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    New question here. C Dale Support Gone?

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    So who will still Buy, Ride, Support C Dale now that they Bailed?

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    They certainly didn't "bail" by choice. after going bankrupt they were bought by a investment firm who then sold them to dorel.

    should they improve and continue to be a shop brand i will support them.

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    So what's happening with Cannondale? Are they still going to be made in the USA?

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    Nothing will change for now... Nobody lose their job in all Cannondale offices and plants. In fact, it may get even better. If you ask me, Dorel is a better parent company than Pegasus. Dorel are more into cycling, Pegasus was only in it for the money.

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    Right Dan. Pegasus did their job. They rescued Cannondale from the abyss and have now been compensated for the risk they took when nobody else would. Cannondale is now in better hands for the long haul. The marketplace works. God Bless America.

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    Ah, that's sweet, then!

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    Even under Pegasus there were some improvements. For example their pricing is more competitive, even with the USA made models. One of the reasons I never touched the Cannondale of old is that their prices were very high for a mass manufactured bike.
    I hope that the new owners will take a hands off approach and allow Cdale to continue a business model emphasising US manufacturing, at least on the middle to high end. The company does seem to be committed to running as an IBD division seperate from the mass market division as they see what happened to GT, hopefully they earned their lesson. I know GT now is IBD only, but it is going to take a while to recover its reputation.

    My question to the OP is are you going to quit buying any bike with Fox suspension components given that Bob Fox "bailed' and sold out to an investment group? And Fox was profitable, not a bankrupt company up for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    If you ask me, Dorel is a better parent company than Pegasus. Dorel are more into cycling, Pegasus was only in it for the money.
    I hope you're right, Dan. But other things to consider:

    Pegasus is also interested in making money--they aren't a non-profit. They've got stockholders who expect a return on their investment.

    I don't know that Dorel is so much into cycling (despite what their press release says) as they are into recreational/leisure consumer goods.

    It's a little odd that the new IBD division is called the "Cannondale Sports Group". Seems like they're keeping it broad in definition to allow future expansion into other types of products, which could mean a loss of focus on bicycles. (Purely speculation on my part).

    IBD is a new market for them. Dorel is used to mass market production and distribution. This reminds me a little bit of when Ford bought Jaguar. Building and selling a Ford is completely different from building and selling a Jaguar. Is building and selling a Schwinn completely different from building and selling a Cannondale? Ford lost a lot of money on Jaguar before selling them.

    And finally, 80% of all mergers and acquisitions fail. Most often due to a clash of cultures between the two organizations. Can Cannondale's management style and work environment coexist with Dorel's?

    Holy crap am I long-winded.

    Again though, I hope you're right and I'm completely wrong. I really like Cannondale, and I hope they can remain independent enough so that they can continue to produce great bikes.

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    I think the Montgomerys bailed on Cannondale because they lost their vision and continued putting all their resources into the motorcycle project that ended the company. They should be disappointed in themselves for losing a cash-cow for themselves and putting the company into the hands of the corporations, but no one vilifies them for doing the wrong thing.

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    To all:

    So there was a comment made about GT regaining it's rep after the take over.

    Do you feel you people will support C dale or will it follow the path of GT and become a lesser bike brand more open to Walmart, Dick's and other low price/high volume box stores?

    You know they streamlined GT! Do you think we will see model options disappear and only the most popular will remain as they did with GT did at first?

    There has always been an air of riding/owning a Cdale was special made in America thing!

    Funny as it would seem to me is if Harley went south to have their bikes made even though most people who ride Harley's have no idea the forks and other components are made in Japan and elsewhere they still ride around touting made in America!

    Like the guy with a big number 3 on the back window of his Toyota truck... LOL! Laughable...

