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    ... and if we just ... Brand new 2008 cannondale catalog!!!!

    For all of you that are curious about the 2008 cannondale bikes....Got a catalog today. Ask me which bike you want more info for and I'll scan and post it!
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    How about the Perp when you get a chance. Thanks!

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    29er Singlespeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    For all of you that are curious about the 2008 cannondale bikes....Got a catalog today. Ask me which bike you want more info for and I'll scan and post it!
    The whole thing! PLEASE!


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    Post top of page 19 .... - best MTB advertisement I have seen.....(M. Lee carrying his bike)
    title: " REASON TO BUY CARBON BIKE"
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    Man, never thought I'd say such a thing, but Cannondale gave me ENOUGH reasons to DON'T BUY a Prophet anymore. They've killed it. It's dead and buried. Shame. Better they really have something to replace this bike.

    Cdalemaniac, can you post the new Rushes for us to see the new colors and set-ups?

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    This is the last one for tonite.... Check back when yall' get the chance since I'll try my best to get the whole cataloge in here.
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    The rush should be already posted. Along with the Hardtails and scalpels....maybe the server is too slow...you can also access the pictures by clicking on my eagle icon and then go to "all pictures posted by this member". This should bring all pictures up.
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    U R right blackronin....here are some more pics... for some reason I missed 10 pages
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    Here are the last 5 I have... check back tomorrow for more great pics!
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    You rock.

    I'm liking the Rush 2 in Blue, looks tre nice. 3Z as well, the white fox accents well...

    I'm feeling a real sense of mourning over the prophet, especially the lefty... *goes and cries in the corner*

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    anyone have any idea of the price points for the new rush's? or even the old ones...? thanks

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    Perps are beauties! Stealth and mean looking... But...

    Somehow, I find this page a bit funny, not sure I would have picked that top photo... you know, with the Lefty Max...


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    Without the Lefty on the Prophet, the bike looks normal...and I don't like normal. Fox Forx are the Flexiest things I've ever ridden...

    The paint jobs just look recycled...cdalemaniac...you are a hero to many. Thank you.
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    am I the only one that finds the picture of the rush being carried more than a little ironic?

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    Thanks a lot, Cdalemaniac! I agree with RideFaster, congratulations on your efforts to bring us the new catalog!

    The Prophet doesn't look normal, it looks DESTROYED. They simply downgraded it to the ground. Alivio parts on the Prophet 4?!? Gotta be f***ing kidding me.

    Anyway, the Rush 1 is out, but nice surprise they upgraded the Rush 2 with XTR wheels and brakes. That will be my choice. And the Fox internals in the Speedy Carbon RLC just turned me on. That should cover, but I'll sadly miss the extra 30mm squish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowMongoose
    am I the only one that finds the picture of the rush being carried more than a little ironic?
    I have never seen Matthew Lee on a Rush. I believe that's a 29er he is carrying. He is well known for racing the Great Divide Trail.




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    apache: either way, if I were making a catalog, I wouldn't include pictures of anything aimed at climbing, being carried, even if the picture involved something unrideable.
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    No More Lefty 140 Max!!!!???????

    WTF? What's going to happen if you already own a Lefty 140 Max and you need parts? Why would they do this to their loyal customers? This sucks! Why would they kill off the Prophet? It's obvious that 2008 will be it's final year. Just look at the paint jobs. They suck. Cannondale is screwing up!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marclan
    WTF? What's going to happen if you already own a Lefty 140 Max and you need parts? Why would they do this to their loyal customers? This sucks! Why would they kill off the Prophet? It's obvious that 2008 will be it's final year. Just look at the paint jobs. They suck. Cannondale is screwing up!!!!!!!

    Wow man! Slow down...take a deep breath... swig a beer. Now think about the bikes that are coming out later in the year. You still have hope and they probably still have parts for the Max. If you're not at ease please repeat the above mentioned process.

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    No Lefty - No Cannondale

    Having been a loyal Cannondale owner for over 8 years and with five C bikes in the garage, I am now starting to look elsewhere.

    I don't buy a new bike every year, but when I do, I research it and buy what I consider is the best. My wife and I have a Prophet 4000 ('05 model) and it's the perfect bike. Light, efficient, plenty of travel and very well speced.

    Look at the specs on the new Prophet 1 - it better be cheap !!!

    I've had a Lefty for years and apart from the way it works (exceptional) it's been great having something that was a bit unique - The Lefty is always a talking point and I love the way it works.

    My father has a Rush 2000, and yes they are a great bike, but for me the OLD prophet was a fantastic bike and I was looking forward to my next Prophet (carbon frame with an improved Lefty) - yes, I was dreaming, but that's what Cannondale's management should do - dream about what could have been and make it happen.

