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    Lefty vs traditional

    Are there any real fuunctional advantages of a lefty in comparison with the traditional shock except lefty's appealing look? I like its look because it is defferent but can that justify the only reason to pass to that kind of suspension? Besides, reading that forum convinces me about numerous issues with lefties.

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    Yep, do a search on this forum to find more info. Stiffer, lighter, no stiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba74 View Post
    Yep, do a search on this forum to find more info. Stiffer, lighter, no stiction.
    Poor compression settings, bearing migration, constant maintenance, most LBS cant/ wont do any work on them. Have to mail them away to get rebuilt. Pain in the butt to use on a normal rack where the front wheel has to come off, same with putting in car, was easier to take rear wheel off. Whats not to love? I loved mine so much that I had to share it with someone else for a small relocation fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Poor compression settings, bearing migration, constant maintenance, most LBS cant/ wont do any work on them. Have to mail them away to get rebuilt. Pain in the butt to use on a normal rack where the front wheel has to come off, same with putting in car, was easier to take rear wheel off. Whats not to love? I loved mine so much that I had to share it with someone else for a small relocation fee.
    Many newer forks have a 15mm or 20mm thru axle so "normal" racks are usually big mouths. Constant maintenance is not true at all for my lefty max 140. TPC has good compression adjustments. Rebuilding is not hard, and I've only had to do it twice in 5 years. Maintenance is about 30 minutes worth every couple of weeks....cmon

    He asked about advantages on a Cannondale forum. I gave him advantages that are true for every lefty available. You listed problems specific to your lefty, and you didn't even say WHICH lefty you had

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    Gotta love a high quality hater.....
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    Opps did I say the lefty had problem in a cannondale forum? Time to get all upset and offended?. Its ok, I TRIED to like mine to. I agree that most new forks have 20mm or 15mm axles but I DONT need to take my front brake off to use a fork up. I had a 2009 PBR just FYI since for some reason that matters to you, If you search the forum you notice that the compression settings such as fork dive and no low speed compression or adding to much air to compensate caused a loss in travel.
    30 mins every week (i ride 5 to 6 days a week) is a bit over the top for "normal" maintenance. They dont ask you to pull the hub apart every other week, or bottom bracket, or headset or bleed brakes or service the bearings or pull the rear shock apart and beat on it to get it back to the length that it came from the factory at, or take your tires off just to look at the inside to make sure that they are still black. So with that said the lefty would require MORE attention that ANYTHING else on the bike.
    I understand your a lefty fan boy and reading antilefty things in this forum gets you all worked up, but he did ask for advantages and so I gave him a few. Some people just like things having to be harder then they need to be. So maybe he liked working on his bike all the time the lefty would be a great match for him on a gt i-drive bike, then he can do bearing on both the fork and the back every few rides.Hopefully I have cleared up what i posted but for some reason I have a feeling you are going to reply to defend the honor of the lefty add some more eye rolling smilies, imply that i never had a lefty, tell me that i should enjoy taking time to fix my fork all the time and then throw a.....cmon like i dont have anything better to do then sit in my garage and work on my bike. All of these i will ignore, have a great day, enjoy your lefty I will be out riding while your greasing bearing and beating on your fork.

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    Really?? From a shop?? Good PR there.

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Gota love a high quality hater.....
    You sir are correct, How many do you have waiting to be fixed? or have fixed? If i was the leading lefty fixer in the nation then i also would want more people to buy "quality". I dont blame you. Its all good we all need to keep the lights on.

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    Well.. I've been riding Lefty's since they came out and have NEVER had a problem with ANY of them. I've had several of the original DLR's, DLR2 alloy, DLR2 Carbon, MAX 140 alloy, MAX 140 TPC, MAX 140 SPV, MAX 140 SPV Carbon, MAX 140 PBR alloy, DLR2 Alloy PBR, and I just bought an Ultra 120 PBR alloy that should be here Tueday. I've done nothing more than ocassional bearing resets and race cleaning/greasing. For me, I love Leftys.. for the redneck.. I think he made the right choice in not riding them. Lisaped- give one a try- if you don't like it sell it and enjoy the fact that you made up your own mind based upon personal experiences and not the opinions of someone who obviously has had nothing but negative experiences with them.
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    I love my Lefty for general "All-Mountain" riding. Resetting the bearings takes all of 3 minutes, and that's the only "regular" maintenance I perform. My Max140 has held up extremely well to hard Tahoe riding.

