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    It's Official, no more Max 140 Leftys......

    Yep, no more will be offered, I think there's been some murmuring, and assumptions based on '08 info, but I just spoke with them, they will not offer the Max, anymore. Baffles me, as it worked much better than it's 110 DLR2 cousin, which was, and still is, plauged with issues. I guess it's a function of not being able to make enough, to keep up with demand, and since they offer more bikes with a 110 compatibility, that one stays, the Max, kiss it goodbye. I recommend hording behaviour starting today, or, sell me yours, as I LOVE this fork. Bad decision Cannondale, hmmm, one of many as of late. Sigh.......
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    awwww...that sucks

    I might have to stock up on some parts Craig

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    Yeah, we saw it coming... it's sad. It was the best fork in it's travel range: light, stiff, trouble free, easy to work on... Does that mean my Prophet is worth more or less now?

    By the way Mendon, a friend of mine has been given the old 'we don't touch Lefties, we send them back to Cannondale for service' crap from a local shop (same shop has been servicing a Headshok of mine a while ago, I guess they are just getting lazy)... I suspect he needs a Quad Seal as his boot is filled with and thus leaks oil from the bottom, no more front brake, yuck... I think I'll have him order a Quad Seal kit and do the job for him. Do I need special tools to do that? Castle tool maybe? Okay now I'm the lazy one, there is a thread that expalains it all somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Do I need special tools to do that? Castle tool maybe?

    Max, no special tools required. Silly DLR2's? Castyle tool needed. Ah, now I get it, the want to encourage Castle tool sales.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Max, no special tools required. Silly DLR2's? Castyle tool needed. Ah, now I get it, the want to encourage Castle tool sales.......
    LOL! They could have just made the castle tool needed to work on the Max!

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    no more Max 140? thats insane! I'm glad I have both of mine.
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    It's making me re-consider selling my Prophet at the end of the season...

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    suck... thats all i can say. lefty is the main reason i ride cannondale. and now now leftys in europe and no max? ... whats next bikes made in Asia?

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    Let's all take a deep breathe.....

    HAAAAAA!

    Okay... now go read my R.I.P. post on the Max and pay attention to the comments posted...

    The Max may just be in a maternity vacation for a few months...

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    please tell me this is a sick joke!

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    Nope, no joke, and whilst I'd prefer to be as hopeful as Dan, it's just a pipe dream. They've killed it. To paraphrase my inside rep, whom I trust implicitly, always gives me the straight deal, " we've just found that other products Fox et al, offer are similarly competetive on performance, cost less, and allow us to offer consistent delivery times. Trying to make the Lefty using various outside vendors has become an increasing problem, QC issues, late delivery of parts, etc". All this was delivered with a feeling of reading from a script. Sounds as though they are being asked to toe the company line, as opposed to being sounding boards for alot of angry customers, and deliver the message to highers up, that the cheapskate method is unpopular with loyal fans. Guess I'll have to buy a Trek now.........
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    This is sad, it's part of what makes Cannondale who they are, next it'll be the 110mm Lefty. Cannondale is loosing it's identity no doubt, and they're loosing me as a customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Trying to make the Lefty using various outside vendors has become an increasing problem, QC issues, late delivery of parts, etc".
    I wonder if the Fatty will go the same way? Will Cannondale drop all their custom forks?

    I will agree with the company line - the QC sucks in a massive way! Two Fatty forks shipped half way round the world, one fails in 1 month, and the replacement doesn't even make it out the bike shop door... that is hopeless.

    I dunno what QC issues the Max had though, I though it was a more reliable one?

    have to also wonder why C/dale don't make these fork components in house, I don't understand how hard that would be, just have to machine the components and fit together surely? Not as if they are cheap after all...

    Quote Originally Posted by jiar577
    This is sad, it's part of what makes Cannondale who they are, next it'll be the 110mm Lefty. Cannondale is loosing it's identity no doubt, and they're loosing me as a customer.
    Well, they may have lost me in about a weeks time, as I am on the verge of handing back my 2 1/2 month old Caffeine with it's non-working Fatty. Fuggin shame as I love it and don't want to swap it out, but what hope is there? 1 1/2 months without a working fork, the summer is almost over and this has seriously messed up my rides. Shame.

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    Omigod.

    This is horrific.

    The Cannondale that I have known is changing, and I don't like it.

    Damn you King James!

    This is all sounding like pressure from the higher ups. Not letting Cannondale do it as it always has... Getting rid of the "lets be innovative and different" ... In favour of the "Hey it's cheaper to get someone else to make it" WTF!

    First a Taiwan made Cannondale, now getting rid of the lefty because it's too expensive???
    DAMN YOU!!

    (Can you tell I'm unhappy? )


    I predict that all cannondales will have boring names like "big hill", "tree jumper", all will be made in Taiwan by Merida and will cost twice as much as they do today.

    *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7hz
    I dunno what QC issues the Max had though, I though it was a more reliable one?
    I couldn't agree more. Not that I'm some kind of expert on Lefty Max's, but I always thought the Max was the more reliable fork. I always hear about the Speed/DRLs with the problems.

    I mean, I can possibly understand their logic. Drop it from the All mountain range because it's cheaper to just use a Fox( 140mm + travel and all), keep it for the purists who want lightweight, stiff forks on their XC machines... But this is just bullsh*t

    If it's being dropped to be replaced by something better (A lefty 170mm maybe? ) , well fair enough. I'll be happy...

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    wow. this is absolutely idiotic on cannondales behalf.

    first, anyone who rides the 140 max knows there is no comparison so the argument that there are comparables is purely based on the numbers (and i mean these $$$$$ numbers). probably a decision made by some roadie MBA.

    second, in a time where the 140 max is finding increasing usage and appeal as a 29er fork in an emerging 29er market the 140 max is going to be discontinued ???? ?????? I dont have a MBA from Wharton but this seems silly to me .......

    soon cannondale will have none of the qualities that keep myself and many other customers coming back - MADE in the USA (not that bikes made in other countries are somehow inferior) and INNOVATION. HELLO EXECUTIVES innovative means different from what the rest offer - oh wait c-dales executives arent reading this - their probably driving their boxter to the golf course

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    I hope Cdale people take a look at this thread.

