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    F4 build

    I picked up a 2010 F4 to get back into riding. <a href="http://www.cannondale.com/usa/usaeng/Products/Bikes/Mountain/Hardtail/Details/1290-0FS4-F4/">Specs</a>
    Here it is, all stock.
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    Most of my riding is hardpack, so I changed the Nevagals to Small Block 8's. I will probably go with a Slant Six in the front when it gets wet. The stock stem was a little long so I went with a Thomson along with a Bontrager 40mm rise bar. After that was the Thomson seat post. Then I started buying XTR. 972 rear, 971 front, 970 shifters, 970 cranks.

    I'm at 12.25kg, 27lb's.
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    Here's a list of component weights. I will update as the build continues.


    Frame Trail SL, double butted, mechanically formed, 6061 alloy
    Fork RST Deuce 1.5 Air with rebound adjust and lock-out, 100mm travel
    Rims Maddux DC3.0, double wall with eyelet, disc specific
    Hubs Shimano M475 6 bolt, 32 hole
    Spokes Stainless steel, 15g
    Tires Kenda Nevegal, 26 x 2.1"

    456 Pedals VP Platform plastic
    359 Point 1

    1215 Crank Shimano M442 Octalink, 44/32/22 with BB
    770 Shimano XTR 970 cranks and BB

    279 Chain Shimano, 9-speed
    263 Yumeya

    RearCogs Shimano HG50 Deore, 11-32

    176 FrontDerailleur Shimano Deore
    148 Shimano XTR 971

    282 RearDerailleur Shimano Deore
    197 Shimano XTR 972

    281 Shifter Shimano Deore
    224 XTR 970

    317 Handlebar Cannondale C3, 650 x 20mm riser
    230 Bontrager X lite 40mm rise

    193 Stem Cannondale XC3 1.5"
    194 Thomson 45mm w/two 5mm shims

    Headset Tange Custom 1.5

    Brakes Tektro Auriga Comp Hydraulic Disc, 160/160mm

    BrakeLevers Tektro Auriga Comp w/custom lever

    Saddle Cannondale C3, ergonomic design

    406 Seatpost Cannondale C3, 31.6mm
    228 Thomson Elite

    49 Seat post clamp Cannondale
    29 Thomson

    72 Aluminum bottle cage
    33 Arundel Dave'o oil slick cage

    334 2 Tubes
    230 4 cups of stans, 2 stems, and yellow tape
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    I get these thorns all the time. They're part of my nightly ride. Here's a pic of three of them. You can also see two more imbeded into the tire to the left.
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    Here's some tech

    No more tubes or patches. I went with the Stans yellow tape instead of the rim strip. The 25mm tape fits perfect in the stock Maddux rim. Keep the seam between the spokes. There are two sizes of Stans stems. The Schrader base is too wide so I trimmed it off.
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    This is the video>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWbYG...eature=related
    I used the Stans instead of soap and water to seat the tube. Two cups of sealant, 110g. After about 5 minutes I only had a few bubbles around the bead. A half hour later they was done.
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    Look'n Good!!! I didn't care for the Maddux rims w/Shimano M475 hubs on my F4...a new wheel set was my first upgrade.

    I put them back on once to save some wear on my Schwalbe RR's during a mostly paved ride and the entire ride it felt as though I was dragging a refrigerator behind me...

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    The Stans conversion dropped half a pound and works perfectly. There is almost no pressure loss between rides. Excellent product. The day I bought the bike I replaced the pedals with Easton platforms. 572g. The Point 1 pedals are 359g. In addition I replaced the aluminum bottle cage and seat post clamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    Look'n Good!!! I didn't care for the Maddux rims w/Shimano M475 hubs on my F4...a new wheel set was my first upgrade.

    I put them back on once to save some wear on my Schwalbe RR's during a mostly paved ride and the entire ride it felt as though I was dragging a refrigerator behind me...