    That being said, it is certainly not a FR or DH shock. It has its place, just like everything else available. If you're into taking big hits, I would definitely NOT recommend a Lefty. If you're on the XC side of All-Mountain, I certainly think it's a worthwhile consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Poor compression settings, bearing migration, constant maintenance, most LBS cant/ wont do any work on them. Have to mail them away to get rebuilt. Pain in the butt to use on a normal rack where the front wheel has to come off, same with putting in car, was easier to take rear wheel off. Whats not to love? I loved mine so much that I had to share it with someone else for a small relocation fee.
    Take it to your local suspension service shop? The guys at my local shop love the Lefty. Forget the bike shop. Bike shops don't know diddly squat about Lefties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    You sir are correct, How many do you have waiting to be fixed? or have fixed? If i was the leading lefty fixer in the nation then i also would want more people to buy "quality". I dont blame you. Its all good we all need to keep the lights on.
    Accusing the top Lefty guy in the country of encouraging people to buy Leftys to pad his bottom line.

    I can tell you first hand, Mendon does excellent work, and from what he charged me vs. the amount of work he's done for me, he's not getting rich off the deal.

    I'm not saying you are flat out wrong in your assessment, but the point I would make to you is that the Porsche needs more maintenance than the Toyota, and is harder to find a good dealer to work on them. And really, I've had as many issues with my Lefty as I've had with my Rebas. I have a Reba that I've completely replaced the seals on, but it still sags down over the course of a ride. I think a coil conversion is in its future.

    But... the maintenance isn't bad. The benefits greatly outweigh the headaches, IMO. The things just feel like buttah.

    IMO, Leftys are not for the rider with no mechanical skills, or ignores his bike until something breaks. I know a guy who brings his bike to the LBS to get air put in his shocks because he can't figure out how to do it himself. He's not the guy who should buy a Lefty.

    The regular maintenance is pretty easy to do, and you have to remember to do it, or bad things will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I loved mine so much that I had to share it with someone else for a small relocation fee.


    That's a good one !!!!!
    I think it's gonna go as my signature !!
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    I'm sad to say that I've been underwhelmed by mine. Yeah, it felt OK, nothing special and TBH I can take or leave the looks.

    Things I liked: It is stiff. Is it any stiffer than a 15mm or 20mm thru axle fork of comparable weight? I dunno. Does the extra stiffness make a huge difference with a softly inflated 2.25 tyre wallowing around underneath? I'm not sure.

    Can change front tyre without pulling wheel off.

    I actually like fork boots as they keep crap away from the seals.

    People stare and ask questions.

    What I don't like: No external compression adjustment (Lefty DLR Speed 110)

    Proprietary hub means no swapping wheelsets around unless the front hub matches.

    Left stem - much harder and more expensive to change stems.

    Not a very smooth fork compared to most others I've used.

    Mine crapped itself after 14 months. Yep, two months outside warranty. Lockout stopped working, rebound stopped working.

    Getting it fixed - I'm in Australia and mine was away for five weeks and came back with less small bump sensitivity and a slight "knock" at the top when locked out. So it seems it got sent away to an "expert technician" who wasn't an "expert."


    Would I have another one? Not on your life. I'd compare Lefty ownership to having a very attractive girlfriend - looks great, people stare and some envy but you are the sucker that has to put up with it's crap behind the scenes. And she doesn't perform any better than a "girl next door" anyway.
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    this is the best fork ever (stiffer and lighter), but at the same time this is the most problematic fork ever. Be prepared to spend more time for maintenance.

    Also, for me a disadvantage is that once you are with Lefty you become a "hostage" of cannondale, I mean you have lefty specific wheels, that you can use only on it... and switching to another brand is very hard/expensive.

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    Would all the haters feel better if I said that everytime someone rides a bike with a Lefty God kills a kitten?

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    I have Lefty CARBON MAX PBR 130 mm. it feels pretty stiff and very smooth, eats up every small bump. Also the bearings have more life in it than bushings. You dont have to worry about cashima coating or what have you and clean it after every ride.
    What I dont like is its diving a little bit over a hard breaking or on steepy slopes. maybe it's no longer a problem for 2010 lefties and hereafter.
    I also had two of the bearings migrated and none of the standard proceedure did help. The lenght dropped from 720mm recommended to 675mm. So I decided to pull it apart for myself (as Sideknob I dont have any secvice around). All I can say if you have some mechanical skills and some tools you can do it yourself. It's not that ease as with traditional forks, but you can make it at home and save some bucks and time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaccop View Post
    Would all the haters feel better if I said that everytime someone rides a bike with a Lefty God kills a kitten?
    Well the OP asked for opinions.