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    GT and Cannondale are very different stories. Cannondale was always a profitable bike company (the motorcycle caused bankruptcy, even then, Cannondale's bike division was one of the most profitable bike company in the US)... GT went bankrupt because their bikes sucked, R&D was minimal, they didn't sell and so on. Pacific bought GT and wanted to make some money out of it. The easiest way to do so was to make asian made cheap bikes so that's what they did. Cannondale is doing great now so they don't need to put a big corporate stick in their spokes. Dorel bought Pacific and saw the cannibalizing of GT as a mistake and are trying to bring the company back closer to it's former self. Look at GT since Dorel bought Pacific: more R&D, more high end bikes, they have let the designers and engineers do what they have to do without putting the pressure to make every prototypes become a model to sell (the internal geared DH bike is a good exemple, it's been under development for years now but didn't rush it into the market)... GT also sponsor top athletes... Mongoose also has a similar path since 2004.

    Dorel are helping their companies a lot. They will keep some as entry level mass-market brands but that's good. Cannondale will be the absolute top-end company of the Dorel group and they know what they bought: a great team of designers, engineers and innovators, great production facilities, a network of LBS throughout the world... They haven't bought all that to beat it down the ground. Also think about the effect of having a few brands under the same family. When negotiating for components to be used on all their bikes, they will go from ordering, let's say 10,000 cranksets from Shimano to ordering 30,000, they will get better prices per units, that will either cut the prices of bikes or make more profit... They already stated there are no plans to stop producing bikes and parts in Bedford, Pegasus on the other hand, not only did they never said they wouldn't but they were the ones shifting some manufacturing to asia.

    I will keep supporting Cannondale for as long as they keep making bikes I like, with high quality, great performance, top warranty policies and all that. If they prove me wrong and turn Cannondale into a company like Specialized, I'll look elsewhere but crying that it's the end now, that our current bikes are now worthless and that they will only sell Cannondales as asian made Wal-Mart bikes is just silly. It's like throwing your wife out on the street now because you think that it could be a possibility that she, someday, might cheat on you when she's a perfect, loving significant other in the present... People are afraid of changes but I say keep the whining and crying for when/if they do mess up Cannondale. For now, they have great bikes, with new very good ones just around the corner, they still employ great people in Bedford and Bethel, stand by the products we like so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
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    Do you feel you people will support C dale or will it follow the path of GT and become a lesser bike brand more open to Walmart, Dick's and other low price/high volume box stores?


    Like the guy with a big number 3 on the back window of his Toyota truck... LOL! Laughable...
    Toyota trucks are made in the US ....nothing laughable about that.

    I don't think anybody should worry about Cannondales at Walmart, since the Cannondale name means absolutely nothing to the average Walmart customer. That said however, I definitely can see in the future some junky version of a lefty on a Pacific at Walmart.

    There is no indication that Cannondale will become a lesser brand, just a plain old normal brand like Specialized or Trek. Cannondales will still be nice high quality bikes, but will be produced in the same Asian factories that make bikes for everyone else. That is certainly a loss, but I guess that is the global market today. Time to start saving for a handbuilt custom built-in-the-US frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieWV
    Time to start saving for a handbuilt custom built-in-the-US frame!
    So...Like a Cannondale? There is NO WAY they will move production of high end overseas. The quality of craftsmanship just isn't there.

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    Cannondale has already moved overseas for certain low, mid, and high end models.

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    That expensive, high end carbon rush is made in Asia. Does that mean it's a crappy bike/frameset? A lot of plants in Taiwan are technically advanved compared to US companies. Pride of ownership goes a long way and I would rather have a bike built here, but what if the Asian frames are just as good. You can only wave the flag for so long before you have to actually look at the final product. If it turns out that the Asian bikes are crap, then buy something else. If they are as good, then move on, get over the bikes origin and enjoy the ride. I, personally, would never buy an American made car anymore but we arguably make the best high end stereo components (Mark Levinson comes to mind, $30,000 for a monoblock amp, and I'm sure most of the components are sourced elsewhere). Wait to see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baalan
    That expensive, high end carbon rush is made in Asia. Does that mean it's a crappy bike/frameset? A lot of plants in Taiwan are technically advanved compared to US companies. Pride of ownership goes a long way and I would rather have a bike built here, but what if the Asian frames are just as good. You can only wave the flag for so long before you have to actually look at the final product. If it turns out that the Asian bikes are crap, then buy something else. If they are as good, then move on, get over the bikes origin and enjoy the ride. I, personally, would never buy an American made car anymore but we arguably make the best high end stereo components (Mark Levinson comes to mind, $30,000 for a monoblock amp, and I'm sure most of the components are sourced elsewhere). Wait to see what happens.
    Below is a link to something I posted in the Chumba forum, with a reply from Chumba about it as well.