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    I'm thinking about buying an 08 caffeine F1..my first bike...now i'm gettin scared!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHKNPLUKR
    I'm thinking about buying an 08 caffeine F1..my first bike...now i'm gettin scared!!


    Nah, buy one, the 110 is a nice fork, and they should have figured out how to apply Loctite by now

    It's as Elgordo said though, the 140 is a great niche product, for a market they are pushing into, fine time to drop it. I sell Titus as well, and those guys are all over the boards, and understand the reach that they have. Cannondale has chosen to ignore it, and most of these words fall on deaf ears. The head engineer for the fork program was on for a while, but got chased off when he found out he "shouldn't" be contributing. Another engineer contacted me when I posted a rather scathing note about something, I responded to him, and never heard back from them. I'll say it again, the actual faces and voices of the company are wonderful, but the real story is, straight from a friend who used to rep for them (and left due to that, and got sued for his trouble), it's a good old boys network now, in the upper management. Buddies get hired, and or promoted, based on who they know (or their golf score maybe) , which is the WRONG way to run things. Man, does this tick me off. I wish Pegasus LLC would just sell it alreay, to someone who gives a flying f#*k
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    Don't take my word for more than what it is but here is my personal analysis of the 'why' of this move. I base my reflexion on past Cannondale moves, on how I'd run things if I was the big man at Cannondale and on a few things I do know but that I probably shouldn't...

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    First thing: the 2008 Prophet line, no more MX, no Lefty Max, it sucks, I know.

    Second: remember the list of 2008 models I posted a while ago? Remember the two new bike lines with boring names? The Trail 130 and Big Mountain 160? Are they in the 2008 catalog? Nope.

    My take is: Cannondale were going to replace the Prophet by the Trail 130 line, available in both alloy and carbon versions as an All Mountain trail bike. This bike would be getting a new Lefty Max or whatever the name is. The Big Mountain 160, also available in alloy and carbon, would be replacing the Prophet MX as a longer travel aggressive All-Mountain, trail, light freeride bike. Lefty on that one? I don't know, this one would need a new version as the current Lefty Max wouldn't have enough travel but it might just use a burly Rock Shox, Fox or whatever fork with a Thru axle and all the bells and whistles that are now trendy and a must to be competitive. For both bikes, the current Lefty Max, as good as it is, is now a bit behind on the market, not that it would be better with all the gadgets like Travel reducing things and fancy valving from planet Mars... Cannondale needs to follow the market or lead the market. The current Max is too basic from a marketing point of view, for me it's a good thing but it's hard to sell a fork that costs that much when it has much less gadgets that what the others are doing...

    Now, those two new bikes and Lefties were not ready yet to be introduced along the 2008 range so they just kept the Prophet but simplified the line without too much investments, just to fill the gap in the range in the meantime. I expect new bikes, with or without new Lefties, as mid-year models or as 2009 at the latest...

    Now, someone copy this post somewhere and bring it back in a year to see how far off I was or if I'll be able to brag 'I told you guys!'

    And don't worry, there are probably people at Cannondale reading this and I'm sure they knew that the reaction wouldn't be good in the true Cannondale aficionados. I know they check my blog and they still care about the public's reaction even though some tink they dont...

    That was thery number 1. Are you ready for the theory number two?

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    Much simpler. They saw that I was probably going to get a new Scalpel so they said: "If Dan doesn't use the Max anymore, it's not worth keeping it!" So because of me, the Max is dead... Sorry guys!


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    Mendon, me and you should run things in Bethel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Don't take my word for more than what it is but here is my personal analysis of the 'why' of this move. I base my reflexion on past Cannondale moves, on how I'd run things if I was the big man at Cannondale and on a few things I do know but that I probably shouldn't...

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    THEORY #1


    First thing: the 2008 Prophet line, no more MX, no Lefty Max, it sucks, I know.

    Second: remember the list of 2008 models I posted a while ago? Remember the two new bike lines with boring names? The Trail 130 and Big Mountain 160? Are they in the 2008 catalog? Nope.

    My take is: Cannondale were going to replace the Prophet by the Trail 130 line, available in both alloy and carbon versions as an All Mountain trail bike. This bike would be getting a new Lefty Max or whatever the name is. The Big Mountain 160, also available in alloy and carbon, would be replacing the Prophet MX as a longer travel aggressive All-Mountain, trail, light freeride bike. Lefty on that one? I don't know, this one would need a new version as the current Lefty Max wouldn't have enough travel but it might just use a burly Rock Shox, Fox or whatever fork with a Thru axle and all the bells and whistles that are now trendy and a must to be competitive. For both bikes, the current Lefty Max, as good as it is, is now a bit behind on the market, not that it would be better with all the gadgets like Travel reducing things and fancy valving from planet Mars... Cannondale needs to follow the market or lead the market. The current Max is too basic from a marketing point of view, for me it's a good thing but it's hard to sell a fork that costs that much when it has much less gadgets that what the others are doing...

    Now, those two new bikes and Lefties were not ready yet to be introduced along the 2008 range so they just kept the Prophet but simplified the line without too much investments, just to fill the gap in the range in the meantime. I expect new bikes, with or without new Lefties, as mid-year models or as 2009 at the latest...

    Now, someone copy this post somewhere and bring it back in a year to see how far off I was or if I'll be able to brag 'I told you guys!'

    And don't worry, there are probably people at Cannondale reading this and I'm sure they knew that the reaction wouldn't be good in the true Cannondale aficionados. I know they check my blog and they still care about the public's reaction even though some tink they dont...

    That was thery number 1. Are you ready for the theory number two?

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    Much simpler. They saw that I was probably going to get a new Scalpel so they said: "If Dan doesn't use the Max anymore, it's not worth keeping it!" So because of me, the Max is dead... Sorry guys!


    I'm putting my money on Theory 2 dan


    since we are hypothesizing .......... heres my take (i mean wishful thinking ......)

    The Big mountain 160 will need a Lefty Max 160 that can also be limited by 30mm for a Max 130 29er and Cannondale will introduce a new line of trail bikes the WHATEVER 130 in 26 and 29 format. A Single pivot FS 29er with 130 mm of travel and a LEFTY now we're talking. That company has its Sh$%*%*t together and sees where the market is going

    oh wait no cannondale is re-vamping the scapel (sorry dan I know you like the new design and all) but why on gods earth would you invest time and resources re-vamping an antiquated 26" soft tail format

    read my lips CANNONDALE, reasonable travel (110-140mm) FS 29ers is where the market is going. Join in or BE LEFT IN THE DUST

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgordo
    I'm putting my money on Theory 2 dan


    since we are hypothesizing .......... heres my take (i mean wishful thinking ......)