    Not just positive ones....
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    lisaped ,
    you can also check out this thread Lefty vs bushings' forks

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    Well, compared to other forks I've had the lefty is far superior and much, much stiffer....not to mention the weight reduction (if it's mounted to a cdale frame that is).
    Maintenance is not really a concern unless you ride a lot in the rain, cross creeks or ride really tight singletracks/switchback with thorn bushes which might tear up the boot.
    With the right tools an oil change takes less than 30min. and for an complete overhaul every 2 years or so you can simply send the cartridge or entire strut to places like Mendoncyclesmith which will not cost you that much either with a turn around time of maybe a week...
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    Thanx Fudja , convincing video in this thread
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    I have been riding my carbon lefty speed 110 for 2 years now, running it XC and XC races. I like it because it is light, and stiff. In terms of suspension performance I have been pretty happy with it. The small bump compliance is excellent IMO, and it takes larger bumps well. Another good point is it does dive on tight corners like some other forks I have tried.

    The key for me was to find the right air pressure, through trial and error. For me just setting the sag while seated does not cut it. I would set the air pressure a little higher than the suggested sag and then adjust it until I was happy with the small bump compliance on the trail.

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    My two cents on the thread: I loved my lefty max carbon 140 from a 2005 Cannondale Prophet (God Rest Its Soul) that I moved it to my 2009 Titus Motolite (XTR build) and scrapped the 15mm axle Fox Float R (140 mm travel also). No comparison. The lefty is lighter, stiffer, smoother, quieter and off course cooler. Where I point it, it simply goes and sticks the line. Especially off-camber. Awesome. And yes, a similar wheel set (819/Omega for lefty vs 719/XT for the Fox) was used so a fair comparison is being made here. I had my doubts it would be better. But its so clearly better that I wonder why such a discussion even comes up beteween such serious bike folks as you find on this forum as to which is better - for general purpose trail riding. If a 2005 lefty works this good (courtesy of only 2 Mendoncycle rebuilds over the last 6 years, thanks Craig you the man), I imagine the latest versions must really be impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    You sir are correct, How many do you have waiting to be fixed? or have fixed? If i was the leading lefty fixer in the nation then i also would want more people to buy "quality". I dont blame you. Its all good we all need to keep the lights on.
    Sheesh....

    I love a good debate, spirited input, the good, the bad, etc.

    What I don't enjoy is an opinion delivered in such a vituperative manner that it renders the point of it's existence, irrelevant.

    You'll note I take no issues with others postings here, and I'd only say to the folks who have a problem with the proprietary hub, if all your bikes had Leftys, you could swap wheels quite easily!

    You had a bad experience, bummer. Sounds like you're better off with a fork that doesn't require any upkeep at all. All good, buy a Fox, and enjoy that "legendary" sticky and less than promised/advertised travel. All for about the same coin as a Lefty.

    Also, fixed is a relative term. Serviced? Many, some are more than 10 years old and still going strong. Others are newer, and in for the oil change they need, just like any other brand. Sure, some are broken, but try to get your non sliding frozen up dual slider good as new for $60 in parts, ain't gonna happen.

    Had a Fox in last week, with gouged up stanchions, a Rock Shox that did the same thing. Had a Manitou puke oil all over itself, a Rock Shox lose it's lockout, had a Marzocchi lose the ability to hold air, my own White Brothers Fluid 150 needed seals last winter and a new bolt since the hollow alloy one snapped as it was being removed, the list goes on. As a buddy of mine says, everything goes away, get used to it.

    And if I'm trying to keep the lights on with Leftys? I guess PUSH Industries, Hippie Tech, Garage Works, Shockspital, QBP's Shock Treatment Center etc etc etc, as well as all the service centers at the makers themselves, must be sitting around, so sad and poor from lack of work.
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    Advantages as many above have noted, lighter, stiffer, works better,etc. what is not to like you may ask?

    In my view, it is the ignorance by those who either have not tried one or do not understand the technology.

    I have ridden with people who are so put off by the look that they were afraid to even test ride it, fearing it might break or pull wildly to one side etc.

