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    F29 2 Questions

    I'm in the market for a new ride. Looking for something Light & Fast that can handle the tight, twisty & tech trails here in RI. I weighed the F29 2 at my shop = 24.8lbs without pedals, so this fits the bill as weight goes (my current AM bike weight 32lbs+). My shop does not have a demo, and reviews are slim on-line, who here can elaborate on the handling of the bike and new lefty performance? I'm really wondering if it can hold its own in the corners, as I have ridden other 29r's that felt like a dump truck when the trail gets tight. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

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    Demo some 29 inch hardtails first.

    I have a F carbon 3 and love it. I think the Flashes are some of the best hardtails on the market, but you may not like the performance in the terrain you are describing. No 29er is going to carve the corners like a 26 inch wheel. Honestly its not the bike I would choose for riding tight twisty technical trails, but everyones definition of tight twisty and techy is different. I think you need to demo some 29 inch hardtails before you decide to purchase. Its very different from what your riding now.

    Also I would consider trying to stretch your budget to a carbon frame. If you end up loving the flash it won't be long before you are wanting to see how much lighter and faster you can make it, and the carbon frame gives you a good platform for upgrades.
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    Check for reviews of the Flash 29er. They're the same frame as the 2013 F29, they just dropped four letters and a space in the name for some reason but it's the same excellent frames that were designed to race so I don't think they can be compared to dump trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
    Check for reviews of the Flash 29er. They're the same frame as the 2013 F29, they just dropped four letters and a space in the name for some reason but it's the same excellent frames that were designed to race so I don't think they can be compared to dump trucks.
    Thanks guys.
    I will check the reviews on the Flash.
    I know I will certianly give up something when it comes to cornering (compared to 26") I realize not all 29r's are created equally when it comes to this. Thus my reaching out to the cannondale experts... My background has been mostly FR/DH but as I get older XC has been more my game lately. This past summer I have been riding a 32lb single speed about 90% of the time. I enjoy the challenge. This is why I believe a light race oriented 29r would better suite my needs of hauling ass and not lose too much time in the corners. I have lost the loving feeling of lugging nearly 6" travel bike around for XC, (& i have a few of them...) so I thought it was about time to switch to the other end of the spectrum.

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    Cornering has more to do with geometry than wheel size and the error some 29er bikes have is that their geometry have just been based on 26" geometries. Good 29ers are designed around the the bigger wheels to get the most out of them but minimize their disadvantages. If you only drop the BB and put a shorter headtube, sure you can get the same position as on a 26" bike but the angles, especially the head angle, and the overall length of the bike (some 29ers have longer wheelbases compared to similarly sized 26" bikes) can play a big role in the bike's feel, quickness and fast change of direction. The F29/Flash were design to be as racy and quick as can be so the geometry was really designed to be 29er specific.

    A well designed 29er also gets the benefit of the larger tire contact patch while cornering, more rubber grips better, lower tire pressure grips better, that's good for cornering on a mountain bike as everyone knows. The only thing where smaller wheels are better is everything weight related, lighter wheels are a bit easier to haul uphill, they accelerate a bit faster out of corners and make it easier to throw the bike into sharp corners... but 29ers wheels and tires are getting closer to the weight of 26" counterparts, we're far from when there was only 2 wheelsets and 3 tire models available for 29ers so some would argue the weight penalty isn't much of a factor, even less when you factor in the added grip and the ease of rolling over trail surface irregularities.

    But whatever wheel size you'd go with for a light hardtail, you'll definitly find it different compared to a 32lbs SS!

    Crap, I just convinced myself, I need a F29!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
    Cornering has more to do with geometry than wheel size and the error some 29er bikes have is that their geometry have just been based on 26" geometries. Good 29ers are designed around the the bigger wheels to get the most out of them but minimize their disadvantages. If you only drop the BB and put a shorter headtube, sure you can get the same position as on a 26" bike but the angles, especially the head angle, and the overall length of the bike (some 29ers have longer wheelbases compared to similarly sized 26" bikes) can play a big role in the bike's feel, quickness and fast change of direction. The F29/Flash were design to be as racy and quick as can be so the geometry was really designed to be 29er specific.

