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    lefty hubs

    hello all: I am planning to build a new set of wheels for my scalpel but wanted to know if there is anyone aside from cannondale who makes lefty hubs?

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    I know Mavic has a lefty compatible hub for their Crossmax SL wheel. And I think I read somewhere that Formula and Hugi / DT Swiss make OEM hubs for Cannondale. I only have stock Coda Expert hubs on my F800 and surprisingly they have lasted longer and trouble-free than my Deore hubs I had on my previous bike.

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    Cannondale make the Lefty hubs themselves. Woodman components have some good Lefty hubs but the Cannondales are lighter and not bad at all. Other than that, there are only pre-built wheels (Mavic Crossmax SL, Spinergy Xyclone and Xentis Kappa).

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    Quote Originally Posted by krayzie
    I know Mavic has a lefty compatible hub for their Crossmax SL wheel. And I think I read somewhere that Formula and Hugi / DT Swiss make OEM hubs for Cannondale. I only have stock Coda Expert hubs on my F800 and surprisingly they have lasted longer and trouble-free than my Deore hubs I had on my previous bike.
    DT don't seem to advertise this feature
    http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fuseaction=hubs.bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS2000X
    DT don't seem to advertise this feature
    http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fuseaction=hubs.bike
    DT used to make some hubs for Cannondale, but not the Lefty specific hubs (they just rebranded some of their own hubs as Cannondales) until last year when Formula made the rear hubs, again, not the Lefty models... Now there are only Cannondale Lefty hubs, they spec Shimano and DT hubs this year, no more rebranding.

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    any links to lefty hubs?

    cannondales hubs are expensive. and to find new hubs with 6 bolt on ebay are very rare.

    i would like to build a set for my F900...

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    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    any links to lefty hubs?

    cannondales hubs are expensive. and to find new hubs with 6 bolt on ebay are very rare.

    i would like to build a set for my F900...

    Just did a quick search, there are 3 Lefty 6 bolt hubs on eBay right now, 1 for bidding, 2 for Buy it Now. They are $58 for 24h and $66 for 32h, but they are both silver.

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    yeah, i just saw thoose. expensive! and i want black....

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    Well, you may be out of luck. Thats the cheapest I have found hubs. The Cannondale ones are $100 new and Woodman, if you can find them, are a little more than that. And it only goes up from there with Industry Nine and Mavic and the like. I dont know if you are going to be able to find them cheaper than on eBay.

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    yeah, i already figured that. i have an old 4 bolt lefty hub i will probably use. and use a 6 bolt hub for the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colodude
    Just did a quick search, there are 3 Lefty 6 bolt hubs on eBay right now, 1 for bidding, 2 for Buy it Now. They are $58 for 24h and $66 for 32h, but they are both silver.
    The 24 hole,6 bolt silver/pollished are the 30th aniversey hubs that came with rhe Jekyll goodboy....

    There were only 300 of thes bikes built....so i dont know why there is a stock of left over hubs......must have been an over run for spares/replacements....

    Anyway.....the hubs a GREAT and are the beter competition version....

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    Under $70 for a Lefty hub ?
    Dude , that's not expensive

    You may have better luck finding a low priced rim with a
    6 bolt in it & then sell the rim and spokes to recoup the
    initial cost of the wheel .

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    well, i just bought a 4 bolt on ebay thats a Si for 31 bucks with SH. thats a little pricy for me. but i want to build a new set of rims. dang 4 bolt.... o well, it works.

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    confusing web site... did this company fabricate you a hub? or did they sell you a companies hub?
    Last edited by broomhandle; 07-30-2006 at 12:49 PM.

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    I bought a used wheelset on ebay for my lefty, hope rear hub, woodman front, velocity rims, for $120 shipped, one rim did have a flat spot but its ridable, and my mechanic thought the rear hub had low miles on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    well, i just bought a 4 bolt on ebay thats a Si for 31 bucks with SH. thats a little pricy for me. but i want to build a new set of rims. dang 4 bolt.... o well, it works.
    The simple reason for this is that there is no market for 4 bolt Lefty hubs .
    No one will pay much for them now because the demand is for 6 bolt ones .

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    yes, i know.... and 6 bolt lefty hubs are rare and expensive.

