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    Lifetime warranty tested

    I finally pinned down a creak on my bike today. A small crack near the top of the seat tube. What makes this case interesting is my bike is a 1992 M700. I'm the orginal owner. It was ridden very often early in its life but the last 10 years have been spent riding around the neighborhood with the kids. Until about 3 months ago that is. I started hitting the local trails again and noticed this crack this morning after truing the rear wheel.

    Still under the lifetime warranty? What should I expect? Nothing on this frame is compatible with modern components. I should hear back from my local shop tomorrow.

    Let me know what you think.

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    I would not not plan on getting much. That frame is 18 years and who knows how many heat cycles your frame cycled through during that time or what was weight load was placed on top of the bike while it was in the garage. I would hope for a discount on a new ride or frame. Alum does fail and 18 years is a long time for that type of metal. Cannondale would loose money and close their doors if every 18 years old frame/bike got replaced. My 2cents. If your frame was newer that would be different

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    I'm hopeful. A good discount would be a great place to start. I've read some fantastic reports on these types of claims.

    BTW airplanes are made of aluminum and undergo 120+ degree changes (it's very cold at altitude) sometimes several times a day. The 737 or MD80 you're sitting on next time you fly has most likely 10,000 or more cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzaflyer
    I'm hopeful. A good discount would be a great place to start. I've read some fantastic reports on these types of claims.

    BTW airplanes are made of aluminum and undergo 120+ degree changes (it's very cold at altitude) sometimes several times a day. The 737 or MD80 you're sitting on next time you fly has most likely 10,000 or more cycles.
    Yes but the plane is checked for fatigue or failure more than once in 18 years.

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    Keep us posted.

    I am the original owner of a 1990 M1000. Everything is fine and I use it on a trainer these days, but you never know. So let's see, to get 10K "cycles" on my frame, I have to ride my bike every day for over 27 years. I only wish I had that kind of time.

    I'm with you, shouldn't crack unless your beating it to death.

    Best of luck with your claim.

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    The lifetime warrantee is why our bikes cost $2900 in todays money and not $99 at WasMart. The tech is there but we pay extra for this warrantee to the original owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlmichael
    I would not not plan on getting much. That frame is 18 years and who knows how many heat cycles your frame cycled through during that time or what was weight load was placed on top of the bike while it was in the garage. I would hope for a discount on a new ride or frame. Alum does fail and 18 years is a long time for that type of metal. Cannondale would loose money and close their doors if every 18 years old frame/bike got replaced. My 2cents. If your frame was newer that would be different
    whats the point of a lifetime warranty if Cannondale isnt going to honor it? I'd say the OP is going to be nicely surprised. people on this forum have mentioned warranty'ing Super V's and Deltas and getting new model frames. the only issue will be that the components havent failed and wont work on the new frame.

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    Our airplanes have so many inspections it would make your head spin. Stressed aluminum skin works differently than a tubed aluminum bike frame that isn't meant to flex. Not apples and oranges, but close.

    I'd think you might get a lower-end Cannondale out of this. One of the things that makes Cannondale so respected is their warranty.

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    Lifetime doesn't mean your lifetime. It means the useful lifetime of the product. Depends on how much the product has been used. If it hasn't been used much and looks new I think you should get a replacement. If it looks like an 18 year old bike, manybe its useful life is over. At best you would get a comparable replacement which in today's line would be an entry level frame. Then you would have to deal with replacing parts.

    My 2 cents.

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    I always understood "lifetime" to refer to the lifetime of the material not the owner.

    In the case of an Aluminum frame IMO anything up to 10 years would be a reasonable "lifetime".

    Cannondale do offer a frame replacement program, I reckon this is how they'll handle your frame.

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    From Cannondales website: FRAMES: (frame, fork structure, swing arm): Cannondale frames (except frames for Freeride, and Dirt Jumping bikes, see below) are warranted by Cannondale Bicycle Corporation, 16 Trowbridge Drive, Bethel, CT 06801 against manufacturing defects in materials and/or workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner.
    The bike was about mid-range of the hardtails available at the time so I would think that is what they should offer now. A discount on a whole new bike may be easier for all of us. I was planning on buying a new 29er anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzaflyer
    From Cannondales website: FRAMES: (frame, fork structure, swing arm): Cannondale frames (except frames for Freeride, and Dirt Jumping bikes, see below) are warranted by Cannondale Bicycle Corporation, 16 Trowbridge Drive, Bethel, CT 06801 against manufacturing defects in materials and/or workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner.
    The bike was about mid-range of the hardtails available at the time so I would think that is what they should offer now. A discount on a whole new bike may be easier for all of us. I was planning on buying a new 29er anyway.
    Did you register it as the original owner and do you have the original bill of sale ?

