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    Good news for older Lefty owners!

    Just got back from a meeting at Cannondale, and they dropped a sweet little nugget in my lap, thought that I'd share the word.

    They recently finished up a round of testing with a number of older forks, and have found that they can be upgraded to the new, 2011 PBR/XLR dampers.

    Yep, ANYTHING 2005 or newer. This is big news for several reasons. One, you can now get the latest Solo Air, which is not only lighter, but offers incredible tuning potential, for those who are aware enough to care. Right out of the box, it'll deliver a better ride than the stock version you have, but if you need more, you can get it.

    The big things are the blow off in the lock out, and the ability to control low speed compression. The longer PBRs got blow off over the last year or so, but now, they all have it (save the 2011 100mm Leftys, not an issue in this case) These cartridges can be tuned from a virtually full lock, to virtually lockless, just like the latest platform shocks from other makes. The low speed compression tuning is new all around, and puts the nail inthe coffin of just about any hater out there. Since the Lefty is so much plusher, regardless of loading, it would exhibit some brake dive. Most never got bent out of shape about it, but now? Tune it 4 different ways, and smile.

    Who this is really interesting news for, is Left Max TPC/FFD/SPV folks. Love that fork do you? I know I love mine! We've been told these forks are orphans, since Manitou made the parts, and they went through bankruptcy, they were no longer supplying the guts.

    Now, slap a 140 PBR, or XLR in it, shave some weight, add lock out (with platform and low speed damping tuning) and keep that chassis rolling till the cows come home

    By all means, run what you brung if it's still working and you're happy, but if things go south, you now have better options that offloading it on eBay for a few bucks....

    Details. All requisite parts for PBR, would run $260, regardless off model. If you want XLR it's another $150 (don't quote me on that, I don't have the paper work in front of me currently, but it's about that).

    This is breaking news. Most dealers will look at you funny if you ask them to do this, or answer questions. If they are good dealers, they'll call, get educated, and smile. If they blow you off, find a better dealer, call Cannondale, or shoot me a note.

    What this really means is that for about 1/2 the price of a help a brother out, good deal, trade in price, you can keep your existing structure, and just get the guts updated.

    They also offer this as an additional incentive. Since the cartridges are the main expensive wear item in the forks, they will offer cartridge replacement down the road for $125, they will need your old cart to give you this price though. Since they charge about that much for a factory service, this is a pretty sweet deal.

    Questions? Fire away!

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    mmmm.... i'll be in touch very soon Craig. Thanks!!!

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    You'll be hearing from me Craig!

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    Thanks Craig. That is fantastic news! I have asked my dealer a couple of times already about uprading the Lefty on my 2010 Flash 29er Carbon 1 to an XLR damper. I love the Lefty, but the damper is not even close to the quality of my Pushed Fox F32 100.
    How do you do the needle bearing reset with the hose coming out of the top of the XLR? Ever since I read your advice on the reset, I have been doing it every month. It makes a huge difference. Do you have to remove the XLR lock out hose to reset the bearings? If it's a big project, I may just go with the PBR.
    Do you have any experience with taking one of the 10mm spacers out of the 80mm travel Speed Carbon Lefty to make it 90mm travel? It looks like I have plenty of clearance. What are the potential issues?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX Flash
    How do you do the needle bearing reset with the hose coming out of the top of the XLR?Do you have any experience with taking one of the 10mm spacers out of the 80mm travel Speed Carbon Lefty to make it 90mm travel? It looks like I have plenty of clearance. What are the potential issues?
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    The XLR is cake. Remove the top collar as normal, and pull the thing out. The whole unit comes off as one piece. No puking fluid etc. Take the split rings off, and reset.

    As for spacer questions, way too many variables for me to say yes it'll be fine. Rim width, tire volume, etc, all play into the considerations. It *may* be fine, but you'll want to do it, reduce your pressure to say, 50 psi so you can easily do a full compression, and check for clearance. Each situation and combination is a bit different than the next.
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    Good new....

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    I just finished mating the lowers and internals from a Lefty speed dlr2 with broken alloy upper to my lefty max carbon upper........
    I was about to eBay the SPV internals and lower Max leg....now I'm thinking I'm keeping everything since I might make it a MAX again in case I get a different frame....
    So my SPV internals just lost value, since there are option for the old MAX struts now....
    I see them on eBay for cheap....might as well buy another one. convert it and make some extra money
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    Excellent! I thought that the XLR lock out was hydraulic and was worried about puking fluid. I was thinking that there would be some kind of bleeding process after the reset. It is a relief that it just pops on and off.
    I really like the idea of the remote push button lock out for racing. Starts, smooth fast sprinting staights, and smooth climbs would be awsome on a fully rigid 19lb Flash.