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    Part of the problem people have with Taiwanese frames is with the companies that simply sent their stuff out there and didn't give a rat's ass about how they were made, so long as they simply had "units" to ship out to satisfy the spreadsheet in the computer. In this sense, the bikes did lose their "soul", for lack of a better way of saying it. It wasn't even smaller companies that produced lower end or mid level bikes that have been there for many years. It was by such high-profile companies like ABG/Litespeed and they're now bearing the failure of that project because it appears just about all of those frames failed due to the beancounters here and over there controlling the assembly (ie: not heat treating the frames) and the design. There are some other companies that tried and are coming back, in part at least. Poor production can be anywhere and it's also based on the structuring of the company and the economics. Some American made frames are among the best in the world, while some are not as good as a Taiwanese or Chinese frame. There are way too many factors. It's heavily based on the office designing and receiving their frames. They have to be willing to invest the money to examine samples, make sure the factory managers are not cutting corners (ie headtubes shorter than spec, shorter or no heat treat, lower current setting on the welders, regular jig resetting), and be willing to reject and/or correct a batch of frames that comes in. Sometimes a batch of several hundred frames could hit the design offices, all built wrong. In that case, what does the company do? It's tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieWV
    Toyota trucks are made in the US ....nothing laughable about that.

    I don't think anybody should worry about Cannondales at Walmart, since the Cannondale name means absolutely nothing to the average Walmart customer. That said however, I definitely can see in the future some junky version of a lefty on a Pacific at Walmart.

    There is no indication that Cannondale will become a lesser brand, just a plain old normal brand like Specialized or Trek. Cannondales will still be nice high quality bikes, but will be produced in the same Asian factories that make bikes for everyone else. That is certainly a loss, but I guess that is the global market today. Time to start saving for a hand built custom built-in-the-US frame!
    Here's how it reads Cannondale now in the same basket as GT, Mongoose, and Schwinn. Trek & Specialized aren't! It's like putting Ferrari in with Ford, Chevy, and Dodge!

    Ya it is laughable cause the guy riding around with the big 3 in the window supports Dale E. but not the car company who pays Dale E. GM hires Dale E. to promote GM not Toyota! It puts no money in GMs pockets to go buy a Toyota truck instead of a GM!

    Just as it is for the guy who buys a Harley and spouts "Made in America" when the forks are Showa, the tires are Dunlop and the ignition is all Japanese made!

    Think about it! Where was the computer you and I using made?

    Maybe we will see guys riding around with big #3s on Cannondales -- LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Below is a link to something I posted in the Chumba forum, with a reply from Chumba about it as well.

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    Cannondale's USA made stuff broke! So what's the point?

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    What are you talking about? I just simply posted this topic in their forum during the course of a discussion.

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    I wouldn't compare Cannondale, Trek or Specialized to Ferrari... Ferrari would be more like a small company that hand-build a few bikes per year with long waiting lists. But looking at the car industry, look at the VW group, they own or are in the same bed as Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Skoda, Seat and perhaps others. Does it mean a Porsche has the same quality as a Skoda? No, even if they share knowledge and parts, they are different brands for different markets with different quality standards... The same can apply to the bike industry.

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    I think some of C'dales lower end stuff is already made in either China or Tiawan. The F4 and 5's(Caffine) I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    All this debate over where stuff is made has me leaning toward an Ibex. Apparently its good quality and I can actually afford it. Dont care where its made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Below is a link to something I posted in the Chumba forum, with a reply from Chumba about it as well.

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    Talking about taiwanese made bikes and weather it will help or hurt Cannondale!