    The Big mountain 160 will need a Lefty Max 160 that can also be limited by 30mm for a Max 130 29er and Cannondale will introduce a new line of trail bikes the WHATEVER 130 in 26 and 29 format. A Single pivot FS 29er with 130 mm of travel and a LEFTY now we're talking. That company has its Sh$%*%*t together and sees where the market is going

    oh wait no cannondale is re-vamping the scapel (sorry dan I know you like the new design and all) but why on gods earth would you invest time and resources re-vamping an antiquated 26" soft tail format

    read my lips CANNONDALE, reasonable travel (110-140mm) FS 29ers is where the market is going. Join in or BE LEFT IN THE DUST
    26" wheels wont die... 29ers have advantages but also disadvantages and depending of the rider, the riding style, the trail and it's conditions, they can be better or worse than 26ers. To me, 26" wheels are still superior, not antiquated at all...

    Cannondale will sell much more Scalpels than all the 29ers they could make. Let's be honest here, the light suspended race bike market is still much bigger than the 29er market and Cannondale knows that. If everybody wanted 29ers, don't worry, Cannondale would make more as they are in the buisness to make money (more now than ever). That's for now, the ratio will grow toward 29er wheels but I don't think we'll see 29ers outselling 26ers anytime soon... I personally don't like 29" wheels, they weigh more, tires too, they accelerate slower, they are flexier (good thing for bump absorbtion, not good for cornering). I could see it on some trail bikes that are aimed for tall people who are more into having fun than going fast but for smaller people and racers, I think 26" wheels are much better and I have learned to take Mr. Gary Fisher's crap with a grain of salt (Genesis sucks!). Of course, that's only my opinion, everybody has his... I'm getting way off topic here am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
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    That would be glorious!
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    *** I've posted it on the 2008 info thread by mistake... so I'm reproducing it here too. ***

    Really, there must be a good reason to Cannondale drop the Lefty Max off. Maybe we can't tell by now, but only time will tell, and we will be staring in wonder when Cannondale go for Round Two (Round 1 being the new Scalpel and minor tweaks in the rest of the line; well, 2008 is already knocking at the door...

    I'm really placing my bets on carbon bikes in 2008. The new Trail 130 and Big Mountain 160 will shake up the things a little (yeah, I'm being humble to consider it this way...

    My chance of ever get a Prophet are now all gone. I know how good it is, but with the new bikes just to come in within a few months, I won't go the Prophet way anymore. Also Dan pointed some interesting considerations about the Lefty Max being a bit updated, and with the evolution of new suspension forks, the Lefty Max HAD to be reconsidered.

    I'm really into all the integrated system Cannondale preaches and does extremelly well (differently of newcomers which are now bragging about integration when they only had the guts years after Cannondale get into the game and show how to score high with simple yet brilliant concepts), and that defines Cannondale as much as it works. So I think it's as much umprobable that they will leave such a good concept behind. That will live on the new bikes, and for sure we'll have good surprises.

    Now I'll probably wait 'till the new bikes (Trail and BM) to show up. I'm really impressed with the Rush, and even more with the Rush Carbon, but I'll wait to know for sure what bike to pick, just not to be regret after a while. But with any of them, I'd hardly be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr01930
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    *** I've posted it on the 2008 info thread by mistake... so I'm reproducing it here too. ***

    Really, there must be a good reason to Cannondale drop the Lefty Max off. Maybe we can't tell by now, but only time will tell, and we will be staring in wonder when Cannondale go for Round Two (Round 1 being the new Scalpel and minor tweaks in the rest of the line; well, 2008 is already knocking at the door...

    I'm really placing my bets on carbon bikes in 2008. The new Trail 130 and Big Mountain 160 will shake up the things a little (yeah, I'm being humble to consider it this way...

    My chance of ever get a Prophet are now all gone. I know how good it is, but with the new bikes just to come in within a few months, I won't go the Prophet way anymore. Also Dan pointed some interesting considerations about the Lefty Max being a bit updated, and with the evolution of new suspension forks, the Lefty Max HAD to be reconsidered.

    I'm really into all the integrated system Cannondale preaches and does extremelly well (differently of newcomers which are now bragging about integration when they only had the guts years after Cannondale get into the game and show how to score high with simple yet brilliant concepts), and that defines Cannondale as much as it works. So I think it's as much umprobable that they will leave such a good concept behind. That will live on the new bikes, and for sure we'll have good surprises.

    Now I'll probably wait 'till the new bikes (Trail and BM) to show up. I'm really impressed with the Rush, and even more with the Rush Carbon, but I'll wait to know for sure what bike to pick, just not to be regret after a while. But with any of them, I'd hardly be.
    And if no Trail and BM bikes show up, [COUGH] I MAY have a blinged up Prophet for sale by season's end... [/COUGH]

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    I love my Lefty Max. It was the main reason I bought my Prophet. If people don't like the Lefty for its simplicity then that means the single pivot suspension design will be next replaced by a 50 bar linkage which is all the rage nowadays. If there is no Lefty Max or single pivot Cannondales when I replace my Prophet I will probably buy something other than a C-Dale. Its a sad sad day.

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    Great, now it's going to cost even more to upgrade my FFD Max to TPC or SPV.
    like it was reasonably cheap before.


    crappy, guess it's time to look at more conventional fork options.

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    Here's my theory.

    Fox won the contract to build the internals for the Lefty Speed. Since they would rather sell an entire fork than just the internals they compromised and killed just one Lefty. Since the Max didn't sell as well it had to go. And Fox probably gave them a good price on their heavier, rougher, less stiff 140mm fork as a peace offering.

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    Manitou's trouble might have a part to play too. They have been bought by Hayes but they were down for a while... Maybe the new management decided to put all their energy trying to revive Manitou and they pulled the plug on the producing of the Lefty Max internals... Again, it's speculation from my part.