    They've lost me

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    ...and Taurine?

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    ANd what's with those 130 trail carbon and 160 big mounatin bikes??? Are they also in the catalog???

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    Thanks for posting the pics!

    Could you please scan the geometry-charts also?

    The Prophet seem a little higher up front in the pics, I wonder if the use the MX-frame or the regular?
    Anyone know the axle-crown height of the Fox 32 mm forks - I didnt find it on Foxs website.

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    What about the Taurine?
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    Great post!! Thanks!

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    F4, 5, 6 ,7 all look to be Korean or whatever.

    Catalog looks boring. Takes about 10 pages to even get to a Cannondale fork.

    Corporate, safe, no innovation, hype, cheap :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstdvd70e02
    ...and Taurine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7hz
    F4, 5, 6 ,7 all look to be Korean or whatever.

    Catalog looks boring. Takes about 10 pages to even get to a Cannondale fork.

    Corporate, safe, no innovation, hype, cheap :-(
    You guys f'ing kill me. I would like to know what you make because if you consider 6500 dollar mtn bikes and nearly 7000 dollar road bikes cheap, I want your job!!! Lack of innovation? How about a 100mm travel bike with no pivot points? How does that work? Hype? How about 4 months of e-speculation on what the Scalpel will look like, ride like, weigh? The only thing you might have gotten right is corporate. Yes Cannondale is a bike Company, that needs to support 600 plus employees and thousands of bikes shops and hundreds of thousands of customers. Is there a crime in making a product that can keep Cannondale in bike shops and allow the company to run from now into the future?

    Cannondale applies their technology where it is most needed, where it makes the biggest difference. If a void filler ('08 prophets) can be made more consumer friendly by putting a conventional fork on it, then well it needs to be done. I can pretty much guarantee the lefty is not dead. I suggest opening your minds a little bit, and stop being a bunch of Sheeple (stole that from scion) and think for yourselves. Don't just jump on the hater bandwagon because you think it is cool. Recognize Cannondale for what it is. One of the greatest bike companies in the world just trying to make a product that everyone in every financial bracket can afford and enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    You guys f'ing kill me. I would like to know what you make because if you consider 6500 dollar mtn bikes and nearly 7000 dollar road bikes cheap, I want your job!!! Lack of innovation? How about a 100mm travel bike with no pivot points? How does that work? Hype? How about 4 months of e-speculation on what the Scalpel will look like, ride like, weigh? The only thing you might have gotten right is corporate. Yes Cannondale is a bike Company, that needs to support 600 plus employees and thousands of bikes shops and hundreds of thousands of customers. Is there a crime in making a product that can keep Cannondale in bike shops and allow the company to run from now into the future?

    Cannondale applies their technology where it is most needed, where it makes the biggest difference. If a void filler ('08 prophets) can be made more consumer friendly by putting a conventional fork on it, then well it needs to be done. I can pretty much guarantee the lefty is not dead. I suggest opening your minds a little bit, and stop being a bunch of Sheeple (stole that from scion) and think for yourselves. Don't just jump on the hater bandwagon because you think it is cool. Recognize Cannondale for what it is. One of the greatest bike companies in the world just trying to make a product that everyone in every financial bracket can afford and enjoy!
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    man the Rush 3 is now Carbon... How much do you think the rush carbon frames will cost??
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    I think Cannondale's new owners aren't satisfied with the number of bikes they sell and has decided to go "conventional" so they can ship more bikes. They would rather sell 50 Alivio spec'd bikes than 1 X0. I for one probably won't buy a "conventional" Cannondale dumbed down to appease the masses.

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    Everybody has a personal favorite. (I am still hoping they come out with a Beast of the East inspired bike.)

    From what I am seeing in this catalog, it looks like Cannondale is answering with what actually sells. They would never cut back on models that were selling well. Yes, the Prophet has been cut back but the 29'er crowd is getting what they have been asking for. The Rush is as strong as ever. People buying bikes are making the decision on what is offered and it looks like the people have spoken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdm362
    man the Rush 3 is now Carbon... How much do you think the rush carbon frames will cost??
    The european Rush 3 model 2007 was already only available in carbon...

    In Europe (region Belgium), a Rush Carbon 3 model 2007 costs 3.549 EUR; but that price is no indication for the price on the USA market.