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    And this is a discussion about that, with a pertinent post I made elsehwere on the topic. It addresses that pretty well.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    And this is a discussion about that, with a pertinent post I made elsehwere on the topic. It addresses that pretty well.
    Yes

    This post that I started is about how "people" will support Cannondale now that they have been acquired by another company and no longer control their own destiny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Yes

    This post that I started is about how "people" will support Cannondale now that they have been acquired by another company and no longer control their own destiny!
    According to your logic, they already didn't control their own destiny since they belonged to Pegasus for a few years.

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    But Cannondale has been acquired by another company already and hasn't controlled their own destiny in several years. They were simply sold as a financial package. People have speculated that production will move more of their line to Taiwan and China, some care, some don't, and my post responds to that and what the problem is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    According to your logic, they already didn't control their own destiny since they belonged to Pegasus for a few years.
    They were more in control then they are now! Now they will be dismantled and divided up, Bedford will close eventually after all is learned and copied there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    They were more in control then they are now! Now they will be dismantled and divided up, Bedford will close eventually after all is learned and copied there!
    Of course they will...

    Some people jump to uneducated conclusions way too fast. I'm not talking only about you NEPMTBA but maybe Jerk Chicken is right, might be time to unsubscribe. Everytime there is a thread about the buisness side of Cannondale, it turns into a mess of ignorant, fear-driven, clueless posts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    I wouldn't compare Cannondale, Trek or Specialized to Ferrari... Ferrari would be more like a small company that hand-build a few bikes per year with long waiting lists. But looking at the car industry, look at the VW group, they own or are in the same bed as Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Skoda, Seat and perhaps others. Does it mean a Porsche has the same quality as a Skoda? No, even if they share knowledge and parts, they are different brands for different markets with different quality standards... The same can apply to the bike industry.

    This is a good example except that the bicycle industry is even more complicated. The WV group makes their cars in their own plants, but bicycles are different. You might have the same chinese bicycle plant making frames for Giant, Specialized, and Trek. Sure, the individual brand designs and specs the bikes, but the frame manufacturer is the same. That is what I see as the real danger here. I don't think Cannondale quality will suffer, just that it will lose some of its idividuality. I think that individuality is one of Cannondales greatest assets. I enjoy being able to visit the Cannondale factory and see the people designing, testing, and building my bike (frame).

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    Control of your destiny....

    The article in today's Cycling news paints a picture of them pretty much being left alone. I would imagine that Dorel will give a large capitol infusion , and get them better marketing strength and buying power as far as their suppliers are concerned. I can tell you that every bike rep that came through our shop has been asking about this deal for weeks. A healthy C-dale with $$$'s could shake up market share a bit , hear that Specialized?......that is someone on your tail.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    They were more in control then they are now! Now they will be dismantled and divided up, Bedford will close eventually after all is learned and copied there!
    I thought long and hard about weather or not to post, but you don't seem to understand the purpose of private equity in real life.

    These companies (like Pegasus) are in the business of buying undervalued companies that need a turn around. Usually it is because of poor management, like Cannondale pre-bankruptcy. They were making some great bikes, but the decision making and strategy cost them everything.

    The private equity company helps by bringing needed cash, sound business decisions, and good strategy. Their reward for this huge risk is a profitable sale at the end.

    Before this sale, Cannondale was still pumping out nice bikes, and they will continue to. But to say they were in control is about as short sighted as it gets. They wouldn't have been allowed to make any serious capital investments or significantly risky moves without the oversight of the equity group. PEGASUS was in control. And Pegasus is only in the business of making money.

    Now a bike and recreation company owns Cannondale. You will see some changes, but I doubt that you will see any change in how their bikes are sold and supported. You might see some of their more brilliant engineering concepts get shared with other Loral holdings....just like GM borrowed design and styling cues from Saab for their Chevy and Saturn line. Whatever.

    It doesn't mean that Cannondales are a lesser bike now that they have sister companies that make entry level and toy store bikes. An Aston Martin is still and Aston Martin, even though they are owned and controlled by the same guys that make the Ford Focus.

    Start complaining when they actually start making heavy steel Cannondales with crappy welds, and leftys made out of plastic. Otherwise you are Bi+ching about nothing.