    As Mendon noted and I will second, high performance assemblies require certain maintenence and service, this should not come as news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I understand your a lefty fan boy and reading antilefty things in this forum gets you all worked up, but he did ask for advantages and so I gave him a few. Some people just like things having to be harder then they need to be. So maybe he liked working on his bike all the time the lefty would be a great match for him on a gt i-drive bike, then he can do bearing on both the fork and the back every few rides.Hopefully I have cleared up what i posted but for some reason I have a feeling you are going to reply to defend the honor of the lefty add some more eye rolling smilies, imply that i never had a lefty, tell me that i should enjoy taking time to fix my fork all the time and then throw a.....cmon like i dont have anything better to do then sit in my garage and work on my bike. All of these i will ignore, have a great day, enjoy your lefty I will be out riding while your greasing bearing and beating on your fork.
    First off, I'm not a lefty fanboy. My next bike will most likely not have a lefty on it because I'm looking at other brands.

    Second, I was pointing out that you did nothing to answer the OP's question,

    Quote Originally Posted by lisaped View Post
    Are there any real fuunctional advantages of a lefty in comparison with the traditional shock except lefty's appealing look?
    All you did was sarcastically state your own negative experiences. All I did was counter all of your experiences with my own.

    Again, since you like them so much.........and I'll add a little for not reading the OP's post.

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    3 pairs of Foxes in our house. All well maintained. All 3 show heavy stanchion wear after 2-3 years of use, which, due to their construction, means pretty much means throwing them away and buying new forks. It does seem odd, when you think about it, to design a suspension device where the wearing surface is also a key structural element...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimification View Post
    3 pairs of Foxes in our house. All well maintained. All 3 show heavy stanchion wear after 2-3 years of use, which, due to their construction, means pretty much means throwing them away and buying new forks. It does seem odd, when you think about it, to design a suspension device where the wearing surface is also a key structural element...
    Back in the day, most forks with any form of oil or air internals had fork boots / gaiters on them. It became non-trendy to have those. Why I don't know - you'd reckon boots would keep a lot of abrasive crap away from the stanchions and seals in the first place. Most dirt bikes with non-inverted forks still have boots to protect the seals and stanchions.
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    I have a Lefty Max 140 TPC. It is stiff, light and has no stiction. I can change a front tire without removing the wheel. Bearing resets are easy. I love my Lefty. 140 mm of consistent travel.

    It looks really cool when you ride with no hands. (You can)
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    as for stiffness you can check out this one
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfDuAE8HdX4

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    That video is a tad flawed. Your g force in a turn is not as lateral as he shows. As you turn you lean and when you lean the g force is in line with your shock.

    Also do you really want as much response in a turn, with less tread contact, and now have the suspension moving? I personally like a more predictable behavior in a turn. Usually your speed is much slower also which also translates to less g. Rider technique will also know to have less speed in more technical turns also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post

    Also do you really want as much response in a turn, with less tread contact, and now have the suspension moving? I personally like a more predictable behavior in a turn. Usually your speed is much slower also which also translates to less g. Rider technique will also know to have less speed in more technical turns also.
    this is true - good riders know they need to slow down for turns because their conventional forks bind and flex.

    great point.
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    Until you show a "fact" with the actual real numbers of this I'll keep my engineering degree.

    I like the lefties and think they are great, just pointing out where I see errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    Until you show a "fact" with the actual real numbers of this I'll keep my engineering degree.

    I like the lefties and think they are great, just pointing out where I see errors.
    Why would I need to show ""fact" with actual real numbers"? You have already conceded that conventional forks BIND - you simply argue that this binding is somehow a performance benefit. Engineering degree or not, you obviously do not understand the purpose or benefit of suspension.

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    I never said anything about bind. Please quote me where I state the due to binding you will get less travel.

    I didn't. I said less speed, which means less g in the turn which means less travel in the shock.

    The point is the video shows abnormal unrealistic forces at work compared to what really happens in a ride.

    I do understand the benefit of suspension and have no clue how you come to that conclusion.

    And a repost of the same video link really doesn't mean anything. Still doesn't address the reality.

    Just admit you made an unfair inference/assumption in your first response to me. You know it was in jest and now are flip flopping.

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    I have an engineering degree too. I've seen plenty of videos on Lefty vs traditional forks and how they perform under cornering and breaking forces.