    The catalog price for a Rush carbon frame + Lefty SL is 2.899 EUR; But a discount of 10% ŗ 15% is not exceptional

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsguy
    I think Cannondale's new owners aren't satisfied with the number of bikes they sell and has decided to go "conventional" so they can ship more bikes. They would rather sell 50 Alivio spec'd bikes than 1 X0. I for one probably won't buy a "conventional" Cannondale dumbed down to appease the masses.
    Bike shops have Specialized, Trek and Giant that say if you drop Cannondale we'll give you XYZ. Bike shops say well Cannondale aren't a complete brand so it won't affect our business to lose them. Now Cannondale has everything and bike shops won't stand for the other big 3 or 4 bullying them into dropping the smallest of the "big brand" bikes.

    Check out this post by Carl Buchanan on why he really digs Cannondale now. It might show you a bit of the shops perspective on things...

    http://carlosdajackal.blogspot.com/2...for-2008s.html

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    Most people complaining about Cannondale doing this, Cannondale doing that, complaining that it's not what it used to be like old hippies obviously have no clues on how a big company is run...

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    Well, I do recognize cannondale as a great bike company...but: Quality has its price! I think it's a BAD IDEA to have a lot of the "cheaper" bikes made in Asia! I think it's the same with automobiles! You WILL NEVER SEE a Rolls Royce, Bentley or Ferrari being manufactured in Taiwan only to boost sales numbers by producing them cheaper!
    Every bike that doesn't carry the "Handmade in USA" logo will now be made out of country! When you look at the current line, a lot of bikes don't have this sought after logo anymore!
    AND AS FAR AS THE "NEW' PROPHET" GOES I THINK WITHOUT THE LEFTY YOU CAN'T REALLY SELL THIS BIKE AS INNOVATIVE ANYMORE! WITH A REGULAR FORK IT'LL BE JUST A NORMAL SINGLE PIVOT BIKE LIKE SO MANY OTHERS! THE LEFTY COMPENSATED FOR A SINGLE PIVOT, SINCE THERE ARE A LOT OF MANUFACTURERS OUT THERE THAT PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO A GREAT WORKING REAR SUSPENSION DESIGN LIKE SPECIALIZED AND GIANT AND OTHERS! My Prophet only weights a tack over 27 lbs.... that's with the stock handlebar, heavy thompson seatpot and fizik saddle, 2.4 wide tires, "heavy" Crossland wheels with 7" rotor in the front and juicy 7 brakes! What makes it so well balanced and light is without a doubt the carbon lefty max. I just see it from this point of view: Imagine you're a customer like 6 months ago...going to your local cannondale shop were they preach the system integration....you spend $1,500.- for a lefty max carbon because it's the best there is and will be...6 months later the same shop tells you how crappy they are...too many problems etc. and you're better off with a standard fork for freeriding/allmountain biking... well I'd be one pissed mother$%^&@! All we can hope for is that the engineers at cannondale are working on something to replace the lefty max with a unique design of their own and simply couldn't meet the deadline for the 2008 catalog. That makes sense too me... remember: cannondale had a similar "dilemma" before: Moto 120! That fork was the opposite of what cannondale preached since it was a regular upside down fork and they only designed it to have a long travel fork with a HeadShok logo so that Missy Giovy and others wouldn't have their bikes spec'd with Rock Shox Fork at world cup races for too long! As soon as the lefty was out they dumped the MOTO 120 design! We'll see in '09. Right now the Prophet is just a niche product and I bet for 2009 it'll be revised with a new kind of fork and a stiffer rearsuspension. They already stiffened the rear end on the rush swingarm because it was too flexy!
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    Sorry to be so negative about this company, but I am really pissed at my freakin *******, sorry, headshok fatty, not working, and worried I have a duff product that is going to either spill air, or oil, or both, because of crappy manufacturing.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7hz
    F4, 5, 6 ,7 all look to be Korean or whatever.
    Anyone got further info? I am just going by the MADE IN THE USA on the stays.

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    Catalog looks boring. Takes about 10 pages to even get to a Cannondale fork.
    True, no? I mean, whats the point of being a innovator, making your own design of forks, of you are only going to put them on 1/3 of your bikes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7hz
    Corporate, safe, no innovation, hype, cheap :-(
    Big deal on the 100mm travel, the bikes look cheap, well, some of them anyway, they look like cookie cutter me-too bikes same as specialised, giant, huffys :-) Paint jobs are uninspiring.

    Hype - all new, we made the tubes larger and thinner!!.. lol, is this 1992?

    Safe - where is the freak out frames? Where is the crazy suspension stuff?

    Corporate - no feeling.

    Don't get me wrong, some of the bikes are great, the Taurines look fine (mind you, the one with the Fatty has no freakin air in it in the photo... hmmm)

    I totally understand Cannondale are between a rock and a hard place now, either they swim with Specialised etc, or sink into boutique. I just think they have compromised too much (terrible quality control, ditching lefty max, asian production) and that has taken the soul out of the product, maaaaaan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Most people complaining about Cannondale doing this, Cannondale doing that, complaining that it's not what it used to be like old hippies obviously have no clues on how a big company is run...