    Expecting Cannondale to be pulled out of a profitable market segment just defies logic. Dorel already owns brands that dominate the low and entry market. Dropping another brand in that group will just dilute their sales in that segment. This is their chance to own part of the top tier, and they are taking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dh1
    I thought long and hard about weather or not to post, but you don't seem to understand the purpose of private equity in real life.

    These companies (like Pegasus) are in the business of buying undervalued companies that need a turn around. Usually it is because of poor management, like Cannondale pre-bankruptcy. They were making some great bikes, but the decision making and strategy cost them everything.

    The private equity company helps by bringing needed cash, sound business decisions, and good strategy. Their reward for this huge risk is a profitable sale at the end.

    Before this sale, Cannondale was still pumping out nice bikes, and they will continue to. But to say they were in control is about as short sighted as it gets. They wouldn't have been allowed to make any serious capital investments or significantly risky moves without the oversight of the equity group. PEGASUS was in control. And Pegasus is only in the business of making money.

    Now a bike and recreation company owns Cannondale. You will see some changes, but I doubt that you will see any change in how their bikes are sold and supported. You might see some of their more brilliant engineering concepts get shared with other Loral holdings....just like GM borrowed design and styling cues from Saab for their Chevy and Saturn line. Whatever.

    It doesn't mean that Cannondales are a lesser bike now that they have sister companies that make entry level and toy store bikes. An Aston Martin is still and Aston Martin, even though they are owned and controlled by the same guys that make the Ford Focus.

    Start complaining when they actually start making heavy steel Cannondales with crappy welds, and leftys made out of plastic. Otherwise you are Bi+ching about nothing.

    Expecting Cannondale to be pulled out of a profitable market segment just defies logic. Loral already owns brands that dominate the low and entry market. Dropping another brand in that group will just dilute their sales in that segment. This is their chance to own part of the top tier, and they are taking it.
    I think you fail to see the name is devalued!

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    ... and if we just ...

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    Of course they will...

    Some people jump to uneducated conclusions way too fast. I'm not talking only about you NEPMTBA but maybe Jerk Chicken is right, might be time to unsubscribe. Everytime there is a thread about the buisness side of Cannondale, it turns into a mess of ignorant, fear-driven, clueless posts...
    Yes and what you speak of is exactly what american buying public is, hence my Harley comment.

    Slow, Heavy, Ugly over priced, yet they buy them in droves!

    You proll'ay have one... LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Yes and what you speak of is exactly what american buying public is, hence my Harley comment.

    Slow, Heavy, Ugly over priced, yet they buy them in droves!

    You proll'ay have one... LOL!
    I'm not sure I get that comment, what it has to do here or if I should take it as an insult to me or not so I'll just leave you at that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    I think you fail to see the name is devalued!
    Dude, I can respect that you have an opinion on the matter.

    The reality is that Cannondale has been selling lower end bikes to the public for several years now too. The low end recreational/comfort bike doesn't take anything away from the Team Issue Scalpel....or did you not realize that Cannondale already was making frames in Taiwan with alivo level components on them? http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/08/cusa/model-8CS5.html

    Your assumption that Cannondale will all of the sudden stop being a premium brand just doesn't make sense. Pacific would have no reason to lower the standards and compete in the same market where they are already King. It would actually be the opposite of what the parent company is trying to accomplish with this purchase.

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    NEPMTBA = Troll

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    Geez By the time I get to the thread its devolved into a mess.
    IS everyone done with the BS stuff. Has the thread reached a conclusion?

    If it's going to contintue being useless I'll boot it to the recycle bin,

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Here's how it reads Cannondale now in the same basket as GT, Mongoose, and Schwinn. Trek & Specialized aren't! It's like putting Ferrari in with Ford, Chevy, and Dodge!

    Ya it is laughable cause the guy riding around with the big 3 in the window supports Dale E. but not the car company who pays Dale E. GM hires Dale E. to promote GM not Toyota! It puts no money in GMs pockets to go buy a Toyota truck instead of a GM!

    Just as it is for the guy who buys a Harley and spouts "Made in America" when the forks are Showa, the tires are Dunlop and the ignition is all Japanese made!