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    As DG mentioned there will probably be two models (trail&BM) to replace prophet line (sl, mx and regular). I would say that BM will have single crown fork something like fox 36, MZ 55 or RS Lyrik. On the other hand trail could get modified lefty dlr with 130mm of travel. For me this would make sense, trail should be light and DLR alloy weight is 1,78 kg whereas lefty max alloy was 2,09 kg. I think that main trail´s competitors would be Stumpjumper, trance X, fuel EX - 5 inch lightweight trail bikes with top models that weight around 11kg.

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    i know we've debated the possible emerging of a lefty 160 with or without fox internals, and that the dicussion ended up in pro not gonna happen land. but talking to a guy at the local bike store he started talking about the 160 without me mentioning it. as i usually know more than those guys about what's going on it's possible that i've talked to him about the 160 before and he forgot that i've told him (as it has happened before with other new bikes and parts). but it's also possible that the importer over here has said something he perhaps shouldn't have let slip.

    my take on the exit of the 140max is somewhat indifferent. personally i think the prophet would benefit from a lefty up front with more travel. i just don't think the max feels like it has 140mm of travel. it's also very lightly, as mentioned before, that due to their new long time offerings, aka the two new bikes, a 140mm is no longer needed. when the fact that manitou is somewhat all over the place currently and that fox has been contributing more and more to the lefty lineup, i think it's possible that the evolution of the game is new lefty's with fox internals. lefty's are a key piece in the brand profile or marketing strenght of cannondale and i think it would be odd to part with what makes cannondale different from other bike manufacturers.

    also, considering the prophet is probably on the way out, i think it makes sense to offer it without leftys, if they are more expensive to make and sell in specs, if the intended market of the prophet next year is as a low cost bike.

    i might be wrong and it's all speculation, but i'm thinking we'll see the introduction of the new lefty maximus with 160mm travel and that the speed range get extended to also having a 130mm option. remember, when the prophet came out 140mm travel was a lot. no i would like to see something more in the 6 inch way of things. 5 inchers are more commenly used as trailbikes these days and not nescessarily heavy duty trail bikes. thus i think it makes perfect sense to introduce a speed fork for the five inch marked. the lock out feature is propably needed to stay on top there. a motivation might also be go offer a air fork in the 130mm range.

    so to sum it up, have we seen the last of leftys? no i don't think so. evolution is bound to happen and i think cannondale is paving the way for the new line up. kinda makes sense to me as i think the lefty line up needs a little bit of an amp.

    or

    i might be totally wrong and the executives mistoke a board meeting with a marketing agenda for a crack meet and made some really poor choices.

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    Well if it's end of the lefties bad call from all the wheel manufactures getting into lefty hubs for '08, let's hope Shimano know something we don't... long live the lefty.

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    Dan just hasn't ridden one ong enough to notice the benefits El Gordo, gotta drink the Kool Aid Dan

    As for theorizing, sorry, it's gone. Unless Cannondale is so deep secret about it that it's not even listed in the tech manuals for '08 that is. They list several Lefties, all 110, one of which is a new Fox RLC 110. No long travels anywhere. This is straight from the 2008 dealer kit, not a leaked catalogue test balloon situation.

    I would not say that 29er's will take over the market, but it is a significant, and growing segment. There are several companies offering longer travel FS this year, and the Astrix Monk, is 2, make that 3 years old @ 4.5 inches, and selling well. A new Eon 5.5" is in the line up for 08 as far as I am aware. Gary Fisher can jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned. His ideas stopped being truly innovative once MTB's hit the major market back in the 80's. I'll give him credit for pushing through on 29er's, but it's the folks at Willits that really deserve credit. They kept pushing, before, and after Fisher picked up the trail.

    Okay, back to our eulogy for the best fork Cannondale ever made, and saw fit to toss due to becoming a cheap-minded, market driven, follower of trends, as opposed to setting them.
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    Well, I agree with you: 29er are a growing segment and yes, I haven't ridden one long enough... (they are very rare outside the US so it's hard to have one to try, I have seen only a few 29er Fishers, you'd think with all the snow, that big fat wheels would pick up) but I still think it's smarter to prioritize the Scalpel over a 29er bike. The Scalpel is very popular, it's still the winningest FS XC bike... But that's all another discussion... nothing to do with the Lefty Max.

    And about that Max, I know it's nowhere in the 08 books but maybe a 2009 bike? Early release perhaps?

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    or maybe more travel is just overrated? and they are thinking to take a step backwards. like when they thought, lets do motorcycles. or maybe we shouldn't.

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    This is unbelievable.... no more Lefty Max? I finally have one and now I guess I'll have problems getting spare parts if I should ever need some? That actually explains why my local cannondale representative was so "kind" to exchange my Lefty FFD with a Lefty Max carbon for only $100.-!!!! Now this makes me think they wanna get rid of their existing forks fast!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsguy
    Since the Max didn't sell as well it had to go. And Fox probably gave them a good price on their heavier, rougher, less stiff 140mm fork as a peace offering.

    Best theory yet, but I do wish they sold more Maxes, then the DLR2 would be going away instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Okay, back to our eulogy for the best fork Cannondale ever made, and saw fit to toss due to becoming a cheap-minded, market driven, follower of trends, as opposed to setting them.
    So, did I miss something, if the 140 is truely gone, what's the prophet going to get? The 110? Fox?

    It does seem that this is what Cannondale is becoming. Cannondale has (I'm not giving up all hope yet) always been a company I respected and admired among the throngs of others that were selling out as fast as they could (In any market). In my mind, I ALWAYS believed Cannondale to be incapable of selling out. It just seems impossible given their reputation. I hope that remains true. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsguy
    I love my Lefty Max. It was the main reason I bought my Prophet. If people don't like the Lefty for its simplicity then that means the single pivot suspension design will be next replaced by a 50 bar linkage which is all the rage nowadays. If there is no Lefty Max or single pivot Cannondales when I replace my Prophet I will probably buy something other than a C-Dale. Its a sad sad day.

    EXACT DITTO FROM ME.

    In the future, like now, I want a long travel relatively light but durable bike and I want a lefty long travel strut on it, just like on my 2005 prophet 2000. Doing away with this strut, which I absolutely love, kills the deal for me with future Cannondales. I have no interest in a big hit machine (burly 6.5+ travel) and I don't think such a machine should use a lefty anyway. Cross county & light all mountain yes, big hit & downhill no. 5 1/2 inches is perfect. Shorter 130? Wrong direction, Cannondale. No way for me.
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    I always liked the looks and stiffness of the Lefty, but not the CDale internals (special tools needed, perception of lame damping control). When I saw the Max with TPC damping, I knew it was for me! Especially with the 5"+ travel. Got it adapted to 1 1/8 so I could have something other than a hardtail or single pivot, then got it adapted to fit a 29er. All sweet.

