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    Cannondale Scalpel 2011 Frame broken 3 times in 3 months!!!

    Hi All
    I have a Cannondale 2011 Scalpel. The frame has snapped three times since Dec 2010.
    The break occurs at the base of the seat stay on the disc brake side and has broken on same ride, at same place on ride, every month since December 2010. Cannonodale have been brilliant and have replaced the frame each time but I am worried this will happen on a stage race.No one can explain?? is there anyone out there with same issue?? Or can anyone advise? No pics as frame is once again with Cannondale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123
    Hi All
    I have a Cannondale 2011 Scalpel. The frame has snapped three times since Dec 2010.
    The break occurs at the base of the seat stay on the disc brake side and has broken on same ride, at same place on ride, every month since December 2010. Cannonodale have been brilliant and have replaced the frame each time but I am worried this will happen on a stage race.No one can explain?? is there anyone out there with same issue?? Or can anyone advise? No pics as frame is once again with Cannondale.
    My honest advice is to re-sell the unridden warranty replacement frame when it arrives, and buy someting else. Out of all the things you have to worry about in the middle of a stage race, a seat stay failure should not be one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    My honest advice is to re-sell the unridden warranty replacement frame when it arrives, and buy someting else. Out of all the things you have to worry about in the middle of a stage race, a seat stay failure should not be one of them.
    That is good advice.

    We jokingly call them "cracknfail"

    What is your weight and riding style? Maybe a rize would be a better choice for you?

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    Same ******** message in three different topics... The only three messages dgr123 ever posted.

    I don't believe it for one second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacke
    Same ******** message in three different topics... The only three messages dgr123 ever posted.

    I don't believe it for one second.

    Hummm, that irks me. If you don't like Cdale, don't buy it. You dont have to make stuff up.
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    His profile stated he's into "All Mountain" type of riding... That's a wrong bike at the first place.

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    given the availability issues, does anyone seriously believe that he's been able to get 3 replacement frames in 3 months?!?!?! i know multiple people who have been waiting 9 months for the full bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal
    given the availability issues, does anyone seriously believe that he's been able to get 3 replacement frames in 3 months?!?!?! i know multiple people who have been waiting 9 months for the full bike!
    Yeah, he's full of $hit....probably some 12 year old kid that's bored and just discovered this forum......
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal
    .... does anyone seriously believe that he's been able to get 3 replacement frames in 3 months?!?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal
    given the availability issues, does anyone seriously believe that he's been able to get 3 replacement frames in 3 months?!?!?! i know multiple people who have been waiting 9 months for the full bike!
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    Hi Guys


    This is not a made up story and am Im only trying to gather info on wether this has happend to other 2011 Scalpel ULT owners.

    The break occurs when negotiating a tight 90 deg. bend with a small dropp off of about 300mm , im on the back brakes to slow down and the frame snaps in the same place each time.
    .Im a 38 year old mature rider with a weight of 83 kg and have been assured by Can. that they will carry on replacing frames .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123
    Hi Guys


    This is not a made up story and am Im only trying to gather info on wether this has happend to other 2011 Scalpel ULT owners.

    The break occurs when negotiating a tight 90 deg. bend with a small dropp off of about 300mm , im on the back brakes to slow down and the frame snaps in the same place each time.
    .Im a 38 year old mature rider with a weight of 83 kg and have been assured by Can. that they will carry on replacing frames .
    That is the first time I have ever seen someone reference a drop by MM.....
    Regardless 1 foot drops are already too much for a frame that's not built to leave the ground. You would be best to keep this bike firm on the ground and you won't break anything on your 2010 scalpel that you got in 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123
    Hi Guys


    This is not a made up story and am Im only trying to gather info on wether this has happend to other 2011 Scalpel ULT owners.

    The break occurs when negotiating a tight 90 deg. bend with a small dropp off of about 300mm , im on the back brakes to slow down and the frame snaps in the same place each time.
    .Im a 38 year old mature rider with a weight of 83 kg and have been assured by Can. that they will carry on replacing frames .
    That's almost like placing your bike on a ledge, and letting someone about 20kg lighter than you jump from 300mm on the seat stays.

    Of course it depends on how you absorb the shock with your legs, but if you snap it in the same place more than once... maybe it would have been wise to take it easy the next time.

    The Scalpel is just about the lightest full suspension frame, and even the manual recognizes that it has been achieved at a certain price, hence not recommending vertical drops of more than 600mm... and that is a straight drop without any vertical forces included!