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    and why is there a 32 hole and 24 hole lefty? i know that goes with any hub. but i thought for discs there is only a few patterns you can use. which is the more popular? 32?

    this is my first lefty wheel build. and i know its dished to one side.

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    The 24 hole Lefty Hubs appear on Scalpel, Rush and Hardtails. The 32 appears on the Prophets.

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    so what is the difference in the pattern? i have a jekyll and a F900 with lefty's. this will be my first disc wheel build, and 1st lefty build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    so what is the difference in the pattern? i have a jekyll and a F900 with lefty's. this will be my first disc wheel build, and 1st lefty build.
    The difference is simple: buying a 24-hole hub you are going to have a big PITA when searching for a 24-hole disk rim.

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    yes, i get that. im talking about lacing patterns.

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    I had Dave at Dave's Dream Wheels build me up a set of wheels, Stans 355 rims, Woodman Hub, Hope Pro II rear hub, 32 hole pattern on all. I have had them for about 3 months and they have been great. Very light and stiff. I am running Nevegal DTC Blue Grooves with Stans Sealant and Rim TAPE. No problems setting the wheels on the rim. Dave discussed riding style weight etc had them in about a week and a half. He is great to work with and although not a cheap up grade they are well worth it. You can check out his reviews on this website under "wheels". I upgraded my wheels from the std on the Rush 1000 to the set from Dave. I do have to let you know about the Hope Pro II hub, works great, but it is a little on the loud side.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    yes, i get that. im talking about lacing patterns.

    Lacing patterns are the same, regardless of the number of spokes. That said, as you go up in number, beyond 32, you have the ability to do a 4x pattern too. But, 3x is fine for 98% of the folks out there, and is what you want for a conventional spoked, disc wheel. Good luck with your build, don't get too bent on it's being a lefty, or a disc, or what have you, a wheel build is a wheel build, just lace it right, dished, and tight, you'll be fine.
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    well, i wanted to do a radial lace patter for a disc, but i was told you can do that with a disc set hub.

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    No, you do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    well, i wanted to do a radial lace patter for a disc, but i was told you can do that with a disc set hub.

    You can radial lace teh non disc side up front, but why? ( on a std wheel, not a Lefty) You do not want a radial job on the brake side because of the braking forces involved, adn you can not do one on the drive side.

    I say forget it.



    You can, but what is it worth to you in terms of safety adn $ in repairs?


    Some hub mfg's say no as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    yes, i get that. im talking about lacing patterns.
    3x is the most usual for a 32-hole. 24-hole are fine with 2x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broomhandle
    well, i wanted to do a radial lace patter for a disc, but i was told you can do that with a disc set hub.

    I would not trust that advice, next they'll be telling you it's okay to put helium in your tubes and jump off cliffs, cause you'll just float down. Yikes! And Damion's got it too, many manufacturers will void warranty if it's radially laced, and will fall down laughing if a disc wheel that was done radial, is up for warranty. Go 3x, heck, 2x if you just need to push it, but avoid those original thoughts like the plague. Cheers!
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    Mendon is right, as usual.

    You need to get rid of these "radial lacing and disc brakes" thoughts. For safety.
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    sorry, that was supposed to be "can't"

    yes, no radial and disc.

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    4 bolt brake rotors

    Hi guys
    can anyone help me out, i have a jekyll with lefty and it has 4 bolt rotor mounts the problem is that my original hayes rotors have worn out and I cannot get any 4 bolt rotors here in Australia any one know of a source for these as the alternative is new hubs or a wheelset and this seems a bit drastic just so that I can replace the rotors.
    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jekyll_2000
    Hi guys
    can anyone help me out, i have a jekyll with lefty and it has 4 bolt rotor mounts the problem is that my original hayes rotors have worn out and I cannot get any 4 bolt rotors here in Australia any one know of a source for these as the alternative is new hubs or a wheelset and this seems a bit drastic just so that I can replace the rotors.
    cheers

    Good question, simple answer. Though not the cheapest option, Hope makes custom rotors, in any pattern or drilling you might want, for all of you out there with 7 bolt rotors = They should run about $80, but don't quote me. Still though, much cheaper than a new wheel set. Cheers!
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    Hubs:

    Project 321

    Woodman

    Complete Wheels

    Mavic
    I9
    Stan's ZTRs
    2010 XTR (but need Saint centrelock rotor)

    Can anyone add to these lists? Is there a supply problem with Cannondale's own Lefty hubs? Does 2011 XTR have a Lefty option?