    It never fails, just when I've got something good just about figured out.... it gets canceled.

    If they're bringing in a longer travel (maximus - I like it) Lefty, that would be great! But it should have been rolled out as the replacement and justification for dropping the 140.

    If lack of sales was the problem, why in tarnation didn't they market it as a 1 1/8 aftermarket thing?? Woulda saved me some trouble, and their sales would have gone up while only adding 3 new parts to inventory.

    I had done some brainstorming about stretching a 140 to get full travel on a 29er, basically making a new upper or con P321 into making special clamps to move the strut down. But if the 140 is "gone", planning mods to it is not a solution. Unless I stock up on parts to last me a couple decades? Hmmmmm.....
    This isn't a "you're doing it wrong" topic.

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    wadester: I think that with how unconventional the design is, marketed as an aftermarket product would not have yielded the kind of profits that C'dale would require from putting the effort in...
    those of us who ride them know how well they work, but I can totally see how people unfamiliar with the sterling qualities of the Lefty would balk at how much they'd need to shell out to ride one
    (or indeed, already DO need to shell out to ride one... even though prices for lefties are inflated because they are a purely OEM product, they would still be a very pricey item in the direct aftermarket)
    Hell, I enjoy the kool-aide, but I wouldn't have ended up with my Max unless I got some insane smoking deal on one, or it came on a bike
    (scenario dos is how I ended up on mine, a lowly FFD Max)

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    It's a strange move indeed on Cannondale's part...!?!!!

    I don't own a Cannondale at the moment - have a Giant AC - but would like to get either a Prophet or Rush (or maybe ever a F3 and keep my AC) when funds permit as I've always wanted a Cannondale - mainly because they seem different, unlike most cookie cutter bike brands (anyone say Giant?) they exude quality. And part of that for me was the lefty and headshock - and for that reason I doubt I'd get a Prophet...it's not much different from my AC. So I'm down to a Rush or a F3 - that's if they don't drop the lefty or headshock!

    This and now they are starting to make bikes in Taiwan - what's up with this move? Cannondale is a name that stands for quality, not mass produced bikes from Asia - is this part of the new ownership?

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    Cannondale is screwing up

    They're losing loyal customers. Now they're making frames in China? Can you say crap? Lefty 140 Max was the best fork ever and it sold so many bikes for them. I can't believe they turned their backs on us like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuelclarke
    is this part of the new ownership?
    I'm not in the meetings, but I'd put money on the fact that it's a "fiscally based" decision. All about shareholder performance now, "Passion" be damned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    I'm not in the meetings, but I'd put money on the fact that it's a "fiscally based" decision. All about shareholder performance now, "Passion" be damned.
    Sad but true.

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    Maybe it is good news

    Maybe the discontinued the Max 140 because it will be replaced with a Max 150 with variable travel. We can always dream....
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    This is really bad year. First the fugly Taiwan-made frame and now no more Lefty MAX.
    As far as I see it I'm done with C'dale - I'm in market for new bike and I know I will look elsewhere. For me Cannondale was sort of icebreaker of the bike world - other's just followed.
    Since Chapter11 they turned into pure business and they don't want to risk anything to set new standards. They tend to mimic Specialized and Trek too much these days.

    Sorry just my 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marclan
    They're losing loyal customers. Now they're making frames in China? Can you say crap? Lefty 140 Max was the best fork ever and it sold so many bikes for them. I can't believe they turned their backs on us like this.
    You guys really take this stuff personal don't you? Prophets without lefties sold more than prophets with lefties. That may not register with the folks on this site, but it is true. Also the prophets in the catalog are All Mtn Entry bikes. They are just another way to bring people looking for an all mtn bike into the Cannondale fold in a cost effective way. It is no secret at this point that there are other bikes in the works...One would probably say that the Prophet is going to be split into two maternal twins (similar concept, different shape and size) to better suit those who ride the bike in varying ways. Those all Mtn guys would be stoked on a 130 travel bike and the big hit guys blowing apart prophet's will have their 160 bike to shred on. Seems pretty simple to me. Instead of getting mad about it, why don't you enjoy the suspense of finding out what is coming next!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecka
    This is really bad year. First the fugly Taiwan-made frame and now no more Lefty MAX.
    As far as I see it I'm done with C'dale - I'm in market for new bike and I know I will look elsewhere. For me Cannondale was sort of icebreaker of the bike world - other's just followed.
    Since Chapter11 they turned into pure business and they don't want to risk anything to set new standards. They tend to mimic Specialized and Trek too much these days.

    Sorry just my 2 cents
    How are low end bikes fugly? They look just like a caffeine just with lower end spec? I think you might have it backwards Pecka. Looks like Specialized and Trek mimic them quite a bit and at this point it is hard to differentiate when everyone is ripping your style...

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    I hate the decision to get rid of "The Max" just as much as the next guy, but I've been through this before with Cannondale when they did away with the Killer V line. (Best hard tail ever in my opinion). However, I rode out the storm then and now love my Prophet 3, even though I thought I'd never find another Cdale that I would enjoy as much as my Killer V900. My point is, if you have been a long time Cdale owner, rider, fanatic as a lot of us are, I think we should just be patient and see what's in store for us. However, I know that's very hard to do...
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    It's not the first time a product gets a break or gets retired, it's just the way it is and that's true for almost every brands out there. You can't come out with a good bike or fork and send the designers and engineers home. You gotta keep pushing the brand otherwise, we'd still be riding full rigid 30lbs+ steel bike with crappy geometries. In Cannondale's case, everytime they retired a product, however great and popular it was, the replacement was an improvement...