    A mountain bike will be able to take a lot of horizontal abuse, but your description of the incident is a totally different scenario.

    1. 83kg + Equipment is indeed a grown mans weight, and at that weight, a lot of lightweight components would not even be covered by the guarantee.

    2. Vertical forces from the sideways drop.

    3. Additional force from a locked out rear wheel that will create a forward push on the seat stays when the wheel lands.

    No offense, but to me it sounds like more or less self inflicted trouble, not taking into consideration the intended use, just like 2clue already mentioned.

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    Hey 2clue,
    you probably meant his 2011 that he got in 2010....
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    DGR123,
    I too have a 2011 scalpel and weigh 90kg so far no problems, can you please post some pictures of the broken frames so we can see exactly were this is happening? failling this can you take a picture of your unbroken frame pointing at the problem area as i don't quite understand where yours are breaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304
    Did the seatstay seperate completely from the drop out?

    Is it a carbon fibre or aluminium 2011 Scalpel?

    How much do you weigh?

    What were the particular circumstances on the ride that caused it to break three times each time you rode there? Jumps?

    The drop outs on the 2011 Scalpel do look quite fragile. They're very thin and appear to be tubes bonded together. When you look at it in pictures you can see that the seat stay tube is quite distinct from the drop out. There's going to be a lot of force exerted on this dropout by the pivotless suspension flexing the seat stays and chain stays when the suspension compresses.

    If that was my bike and the frame kept snapping it would be gone. Once could be bad luck, twice is unfortunate but three times is a clear signal that either the frame design or construction method is flawed, or you require a more durable bike for the terrain you ride.

    Pictured below: a close up of the 2011 Cannondale Scalpel Ultimate drop outs. You can see how it could possibly seperate along the seatstay/ dropout line.
    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123
    Hi Guys

    This is not a made up story and am Im only trying to gather info on wether this has happend to other 2011 Scalpel ULT owners.

    The break occurs when negotiating a tight 90 deg. bend with a small dropp off of about 300mm , im on the back brakes to slow down and the frame snaps in the same place each time.
    .Im a 38 year old mature rider with a weight of 83 kg and have been assured by Can. that they will carry on replacing frames .
    This thread is a duplicate of the one started in the Weight Weenies forum.

    Cannondale Scalpel 2011 Frame broken 3 times in 3 months!!!

    This post by dgr123 answers some of the questions.

    - The bike is a 2011 Cannondale Scalpel Ultimate

    - Rider Weight is 83kg + riding gear (187lbs+ approx)

    - The situation where the frame breaks is landing from a 30cm drop off whilst turning sharply downhill (right turn?) and simultaneously braking hard at the same time.

    You can see why the seat stay might break in those cirumstances. There's presumably a large amount of both horizontal and vertical force on the drop out at the same time.
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    DGR123 forgot to say, if you don't want your replacement frame I would be interested in buying it!!!

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    The Weight Weenies version of this thread:

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...hp?f=1&t=83472



    "I've seen a different bike break there. Its due to disc brake forces and the combined suspension force (since there is no pivot there).

    I will bet that it is cracking when you are braking then hit a sizable bump."
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    "I've seen this one time with a 2009/2010 Ultimate frame. There was no apparent impact...not sure what the cause was. Cannondale was good about replacing the frame. I just ordered my 2011 Scalpel; hopefully, if I have this issue, Cannondale will continue to be good about frame replacement." ckyle

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    i'll say it again. cannondale have massive availability issues with the new scalpel.

    1. he got his scalpel in dec - plausible.
    2. he has broken it three times - also plausible. none of us have anything to refute... except;
    3. he says that in the past three months it has been replaced three times. what a load of absolute horse sh1t. i know people who have broken a super six and have had to wait 12 months for a replacement. i know people who are STILL waiting for an ordered scalpel for over 9 months. there is no farkin way this guy has received 3 replacement frames in 3 months. what drugs are you people on to give credence to this muppet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304
    The Weight Weenies version of this thread:

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...hp?f=1&t=83472



    "I've seen a different bike break there. Its due to disc brake forces and the combined suspension force (since there is no pivot there).

    I will bet that it is cracking when you are braking then hit a sizable bump."
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    "I've seen this one time with a 2009/2010 Ultimate frame. There was no apparent impact...not sure what the cause was. Cannondale was good about replacing the frame. I just ordered my 2011 Scalpel; hopefully, if I have this issue, Cannondale will continue to be good about frame replacement." ckyle


    The one I saw happened 2 weeks ago. It was the right seat stay, about half way up it. The crack was not a complete separation of the two halves. It looked like the top layer of carbon was splintering or fraying right at the crack. The bike still rode fine.