    A well designed 29er also gets the benefit of the larger tire contact patch while cornering, more rubber grips better, lower tire pressure grips better, that's good for cornering on a mountain bike as everyone knows. The only thing where smaller wheels are better is everything weight related, lighter wheels are a bit easier to haul uphill, they accelerate a bit faster out of corners and make it easier to throw the bike into sharp corners... but 29ers wheels and tires are getting closer to the weight of 26" counterparts, we're far from when there was only 2 wheelsets and 3 tire models available for 29ers so some would argue the weight penalty isn't much of a factor, even less when you factor in the added grip and the ease of rolling over trail surface irregularities.

    But whatever wheel size you'd go with for a light hardtail, you'll definitly find it different compared to a 32lbs SS!

    Crap, I just convinced myself, I need a F29!
    You make a good salesman!
    I have been sold on 29" wheels for some time now. I recently demo'd a (rather not say) Big name in the biz, and it was about 28lbs 4" full suspension 29r, that was great everywhere but the tight corners. It was unbelievable how much a 26" rider would pull away from me after a tight corner. No matter how I wrestled that thing. The front end push was a deal breaker! That is my fear of buying a bike I have not been able to try, only to find out it has some bad manners where it counts...

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    Well of course, trying one would be the best, no matter what we say, it can't replace trying it for yourself. But was that 28lbs 4" 29er FS compared with a 28lbs 4" FS 26er? Remember that a 20lbs 26" hardtail would clearly accelerate out of corners much quicker than a 28lbs 4" FS 26er too... And maybe that particular bike you tried was just not designed to be a twisty trail eater! Or it was just a bad bike!

    And while your shop might not have a demo, they might be able to get one from the Cannondale rep. The rep here had a Flash 29er 1 that could be tried...

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    The 26" that pulled away in the corners was a (+/- 33lb) DJ hard tail!! Piloted by someone with very similar fitness as myself. I was able to reel him in everywhere else on the trail. By the 11 mile mark he was wiped trying to keep my pace, and I felt like I needed to do another lap...
    Prior to this I was 29r curious, after this, I was a believer.
    I would not say it was a bad bike I was on, just not up to the task for fast tight corners. I have heard 1st hand reviews saying the same thing about this 'proprietary' bike geometry.
    I will push my dealer for a Demo... Thanks!

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    Demo Demo Demo

    I gotta disagree with DG on a few points. Keep in mind I am comparing a 25 lb 26 inch wheel FS bikes (Epic Racer X) to a 23 lb Flash 29. I am comparing the whole bikes which is more then just wheel size. Never had the change to ride 26 and 29 inch versions of the same bike back to back.

    1. 26 inch wheels are an advantage on the climb.

    The 29 inch bike to me feels a little faster climbing. Maybe more then a little. The F29 is a climbing machine.

    2. The only downside to 29 is the weight.

    The bigger wheels for me just feel harder to get around tight turns. It take alot more effort and I feel like I slow down more coming into the turn because 29 just does not turn as tight. I would not call a f29 a tank in the corners but its definatly harder to manuver then a 26 inch hafrdtail.

    My feeling is the 29 inch wheels climb better, and are most at home on smooth wide open high speed trails. In tight low speed rocky rooty areas the more nimble 26 inch wheel feels better to me. I agree however that compared to a 32 lb ss any Flash will feel like a rocket
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    29er wheels will definitely require more power to crank up-hill using same gear ratio as a 26er...
    I'd say probably 2 teeth rear cog difference in order to achieve same level of power.

    Anyway, how come your SS s 32 lbs ???
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    Its a Mountain Cycle Rumble that is built like a tank. Its my do everything ride. Really digging SS these days, but the weight is killing me.. hhhmmm F29 SS???

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    For SS, Check out the 2012 Hydro Alum. Niner One 9.
    Amazing geometry and it is soooo light...
    Pair it with SID Fork, Schwalbe RaRa's tubeless /Stan's Crest wheels and you have a race-worthy sub 23lbs bike.

    For geared bike - Niner Air and of-course the amazing Flash/F29
    OR the Scalple 29...