    Andy

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    a couple more

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    Wow, a thread resurrection from 2006...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amillmtb
    Wow, a thread resurrection from 2006...
    Well, it's in the FAQ & needs an update :-P

    So, the definitive list thus far is:

    Hubs

    Project 321
    Woodman Bill LFY XL

    Extralite HyperLefty
    Tune Cannonball (NB can't find manufacturer's website)
    FRM FL-M
    Soul Kozak

    Wheels:

    Mavic - Crosstrail, Crossmax ST/SLR
    Industry Nine
    Stan's ZTR Podium MMX
    Shimano WH-M975-L
    CB Cobalt Lefty

    Any more?

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    Hub: There is something called a Khosis on eBay.

    Wheels: custom from Stan's, any wheelset can have a lefty hub added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amillmtb
    Hub: There is something called a Khosis on eBay.
    Do you mean this? Website partly in what appears to be Korean so not that easy to navigate.



    Wheels: custom from Stan's, any wheelset can have a lefty hub added.
    While that's probably* true, it's also a ball-ache to buy factory wheels & get the hub swapped. I think it's more relevant & useful on this thread to have a list of manufacturers offering prebuilt wheels with a Lefty option.

    Andy

    *would it work with eg. DT Tricons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago
    Well, it's in the FAQ & needs an update :-P

    So, the definitive list thus far is:

    Hubs

    Project 321
    Woodman Bill LFY XL

    Extralite HyperLefty
    Tune Cannonball (NB can't find manufacturer's website)
    FRM FL-M
    Soul Kozak

    Wheels:

    Mavic - Crosstrail, Crossmax ST/SLR
    Industry Nine
    Stan's ZTR Podium MMX
    Shimano WH-M975-L
    CB Cobalt Lefty

    Any more?

    Andy
    Add Project321 to the "wheels" list. We're now offering complete Lefty wheel sets with our matching rear hub laced to Stans or Edge composite rims. Prices starting at 795.00. They should be on the updated web site in the next week or so. The rear hub uses the Industry Nine cassette mechanism so it's a proven design. Here is a pic of the hub set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago
    ....
    Tune Cannonball (NB can't find manufacturer's website)
    http://tune.de/index.php?option=com_...id=213&lang=en
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    Why does project 321 keep trying to make me poor???
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    Gemini6,
    I know and we are sorry!
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    Damn you Jake! I was going for a cheap rear wheel to match my front, and then you release this work of art rear hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinbiter
    Add Project321 to the "wheels" list. We're now offering complete Lefty wheel sets with our matching rear hub laced to Stans or Edge composite rims. Prices starting at 795.00. They should be on the updated web site in the next week or so. The rear hub uses the Industry Nine cassette mechanism so it's a proven design. Here is a pic of the hub set.
    Jake, do you know what the weight will be like if the hub? What spokes will you build with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp
    Damn you Jake! I was going for a cheap rear wheel to match my front, and then you release this work of art rear hub.
    Thank you! And sorry.

    Maybe this will help. If anybody that has purchased our lefty hub in the last 6 months and wants our matching rear hub. We'll give you the "hub set price" when you buy the rear. It would be a 50.00 discount on the set so basically 50.00 off the rear hub. Hope that makes
    the hit a little bit easier.
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    DT will have it's own Lefty hubs available as standalones for 2011: link.

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    Good news even if it looks like to a Cannondale hub.

    And what's the "new Cannondale Lefty hub sl" ? which is the front hub of the DT Swiss XCR 1.5 ? (2011 Scalpel HiMod 2)

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    I would vouch for the ID9 Project Combo....

    I am so stoked with the set Jake got me rolling on...
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    DT 240 Lefty:



    I bet they'll be frantically expensive...

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    Another +1 for the Project 321 front hub, considering a rear now too given the fantastic experience and the customer service from them. Bang up job on the wheel build and the Lefty adapter was the way to go for my conversion.

    Great company and super helpful folks!!

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    As soon as I sell my rigid bike, I'll buy a pair of Crossmax ST for my Rush. I have use a pair of Crossride for years, and 0 problems.