    Cannondale shipped the replacement frame yesterday, I think. That's timely service to me; but, this all is about timing.

    I do agree that it seem unlikely that three frames were replaced within 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal
    i'll say it again. cannondale have massive availability issues with the new scalpel.
    i know people who are STILL waiting for an ordered scalpel for over 9 months.
    That's crazy to have to wait like that. I (and the guy who ordered the warranty frame) really lucked out with the timing, I guess.

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    I don't believe this guy either, there is no way he would have received that many frames in this short of time. You have shipping time, bike shop time, cannondale time for each frame.

    If he received the bike December 1st and broke it the same day I still don't see how he has received so many frames. They pushed my jekyll the entire month of January and people are still screaming for bikes.

    Did my jekyll spend the entire month of january in south africa with the rest of the stockpile of Cannondale Frames.
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    No one cottoned on to my subtle attempt for dgr123 to post some pictures of "his" bike to prove he actually has one. If dgr123 is telling the truth he should be really keen to post a picture of his bike to put all of those who don't believe him to shame.

    Please dgr123 just post us a picture of your bike (new replacment or broken one) so we can take your claims seriously. If this does not happen not many people on this forum will take your claims seriously. Sorry if this sounds arsey. Here are a couple of smileys to soften my rant.

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    drg123:
    What is your bike shop?
    Where are you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by c_kyle
    The one I saw happened 2 weeks ago. It was the right seat stay, about half way up it. The crack was not a complete separation of the two halves. It looked like the top layer of carbon was splintering or fraying right at the crack. The bike still rode fine.

    Cannondale shipped the replacement frame yesterday, I think. That's timely service to me; but, this all is about timing.

    I do agree that it seem unlikely that three frames were replaced within 3 months.
    Thanks for clearing that up.

    That failure sounds very different to the ones that drg123 is describing. If his frames have actually broken three times then it would be interesting to see some pictures of another Cannondale Scalpel frame that has broken in exactly the same way to try and understand how it happened. Would it be the carbon fibre frame tubing or the bonding between tubing and drop out that could fail?

    Having to wait a long time for warranty parts is really frustrating.

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    Geez - it took me nearly a year and a half to break three Scalpels, after which C'dale banned me from the model (after speaking with the rep, the guy at my LBS told me, "They said you can have any mountain frame except Scalpel.").

    I wasn't sure if the rep was being facetious or not, but didn't look into it because although I really, really loved the Scalpel, it was not reliable enough for me (I weigh 170, 5'10" tall, and ride XC - no drops taken on the Scalpel). My RZ140 is holding up just fine, and since it can take it, I ride it a lot rougher than I ever did the Scalpel.

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    I really don't believe this is the 2011 Scalpel...however I must say it's possible as we all have no evidence what so ever that they aren't.

    There is something wrong with this though....from what I have notice, if you break the same frame more then 2-3 times in a short period Cannondale seems to offer you an option to "upgrade" to a beefier frame..

    Might be a good idea to take that RZ120..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof
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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304
    Thanks for clearing that up.

    That failure sounds very different to the ones that drg123 is describing. If his frames have actually broken three times then it would be interesting to see some pictures of another Cannondale Scalpel frame that has broken in exactly the same way to try and understand how it happened. Would it be the carbon fibre frame tubing or the bonding between tubing and drop out that could fail?

    Having to wait a long time for warranty parts is really frustrating.
    I think I first replied on WW, before he actually described the break. He just said it was a seat stay.

    Also, if it is indeed a 2011, the dropouts are not lugged (couldn't think of a better word) like the 2010's. The carbon is bonded to and wrapped around the aluminum parts, right?

    There are several good pictures at BikeRumor:
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/06/22/...c-race-rocket/

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    I'll trade my Prophet frame and a Lefty Max for the next warranty replacement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_kyle
    I think I first replied on WW, before he actually described the break. He just said it was a seat stay.

    Also, if it is indeed a 2011, the dropouts are not lugged (couldn't think of a better word) like the 2010's. The carbon is bonded to and wrapped around the aluminum parts, right?

    There are several good pictures at BikeRumor:
    http://www.bikerumor.com/2010/06/22/...c-race-rocket/
    I'm not criticising you.