    It seems odd to me that people are complaining about parts picks on lower models. I haven't looked at the parts pick of each level of each bike, but basically it looks like they pretty much have a wide range of price points. I think that is the most important thing, if you cannot sale to a variety of lifestyles then you are limiting your success. Generally people with more money get to spend more on their bikes, therefore, they get the more expensive hardware. Any seasoned rider has his preference of parts and no company is going to have all of one person's favorite parts on any one model. If the shifters are right the seat will be wrong and so on. So everyone should just buy the one fits their money to parts preference ratio best and then just change stuff as it breaks or hopefully wears out. If they decide to switch brands they are going to run into the same issues at that other brand. The only gripe I am somewhat sensitive to is the no lefty max one. I personally don't have one, but I can see that bumming some people out. I was bummed out when they axed the 2x9 spiders, but now they are back. So there's hope for you lefty max people too!

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    I for one am glad the Lefty is off the Prophet; never interested me. That said, I wonder if this model will survive past next year. The Perp seems to be gaining steam as that all-around AM/FR/DH model and the Rush may fill the gap behind.

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    P.S. In that photo, who was riding a Prophet at the DH course at Sea Otter?

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    O.K. my fellow cannondale "lovers"... Here are the last pictures I'm about to post and the Geometry charts. Since this is a mtb forum I don't worry about the road bikes too much unless someone wants to see a specific model. It's kinda interesting to see that cannondale still talks about their SI. I only see that on their top notch racing bikes though. And no cannondale philosophy in the catalog this time...hmmm
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    only two version for the taurine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    P.S. In that photo, who was riding a Prophet at the DH course at Sea Otter?
    Chris Van Dine. Check out a video of it here: http://www.ridegravity.com/fly.aspx?...video&taxid=24

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    Cdalemaniac,

    Thanks a ton for posting all these scans. This is quite a bit of work.

    I've been eyeing a few 2007 Prophets in my area, prices have dropped, I'm sure I'll end up waiting too long...

    cheers

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    Thanks for this. Good to see someone riding their Prophet hard! Mine's going back to Northstar in 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    Chris Van Dine. Check out a video of it here: http://www.ridegravity.com/fly.aspx?...video&taxid=24

    Just post one spy shot or a small bit of info regarding the new and improved all mountain '09 Prophet and the feel of this entire thread will turn around. All negativity will most likely disappear.
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    [QUOTE=7hz]F4, 5, 6 ,7 all look to be Korean or whatever.

    Catalog looks boring. Takes about 10 pages to even get to a Cannondale fork.

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    With all the Prophet and Rush model's to choose from, you have exactly one (1) to pick from if you want a Handmade in The USA frame and a lefty. Rush Team, Rush 2 Rush 3 all carbon, all Non-USA. If you want a full suspension handmade in the USA bike WITH a lefty, you have one (1) to choose from in 2008, the Rush 4 with a speed bonded 110mm.

    So what will the 2009 options dwindle to I wonder. . .

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    subtle modifications

    i notice 2 things , please confirm

    1) taurine chainstays look a little bit different. can someone check also the geometry chart?)

    2) XC3 integrated steer looks different in the SI assembly. 2007 version has a top cap too?

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    Is there a 26" 1fg in there somewhere?

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    Diggin' the paint schemes . . . .

    Especially the flames on the 29rs.

    Thanks for posting this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    For all of you that are curious about the 2008 cannondale bikes....Got a catalog today. Ask me which bike you want more info for and I'll scan and post it!
    Hello Cdalemaniac,

    Can you make un pdf file of the catalog please ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelefiorentin
    i notice 2 things , please confirm

    1) taurine chainstays look a little bit different. can someone check also the geometry chart?)

    2) XC3 integrated steer looks different in the SI assembly. 2007 version has a top cap too?

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    I don't think either have changed...

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    Nice to see the Al Rush in BTC color again, best color ever IMO
    Obviously Cdale didn't lost too much time choosing colors this year, esp with the carbon Rush: cheap route again???

