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    Bent Lefty?

    Came across Rush that noticably leans/pulls to the right when ridden no handed. I have measured everything I can think to check and can't track down the culprit. I fear the problem may lay in the fork but, like the vast majority, I have little experince with Leftys. I'm looking for some guidance on what I should be looking at to try the eliminate the fork as a possible problem.

    Edit: For any googlers that may be reading. It is unlikly for a Lefty to be bent if it still cycles smoothly. If you have a problem riding no handed this is common for Lefty riders, check you frame aligmant and your wheel dish, but if that checks out it is likely atributed to cable housing length/routing or the slight weight inbalance caused by the single sided fork. Feel free to continue reading if you like pointless internet argueing about forum points.
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    If it were bent enough to be an issue (highly unlikely) it would not cycle through the stroke smoothly, if at all.

    Numerous threads on riding Leftys no handed. You are not the first to have issues, and the reasons for it are multitudinous. At the end of the day though, none are caused by a bent fork....
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    I'm sorry, but "simply unhelpful"?

    I gave you solid info on what would happen if it were bent, so you can rest easily that it isn't, unless of course, it is binding or feeling like crap, in which case, you now know you have a problem that should be investigated more deeply.

    If your implication is that I ought to be spending half an hour digging up all the various and sundry threads for you (while you sit there waiting sipping a beer) about the various issues folks run into, that include things like cable housing being too long, wheel not dished, etc?

    Then perhaps try simply asking for more info. It not my, or anyone elses job here to serve everything up on a plate to you, or anyone else, and if you must know I was short on time last night, but didn't want to leave your question hanging.

    Considering how much time I give freely answering questions about Leftys and Headshocks, almost every day since joining in 2005, I'd think I should be given a little leeway now and then.

    Neg repping me for not teaching you how to search the internet is the epitome of lazy.

    I'd be humorous and do a "Let me Google that for you" link, but this thread isn't worth any more of my time....
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    Its a sad sad world.....im neg repping him just cause he pissed off Mendon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine4321 View Post
    Its a sad sad world.....im neg repping him just cause he pissed off Mendon.
    You guys wanna be alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I'm sorry, but "simply unhelpful"?

    I gave you solid info on what would happen if it were bent, so you can rest easily that it isn't, unless of course, it is binding or feeling like crap, in which case, you now know you have a problem that should be investigated more deeply.

    If your implication is that I ought to be spending half an hour digging up all the various and sundry threads for you (while you sit there waiting sipping a beer) about the various issues folks run into, that include things like cable housing being too long, wheel not dished, etc?

    Then perhaps try simply asking for more info. It not my, or anyone elses job here to serve everything up on a plate to you, or anyone else, and if you must know I was short on time last night, but didn't want to leave your question hanging.

    Considering how much time I give freely answering questions about Leftys and Headshocks, almost every day since joining in 2005, I'd think I should be given a little leeway now and then.

    Neg repping me for not teaching you how to search the internet is the epitome of lazy.

    I'd be humorous and do a "Let me Google that for you" link, but this thread isn't worth any more of my time....
    Very professional for a guy plugging his(?) shop with every post.

    Like I said, I have measured and checked everything I have the means too. The fork, which I'm unfamiliar with, was the only thing I didn't/couldn't. I posted looking for help with it and got dismissed.

    If you have any advice on Cannondale/Lefty specific things I sould check THAT would be helpful. Actually this flame post was more helpful then the first.

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    He helps so many of us with advice that he could clearly keep to him self. But he is always giving pointers and advice on how to fix things he could ge getting paid to fix.

    What part of, "if its bent it probably wouldnt cycle" did you not understand? He just told you that the problem is likely else where. My bike pulls to the left, why, because I have a brake line that is to long. Oh thats right he mentioned that could be the issue. Oh, he also said that it could be a dishing issue with the wheel, after having my wheel dished it improved the left pull. Again a helpful bit of advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine4321 View Post
    He helps so many of us with advice that he could clearly keep to him self. But he is always giving pointers and advice on how to fix things he could ge getting paid to fix.

    What part of, "if its bent it probably wouldnt cycle" did you not understand? He just told you that the problem is likely else where. My bike pulls to the left, why, because I have a brake line that is to long. Oh thats right he mentioned that could be the issue. Oh, he also said that it could be a dishing issue with the wheel, after having my wheel dished it improved the left pull. Again a helpful bit of advice.
    I got that, but saying "it's something else" simply isn't helpful. If you re-read my original post that I had narrowed it down to, what I though was, the fork but I was open to other possibilities (preferably Cannondale related given the location for the post). And if you re-read my last post you will see that I gave him credit for being more helpful in his other post.