    Project 321 is quite interesting too, but I'm not sure of finding somone who can assemble the wheels correctly near where I live. Less problem with complete set.

    Be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dormilon
    As soon as I sell my rigid bike, I'll buy a pair of Crossmax ST for my Rush. I have use a pair of Crossride for years, and 0 problems.

    Project 321 is quite interesting too, but I'm not sure of finding somone who can assemble the wheels correctly near where I live. Less problem with complete set.

    Be happy.
    I had a similar reservation but after talking to them, found out that Project 321 will lace up wheels as well, I'm super happy with the set they built for me. They'll lace up to your spec or help you sort out a good build.
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    I'll have a look .

    Thanks a lot!

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    DT now making a lefty wheelset. Tricons so won't be cheap - IIRC 15mm through axle wheelset is about £800, and they have to go back to DT for re-rimming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago
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    Can anyone add to these lists? Is there a supply problem with Cannondale's own Lefty hubs? Does 2011 XTR have a Lefty option?

    Andy
    Another vote for a Lefty center lock hub. Would rather not have to toss the sweet XTR Ice composite rotors of the XTR Race group. Particularly as the rear will be a DT 240s center lock. The bike would then have a 6 bolt rear and center lock front. ugh.

    Contacted that Spanish specialty bicycle fab shop http://www.tarreglolabici.com/. Will see if they can make me one. Anybody else want in?

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    How would you fit the center lock mechanism around the 25mm axle?

    Anyway, the Ice rotors will NEVER find its way on any bike I will ride. After reading the review in german Bike, where both the pads and rotors were reported melting both in the lab and in practice, I find these too scary. There are several lightweight rotors that are as light and work better. Unless you live in Denmark or Holland or other flat places...

    When the fixing mechanism is as heavy as the Center lock rotors are, they took some drastic measures to cut weight in my opinion. In theory, it is a good idea, but the practical use uncovered some flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp
    How would you fit the center lock mechanism around the 25mm axle?
    Hadn't thought of that. Takes care of that problem!

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    How would you fit the center lock mechanism around the 25mm axle?
    IIRC the XTR Lefty front wheel mentioned earlier in the thread uses (used?) a 160mm Saint rotor, as these have an oversize centrelock mechanism (designed for a 20mm through axle); you wouldn't be able to use the XTR Ice rotors anyway. I don't know whether Shimano are offering a Lefty wheel in the current XTR range. TBH, it all sounds like a complete PITA - no-one but Shimano make oversize centrelock rotors; very few brake manufacturers (IIRC Shimano, Avid & Formula) make normal centrlock rotors, and IS works (albeit without looking pretty).

    It transpires the DT stuff isn't being imported into the UK. God bless German bike shops, who will post stuff here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago
    IIRC the XTR Lefty front wheel mentioned earlier in the thread uses (used?) a 160mm Saint rotor, as these have an oversize centrelock mechanism (designed for a 20mm through axle); you wouldn't be able to use the XTR Ice rotors anyway.
    Andy
    Completely correct.

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    Update: CB seem to have binned the Lefty option on their new wheels, unless anyone has info to the contrary?

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    And another



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    What's the make and model on this hub?

    Kinetics Project - Wheel Builder Android - (650b/700c/29/26)

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    How about a Chris King Lefty hub with what looks like a bearing preload adjusting collar?

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    You'll have to wait though, it's a prototype tested by Ryan Trebon, no idea when, or if, it will be released.

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    Alchemist disc brake separation system for lefty hub (B.S.S.)

    Hi All,

    Has anyone seen a review or have/used the Alchemist Lefty Hub with the disc brake separation system??
    I would like to know if anyone has had any problems with them?? My concern would be the possibility of wear between the 2 parts.. It's a pretty pricey bit of gear but I like the idea of it so would consider one if they are any good.
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    I think it's an unnecessary gimmick. The wheel comes off so rarely (you can change the tire with the wheel on the bike) that it's really not a big deal to swing the caliper and adapter out of the way for that.

    Then again for someone who transports the bike a lot by car and must remove the front wheel for that, the hub could be handy. The interface design looks simple and robust to me. As long as it's manufactured well, it should work as intended.

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