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    oh, so much *****in in here. we are too spoilt. ;-)

    how many percent of spesh or giant bikes are made in the us..? right, that few eh.

    well, i do have to agree that the prophet looks kinda over it right now. it just looks soooooooooo much better with a lefty. the big tubing on the prophet just makes the fox look like a r7, meaning kinda like nicole richie compared to areatha franklin, again meaning no good. but, time will tell. i'm thinking something even better will follow. so the guy with the prophet 2000, hang around and i'll tell you i told you so.. hehe.

    edit: perioeci, jeez - a little harsh no? hehe. the r7 is a nice fork, but it's just so skinny looking. and that's what the fox 32 looks like to me, too skinny. it's a nice fork and all, but it just looks outta place on a prophet. it will prob do the job though. i just prefer lefty.

    edit 2: and yes, the prophet now has floats. does anybody know if these are custom tuned or regular off the shelves floats? if the latter i have to try a bit more with mine before i sell it.

    other than that, thanks for posting the catalog. big pat on the back. good job. personally i think cannondale has done a fine job with the new offering, with the possible exception of the prophet which is more like ok, c- kinda thing. hehe. also, i think "killing" the prophet is the way to go, split it into two bikes. makes perfect sense to me. i want more travel because i like lots of travel, but a perp is overkill for me i think. a prophet with 160mm travel and the same geometry, aka sitting position as the current, would be a really nice bike. never tried on, but doesn't a mx with fox36s up front get too high up front?

    so if anybody at cannondale is reading this, big pat on the back. i really like what i'm seeing here. just speed up on the prophet revival eh? hehe. or maybe not. i'm satisfied with my prophet as it is right now and can't afford a new bike so maybe wait another year yes? hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klinkekule
    the big tubing on the prophet just makes the fox look like a r7, meaning kinda like nicole richie compared to areatha franklin, again meaning no good.
    I think we all agree that the meaning of your comparison did not need clarification. I wish that stupid whore (and Paris) would just disappear. I think the last person to deserve as much loathing as those two was Hitler.

    Anyway, someone posted geo. numbers for the Scalpel either here or in the other thread. Can that person tell me: Were those numbers taken from the catalog? Have they been verified? A 74 degree SA sounds silly, especially if they haven't shortened the top tube.

    Edit: Never mind, I see them now. MTBR seems to be logging me out randomly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    You guys f'ing kill me. The only thing you might have gotten right is corporate. Yes Cannondale is a bike Company, that needs to support 600 plus employees and thousands of bikes shops and hundreds of thousands of customers. Is there a crime in making a product that can keep Cannondale in bike shops and allow the company to run from now into the future?
    Whyís that? So some loyal Cannondale customerís are showing concern. Concern for the direction that Cannondale seems to be heading in. Keep in mind you are in the Cannondale section. Cannondale like Harley-Davidson, and Jeep to name a few, command a unique brand loyalty based on its innovation and home-grown roots. Most of that loyalty comes from a company the lead the way in system integration and boastís of Handmade in the USA bikes. Mainstays of the company character for decades. Both of which, at least in 2008, Cannondale sees fit to reduce or eliminate.

    No itís not a crime to manufacture cheap Taiwanese cooker-cutter models just like the other thousandís of bike manufactures do. But that is something that always set Cannondale apart from other bike manufactures. The fact they didnít produce the cheap junk.

    Cannondale is a business. A business must make a profit. I get it. But this year itís just the low-end models that are outsourced. Whatís the harm? Whatís the risk you ask? (Ask the manufacturing associates in PA.) Well for starters, if the bean counters see huge number of sales of the overseas bikes this year, whatís to say they donít take the whole thing over there?? You donít think Cannondale management has this mapped out as a potential business model in the coming years?? Take the Rush for example. For 2008, they added lower end carbon's (non-usa bike). And only offer the lefty speed bonded on the Rush 4. You want the upper-end lefty, Cannondale hijack's you into the Chinese carbon model. Get it? We're loosing out on customer choice.

    Maybe in 2009, a few more higher end models head over there. . .until finally nothing. No choice at all. You want a Cannondale you get Taiwanese Cannondale, you get Chinese Cannondale. You want a bike sourced from the USA; then you switch brands.

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    well' we've had this discussion before and can continue it in the bin in the other post, not here.

    and well, it's a sad thing if peolpe's consumers confidence in american brands are so low that the moment something is outsourced one believes the entire production is going down that route. the taurines are made in the us no, as well as the super and system six. cannondale has recently reemerged on the carbonoffering front and needs time and money to build the knowhow to massproduce that kinda bikes. correct me if i'm wrong but they have never before produced 7 carbon based or partly carbon based frames have they? soon to be nine? what i see is that what started out as carbon based bikes being made in the far east, as other manufactures, read the synapse, they now try to bring as much as that production as possible back to their core production facility in the us. have spesh or any other big time manufacturer tried to do that? not that i know of.

    so, if the carbon, none us made rushes ain't your cup of tea buy on and an american made alu version and sell all the bits and pieces you don't like on ebay. you'll prob end up ehead unless you want all the.. no, you'll prob end up ahead if you're good anyway.

