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    Lefty wheelset.....

    Hi guys.....might be a question also suited in the wheels forum, but I doubt i'll find a lot of lefty owners there....
    I started saving some money for my "X-mas gift" and wanted to get some opinions first....
    I'm torn between the new Mavic Crossmax SLR and I9 All mountain wheels.....
    From what I read it seems the problems from the previous SLR's have been eliminated and it seems like a very nice wheelset.
    Btw. I need some advice from folks that own one of the above mentioned wheels, so please don't turn this into a CK, Hadley or whatever rules and all other wheels suck discussion.
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    I have the '11 SLR's. Love them. I weigh 215-230 geared. No issues. Strong light UST wheels.

    The only issue is freewheel bushing wear, which is just now beginning to show as some cassette movement - but is easily corrected.

    As you apparently know, the bushing issue has been rectified for '12 and the wheel is wider and lighter. Seems like a no-brainer wheel, to me. The ONLY thing I don't like about the '12 SLR is the white hub color. Prefer the old red. But that's it!
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    if you have the $$$$$ go for the extralite hubs and enve rims
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    I9.

    Quicker engagement.

    Color choice.

    More spokes equals stiffer.

    Rim choice.

    Easy, standard wrench wheel truing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrl View Post
    if you have the $$$$$ go for the extralite hubs and enve rims
    They have a rider's weight limit though...I forgot to mention I weigh about 190-200lbs geared.....couldn't find any info for a weight limit on the '13slr....
    Another thing to consider is that they will be used for everyday aggressive xc/trails riding with drops and jumps no higher than 4' on my Prophet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrl View Post
    if you have the $$$$$ go for the extralite hubs and enve rims
    That's a NOGO for me then....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I9.

    Quicker engagement.

    Color choice.

    More spokes equals stiffer.

    Rim choice.

    Easy, standard wrench wheel truing.

    The one's I looked at would be all black....the spoke count is something I thought would be better on the I9's as well....but the SLR's are really light and if there is no rider's weight limit hard to ignore....true ust is another good reason for the mavics....a plus for the I9's is wider rims....23mm width for the XC and 26mm for the all mountain one....only $85.- more than the mavic's but at almost 1700gr. makes them "only" like 300gr lighter than my current set-up.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    Hi guys.....might be a question also suited in the wheels forum, but I doubt i'll find a lot of lefty owners there....
    I started saving some money for my "X-mas gift" and wanted to get some opinions first....
    I'm torn between the new Mavic Crossmax SLR and I9 All mountain wheels.....
    From what I read it seems the problems from the previous SLR's have been eliminated and it seems like a very nice wheelset.
    Btw. I need some advice from folks that own one of the above mentioned wheels, so please don't turn this into a CK, Hadley or whatever rules and all other wheels suck discussion.
    Thanks.
    Do U have a link to what the problem with SLRs are?

    I have noticed some cassette ring movement

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    Quote Originally Posted by XCProphet View Post
    Do U have a link to what the problem with SLRs are?

    I have noticed some cassette ring movement
    search "hubdoctor"


    The plastic bushing in the "old" SLR hub body wears quickly allowing cassette wobble. The Hubdoctor part replaces the plastic bushings w/ bb's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpjumpy View Post
    search "hubdoctor"


    The plastic bushing in the "old" SLR hub body wears quickly allowing cassette wobble. The Hubdoctor part replaces the plastic bushings w/ bb's.
    And they also offer aftermarket ss pawls with better springs.....
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    I've got the '13 SLR's and I've got only great things to say about them. First for me about a mavic product. These ain't the SLR's of yesteryear with the crappy freehub. I didn't weigh them, doesn't matter with 2.25 NN's on there chewing through mother earth. Colour looks good on the scalpel 1, and the engagement is 48t. As said above I9's are great, I've had those but if I recall with arch rims they are something like 1900g? I'm only 175lbs so I can get away with light weight wheels.

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    If you go I9 go with a Stan's rim.

