blew my front tire off my rim in Saturday's TT (~18 minute race), and broke my chain on the XC on Sunday. I also sheared off the head of a front brake adapter bolt during that weekend (I swear I didn't over tighten it.), and the little screw that holds the lever-pin in place on my left brake lever mysteriously fell out over that weekend as well. I never touched it.
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    Troy : Nice bike !!!
    Same colour as my Rush .

    Come to London on the 26/27 as the LMB
    group is riding Fanshawe and Boler .

    Oh yeah ........ nice work area for your bike there ;-)

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    its a beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccaddy
    Troy : Nice bike !!!
    Same colour as my Rush .

    Come to London on the 26/27 as the LMB
    group is riding Fanshawe and Boler .

    Oh yeah ........ nice work area for your bike there ;-)
    Sure... But which one do I bring?
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    There is a GORBA ride on the 27th that I was considering ... Where are you riding on the 26th?
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    What gearing is on that 29er? It doesn't look like you have a big ring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichwic
    What gearing is on that 29er? It doesn't look like you have a big ring?
    You talkin' to me? 38/24. 38x11 on a 29er is close to a 44x12 on a 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by perioeci
    These were taken this past Friday before I got it all dirty again over the weekend. I'll try to get some better pictures after another cleaning and post some impressions. Mostly a comparison between it and the 07 Gary Fisher Rig. Will try to ride them back-to-back to get clearer ideas. The weight came out to be nearly 9/10th's of a pound heavier than I estimated. Oh well, it's still pretty light. Going to strip it down and weigh everything before the next race in two weeks. And I finally found a stem (20 degree) to get my handlebars down to the proper height, should be here before next weekend. Incidentally, this bike has been a nightmare to put together. Full, horrific, story will perhaps follow. But here's the kicker: After finally putting it together two Fridays ago (the night before the weekend of my first races of the year), I blew my front tire off my rim in Saturday's TT (~18 minute race), and broke my chain on the XC on Sunday. I also sheared off the head of a front brake adapter bolt during that weekend (I swear I didn't over tighten it.), and the little screw that holds the lever-pin in place on my left brake lever mysteriously fell out over that weekend as well. I never touched it.
    Hey, make sure you be careful with the promoto bars... Flying Wombat snapped one with his SI stem/steerer.

    Cant find the post, sorry

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    Prices for the F29's?

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    Sorry for the bump, but I'd also like to know the MSRP of the caffeine 29ers, particularly the 1 and 2.

    Thanks guys, bikes look great.

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    1: $2,499
    2: $1,699

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    Thanks!

    The 1 might be stretching my budget, even though I can get a good deal on it, but damn is it sweet. I might feel the upgradeitis bug on the 2.

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