    The future is bright and even this year, I don't know about you guys but there are new products that get me very excited. The new Scalpel frame is just too damn nice. A tad more travel, less weight, stiffer, looks better, just great! The new Hollowgram SL is so light yet super stiff. The 2x9 spider is also back in black. People haven't talked much about it but the new Lefty Fox RLC is a wonderful new product too that is much more refined than past Lefty models. New great road bikes too and next year, yup! Other new products will come out. It's a cycle thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    You guys really take this stuff personal don't you? Prophets without lefties sold more than prophets with lefties. That may not register with the folks on this site, but it is true. Also the prophets in the catalog are All Mtn Entry bikes. They are just another way to bring people looking for an all mtn bike into the Cannondale fold in a cost effective way. It is no secret at this point that there are other bikes in the works...One would probably say that the Prophet is going to be split into two maternal twins (similar concept, different shape and size) to better suit those who ride the bike in varying ways. Those all Mtn guys would be stoked on a 130 travel bike and the big hit guys blowing apart prophet's will have their 160 bike to shred on. Seems pretty simple to me. Instead of getting mad about it, why don't you enjoy the suspense of finding out what is coming next!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    ... why don't you enjoy the suspense of finding out what is coming next!?!
    That's where I come in!

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    first of all, the maximus was just something i made up, not a project that's on the way(as far as i know). just liked the name. if you wanna up the ante from the max, go maximus ;-)

    i know i'm not as hard core, meaning i haven't been liking cannondales for as long as some of you guys. i'm also european. i also agree with dan that this has not been a bad year for cannondale, at all . they're starting to make 29'ers for those of you who like those, just not very high spec. their new road bikes look the part and performs superbly as well. i for one have no problem with the outsourcing of the lower end bikes (let not bring that further into this thread yes - or it's the bin next ;-) ). i think that makes sense. the new scalpel also looks killer and from an efficiency point of view, better than the previous i think. and, suprise surprise, the best is prob yet to come. splitting the prophet into two bikes makes perfect sense. this way they can kill the prophet sl, and have a really really nice line up. think about it, scalpel - rush - prophet replacement light - prophet replacement hard core - perp - judge.

    and in terms of the max, i'm hoping this will be like when apple killed the ipod mini, which was selling really really well, and then introduced the nano, which sold even better. also, i'm thinking that if cannondale can bring the high end bikes to us stash ho's at a more affordable price, i would rather see the lower end prophets (replacements) with a none lefty setup.( but, time will tell what will happen. remember, something drastic i think was bound to happen with the lefty line up and i'm thinking there's a lot that has yet to be revealed. or i might be wrong. again, time will tell.

    and for me, i was hell bent on selling my prophet last week so i could make some money, but after this news broke i'm keeping it. i like it too much as it is.

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    I clearly see the disadvantages of the Lefty Max. This is a coil sprung fork with some additional weight over the air sprung ones. DH/FR guys who need coil forks for smooth linear response go for 170+mm of travel. For the average customer this is a damn pricey fork with the same weight as other 140mm forks, and it even has only one leg. Friction? Linear response? Torsion stiffness? Are you fredding me? It is hard to put a Lefty bike on the car roof, and a PITA to fix the bike computer on it. No QR or what?
    And do not forget the Cannondale stem length that starts with 80mm. You cant do serious trail riding or FR with road racing stems. I did upgrade to 50mm. It took SICUSA 2months to deliver that stem.

    The only races Lefty Max ever won was the 4X with CG on it. So who is buying a bike for 4X racing?

    C'dale simply looks for customers with more brains and those are the weight wheenies guys.

    Time will tell if Cannondale can make a Lefty DH for the Perp. DH/FR guys usually care more about technology and less about price. I guess there is still future for long travel Leftys.

    As C'dale took the Max from the European market, I thought Americans are cooler people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotkom
    I clearly see the disadvantages of the Lefty Max. This is a coil sprung fork with some additional weight over the air sprung ones. DH/FR guys who need coil forks for smooth linear response go for 170+mm of travel. For the average customer this is a damn pricey fork with the same weight as other 140mm forks, and it even has only one leg. Friction? Linear response? Torsion stiffness? Are you fredding me? It is hard to put a Lefty bike on the car roof, and a PITA to fix the bike computer on it. No QR or what?
    And do not forget the Cannondale stem length that starts with 80mm. You cant do serious trail riding or FR with road racing stems. I did upgrade to 50mm. It took SICUSA 2months to deliver that stem.

    The only races Lefty Max ever won was the 4X with CG on it. So who is buying a bike for 4X racing?

    C'dale simply looks for customers with more brains and those are the weight wheenies guys.

    Time will tell if Cannondale can make a Lefty DH for the Perp. DH/FR guys usually care more about technology and less about price. I guess there is still future for long travel Leftys.

    As C'dale took the Max from the European market, I thought Americans are cooler people.
    They are not.

    Wow, sorry your experience was so poor. There are many ways around the issues you state, if you look, and or ask. Many love them, which is why we're all bummed here, on this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Wow, sorry your experience was so poor. There are many ways around the issues you state, if you look, and or ask. Many love them, which is why we're all bummed here, on this thread
    I dont guess I am having a poor experence with the Lefty. I dont use cyclocomputers, dont have a roofrack, have no QR on the bike to loose my wheels, and even solved the stem issue. I just tried to explain how people think about leftys.

    I even figured out that I never need a roofrack with the Lefty. I can take out the whole fork + wheels in 30secs and put the bike in any car trunk.

    One guy recently complained how "unbalanced" the bike is because of the lefty. Make any sense to you?

    By the way I am actually building a new Lefty Max Prophet for my girlfriend.

    So this is about "Lefty Max People vs. the rest of the world"

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    Ronald has it right, Cannondale would go out of business if they just relied on selling bikes to people on this forum!
    Unfortunately when a lot of people walk into a bike shop they tend to have preconceived ideas about the Lefty. Most are of course not based on experience or any first hand knowledge, but what a friend told them, or they heard at another bike shop and they are hard to turn around.

    "bikes with Leftys will always turn to the left/right"
    "the front axle will snap off"
    "you have to send it back to the factory for all service"
    and so on.