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    I need to know if this upgrade can be' done for 29er too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliflap
    I need to know if this upgrade can be' done for 29er too.
    Yep, across the board. Same cartridge (s) just the spacers, and appropriate air piston compensators are required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX Flash
    Excellent! I thought that the XLR lock out was hydraulic
    It is, all self contained though. You can hold it in your hands and activate it to your hearts content. No fluid.

    Worth putting in print, the fluid used in their system is not DOT4, it is Golden Spectro fork oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    I just finished mating the lowers and internals from a Lefty speed dlr2 with broken alloy upper to my lefty max carbon upper........
    I was about to eBay the SPV internals and lower Max leg....now I'm thinking I'm keeping everything since I might make it a MAX again in case I get a different frame....
    So my SPV internals just lost value, since there are option for the old MAX struts now....
    I see them on eBay for cheap....might as well buy another one. convert it and make some extra money
    Silly man, everyone knows SPV was lame, it was TPC's that everybody wanted
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    [QUOTE=MendonCycleSmith]It is, all self contained though. You can hold it in your hands and activate it to your hearts content. No fluid.

    Great information. I'm learning. Cannondale thought ahead on that design.

    Other than the remote lock out, how does the XLR differ/compare to the PBR? For a $150 price differential there must be a significant difference. I did a search for both, a search for XLR vs PBR, and went to the Cannondale website. I can't find the specific details for either articulated in much detail. I know they now have SRAM solo air spring, lock out blow off, adjustable low speed damping. What are the specific differences?

    Thanks

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    Nice! I'll be sending a leaky 2008 Lefty SL your way soon then!

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    aaaaand now I have to redouble my attempts to source a replacement swing-arm for my prophet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX Flash
    Other than the remote lock out, how does the XLR differ/compare to the PBR? For a $150 price differential there must be a significant difference.
    No difference beyond the remote. You can convert a PBR to an XLR by simply installing the upper control, and removing a small part inside the cartridge. No performance differences at all.
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    By the way Mendon, are parts already available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Silly man, everyone knows SPV was lame, it was TPC's that everybody wanted

    I know you guys think that but I too was always looking for spare parts for my fork to keep just in case...
    Thanks for helping me out btw....If I could have not done it myself I would have send it to you...
    When will those replacement cartridges be available?
    I would need one for my lefty speed dlr2 or are parts for it still readily available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    By the way Mendon, are parts already available?
    Most should be. There are several versions, and parts kits particular to certain models. If all were in stock, all the time, I'd be truly impressed, but most should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    When will those replacement cartridges be available?
    I would need one for my lefty speed dlr2 or are parts for it still readily available?
    Hey, whatever works for you! Glad I could help, however I did

    Most should be available now. I'd never say all though, without checking.

    If it's a non Solo Air DLR2, yes you'd need new guts. No old parts in stock.

    I'm just glad they stepped up to the plate, and recognized the durability/longevity of their telescopes, and went through the vetting process they did. Untill two weeks ago, we had no options, now? Tons!

    Thanks go out to Drew and Derrick, you guys rock.
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    I always thought the DLR2 solo air just uses a different air piston and that the cartridge itself was the same...
    Anyways...how much is that 2011 dlr2 solo air upgrade and what does it consists of?
    Can I just order it and put it in myself or is there some specific mod necessary?
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    So is the low speed compression adjustment new for 2011, or was this in the 2010 forks also? I have a 2010 Lefty Max PBR 140 for reference. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    I always thought the DLR2 solo air just uses a different air piston and that the cartridge itself was the same...
    Anyways...how much is that 2011 dlr2 solo air upgrade and what does it consists of?
    Can I just order it and put it in myself or is there some specific mod necessary?
    The newer Solo Air is different in several ways. Kind tough to describe in detail, but they are not the same cartridge.

    The 2011 carts are different yet again. The first gen versions suffered from a number of minor annoying issues, all which (according to Cannondale) have been addressed for 2011, in addition to the advanced tuning abilities.

    You cannot order from Cannondale (you likely knew this), but through a dealer such as your local one (if they are competent and willing) or someone such as myself.

    No mods are required, plug and play, but it is critical that they know exactly what fork you have, and whether you want 26 or 29, as you get a cart, and several other pieces, appropriate to the particular conversion you're attempting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerConvert
    So is the low speed compression adjustment new for 2011, or was this in the 2010 forks also? I have a 2010 Lefty Max PBR 140 for reference. Thanks!
    Hmm, I'll have to check on that. I know those forks were among the first to get the platform feature, and I can't recall if the LS compression tuning was involved then, or not.

    I had a bunch of info thrown at me this week

    Worth mentioning, the adjustment is within the cartridge damper shaft, and is accomplished via changing out a small check valve, with one possessing a larger or smaller hole. It is not user/externally adjusted. Ride it, get used to it, decide what you'd like, and get it retuned at service time. It starts in the middle, so one step either way, works for most folks needs.

    I'll get back tomorrow on the original question....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Nice! I'll be sending a leaky 2008 Lefty SL your way soon then!
    Me too!
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