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    I can't remember if I did. I was stationed in Germany at the time. The bill of sale was destroyed in a fire when our house burned down four years ago.

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    Expect a new frame , do not expect any parts to change over .

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    what a cheap bastard.

    ok you got an 18 year old bike it finally broke and now your nitpicking about a warranty?

    do you think those canti brakes are gonna swap over? what fork are you gonna use the old p-bone headshock?

    are you really that friggin' cheap?

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    Cheap bastard? Wow, a little harsh there. If his bike has a lifetime warranty why shouldn't it be honored without him being "cheap"? Good grief.

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    Maybe I need to restate what I said. Cannondale will or should stand behind the bike as long as you own it. But the bike also has a life. If the bike still has life in it, you deserve a new frame as long as you own it. However, if its been used-up with no life left you have a frame that you can trade in. I think this is where people get confused. A sales rep will have to make that determination.

    Good luck and I hope you get a new frame or a discount for a new bike. By the way I have a mid 90s Cannondale, but considering how much use I got out of it I wouldn't expect a replacement if it broke.

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    Imagine the respect we would all have for companies if they all did that. I dont care to buy the same products over and over again to employ slaves in sweathouses over seas and give big bonuses to greedy execs here. I like higher end goods-the producs DO reflect their cost of production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000
    what a cheap bastard.

    ok you got an 18 year old bike it finally broke and now your nitpicking about a warranty?

    do you think those canti brakes are gonna swap over? what fork are you gonna use the old p-bone headshock?

    are you really that friggin' cheap?

    M2000 actually doesn't have a headshok or P-Bone fork but a rigid Pepperoni fork.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzaflyer
    I can't remember if I did. I was stationed in Germany at the time. The bill of sale was destroyed in a fire when our house burned down four years ago.
    I think you will have to be able to prove you are the original owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000
    what a cheap bastard.

    ok you got an 18 year old bike it finally broke and now your nitpicking about a warranty?

    do you think those canti brakes are gonna swap over? what fork are you gonna use the old p-bone headshock?

    are you really that friggin' cheap?
    HAL, you're going soft. Tell us what you really think...

    When I read "lifetime" I tend to think in terms of the practical lifetime of the company offering the service.

    OP, in reality if you do get a new frame out of it, it will likely cost you as much, if not more to spec all the components you will need individually as buying a similar spec'ed bike.

    Perhaps discount off of a new Cannondale would be a more helpful scenario, unless of course you have another 5 year old bike kicking around that could use a frame re-fresh.
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    They will probably offer you the lowest end hardtail frame as a replacement. That is what they have done in the past.

    Or.....

    They will offer you a discount on a new frame/fork combo

    Either way its a good deal.

    The best lifetime warranty deals are the sweet spot, about 3-4 years after you purchase the original bike. That way your old parts still transfer over and the new parts required are minimal.

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    If you have the original receipt , there shouldn't be any problems.

    If you don't have it (burnt down you said?) , forget it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof
    If you have the original receipt , there shouldn't be any problems.

    If you don't have it (burnt down you said?) , forget it.
    Unless of course they mailed in the registration card. Otherwise I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NS2000X
    Unless of course they mailed in the registration card. Otherwise I agree.
    ummm base on "warranty claim experience", they will ask for proof of purchase (receipt), Check the original store for proof of purchase/ records if you dont have the receipt. I would say you are out of luck if you dont have those docs .

    makes me think...I have a Jekyll purchased new in 2001 (yes, Im the original owner) and wonder if I can claim it under warranty replacement for a 2011 jekyll

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    It seems like everyone has an opinion on what they think "lifetime warranty" means.

    Here's what my ('94 M800) owner's manual says:

    "Your Cannondale frame is warranted against any manufacturing defects in materials and/or workmanship for as long as you own it. With a proof of purchase, we will repair or replace, at our discretion, any defective frame with the same or comparable model (due to product evolution)"

    Sounds pretty straighforward to me. Prove you bought it, and if it's defective, they'll offer you a comparable replacement.

    You're not a cheap bastard for expecting to get what you pay for.

    Let us know how it shakes out.
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    How is an old ass worn out frame defective? Do you buy a car and keep it perfect for 18 years? If cannondale keeps on sending out replacment frames for issues like this than we should plan on them going bankrupt. Then what will we ride? GT bikes??? I would rather not.. If your frame breaks after 10 years they should start to prorate. We ride mt bikes.....men. if you ride hard enough things. Break. Stop acting like lawyers and man up. Stop hiding behind words and use actions. Just go ride...enough said

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    Quote Originally Posted by spartan23
    makes me think...I have a Jekyll purchased new in 2001 (yes, Im the original owner) and wonder if I can claim it under warranty replacement for a 2011 jekyll
    Thats what im aslo thinking with my Goodboy..... ....then id swop all my pollished limited edition xtr onto it........