    Often they will end up buying thea bike with a regular fork.
    Its a simple business decision, the Lefty is expensive to make and then the bike will have lower spec at the same price. Yes I would rather have a Lefty than an
    XT rear derailleur and make do with the LX one, but a lot of customers dont see it that way. They want spec for the buck and know just enough to be dangerous., but they are the ones with the money, and ultimately shops and companies have to be able to make money.
    Lets hope that the prediction of the trail/all mountain models comes true and there is at least one with a 130 and 160 all carbon Lefty with Fox RLC internals.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Wombat
    Its a simple business decision,

    Yep, and that's the whole problem. Cannondale has always been able to craft a singularly different bicycle, and never be solely about business first, and somehow, that allowed them to become one of the big players in the industry. Now that they abandon it, they are a shallower version of their former selves. I predict within a few years, they will be fairly indistinguishable from their competition, in terms of spec, appearance, style, and price. It's business, one can't afford to be too unique as to errode market share......
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    Cannondales bigger all mountain bike that DG mentioned are coming out. Just not this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    How are low end bikes fugly?
    Ron, check out the welds - this is not a Cannondale in my book. I can't remeber any of my previous 'dales to look so bad - and I ride them since '89.
    I fully respect the business view but for me the magic that made the company unique is mostly gone.

    One other rant - at 6'6" I'm big guy and I always had problem with short HT on my Lefty equipped bikes, now that the Lefty is gone from Prophet line it would be great if they would bring back size dependend HTs.

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    I agree with all the guys that are being optimistic

    Cannondale wouldn't totally ditch the Lefty Max for too long, they would lose to many customers...maybe

    I bet something big is in the works. Have faith Lefty-Owners, have faith

    But if they drop the Lefty Speed to in years to come...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oilerfan30
    But if they drop the Lefty Speed to in years to come...
    There is even more Lefty Speed models for 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    There is even more Lefty Speed models for 2008.
    True, but who knows what could happen in years to come...I mean who ever guessed the Lefty Max would be dropped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oilerfan30
    True, but who knows what could happen in years to come...I mean who ever guessed the Lefty Max would be dropped.
    That works both ways: who can guess what new products they'll come up with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    That works both ways: who can guess what new products they'll come up with?
    Very true..somewhere in the back of my head, logic says that its a bad idea to get rid of the lefty max for any lenght of time. I bet C'Dale's got something up their sleeve.

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    Okay, fresh info....

    Spoke with "someone" at Cannondale, who was willing to part with a bit more information. Manitou has been purchased by Hayes, no new news there. Apparently, they are not interested in continuing the relationship with Cannondale, as far as proprietary suspension parts goes. No new parts are in the pipeline, nor are any new ones being made. The Trail 130, and Big Mountain 160 are not available yet since their "anchor product" is not yet ready, but is in rideable prototype phase. They should be a midseason introduction, if all goes well I'm going out on a limb, and guessing it's Fox guts, just a hunch there, they would not deny, or confirm that, but agreed it made sense, since all other branded internals are now Fox based. Phew, sigh of relief.......

    Now, here's a prime example of why Cannondale should be ON this forum, and allow certain employees to post. Alot of customers would be willing to stick around, with a bit more info getting out there. I think there's an employee on here, posting anonymously, which is silly, and makes them look "shill-ish". Hope they know they are prohibited by corporate policy from doing so Cannondale needs to get out of the back room only mentality, Many other manufacturers have an authorized spokesman on the boards, and it's very beneficial, many problems are taken care of, more easily, with alot less impact on brand value, due to lot's of pissed posters, lighting fires, which spread, rather quickly.
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    Good info, I agree

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    ...The Trail 130, and Big Mountain 160 are not available yet since their "anchor product" is not yet ready...guessing it's Fox guts...a prime example of why Cannondale should be ON this forum.
    This is consistent with what I am hearing.

    I agree 110% about Cannondale having an official spokesperson on this forum. Although it will be a tough job for whoever gets it. Most companies who get involved in the forum are small and the boards are not nearly as active. I guarantee that a Cannondale (or Trek or Specialized etc.) spokesman will draw lots of nasty attacks and will have to be professional enough to know what and how to get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Manitou has been purchased by Hayes, no new news there. Apparently, they are not interested in continuing the relationship with Cannondale, as far as proprietary suspension parts goes.

    The Trail 130, and Big Mountain 160 are not available yet since their "anchor product" is not yet ready, but is in rideable prototype phase. They should be a midseason introduction, if all goes well...
    Sounds like what I posted earlier...

    But no, I'm not an anonymous Cannondale employee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Sounds like what I posted earlier...

    But no, I'm not an anonymous Cannondale employee.
    Yep, I admit, I flew off the handle, but that's because, I, as a dealer, could get nothing but, "yes, it's gone, there will be no more made" out of them.

    I shouldn't have to "find" the right person to talk to, about something as big as this, as I have cusomers, asking me for info, affecting future purchase decisions....
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    "Apparently, they are not interested in continuing the relationship with Cannondale, as far as proprietary suspension parts goes. No new parts are in the pipeline, nor are any new ones being made."

    Does that mean spare/replacement parts for the Lefty Max are going to rapidly become hard to find? If so, any nickel/dime parts we should stock up on now while we can?
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    But often, big companies are secretive for good reasons. If everybody knows a better product is on the way in a few months, will you buy the current, inferior product now or wait for the good stuff? We know they always improve products but they want to sell what they have now, they can't have have very low sales for a too long period. Of course, most bike buyers don't come here as much as we do so they probably have no clue about future products...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotkom
    Craig I need to have another word with you. I did everything (new O-rings, Quad ring, interchanged the blue rings of compression and rebound) I could and I dont get a good damping on my TPC. I ended up using 10wt oil and the damping is still nothing compared to the new one.
    You may have a seized rebound damper push rod. Or did you, and you fixed it? If it works, but is just too quick, try 15 wt, but that seems to thick to me. Personal preference though. Let me know how it goes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdr01930
    "Apparently, they are not interested in continuing the relationship with Cannondale, as far as proprietary suspension parts goes. No new parts are in the pipeline, nor are any new ones being made."

    Does that mean spare/replacement parts for the Lefty Max are going to rapidly become hard to find? If so, any nickel/dime parts we should stock up on now while we can?
    That's a very interesting post Mendon, thanks.

    I'm kind of worried about this issue too.

    What's going to happen when all the replacement parts run out?