    Think about it! Where was the computer you and I using made?

    Maybe we will see guys riding around with big #3s on Cannondales -- LOL!
    Of all NEPMTBA's post's in this thread, I chose this. It epitomizes what I think it his trolling mentality.
    Virtually nothing today is going to be 100% MUSA, so to think your calling someone out on something based on a fraction of outsourced parts is immature. I think it is somewhat noble to attempt to support skilled fellow Americans, even though it seems to fly in the face of the 'buy more crap for the $" mentality that is prevalent today,
    You will take note though, that by 'crap' I mean just piles of more stuff. At no point do I think something from Asia is going to be sub-par on quality. Most people with the MUSA mentality think that way.

    NEPMTBA, you make alot of claims and accusations w/o any real sources. I think doing that reeks of trolling and it really devalues this thread.


    Putting Cdale in the same 'basket' as the lower tier brands doesnt do much, esp when your on of their core consumers.
    Think Rolls Royce...Who owns them? Think it bothers the stock broker who rolls one?


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    Dude, I can respect that you have an opinion on the matter.

    The reality is that Cannondale has been selling lower end bikes to the public for several years now too. The low end recreational/comfort bike doesn't take anything away from the Team Issue Scalpel....or did you not realize that Cannondale already was making frames in Taiwan with alivo level components on them? http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/08/cusa/model-8CS5.html

    Your assumption that Cannondale will all of the sudden stop being a premium brand just doesn't make sense. Pacific would have no reason to lower the standards and compete in the same market where they are already King. It would actually be the opposite of what the parent company is trying to accomplish with this purchase.
    Association with Pacific is enough said! Look at their history...Failed & Bailed! From motorcycles to bicycles. The quads were the only thing that had a chance. They didn't listen to people who told them the fuel injection was wrong. It bit them in the end. They even topped Schwinn! Now there right there with them. How can you not see that... Schwinn was once king! Ask Kieth Johnson about the motorcycles His quote to me was "I'm sick of dragging this thing off the track" Of course the next year he was on Yamahas!

    They were king and they failed? They produced brand new bikes that were cracked as they hit the showroom floors!

    Need 2 more words "Chevy Vega" They were already rusted out on the showroom floor. Hum no 2008 Vegas around are there? Package it anyway you want the king as you call it fell off the top, due to uncaring, hurry it up, profits count more than anything else, and so what if it's quality control is poor!

    My friend Jack broke 2 frames, he's on his third and the shop already has a frame in stock if he breaks another one. I ride with him so don't sing the "oh he jumped off a building hoopla" He is a beginner!

    If you got in your car and it broke in half twice would you be running to get the same brand. I highly doubt it! They are just lucky enough not to have a frame break and stick in someone's chest there by killing them! If that happened we wouldn't even here the name Cannondale ever again!

    Ya... Tony their history is enough proof for me -- no trolling in that!... quick recycle it so it can't be seen! Speak the truth of C dale = get called a Troll... LOL!

    Got'em, Rode'em, Broke'em, Still got'em, Sitt'in in the attic! Rid'in stuff that never brakes! What's trollish about the truth? They claim to have the best welding operations in the world. So, with all the failures was that self proclaimed?

    Keep a blind eye to it Excuses are plentiful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Ya... Tony their history is enough proof for me -- no trolling in that!... quick recycle it so it can't be seen! Speak the truth of C dale = get called a Troll... LOL!
    That's not quite how it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CdaleTony
    Putting Cdale in the same 'basket' as the lower tier brands doesnt do much, esp when your on of their core consumers.
    Think Rolls Royce...Who owns them? Think it bothers the stock broker who rolls one?


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    Exactly. There's no reason to push Cannondale business wise into the lower end category. If anything there's more reason to NOT have lower end bikes under that name as been happening in the last few years. It makes more sense to sell the higher end bikes under the good brand name and lower end bikes under GT or their other lower names. The only reason they would realistically keep the lower end Cannondales is to continue selling the low end bikes through their current LBS distribution channels.