    cannondale has an are still promoting made in the us as one of their core values. it is thus lightly that they will try to facilitate that as the largest possible component of their production model. sure, i might be wrong, but if they end up like spesh they'll loose their core following and their brand image and time will tell if that's more important to them than us, or the us based customers.

    for me the important part when getting a bike is the craftmanship and a vendor backing its product with warrenties. so far cannondale has both down, so i'm not complaining.

    but from a marketing point of view what cannondale has done here is perhaps not the best choice. it seems like they've made the classic outta brand image mistake, like when audi made the a2, mercedes made the a class etc etc. perhaps in hinsight they should've made their lower end bikes under a different name, but then again doesn't they try to make em more affordable so people can afford a cannondale? classic damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    ok, az1jeff, let's leave it at that eh? if not, let's start another post. i just don't see what all the fuss is about. we have some hard core norwegian brands over here, but while most of their goods are produced outside of norway i'm still willing to pay a premium for their goods because i know they haven't cut any corners and will back it up if i come into trouble.

    and last but not least, i think it's sad to see people like you so infuriated or alienated by cannondales approaches to the current marked. let's hope it changes for the better so discussions like these can be a thing of the past and we can all ride our single track and be happy as can be.

    nb: sorry for contradicting myself and continuing with the discussion ;-)

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    I'm pretty sure the first carbon Cannondales were being made in Asia because the US Cannondale factory wasn't ready and didn't had what it takes to build such bikes in such quantities. Synapse is asian made, Taurine and Carbon Rush too. The idea was to get the products out to consumers sooner rather than to save money and of course, getting rid of the staff in Bethel and Bedford was never in question. If they had waited for the US factory to be ready, there would have been no Taurines and Carbon Rush last year... Now the US factory has the equipment, personnel and all is in place to make good carbon frames efficiently so they are introducing US made carbon frames. The new Carbon Scalpel is US made, System and Super Six are too...

    Cannondale wont go to a full Asian production ŗ la Specialized anytime soon. In fact, Cannondale is still the major US bike company who has the most bikes made in the US. Specialized? 100% Asia, Trek? Only the very top end bikes are US made. Even smaller boutique-style brands are going to Asia more and more. Look at Santa Cruz, every year their ratio of Asian made bike to US made bike gets higher... And at least, Cannondale bikes with the 'made in the US' decals are really made in the US, some companies have their bikes made in Asia but assemble them here and they think it's good enough to write 'made in the US/Canada' on them...

    A lot of people are complaining and *****ing Cannondale right now but I don't think anyone should panic. The bikes are great, the company is going well, employees are not loosing their jobs... And if you think it's such a crime that Cannondale wants to grow their part of the market by having lower priced Asian made bikes and that you are so afraid that they are going to end up in Asia all the way (which is not on the agenda by the way), are run by the devil and so on.... well, go ahead and buy something else.

    Cannondale still makes the best bikes on the market IMO, the company is going well and will be here for a long time to surprise us with stunning bikes, innovative designs and products we have no clue about. In a year, a lot of people that complain now that the Prophet line is weak will have their jaws open, dripping on their keyboards and wont even remember the Prophet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by klinkekule
    ok, az1jeff, let's leave it at that eh? if not, let's start another post. i just don't see what all the fuss is about. we have some hard core norwegian brands over here, but while most of their goods are produced outside of norway i'm still willing to pay a premium for their goods because i know they haven't cut any corners and will back it up if i come into trouble.

    and last but not least, i think it's sad to see people like you so infuriated or alienated by cannondales approaches to the current marked. let's hope it changes for the better so discussions like these can be a thing of the past and we can all ride our single track and be happy as can be.

    nb: sorry for contradicting myself and continuing with the discussion ;-)
    klinkekule,

    Before I say this, I want you to know, no offense, and no disrespect intended in any way to you and I mean that. That said, you are not an American. You can't truely know what that 'ol Handmand in the USA stands for. Just like I can't speak for Norwegian brands.

    If you make your way over here to the states, I'll show you there's no hard feelings. We'll do some riding on our sweet Prescott trails. Then have a beer or four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    A lot of people are complaining and *****ing Cannondale right now but I don't think anyone should panic. The bikes are great, the company is going well, employees are not loosing their jobs... And if you think it's such a crime that Cannondale wants to grow their part of the market by having lower priced Asian made bikes and that you are so afraid that they are going to end up in Asia all the way (which is not on the agenda by the way), are run by the devil and so on.... well, go ahead and buy something else.
    Run by the devil? I don't see any hidden subliminal devil worship messages in the word C a n n o n d a l e. You know something we don't??

    You need have your mojo mind reader checked for calibration. .Afraid? Buy something else? Who said all that?? Not until they sell out completely. And according to you that won't happen. Hope you're right. Guess we'll see. Right?