    Iv got the original recept and regestered the frame numbers with Chaingang via the Cannondale website at the time....i never got the original warranty card tho....but think i should be covered if i need to warranty the frame....
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    Iv just gone onto the Cannonale website to sign in to see if i could check that my bike is still regestered but it didnt recognise my e-mail or password....

    So i had to re-join....got to the section to regester my bike and it wont let me enter anything before 2005....

    I know i regestered it when i got it in 2002 but wheres all my info gone?....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzaflyer
    I finally pinned down a creak on my bike today. A small crack near the top of the seat tube. What makes this case interesting is my bike is a 1992 M700. I'm the orginal owner. It was ridden very often early in its life but the last 10 years have been spent riding around the neighborhood with the kids. Until about 3 months ago that is. I started hitting the local trails again and noticed this crack this morning after truing the rear wheel.

    Still under the lifetime warranty? What should I expect? Nothing on this frame is compatible with modern components. I should hear back from my local shop tomorrow.

    Let me know what you think.

    Thanks,

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    I say go for it. I would.

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    Heres a link to the 1992 catalouge....M700 is on page 17....

    http://sanaandterry.com/cannondale/year/1992/1992.pdf
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    Thanks for all the inputs. I'm not cheap. I was planning on getting a $3Kish 29er very soon but it was probably not going to be a Cannondale. This way I support my LBS and let him build me a $3K ish bike around a new frame (hopefully).

    No receipt yet. Still looking in some smoky boxes. I did find a early 1993 picture of me on it gong to my first race though.

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    He not cheap. thats an immature statement at best .

    A guarantee is what it is.

    Just like Snap On or anything with a lifetime guarantee.

    It would be very very bad form if they did not honor their own deal.

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    i'd rather be a cheap bastard than an ignorant a$$hole

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    FWIW, the M800 I have cracked in the common spot of the seatube / collar area. Having the proof of buying it, Cannondale offered a frame only Caffeine model.

    So a 1993 M800 frame was worth a 2010 Caffeine. As the others mentioned, tough to make the components and especially the fork fit. They had no intention of doing much more. You are on your own fork wise.

    As for being cheap, or wrong for using the warranty you paid for, you aren't. That was an era when it was very common for low time frames to crack. Also about the same time they started sanding all the welds smooth to reduce stress and no doubt time and cost of fish mouth welds.

    Since the main point of keeping an old M800 BOE, was having an east coast high bottom bracket bike, I opted out of warranty on the frame and bought a new Thomson seatpost. Got everything adjusted for proper height. Then using platenuts (the airplane boys posting should know what they are) I installed the post at a preset height. After that I trimmed off the frame at the seat tube, eliminating the chance for the crack to grow.

    So I've been able to keep a retro M800, convert it to a single speed, that is very light with old school high end aftermarket stuff and a Mag21 to ride until it finally dies.

    Cheap no, just decided Cannondale doesn't offer a bike capable of the clearance that old BOE was delivered with.

    If you check, the older Cannondales came with a lifetime warranty. Somewhere around 2000, they decided to change it to either 2 or 5 years I thought. Not sure how long they warranty composite frames. Hopefully not too long as that's easy money doing repairs on the carbon fibre sections.

    If I were you, and they offer the frame swap under warranty, I would see what size and model Cannondale currently draws the most $ and sell the new frame. Someone will pay far more than it's worth to you, then go buy your new bike, whatever brand it is and put the frame money towards it. Take your leftover components, search and find another M700, or GT, or Specialized or something cool in that vintage, for short money and swap your parts onto it. Best bet is to find a nice steel frame with no rust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK
    FWIW, the M800 I have cracked in the common spot of the seatube / collar area. Having the proof of buying it, Cannondale offered a frame only Caffeine model.

    So a 1993 M800 frame was worth a 2010 Caffeine. As the others mentioned, tough to make the components and especially the fork fit. They had no intention of doing much more. You are on your own fork wise.

    As for being cheap, or wrong for using the warranty you paid for, you aren't. That was an era when it was very common for low time frames to crack. Also about the same time they started sanding all the welds smooth to reduce stress and no doubt time and cost of fish mouth welds.

    Since the main point of keeping an old M800 BOE, was having an east coast high bottom bracket bike, I opted out of warranty on the frame and bought a new Thomson seatpost. Got everything adjusted for proper height. Then using platenuts (the airplane boys posting should know what they are) I installed the post at a preset height. After that I trimmed off the frame at the seat tube, eliminating the chance for the crack to grow.