    But who knows, maybe they will outsource everything overseas, that doesn't mean the quality of the product will go down. I personally don't think the Cannondale name by itself is worth the money they spent. They bought a company that will fill a niche that they don't have, why ruin it?

    As for a GT with a lefty, in all seriousness, why not? I'm sure the R&D on the higher end models will flow downward. Their lower end models may exhibit design features from older Cannondales.

    A simple, and plausible example of this is the Rush/Prophet. Both of these bikes are being moved to newer/better platforms. Dorel could easily move the production of these bicycles, jigs/parts/IP overseas and build similar bikes overseas for the lower end market. What this gives them is a huge cost savings for R&D. Both higher/lower end benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Yes

    This post that I started is about how "people" will support Cannondale now that they have been acquired by another company and no longer control their own destiny!
    Cannondale was acquired FIVE YEARS AGO. This is the second sale- this time to a company that is in the bicycle business rather than the 'buy low - sell high' business.

    BTW, Who is this idiot?? I have great respect for the work done by the NEPAMTB because I've ridden some of the awesome trails there. I would have thought that there were some good people down there putting it all together but this guy just gives the organization a bad name with his negative, short-sighted, and uninformed comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    That's not quite how it happened.
    Thats right JC
    Nept, just cut back on the purely wise A$$ comments.
    Discuss what you will and how you feel.
    Cut the filler

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    [QUOTE=NEPMTBA]

    My friend Jack broke 2 frames, he's on his third and the shop already has a frame in stock if he breaks another one. I ride with him so don't sing the "oh he jumped off a building hoopla" He is a beginner! ]

    Ok, Since I was dragged in to this by Lee(NEPTMBA) I figured I would respond. Lee, I don't personally agree with anything you are saying. Show me a cannondale in wall-mart and we will talk. As far as I can see they are still pumping out great bikes with great support. As long as they do so there is nothing to discuss. I did Crack 2, F29 frames. Let it be known that I am 6'3" and 275lbs. I definatly push the limits of any bike. I ride 4 to 5 days a week and raced all summer on it. Both times it craked on the top of the top tube just before the seat post weld. Both times during very hard/long climbs in my middle ring. Both times I was in and out of my LBS the same day with everything switched to a new frame. I will stand behind Cannondale until they give me a reason not too. In fact I just bought my lady a taurine team to race this season.

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    A quick comment on the quality of Asian made bikes. I have worked in the bicyle industry for years. I spent a lot of time as a product developer sourcing components from Asia. The bulk of the worlds bikes are made in Asia and they are very good at it. I have been in Taiwanese and Chinese factories producing carbon frames and components and they are as state of the art. They do a TON of composite work in Asia. The TW/Chinese will build a bike to the spec you give them. As long as they design and engineering is sound it will be just as good as any mass produced bike you cna find here. The only time you will see a real difference in quality is if you lok at a boutique builder like Seven or IF.

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    Here's an example of Chinese products. I used to be in the firearms industry building everthing from sniper rifles to competition pistols. The Chinese have a brand called Norinco. These things are never the same from on to the other because the company wants to build cheap, affordable products. Garbage in my mind but great for someone else. We needed to have some short shotgun barrels made up so we went to the chinese to manufature the reamed and honed blanks to our specs. Each one was identical and rivaled US produced barrels. I know this is straying off the original topic somewhat but just because it doesn't sat made in the US it's not going to be crap as long the manufacturer stays to the specs. I'll still buy a Cannondale wherever the thing is made as long as it's a great bike and continues to live up to the reputation. If they turn out to be crap, I'll buy older Cannondales that are extremely plentifull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Cannondale's USA made stuff broke! So what's the point?
    Really? I wish somebody would have told me that before I started buying Cannondales in 1996 because NONE of my various USA made stuff has broken. However, if Cannondales move production overseas good news for you!! You can buy them without any concerns of breaking them!!

    As for me, if they move away from the USA I will still buy them if I like them. To me it's kind of pointless where something is made since probably 98% of the stuff I own is foreign made. If something is well made I don't care where it comes from as long as it is quality. And yes, I live in the US.

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    I will still support them, untill they bone us. Maybe we can get a full suspension 29er now any thoughts?

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