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    Dan, that post was beautiful. I did not know a lot of what you said. Thank you for clearing up the confusion with the Carbon / Asia deal. I'm glad that they are sticking to the US of A. Although I'm not too happy with my DLR2 right now, it is VERY upsetting to see the 140 gone. That made the bike. In my opinion, the paint jobs this year aren't as impressive as in previous years, but I'm sure they will grow on me. And, where are the 130 / 160 trail carbon Prophets?
    That new Scalpel better be better than the old version...which kicked @$$. The fastest bike with absolutely spot on geometry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klinkekule
    well' we've had this discussion before and can continue it in the bin in the other post, not here. ;-)
    I agree. Much have been said about USA VS ASIA, and we also have seen a very unpleasant scenario in that thread.

    Many may see Cannondale more than just a brand, and that happens for almost any brand in the world, just about everything. Bikes are mostly about passion, so it may be very easy to get confused about what's important or not concerning a certain brand and its products. With Cannondale, which is still USA handbuilt, it is even stronger, and the fans understand that as quality or differential point compared to other brands. But that quality is not because it's handbuilt or machine crafted, and is independent to the country it's made. It's a something intrinsic to the brand. A Cannondale is good because it's a Cannondale. I think that many people in Europe, be that England, Germany, Portugal or Spain should see as an advantage a product made over there, and that may correspond to any other contry or region in the world. If Cannondale had a plant on every country and handmade the bikes to be sold on those countries, they would respect a common QC, because it's Cannondale standard. So that tangible quality is something that comes with every Cannondale, not from its country of origin.

    Carbon Rushes come from Taiwan, and they have a GOOD reason for that. They have technology and - yes - more affordable production for a Super High Tech Frame as the Carbon Rush frame, and that is already pretty expensive, even with the lesser costs of production, so imagine it being produced in the USA, where the new frame should demand new machines and a new production line. Maybe Dan can confirm, think I read that in his blog, but the System Six and the New Scalpel are being made in the USA, but those are competition bikes, and ULTRA EXPENSIVE racing-only, one purpose machines. But there's a reason for that. The costs for those who seek top professional products are irrelevant because those who buy these products understand better the costs of production of these bikes. But the Joe Biker and Cycling Jane, they want a good and smooth ride, but a ride their money can reach. Some can do more, some less. And Cannondale aims for everyone who enjoys a good and smooth ride.

    I know that I myself ended making some statements about the USA VS ASIA discussion, but I don't fight against or for one or another side. I defend Cannondale, which is responsible for the exceptional bikes we ride. Wherever they are made.

    So let's discuss about Cannondale, about bikes. And let them do their jobs. Ours is to ride.
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    Thanks for that cdalemaniac, I have been waiting for the F29 specs for a while. I am also after a CAAD9- could you put up the specs for it? (there are a few guys on the roadbikereview.com forums that wouldnt mind seeing the caad9 and systemsix specs). Also, do you have access to the price list?

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    So no Lefty Max any more... I hope there will be parts available. Ok, C'dale, I agree dumping the Lefty Max, but why don't you build a Lefty DH instead? Imagine a Perp with a 180mm Lefty...probably the best bike of the world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    Thanks for that cdalemaniac, I have been waiting for the F29 specs for a while. I am also after a CAAD9- could you put up the specs for it? (there are a few guys on the roadbikereview.com forums that wouldnt mind seeing the caad9 and systemsix specs). Also, do you have access to the price list?
    You're welcome! The specs of all bikes should be there though. If I'm not mistaken the Supersix and CAAD9 are on the 2nd spec. sheet on the right hand side, middle of the page. I don't have any prices as of yet... If I should get them I'll post them right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laregie
    Hello Cdalemaniac,

    Can you make un pdf file of the catalog please ?
    I'm always having trouble with pdf....that's the reason I made JPEG files so it'll be easier for everybody to access them. Since I can't convert them into PDF (dunno how to do that) I'd have to scan everything again.... I'll try my best though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    I'm always having trouble with pdf....that's the reason I made JPEG files so it'll be easier for everybody to access them. Since I can't convert them into PDF (dunno how to do that) I'd have to scan everything again.... I'll try my best though...
    Use pdfcreator for example

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    The specs of all bikes should be there though. If I'm not mistaken the Supersix and CAAD9 are on the 2nd spec. sheet on the right hand side, middle of the page.
    Sorry, I meant component specification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afie
    Sorry, I meant component specification.
    Component specifications are next to every bike posted.
    Might be a lil' hard to read since the resolution is a bit low.
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    New question here. What's the Deal?

    I am confused. does the Cannondale Hollowgram BB30SL have 3 or 2 chain rings, and what is the size?