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    Bearings, races, air filters, boots, quad seals will be available still. What else can fail again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Yep, no more will be offered, I think there's been some murmuring, and assumptions based on '08 info, but I just spoke with them, they will not offer the Max, anymore. Baffles me, as it worked much better than it's 110 DLR2 cousin, which was, and still is, plauged with issues. I guess it's a function of not being able to make enough, to keep up with demand, and since they offer more bikes with a 110 compatibility, that one stays, the Max, kiss it goodbye. I recommend hording behaviour starting today, or, sell me yours, as I LOVE this fork. Bad decision Cannondale, hmmm, one of many as of late. Sigh.......
    How much would you pay for a 2006 Lefty Max SPV in good condition? I've been thinking about switching to a Fox 36, or a Marzocchi 55.

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    Spoke with my rep today, and got this additionally. Parts are slim picking. As dan indicated, most are simple, universal stuff, but dampers and the like will be the toughies. Will more be available? Maybe, if they can find someone else to make them, but no more are coming from Manitou.

    On other news, I mentioned I had spoken to someone else, and got some "info" at which point, "it was referred to as the "DL" and Fox was involved. Long travel, lockout, at least some people would be happy to get that, though most still wish longingly for travel adjustment.....Anyone wishing to unload Maxes cheap, let me know, I'm buying
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    You may have a seized rebound damper push rod. Or did you, and you fixed it? If it works, but is just too quick, try 15 wt, but that seems to thick to me. Personal preference though. Let me know how it goes!
    I did have seized pushrod and I cleaned it (you did not want to believe that this would be a serial problem...) now I can really feel the pushrod working. I even thought that the damping is OK, but then my girl's new LMax arrived... ugh...thats another world of damping. I thought it is the blue ring worn out so I changed the compression ring to the reb ring (the comp ring is static, should not be worn out) still nothing. Seal kit new. So I rip it apart again I guess.

    I am ordering each single part that i need directly from the USA...luckily my sister liver in OR so she helps me with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotkom
    I did have seized pushrod and I cleaned it (you did not want to believe that this would be a serial problem...) now I can really feel the pushrod working. I even thought that the damping is OK, but then my girl's new LMax arrived... ugh...thats another world of damping. I thought it is the blue ring worn out so I changed the compression ring to the reb ring (the comp ring is static, should not be worn out) still nothing. Seal kit new. So I rip it apart again I guess.
    Odd, sounds like the bullet is being held up by something. Clean out that bottom end with deagreaser, and blow it out with an air hose. This is a pretty simple system, much like a door, air flow depends on how open, or closed the door is, there's no magic parts in there......
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    What kind of money would you be offering for a Lefty Max?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dthomp325
    What kind of money would you be offering for a Lefty Max?
    Open market say's 4 to 6. I'm looking for knee jerk reactionary sales, not full value, as I work on a ton of these, it's nice to have extras around for spare parts etc. PM me if you have a price in mind
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    I'm new to the sport and earlier this summer picked up a new 06 Prophet 1000 with the Lefty Max. My question is, with the fork now being discontinued, do i risk finding myself with an irreparable fork sometime in the not so near future?

    I would call myself as a casual rider. Ride mostly on the weekends only putting in maybe a hundred miles or so a month on the bike. Most of these miles would be riding trails here in the NJ NY area.

    I love the bike. I imagine that even as the years go by and the bike goes through upgrades the fork will probably be one of the last things I would want to replace. Would hate to find myself in a position where I have to replace it because parts are no longer available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pow
    do i risk finding myself with an irreparable fork sometime in the not so near future?
    With routine service, and normal caution taken after wet rides, your fork will last a long time. Assuming there's nothing wrong now, they will last till you're ready to dump it, and move on
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    With routine service, and normal caution taken after wet rides, your fork will last a long time. Assuming there's nothing wrong now, they will last till you're ready to dump it, and move on
    being relatively new to mtb'ing, how far back in say, Rock Shox's history, do I have to go to have a fork They no longer support...
    Curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CdaleTony
    being relatively new to mtb'ing, how far back in say, Rock Shox's history, do I have to go to have a fork They no longer support...
    Curious...
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    But Rock Shox doesn't rely on another fork company for it's internals as is the case here...

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    bummer on the lefty. I realize i will be torn apart for posting such an inflamatory post but... I have a Nixon super air on my chameleon and for trail riding....i cant tell any huge difference between the lefty and the nixon. Not that i dislike the lefty...on the contrary...i love it, but i also love the Nixon. No discernable differences on everyday singletrack riding. With multiple bikes i would rather be able to switch out wheels if need be and System integration doesnt work for this. I am sure i will miss the lefty when it is gone but for now it doesnt fit my future riding choices.

    now, as for lift access riding...i know this isnt what the lefty is made for. a straight fox 36 van was definitely better at snow shoe on the freeride side. This may be attributed to the (under) sprung lefty, but it didnt feel as good as my buddies bike on the drops and freeride features. I cant explain why but it didnt.....must have kept pulling to the left

    So it is curtains for the prophet and the lefty as I am now addicted to lift access riding.

    I will so miss the comments of "hey are you going to ride that down that" or "um..half your fork fell off the bike on the way up...what do you want to do?" (completely legit concern by the lift operator)...and on....and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    But Rock Shox doesn't rely on another fork company for it's internals as is the case here...
    I just want to know how long some other fork mfr. supports a fork...
    5 years? 8 years? At what point do parts become really hard to get
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    With routine service, and normal caution taken after wet rides, your fork will last a long time.
    Thanks! Would you mind going a little bit more into what routine service and wet ride maintenance would consist of?

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    "wet ride maintenance"
    I was actually wondering about the wet ride maint. part, but was reluctant to go off topic!
    Maybe a slight diversion is in order after all!

    Edit - Nevermind - Dan's "simulpost" covered it - thanks Dan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pow
    Thanks! Would you mind going a little bit more into what routine service and wet ride maintenance would consist of?
    Every now and then, after very wet and muddy rides, it's good to take off the zip-tie at the bottom of the fork boot and stick a pencil or the like so air can get in and humidity and water can get out, leave it like that overnight or something, don't put the bike upside down since the water that might be there will move up in the fork where it can do more damage.

    You may not need to do it everytime but once in a while, pull up the boot and clean the races and bearings, then applying new quality grease, cycle the fork a bit and wipe off the excess grease at the bottom. Pull the boot back down, put a new zip-tie.

    Bearing resets should be done once in a while, whether you ride in the wet or in dryer places.

    No need to write that down, it's all in the manuals...

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    Thanks!

    Appreciate it guys, sorry if i hijacked the thread there.

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