    I have to agree. Rotating weight should be one of the first considerations. Waiting on the wheelset saved me some coin. I picked up a new XTR 975 set for $530 shipped. 1525g. This wheelset, combined with the XTR 975 160mm rotor, fits perfectly with the Tektro calipers.
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    Luv the wheels!!! I recently swapped out the Tektro's for SLX's w/180mm both front and back. I now have a renewed confidence in my riding abilities. The Tektro's just weren't cutting it on the downhill's here in Germany...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    Luv the wheels!!! I recently swapped out the Tektro's for SLX's w/180mm both front and back. I now have a renewed confidence in my riding abilities. The Tektro's just weren't cutting it on the downhill's here in Germany...
    I have the front brake (post mount) and I'm trying to figure out the rear. Can I use a Shimano IS caliper and retain the 160 rotor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon 66
    I have the front brake (post mount) and I'm trying to figure out the rear. Can I use a Shimano IS caliper and retain the 160 rotor?
    I went to my LBS who's a C'dale dealer and he gave the brackets...everything bolted right up. I'll post some pic's after I take a few of the new setup...

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    I have been looking at an F4 too.

    What sizes did you guys get and what is your height / inseam?

    I tested a large and I felt comfortable with it as oppose to a medium and i am only a 5-7 with about a 28" inseam.

    I felt crowded with a Medium and if I would to put my legs on the pedals and at the top arch, my knee will touch the handle bar if i turn the bar by 15-20 degrees,

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    I have been looking at an F4 too.

    What sizes did you guys get and what is your height / inseam?

    I tested a large and I felt comfortable with it as oppose to a medium and i am only a 5-7 with about a 28" inseam.

    I felt crowded with a Medium and if I would to put my legs on the pedals and at the top arch, my knee will touch the handle bar if i turn the bar by 15-20 degrees,

    I have a 32" inseam, the XL fits me perfect...the L felt to small...

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    Any idea why you went with a white as opposed to a grey?

    I am undecided. I have seen the grey in store and it looks sharp

    White, it looks good too but have not seen it in person

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    Here's my build...
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    OP, how much dose your ride wiegh with the XTR wheels...just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    I have been looking at an F4 too.

    What sizes did you guys get and what is your height / inseam?

    I tested a large and I felt comfortable with it as oppose to a medium and i am only a 5-7 with about a 28" inseam.

    I felt crowded with a Medium and if I would to put my legs on the pedals and at the top arch, my knee will touch the handle bar if i turn the bar by 15-20 degrees,

    Medium 31" inseam. It's all about preference. The Thomson stem is a little short for me. (45mm 0deg rise) When I change the fork I'll change to a 1 1/8 stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    Any idea why you went with a white as opposed to a grey?

    I am undecided. I have seen the grey in store and it looks sharp

    White, it looks good too but have not seen it in person

    I would get the grey and post some pics here. I've never seen one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    OP, how much dose your ride wiegh with the XTR wheels...just curious...
    24-5 11.02kg Took off (29 oz. 826g). 63 cents a gram. Not bad for such a huge drop. I bought the wheels, rear derailer, and shifters from yourbestbikezone on ebay. Shipped next day and I have it in 3 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon 66
    24-5 11.02kg Took off (29 oz. 826g). 63 cents a gram. Not bad for such a huge drop. I bought the wheels, rear derailer, and shifters from yourbestbikezone on ebay. Shipped next day and I have it in 3 days.

    Mine is weighing in at 27-7 with heavy wheels but I need 'em cause I'm a Clyde. I just couldn't see dishing out the cash for XTR's when I would just destroy them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon 66
    Medium 31" inseam. It's all about preference. The Thomson stem is a little short for me. (45mm 0deg rise) When I change the fork I'll change to a 1 1/8 stem.

    Have you looked into fork options??? I was thinking 'bout going with a tapered sheerer...I think a Lefty would be kewl as well...

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    I got the rest of my parts in. XTR brakes and cassette. I'm at 23lb12oz, 10.8k.

    That's all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon 66
    I would get the grey and post some pics here. I've never seen one.
    In fact i just placed my order. Picking it up on Sat

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    In fact i just placed my order. Picking it up on Sat

    They only had the white one when I bought mine or else I would have thought about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    They only had the white one when I bought mine or else I would have thought about it...
    Yeah, the LBS had it grey only. i was going to order it online in white.
    Although i was paying slighlty more plus tax, i think the lifetime adjustment was worth it.

