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    Cannondale Prophet and Ventana Pantera

    Judge yourself.

    http://www.mtnhighcyclery.com/Pantera.htm

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    looks like someone copied a Gemini Design...thats what the Prophet was based off of...

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    And remember that the front triangle design has been featured on old Cannondale Super Vs and Flying Vs a long long time ago. The rear end is a very basic, common type of suspension design, a single pivot that compresses a shock. My old Pro-Flex was basically the same rear-end design when you think about it, it was a 1990 model. So, who's copying who? Just get the bike you like best.

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    Typical Cannondale. Same old cookie-cutter bikes year after year. No creativity. No innovation. If it were not for the stickers, you wouldn’t know them from any other generic mass produced rig.

    Here’s an original thought for Cannondale: TRY SOMETHING NEW THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS DONE (for a change).

    They wouldn’t know an original idea if it jumped up and bit them on the rear.

    Ventana shouldn’t be too concerned because Cannondale obviously screwed up on the lower pivot location and the upper shock pivot location. Those boneheads can’t even get it right when they copy someone else’s design.


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    I just don't see it, i mean cannondale has always used single pivots so thats not a copy, and as far as x'd tubing, they go back to the 'delta-v'(i think thats what is was called) hardtail. Now i will admit their rear suspension designs aren't complicated vpp systems, but as far as inovation goes the lefty is pretty inovative.

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    I agree. In general terms, Cannondale has been very innovative: lefty, headshoks... I remember the days of the SE2000...Just wanted to note that the simple pivot is a common design that works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm03
    I just don't see it, i mean cannondale has always used single pivots so thats not a copy, and as far as x'd tubing, they go back to the 'delta-v'(i think thats what is was called) hardtail. Now i will admit their rear suspension designs aren't complicated vpp systems, but as far as inovation goes the lefty is pretty inovative.
    Lefty, Delta-V, Killer-V, Super-V, Headshock, Jekyll, Raven - HA! All obviously copies!



    Are you listening Cannondale? We want complicated, not innovative!!!

    Sorry, jm03. My sarcasm has gotten the better of me today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Lefty, Delta-V, Killer-V, Super-V, Headshock, Jekyll, Raven - HA! All obviously copies!



    Are you listening Cannondale? We want complicated, not innovative!!!

    Sorry, jm03. My sarcasm has gotten the better of me today.
    For a while, I tought you were KleinAttitude...

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    With the advent os SPV single pivot is the way to go if you ask me...more links = more things to break...I ride with a bunch of guys with Trek Liquids and Kona Stinkys and those bikes all creek and make all sorts of noise...and they are always in the shop for something suspension related...

    Cannondale did actually make linkage bikes for a while...but went back to the single pivot...just works better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Church
    With the advent os SPV single pivot is the way to go if you ask me...more links = more things to break...I ride with a bunch of guys with Trek Liquids and Kona Stinkys and those bikes all creek and make all sorts of noise...and they are always in the shop for something suspension related...

    Cannondale did actually make linkage bikes for a while...but went back to the single pivot...just works better...

    Tom
    I agree, with the pivot properly located and SPV (or similar technology), single pivot makes a lot of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    For a while, I tought you were KleinAttitude...
    Sorry again for any confusion. I was just having a bit of sport and hoping the rolleyes and winks at the bottom would be a clue that my post was all in fun.

    Should any of you think I don't care for cannondale bikes, this is my current bike:

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    You are very convincing...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Sorry again for any confusion. I was just having a bit of sport and hoping the rolleyes and winks at the bottom would be a clue that my post was all in fun.

    Should any of you think I don't care for cannondale bikes, this is my current bike:
    And, is that Tinker and you in your avatar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    And, is that Tinker and you in your avatar?
    Yes, it is. I've had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times. This was in May 2004.

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