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    Purchased one today!
    Found it on "fleabay".
    I9 wheels, 32 spokes laced to Arch rims.
    Hubs are black and the spokes are gold which is perfect as I have a bunch of gold anodized parts on my rig already.....
    Best part: got it for $490.- shipped!!! Woohoo!!! Can't wait to install them!
    Will post a pic as soon as possible!
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    Damn, that's a good deal son.....
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    Well, I guess the previous owner never did the initial truing after 4 hours of breaking them in.....rear wheel had a bit of a wobble...side to side, up and down....re-trued both used some green "flow in" type loc-tite and after a few hours of hard riding it seems still to be ok.....crazy how much more responsive these wheels are!
    Front is still perfectly true, rear wheel still has some minimal up and down wobble.
    I ordered a park tool spoke tension meter just to be on the safe side....I might just go ahead and re-lace them into some different rims over the winter....maybe some stan's flow rims....The stan's arch rims seem kinda cheap....don't even have riveted eyelets..Took off the freewheel body and re-lubed the pawls too....one spring was kinda sideways, probably from the freewheel body not being pressed in correctly after a previous service.....was a quick fix though.
    Overall the craftsmanship is outstanding though! I bet I'll get a lot of worry free miles on these in the future!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    re-trued both used some green "flow in" type loc-tite. I might just go ahead and re-lace them into some different rims over the winter....maybe some stan's flow rims....The stan's arch rims seem kinda cheap....don't even have riveted eyelets.
    Clean that crap out if you value your sanity. All I'm gonna say. Those wheels don't work with Loctite, at all. Totally different thought process going on with them....

    As for the Arch's? Cheap due to no eyelets? Seen the Flows? No eyelets on them either.

    Alternate thought process? Eyelets mean bigger holes in your rim. Bigger holes means weaker.

    No eyelets means smaller holes, = stronger.

    Archs work well as a rear if you're sub 190, and on a FS rig. Bigger, or ride harder? Flow is good.

    Do note that you'll need 16 new drive side spokes to make it work. The current DS ones go to the non DS, and the new ones for the DS need to be longer for a Flow. Flow is a slightly larger ERD.

    Sweet looking wheels, and yeah, they sure do respond well!
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    Can't really clean it out as it is penetrating loc-tite...only way to clean it out is to remove the spokes completely and redo them with some spoke prep. Ain't gonna happen..
    At least they can't come lose now....
    Problem with I-9 alloy spokes is that you can't really re-use them, right?
    Can't find a spoke length calculator for 'em either....
    I might have to ship that wheel to you over the winter, along with my lefty for a rebuild then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    Can't really clean it out as it is penetrating loc-tite...only way to clean it out is to remove the spokes completely and redo them with some spoke prep. Ain't gonna happen..
    Trust me, take the time.

    You can reuse the spokes, yes.

    When they, should they break though, and need replacement? The only way to remove the threaded portion from the hub is via a tiny .05" Allen head in the end of said spoke. It will strip faster than you can say goose poop if you have any "restraining compound" on them, and you'll be so pissed you won't be able to think straight.

    They use Linseed oil, anything stronger will be a heartache waiting to happen. I just build them with Phil Wood oil. Good tension, and I've never had a problem in as long as they've been making them.

    One at a time. Remove, fully clean, reinstall and retrue.

    PITA, but you did it to yourself......

    You'll thank me in the long run.
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    Wow, that is a great deal!
    I'm looking at ebay almost every day trying to scavenge parts for my build and must have missed that

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    since may 2011 i have a custom i9 set

    Notube's Race 29er rims , 31 black spokes and 1 green opposite to valve, green hubs .

    not a superlight set, 1500 g, now you can found italian made carbon clincher rims laced to Tune or Extralite hubs at 1200 g ... but my set is light when is needed , on the rims ...

    very happy with it
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    Good job! Alchemist wheels

    Quote Originally Posted by eliflap View Post
    since may 2011 i have a custom i9 set

    Notube's Race 29er rims , 31 black spokes and 1 green opposite to valve, green hubs .

    not a superlight set, 1500 g, now you can found italian made carbon clincher rims laced to Tune or Extralite hubs at 1200 g ... but my set is light when is needed , on the rims ...

    very happy with it
    Hello,
    Have you tried these italian wheels? Or know someone who as?
    They look very nice.

    Thanks
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    some days ago i posted them on my blog ...

    ALCHEMIST | eliflap

    not yet tried , over 2000 euro for a set with their hubs too

    some friends tested 26 version for many kms , very happy , gorgeous stiffnes of the rim

    a big step frm Notube's , they reported.

    as i know clincher sets on 29er is available , not the tubulars one.

    however , rims are from a italian industry , WR Compositi

    here a 29er clincher rim
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    Good job! Alchemist

    Yes, they aren´t cheap.
    I think these carbon manufacturers are a bit over headed with the prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Trust me, take the time.

    You can reuse the spokes, yes.

    When they, should they break though, and need replacement? The only way to remove the threaded portion from the hub is via a tiny .05" Allen head in the end of said spoke. It will strip faster than you can say goose poop if you have any "restraining compound" on them, and you'll be so pissed you won't be able to think straight.

    They use Linseed oil, anything stronger will be a heartache waiting to happen. I just build them with Phil Wood oil. Good tension, and I've never had a problem in as long as they've been making them.

    One at a time. Remove, fully clean, reinstall and retrue.

    PITA, but you did it to yourself......