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    I picked up one this weekend; Sunshine in Fairfax, CA has them if any locals are reading this. The Perps look sweet. The Gemini is obviously killed; too bad as I liked that model. What a gay cover though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Now the US factory has the equipment, personnel and all is in place to make good carbon frames efficiently so they are introducing US made carbon frames. The new Carbon Scalpel is US made, System and Super Six are too...
    ...
    Then my hope is that we see a USA version of the carbon Rush next year, if Cannondale is truely ramping up their carbon manufacturing here. I'll be first on the list for a US made carbon Rush. . Sign me up for one of those. . .


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    New question here. I'm not quite sure.

    I think its 2 but I'm not sure. so, is there 2 or 3 chain rings on the hollowgram BB30SL I really don't like only 2 chain rings, so i hope I'm wrong and its 3.

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    What's the weight?

    I know the New scalpel is light but how much does the thing weigh? I think c-dale should list the weights. It's not that hard.

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    The crank's spider can be changed, there will be 2 rings, 5 bolts 94mm BCD spiders with 29/44 rings and there are 3 rings, 4 bolts 104mm BCD spiders with 22/32/44 rings. The Team replicas will come with the 29/44 spiders but the 22/32/44 can be bought separatly (or traded easily as the demand is high for the 29/44 since they haven't been available for a few years now).

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    Look at all the companies that give weight figures, they are almost never true and then everybody complains that they are wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    The crank's spider can be changed, there will be 2 rings, 5 bolts 94mm BCD spiders with 29/44 rings and there are 3 rings, 4 bolts 104mm BCD spiders with 22/32/44 rings. The Team replicas will come with the 29/44 spiders but the 22/32/44 can be bought separatly (or traded easily as the demand is high for the 29/44 since they haven't been available for a few years now).
    Thanks. I really wanted to know. Thanks again.

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    Your right.

    Good point. Still it would be cool if they listed 2008 bike weights. I found 2007 bike weights hidden on the web page.
    Look on my page for a link. (2007 Bike Weights)
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    compatibility

    I would like to know if i can change my 3 chainrings from a 2006 taurine si carbon crank to the 2 rings version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelefiorentin
    I would like to know if i can change my 3 chainrings from a 2006 taurine si carbon crank to the 2 rings version.

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    The carbon crank has it's spider built in, so you can run only two chainrings by just taking off the small one but then the smallest middle ring available for the 4 bolts 104 BCD is a 30T and the chainline wont be as good...

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    bearing upgrade

    ok, never mind for the 2 chainring upgrade with my carmon crank, but can i upgrade the bearings to ceramic??

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    Quote Originally Posted by michelefiorentin
    ok, never mind for the 2 chainring upgrade with my carmon crank, but can i upgrade the bearings to ceramic??

    thanks

    Yes you can upgrade your bearings. But I wouldn't bother until the current ones are worn out.

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    What!!

    I Was just looking at the Prophet, WTF!! They killed it!!!!! I thought at first all they had done was gotten rid of the lefty Max , but I was wrong. They down graded it like crazy!!!! The paint jobs suck too. Last years Prophets were much better!!! That pisses me off that they would do that. Still, The new scalpel is awesome. At least they did a great job on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakobie
    I Was just looking at the Prophet, WTF!! They killed it!!!!! I thought at first all they had done was gotten rid of the lefty Max , but I was wrong. They down graded it like crazy!!!! The paint jobs suck too. Last years Prophets were much better!!! That pisses me off that they would do that. Still, The new scalpel is awesome. At least they did a great job on that.
    Why would it piss you off? Maybe they are giving people with less money an opportunity to have an awesome bike? Besides, rumors and even some facts lead to 2 new late entry models that will be plenty expensive for all the people that are mad that Cannondale was trying to make affordable bikes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakobie
    Good point. Still it would be cool if they listed 2008 bike weights. I found 2007 bike weights hidden on the web page.
    Look on my page for a link. (2007 Bike Weights)

    where's the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper_xl
    where's the link?
    2007 Cannondale weights

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    A Canadian lecturing on Handmade in USA

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    CANADA??? You're from Canada? It all makes perfect sense now about where you stand in defense of Cannondale about the outsourcing and the whole Handmade in the USA thing.

    You're not an American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper_xl
    where's the link?
    My link is on the page before. Or you can just use the link below.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Sorry

    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    Why would it piss you off? Maybe they are giving people with less money an opportunity to have an awesome bike? Besides, rumors and even some facts lead to 2 new late entry models that will be plenty expensive for all the people that are mad that Cannondale was trying to make affordable bikes...
    Sorry about that. You probably not believe me but that was my friend, Colin, using my account. I personally like all prophets.

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