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    Have any of you guys had trouble with sand getting in the lower bearings of the Headset??? I asked my LBS (C'dale dealer) for a sealed bearing setup but they didn't have one and told me to load it up with grease to keep the sand from getting to the bearings....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    Have any of you guys had trouble with sand getting in the lower bearings of the Headset??? I asked my LBS (C'dale dealer) for a sealed bearing setup but they didn't have one and told me to load it up with grease to keep the sand from getting to the bearings....
    Nope. Been on a few trails from sandy trails to dry rocky creeks and i have not had the issue. Are you?

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    Took her out today for her first snow ride...what a blast!!!

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    Looks like fun. Took mine out for a ride today but it was all muddy

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    Here's one of the trail I was on:

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    Well, my RST Fork finally broke today while it's still ride-able I no longer have the lock out. This might be self inflicted when making an adjustment in the cold I heard a slight crack and after my ride I found the following:

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    This is the first failure I have had or heard of with the RST "Deuce". Gonna take it to the LBS (C'dale dealer) and have them take a good look and hope the warranty will cover it...more to come...

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    Might be a good idea to go LEFTY

    or RockShox

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    Might be a good idea to go LEFTY

    or RockShox

    You're talking about $1K, if I can get this fixed/replaced under warranty and ride for another season I'll be happy...

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    I think you easily put in 1.5k in your new bike, what is another $1k

    I feel your pain man and I would go the warranty route if i was you too.

    You were adjusting the lockout on the top right? Not the rebound at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    I think you easily put in 1.5k in your new bike, what is another $1k

    I feel your pain man and I would go the warranty route if i was you too.

    You were adjusting the lockout on the top right? Not the rebound at the bottom.

    I was adjusting the bottom right and the shaft broke which in turn disabled the lock out. In colder temps you wanna make sure you have your fork set for faster rebound because the oil is thicker.

    I took the bike to my LBS and they said they'd ship the fork to RST and should have the issue resolved within two weeks...more to come...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    I was adjusting the bottom right and the shaft broke which in turn disabled the lock out. In colder temps you wanna make sure you have your fork set for faster rebound because the oil is thicker.

    I took the bike to my LBS and they said they'd ship the fork to RST and should have the issue resolved within two weeks...more to come...
    That is good to know. if ur in US and need some shocks

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...uct=58141&cat=

    I think the price is pretty good. $240 forks for $170

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    That is good to know. if ur in US and need some shocks

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...uct=58141&cat=

    I think the price is pretty good. $240 forks for $170

    Yah, but none of those have a 1.5 steer tube...I did see a tapered one though...

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    Zenkem, got your fork fixed?

    I am thinking of going tubeless.
    All I need is
    2 stems, and yellow tape
    The sealant, people are saying to go non-ammonia sealant

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    Quote Originally Posted by skewe
    Zenkem, got your fork fixed?

    I am thinking of going tubeless.
    All I need is
    2 stems, and yellow tape
    The sealant, people are saying to go non-ammonia sealant

    Nope not yet, the Holidays have got everything screwed up with shipping and all. My LBS got the fork back which I think is a new replacement because they said RST forgot to send them the star washer (don't know proper term) for the steer tube. They said I should have the bike back this week.

    I don't think you can go wrong if you go with Tubeless products...

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    Just picked one up today, excited to see how it rides

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    All it needs now is a new fork. Wonderful build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedman44
    Just picked one up today, excited to see how it rides

    You won't be disappointed!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkem
    I don't think you can go wrong if you go with Tubeless products...
    Might go tubeless on the front first

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    Well I finally got my F4 back from the LBS with a new RST fork and I feel like a kid with a new toy. I had to pay 30€ ($40) for Shipping and Labor but hay, now I'm good for at least another season.

    MFG recommends getting your fork rebuilt at least once a year so I guess the next one is on my dime. All said and done I think the RST Deuce is a awesome fork. I've put well over 1000 miles on this bike last year and was still riding it after it broke. I would put it up against any 100mm fork and I'm sure it would match up just fine...just my 2€ worth...

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    glad to hear.. my lbs have lifetime service, so i think i would hv gotten it free

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    @ Zenkem,

    Guess what, my RST also failed. Regular ridding at a state park. Up hill and downhill. It is under warranty and I am not sure if i should upgrade

    http://forums.mtbr.com/cannondale/cannondale-f4-2010-fork-out-commission-warranty-upgrade-710380.html#post8065416

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