    So I've been able to keep a retro M800, convert it to a single speed, that is very light with old school high end aftermarket stuff and a Mag21 to ride until it finally dies.

    Cheap no, just decided Cannondale doesn't offer a bike capable of the clearance that old BOE was delivered with.

    If you check, the older Cannondales came with a lifetime warranty. Somewhere around 2000, they decided to change it to either 2 or 5 years I thought. Not sure how long they warranty composite frames. Hopefully not too long as that's easy money doing repairs on the carbon fibre sections.

    If I were you, and they offer the frame swap under warranty, I would see what size and model Cannondale currently draws the most $ and sell the new frame. Someone will pay far more than it's worth to you, then go buy your new bike, whatever brand it is and put the frame money towards it. Take your leftover components, search and find another M700, or GT, or Specialized or something cool in that vintage, for short money and swap your parts onto it. Best bet is to find a nice steel frame with no rust.

    PK
    I don't know what platenuts are....do you have any photos of your frame fix? As a fellow M800 owner, I'm curious to see it
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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzaflyer
    Thanks for all the inputs. I'm not cheap. I was planning on getting a $3Kish 29er very soon but it was probably not going to be a Cannondale. This way I support my LBS and let him build me a $3K ish bike around a new frame (hopefully).

    No receipt yet. Still looking in some smoky boxes. I did find a early 1993 picture of me on it gong to my first race though.
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    Receipt found. Waiting on LBS for an answer.

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    Me too....
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    No one told Cannondale they had to guarantee the frame for life. If he still has the receipt Cannondale should honor their warrantee. Although a steep discount on another frame would be my first choice as well. A friend of mine owns a busy bike shop and recently warranteed a 11 year old Specialized no questions asked. He told me the amount of bikes these manufacturers have to replace is miniscule. Well under 1%. For the amount of positive P.R. it does for the company it would be foolish to not back up their promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spastook
    No one told Cannondale they had to guarantee the frame for life. If he still has the receipt Cannondale should honor their warrantee. Although a steep discount on another frame would be my first choice as well. A friend of mine owns a busy bike shop and recently warranteed a 11 year old Specialized no questions asked. He told me the amount of bikes these manufacturers have to replace is miniscule. Well under 1%. For the amount of positive P.R. it does for the company it would be foolish to not back up their promise.
    When I worked in a shop in the mid 90's I saw GTs and Giants warrantied without issues. Most had receipts proving original ownership, others didn't but the sales reps took care of them without hesitation anyway. Their attitude was they were standing behind the company's bikes, building a brand. It sure made a happy customer, too.
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    If staff in cannondale management see this thread and all the hits its getting, you may even get a free car with your new bike lol.
    This is a perfect opportunity fro the company to show its quality in customer service against others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spastook
    No one told Cannondale they had to guarantee the frame for life.
    Just to clarify, when he bought his bike, Cannondale had a written warranty stating the lifetime warranty.

    This later changed while Cannondale still owned Cannondale.

    My warranty discussion about my M800 was after Cannondale was owned by whoever owns them now. For me they would still honor the previous warranty but obviously didn't need to.

    My guess is if the shop calls Cannondale, he will be offered a leftover 2010 frame of similar material and size. But they may be willing to substitute to the owners request if reasonable and available.

    There is a reason longtime riders know why Cannondales were called Crackenfails. The warranty has been put to use many many times, sometimes warranty upon warranty on the replacement frames. It's how it was back in the 90's, same time frame of this bike.

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    I reckon that if you get nothing then we should at least throw in a few bucks just for the entertainment value, any chance of posting the conversation at the bike shop on youtube??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freediver
    I reckon that if you get nothing then we should at least throw in a few bucks just for the entertainment value, any chance of posting the conversation at the bike shop on youtube??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spastook
    No one told Cannondale they had to guarantee the frame for life. If he still has the receipt Cannondale should honor their warrantee. Although a steep discount on another frame would be my first choice as well. A friend of mine owns a busy bike shop and recently warranteed a 11 year old Specialized no questions asked. He told me the amount of bikes these manufacturers have to replace is miniscule. Well under 1%. For the amount of positive P.R. it does for the company it would be foolish to not back up their promise.
    Nobody was telling him he should not get it , we were just telling him he would need the receipt and be the original owner. which he now has and is ..so good luck too him.

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    The lifetime warranty applies to all bikes with the notable exception that the frames for Freeride & Dirt Jumping bikes (such as Gemini, Gemini DH, Judge, Perp and Chase) are warranted against manufacturing defects in materials and/or workmanship for a period of three (3) years from the date of original retail purchase. Maybe that's what PMK was referring to when citing a recollection of a reduced warranty.

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