    Sorry Hiway, I don't know what type of Engineering degree you have as there are many different disciplines, but I have to disagree with you on your understanding of the Lefty performance. Having the suspension move freely in response to terrain under all conditions is preferable to having it bind up under stress and lock out its travel, forcing the movement up through the bike into the rider for him to absorb. May as well swap it out for a rigid fork for all the good it does!

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    Never said "bind up under stress" to result in locking out it's travel.

    Glad I also took some reading comprehension when I got my engineering degree (aeronautical with minor in basic).

    My overall point is the actual REAL forces in REAL applications are not as high as highlighted by the video.

    Others have stated basically the same points. Also not degrading or making a negative over the leftie type forks. I think they are great, but I just dislike videos that are a bit misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    That video is a tad flawed. Your g force in a turn is not as lateral as he shows. As you turn you lean and when you lean the g force is in line with your shock.

    Also do you really want as much response in a turn, with less tread contact, and now have the suspension moving? I personally like a more predictable behavior in a turn. Usually your speed is much slower also which also translates to less g. Rider technique will also know to have less speed in more technical turns also.
    So you think its better to not have the suspension moving while turning? wouldnt that give you LESS contact since its bouncing over the irregularities of the surface and not staying in contact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post

    Also do you really want as much response in a turn, with less tread contact, and now have the suspension moving? I personally like a more predictable behavior in a turn. Usually your speed is much slower also which also translates to less g. Rider technique will also know to have less speed in more technical turns also.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    I never said anything about bind. Please quote me where I state the due to binding you will get less travel.

    Just admit you made an unfair inference/assumption in your first response to me.
    See above. You CLEARLY are singing the praises of less "response" and less "suspension movement" during a turn, and argue that a rider will slow down to limit the g's seen by a flexy/binding fork. These are not the words of a person who understands what suspension is supposed to do.


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    I have an engineering degree too. I've seen plenty of videos on Lefty vs traditional forks and how they perform under cornering and breaking forces.

    Sorry Hiway, I don't know what type of Engineering degree you have as there are many different disciplines, but I have to disagree with you on your understanding of the Lefty performance. Having the suspension move freely in response to terrain under all conditions is preferable to having it bind up under stress and lock out its travel, forcing the movement up through the bike into the rider for him to absorb. May as well swap it out for a rigid fork for all the good it does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    So you think its better to not have the suspension moving while turning? wouldnt that give you LESS contact since its bouncing over the irregularities of the surface and not staying in contact?
    No I am saying due to less speed in a leaned turn means less induced travel due to less force.

    Basically I think it boils down to rider preference and style of riding (contact vs. controlled drift).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpjumpy View Post
    See above.

    See below.



    Spot on.
    You are just baiting and trolling now and know that nothing quoted affirms your inference. Nothing I said supports your viewpoint. I even clarified since you made an unfair assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    You are just baiting and trolling now and know that nothing quoted affirms your inference. Nothing I said supports your viewpoint. I even clarified since you made an unfair assumption.
    Seems like quite a few people are trolling you and unfairly misunderstanding you, then.
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    OK, i understand how Hiway thinks the video demo is flawed. It shows the Lefty fork working normally under way more stress than you would ever see riding a bike on a trail. Thing is, as a demo, it goes above and beyond proving that a Lefty fork can operate normally under extreme conditions, which proves that it also operates normally under any possible situation you might experience on a trail.

    The comparison with the traditional fork shows how little force is needed to cause stiction, preventing it from absorbing bumps when needed.

    For a suspension device to do its job, it needs to compress to absorb bumps & expand when the bump is removed. All without transferring that force through to the rider. Stiction along with spring (air or coil, doesn't matter) loading & rebound dampening all affect this process. Lefty forks deal with the stiction in a way that traditional forks cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    Basically I think it boils down to rider preference and style of riding (contact vs. controlled drift).
    You are now advocating a controlled front wheel drift induced by poor suspension compliance vs. front wheel grip maintained via excellent suspension compliance.

    You are espousing the "benefits" of a rigid bike vs. a well-suspended one . . . whether you know it or not.
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    The point is those forces are not impacting real world applications.

    Talk to the guy who won on a Scott 650b set up with conventional fork. Talk to the team who won on Specialized FS conventional forks.

    You really think they are losing speed in the turns due to binding?

    Until you can show me some actual proof that this is happening in real world races then I'll just pay attention to normal forces and not staged demos.