    I have all of the above, love them all...
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    I have been looking @ Niners, but its more than I can spend right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MC9.5 View Post
    I have been looking @ Niners, but its more than I can spend right now...
    You can get a used one , nicely equipped at FleeBay at less than 2k.
    This one seems sweet - specc'ed very close to mine (albeit sold)

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    I put money down on the F29 tonight. Hopefully I will have it before it snows... The parking lot test was great!

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    Did a parking lot test on a 2013 F29-2. I thought it to be nimble as compared to my Trek EX8. I agree about some 29ers feeling like a dump truck. LBS is supposed to get some demo bikes in, can wait to take one on the trails. Loved the lefty. I only wonder if the $300 would be wisly spent on getting the F29-1? I really dig the green and black though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stygz1 View Post
    I only wonder if the $300 would be wisly spent on getting the F29-1? I really dig the green and black though.
    I checked the specs and it seems the major differences are the (29-2) being a Shimano drivetrain and Formula brakes and (29-1) having Sram and Avid brakes. The (29-1) is a double 2x10 crank vs the Shimano triple. For me it would be worth going with the F29-1 for the double front for a bit less weight and definitely a lot less chain slap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    I checked the specs and it seems the major differences are the (29-2) being a Shimano drivetrain and Formula brakes and (29-1) having Sram and Avid brakes. The (29-1) is a double 2x10 crank vs the Shimano triple. For me it would be worth going with the F29-1 for the double front for a bit less weight and definitely a lot less chain slap.
    The extra cash for the F29-1 and the fact my shop did not have one were major players in my decision. I really dig the black & green of the F29-2. Although I would have preferred the Sram 2 ring dirvetrain as this will be my 1st shimano equipped bike in 10yrs. It does however have the rear mech with the anti chainslap clutch! I probably will upgrage the cranks when time for new rings... Carbon bar & tubeless will be the 1st upgrades. It would be nice to eventually shave a pound off the bike. Having being opposed to anything Shimano for a long time (for various reasons) and never had a bike that weighed under 30lbs, this will be all new to me. I look forward to the change in scenery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by stygz1 View Post
    Did a parking lot test on a 2013 F29-2. I thought it to be nimble as compared to my Trek EX8. I agree about some 29ers feeling like a dump truck. LBS is supposed to get some demo bikes in, can wait to take one on the trails. Loved the lefty. I only wonder if the $300 would be wisly spent on getting the F29-1? I really dig the green and black though.
    Suprisingly nimble I thought, even if it were only in the lot. Lefty felt nice. Cannot wait to thrash it!

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    I was also thinking of the tires being better on the F29-1. I think they are tubeless ready. The brakes are Magura on the 29-2. Also you get better rear hub.But yea the green and black is hard to pass up....it is better looking in person. As far as comparing it to my EX8 for being nimble It was not more nimble than the EX8 but it had a feel closer to a 26" than any 29er I have ridden. Funny you mention not having shimano....I have never had sram. I swore the 29-2 I rode had SLX shifters but specs show it being deore. I would be interested in spending a day with sram gear.Many people around here are fans of SRAM. I really like the clutch concept on the XT rd. I wish my 2011 EX8 had it. I think you will get almost a pound off by going tubeless. How does WTB do tubeless? Rim tape? I just know how Bontrager does it...just a rim strip and new presta valve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stygz1 View Post
    How does WTB do tubeless? Rim tape? I just know how Bontrager does it...just a rim strip and new presta valve.
    Yes, you would need rim tape & valve according to the WTB site. I agree, the tires on the 2 look to be good for going fast in a str8 line but thats it... The front tire will not last long, I can tell.

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    So I got the bike home today and its in my garage on the stand awaiting its 1st ride tomorrow. This should be interesting as the ride will be a 6 mile NIGHT RACE held by my local shop. I rode the coarse yesterday and timed it on my 32lb Single Speed. I cannot wait to compare times. Wish me luck!

    Here it is in all its glory (reflectors/plastic pedals and all) after picking it up @ lunch time today. Just got done getting rid of the junk and tuning it up. Ready to go!

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    Pic not available. I'm really curious on your times as well. Just ordered a f29 carbon 3, coming from a 2008 28 lb singlespeed 29er.

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    picture fixed. I will post my time difference (if any!).

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    Read this about tyres as you need to know how to use the right ones :-


    http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...ron-whats-best

    Next topic Nic on Front & Ralph on rear

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