    You'll thank me in the long run.
    So they don't come with any sort of locking compound from factory?
    Do you apply oil on the threads only or also on the rim eyelet?
    That's what I used to do on traditional wheels, but then I was told to use thread lock when finished, been doing it ever since......
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    Quote Originally Posted by VICpt View Post
    Yes, they aren´t cheap.
    I think these carbon manufacturers are a bit over headed with the prices.
    Yeah guys....carbon rims ain't gonna happen to me....way too expensive and I don't do plastic on handlebars, seatpost and cranks either....
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    Quote Originally Posted by VICpt View Post
    Yes, they aren´t cheap.
    I think these carbon manufacturers are a bit over headed with the prices.
    sure ? Ax Lightness , Enve , all the manifacturers of carbon rims are on this point of prices ...
    and no one is so light as WR

    for sure the price is very high so i cannot be able to buy a set , but this is another problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    So they don't come with any sort of locking compound from factory?
    Do you apply oil on the threads only or also on the rim eyelet?
    That's what I used to do on traditional wheels, but then I was told to use thread lock when finished, been doing it ever since......
    Your methodology is absolutely correct for nipple/spoke type builds.

    With I9's I lube both the rim interface as well as the threads of the spoke prior to threading into the hub. They use Linseed oil at the factory. I have had great luck with just a nice thick oil and decent tension. They don't seem to rattle loose like regular nipple/spoke builds will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Your methodology is absolutely correct for nipple/spoke type builds.

    With I9's I lube both the rim interface as well as the threads of the spoke prior to threading into the hub. They use Linseed oil at the factory. I have had great luck with just a nice thick oil and decent tension. They don't seem to rattle loose like regular nipple/spoke builds will.
    I guess that will be my winter project then...re-lacing the rear wheel....
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by eliflap View Post
    sure ? Ax Lightness , Enve , all the manifacturers of carbon rims are on this point of prices ...
    and no one is so light as WR

    for sure the price is very high so i cannot be able to buy a set , but this is another problem
    Yes, they all go by the same prices. But i think they are exaggerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    I guess that will be my winter project then...re-lacing the rear wheel....
    Sorry, but you'll thank me when you pop a spoke at some point down the road....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Sorry, but you'll thank me when you pop a spoke at some point down the road....
    So, I started to undo the spokes and waddaya know....3 snapped!
    I was able to undo 2 by grabbing them with pliers and carefully unscrewing them, but 1 of 'em decided to snap off flush on the flange, I couldn't undo it whatsoever and the hex key hole stripped as well.....resulting in me snapping like them stupid spokes beforehand
    After throwing the darn wheel around, banging it onto the concrete and cussing at it I can tell you that the arch rim is one heck of a strong rim
    ....now I need 10 new spokes, 1 new brake rotor, 1 new freehub body and another axle....now yall' know why I don't work in a shop anymore, "fixing" other peoples stuff....muhuhahahahaah.....I'm not too worried about the freehub body as it had a crack in it from before me throwing it around and luckily I found the e-mail correspondences from last year where Jake at I-9 said I can get a complete freehub body (incl. all pawls, springs, bearings etc) for $95.- crash replacement....
    Total cost now is $231.- incl shipping + a new rim and a lot of time for a re-lace.
    I still have to source a new ARCH rim (not the EX) anybody has one lying around by any chance???

    Lesson learned....DO NOT USE LOCTITE ON THEM SPOKES!!!!
    Took me like 3hrs. to carefully drill that stubborn spoke out, luckily I didn't damage the threads on the hub!

    One more time: DO NOT USE LOCTITE ON THEM SPOKES!

    My front wheel is straight as an arrow though and hopefully won't need any "truing" in the near future....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    One more time: DO NOT USE LOCTITE ON THEM SPOKES!
    Nothing like a good, solid cautionary tale, told well....
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    Ha, ha....I just read your post where you said if i strip that allen key hole I would get so mad that I wouldn't be able to think straight.....I guess you were right on that one as well.....any way you can provide me with some random numbers I can use in this weeks lottery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    any way you can provide me with some random numbers I can use in this weeks lottery?
    Why ruin a winning streak? I'm useless with that stuff.....
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    Rebuilt finished....all spokes are the correct size and have the correct tension now (previous owner replaced broken spokes with different sizes I guess).

    Since everything but the hub shell was replaced with new parts it's unbelievable how friggin; smooth that wheel spins and the precision of the pawls engaging is simply put awesome.

    Come to find out that the previous owner not only used the wrong type of lubricant on the pawls, but also bend all of the pawl springs!!

    If I should ever need a new wheelset I'll definitely go with another I-9, but probably won't buy another used one that has been "recently serviced" by the owner... ;-)
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