    I love the leftie design on Cannondale, but I don't like it when people use some unrealistic "test" to highlight a design feature.

    I suppose these riders are slower in the turns due to binding and just that superior to make up that time in the straight aways....

    Sounds ridiculous doesn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    The point is those forces are not impacting real world applications.

    Talk to the guy who won on a Scott 650b set up with conventional fork. Talk to the team who won on Specialized FS conventional forks.

    You really think they are losing speed in the turns due to binding?

    Until you can show me some actual proof that this is happening in real world races then I'll just pay attention to normal forces and not staged demos.

    I love the leftie design on Cannondale, but I don't like it when people use some unrealistic "test" to highlight a design feature.

    I suppose these riders are slower in the turns due to binding and just that superior to make up that time in the straight aways....

    Sounds ridiculous doesn't it.


    If a guy can beat you around a course on his son's tricycle, does that mean that he has better equipment than you?

    Sounds ridiculous does it not.

    Different technology excels in different contexts for different riders, whether it be 29" wheels, full suspension, SS, rigid or whatever.

    Pro racers race whatever they are PAID to race. For years, many have been winning races despite this. Pointing to isolated race results as proof of design is just plain stupid.

    Lefty's win a lot of races, perhaps even a disproportionate amount - is that proof of superior design/performance?
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    Still can't get my conventional fork to bind in a turn. Just did a basic test and noticed NO binding in real conditions.

    All those winners riding bikes that are flawed are so slow in turns due to this design imperfection! (sarcasm)

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    You realize that binding does not have to mean full lock-out of the fork, right? That's worst case sceanario and may only happen for a split second w/ a good dual stanchion fork. More often, the forks bind and while not locking-out completely, the effective spring rate becomes MUCH higher than spec,

    But, I know, according to you - this is exactly what one wants to happen mid-turn.
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    Also didn't notice much front suspension movement at typical speeds over any terrain in a TURN.

    Not even close to the amount of force needed to bind a conventional fork. Also watched some video online with particular attention on front suspensions during turns in any terrain.

    They really weren't going fast. Funny how that is.

    Kind of proves the point that the forces needed to cause bind in the first place are unrealistic in real world applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    Also didn't notice much front suspension movement at typical speeds over any terrain in a TURN.

    Not even close to the amount of force needed to bind a conventional fork. Also watched some video online with particular attention on front suspensions during turns in any terrain.

    They really weren't going fast. Funny how that is.

    Kind of proves the point that the forces needed to cause bind in the first place are unrealistic in real world applications.
    so what youre saying is you watched a bunch of videos of people riding slow in the corners.....

    then you went out and rode your own bike slow in the corners....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiway View Post
    That video is a tad flawed. Your g force in a turn is not as lateral as he shows. As you turn you lean and when you lean the g force is in line with your shock.

    Also do you really want as much response in a turn, with less tread contact, and now have the suspension moving? I personally like a more predictable behavior in a turn. Usually your speed is much slower also which also translates to less g. Rider technique will also know to have less speed in more technical turns also.
    The G force will be in line with the fork. Trail input may not be, and likely not be. This will be more predictable rather than less. All forks will have have the same contact patch while leaning, allowing the suspension to do its job rather the have the tire bounce will keep that contact. At least that's the way it seems to me, but what the hell do I really know? It's all conjecture without any real tests.
    All I know is, I've had a Fox and now have a Lefty. Overall as far as performance goes, I would say I prefer the lefty. It just feels smoother. My biggest complaint on performance would be that it can be "divey". Others have mentioned it during braking, but I've only noticed it on downhill tech sections. In particular, when I come across a feature with a larger initial angle (like a bigger rock than the rest) than the others on the trail.
    The Lefty does require more accommodations for travel. Wheel removal requires tools and you can't use a standard fork mount. You need to learn how to reset the bearings, which is quite easy and can be done in under two minutes with the PBR version. Of course, you have to take the time to learn how to do it. My Fox required a rebuild after two seasons, and now so did my lefty. I can say the lefty isn't necessarily more difficult to work on, but definitely requires more knowledge prior to the work. If you don't have that knowledge prior, then it's certainly more difficult.
    So will my next bike have a lefty? It really depends. If it's a Cannondale then it probably will. If it's something else then probably not. I wouldn't go through the effort to convert a bike to a lefty, but I wouldn't exclude a bike from purchase because it had one either.
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