    If there were examples of other people's Cannondale Scalpel seat stays also breaking at the "base of the seat stay on the disc brake side" then it would support the validity of the original post. Without seeing the broken frames it's very hard to prove or disprove whether it's true or not.

    It's also hard to know whether getting three warranty frames in three months could realistically happen. The OP lives in South Africa (according to their profile) so the local circumstances may be different to other regions where demand for mountain bikes is higher. There could just have been a shipment of bikes to South Africa meaning that there were actually plenty of warranty frames in stock in that particular country?

    Pictured below: 2011 Cannondale Scalpel dropout (Bikerumor article)
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    if you putt some photos it will be ok ,these are so many frames to broke in a short of time ?very strange...

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    This thread is line a train wreck! Though I knew it was bad, I kept looking. I was hoping it would get better. Total carnage!! I wish could go back in time and spend the three minutes doing nothing. Lets all just ban together and promise to not post anymore info here. This dude couldn't even post a picture of anything. I'd settle for him posting a picture of anything that didn't say specialized on it!! Once again, I beg you all, please no more posts on this topic, it's total horse pucky. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

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    horse pucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkincake
    horse pucky.
    Big time "horse pucky"
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    I have a 2011 Cannondale Scalpel 1 for sale on MTBR. The bike is new and has never been used not even a test ride.

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    Very good choice of thread to sell a bike


    You sure have posted a Lot !!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    I'll trade my Prophet frame and a Lefty Max for the next warranty replacement...
    I wouldnt do that-bigger is better in his case

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123 View Post
    Hi All
    I have a Cannondale 2011 Scalpel. The frame has snapped three times since Dec 2010.
    The break occurs at the base of the seat stay on the disc brake side and has broken on same ride, at same place on ride, every month since December 2010. Cannonodale have been brilliant and have replaced the frame each time but I am worried this will happen on a stage race.No one can explain?? is there anyone out there with same issue?? Or can anyone advise? No pics as frame is once again with Cannondale.
    I believe you, i had a 2011 Jekyll carbon, and after 15 days riding the chain stay got broke, i was very sad because the bike was amazing, but $5.500 for a bike than can be broken going up over a technical singletrack is not very good experience, i decided to return the bike, cannondale send the spare part for warranty, but the new owner fall down when he could not release his pedal and hit the seat stay against a rock and the frame got broke again.
    I think manufacturers should consider making stronger carbon frames insted to try to make the lightest bikes, because at the end of the day, it doesn´t matter how light is your bike if you can´t ride it because is broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123 View Post
    No pics as frame is once again with Cannondale.
    Three busted frames, and not a single pic of ANY of them?

    That seems very odd . . . to say the least.
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    Well, all I can say living here in South Africa Scalpels are few and far between in the shops so maybe there is a hidden supply I am unaware of. If this is genuine maybe the OP can give the name of the person he or the lbs was dealing with at the distributor. I do know him and can follow up if required.
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    gotta love when people respond to topics more than a year old like they were posted yesterday....


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    Get an RZ 140, you are Am riding ob ab XC bike - thats the problem. You are using a Ferrari to do the job of a Hummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    gotta love when people respond to topics more than a year old like they were posted yesterday....

    Only realised now the thread is so old
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    Someone delete this thread...
    and no, I am not missing the other half of my fork....

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    Snap!

    Quote Originally Posted by dgr123 View Post
    Hi Guys


    This is not a made up story and am Im only trying to gather info on wether this has happend to other 2011 Scalpel ULT owners.

    The break occurs when negotiating a tight 90 deg. bend with a small dropp off of about 300mm , im on the back brakes to slow down and the frame snaps in the same place each time.
    .Im a 38 year old mature rider with a weight of 83 kg and have been assured by Can. that they will carry on replacing frames .
    mine done exactly the same! Same place, tricky drop on the brakes...crack

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    IMHO the user has posted twice in two years, he might have had a problem… It´s not like he/she is thrashing every brand except the one owned.

    Now having said as much, You spent time to find a three year old post, a simple picture would really help. In fact, in the previous 48 posts of this thread, there is NOT a single picture of the scalpel´s broken frame. (I don´t count the bike rumor article, as it was not posted in this forum, it was copied from... bike rumor!)

    If you have broken your scalpel, post a picture, no post 5 pictures, we ALL want to see what has happened to other people, it´s like watching NASCAR, your just waiting for it to happen!

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