    I'm glad he has been able to help you with your issues but if he wants to get paid he should try being more professional, or being more helpful.

    Either way I still have a bike with an issue, and have learned that you guys don't care to help. Thanks, I'll get back to you if I figure it out.

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    Bent Lefty?

    Try to move your saddle a tad more to the right. That fixed my bike always pulling left right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I got that, but saying "it's something else" simply isn't helpful. If you re-read my original post that I had narrowed it down to, what I though was, the fork but I was open to other possibilities (preferably Cannondale related given the location for the post). And if you re-read my last post you will see that I gave him credit for being more helpful in his other post.

    I'm glad he has been able to help you with your issues but if he wants to get paid he should try being more professional, or being more helpful.

    Either way I still have a bike with an issue, and have learned that you guys don't care to help. Thanks, I'll get back to you if I figure it out.
    Your original post was to eliminate the fork as the culprit or source of the problem, and he did. Also let you know there were other threads out there to look for which may contain the answer to your issue. You gave 0 information to even use to troubleshoot the issue. He addressed the one thing you actually mentioned in your post. It's not like he said "I don't know" then told you go F yourself and locked the thread or banned you. Of course we all know hindsight is 20/20...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    Your original post was to eliminate the fork as the culprit or source of the problem, and he did. Also let you know there were other threads out there to look for which may contain the answer to your issue. You gave 0 information to even use to troubleshoot the issue. He addressed the one thing you actually mentioned in your post. It's not like he said "I don't know" then told you go F yourself and locked the thread or banned you. Of course we all know hindsight is 20/20...
    To dismiss something is not the same as eliminating it.

    Let me be more clear. I have a Cannondale Rush, not sure what year it's kinda brown with reflective decals, I'll go look it up on vintagecannondale if it really matters. When it is ridden no handed on flat level ground it seems to lean and steer to the right. I have dished, trued, and tensioned both wheels, checked frame alignment with the Park frame and dropout alignment gauges and the "string of truth", inspected the suspension pivots and shock bushings, confirmed the crankset and bottom bracket installation, inspected the seat and post, installed new pedals, replaced the headset bearings, had two other mechanics check the alignment of the stem, inspected the bars for damage, changed out the cables and housing correcting the length where needed and still the bike seems to lean. Also, and I don't think these would have anything to do with the issue, I have bled the brakes, refilled the tires with sealant and replaced the rear valve, checked the cassette and chain for wear, filed down some burs on the big chaining, adjusted both derailers, adjusted the reach on the right brake lever, and rotated the grips. The fork seems to function fine other then a small amount of oil near the top of the boot, and was rebuilt about a year ago, but I'm told the problem existed before that service.

    The process of deduction leads me to believe that the problem either lives in the fork, a part that I am admittedly unfamiliar with, or there is something about this particular bike that I'm not seeing that I hope other people with the same bike, or with similar bikes from the same manufacturer, could clue me into.

    Ideas?

    I'd also like to say that I have no clue who MAC is, or why I should care, but he seems to be the big fish in this little pond so maybe I should assume he speaks for everybody and the general consensus is that the fork is fine and I should go ask elsewhere.

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    One of your arms is longer than the other? Only joking. ;-)

    Just a few checks. You say that you have Dished both wheels. Did you use a genuine C'dale truing axle? Was the front wheel out of dish at all when you checked?

    There is very little on a Lefty that would actually bend without some very very impact. It is not typically a fork that would bend just a little bit. If your Lefty is bent in any way you would see some sign of the damage and your fork would not allow full travel.

    I have seen wheels totalled and frames fail with head on crashes, but with the Lefty coming out unscathed.

    What I have found is that fitting a longer travel Lefty to a bike, than what it is designed to have, emphasizes the small amount of correction required to ride no handed. Do you know what length travel you have on your fork?

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    Used a QCTL108 dummy axle with a Park ts-2. Front wheel was quite far to the right actually, I got it to within 1mm and correcting it made a noticeable difference but did not solve the issue.

    Looking through old catalogs makes me think it's a 2006 Rush 2000 in Mocha Brown with, what appears to be, the stock 110mm carbon DLR2.

    I may play with cable length and routing but I have never had this much feedback caused by cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    To dismiss something is not the same as eliminating it.
    You're reading it wrong

    Let me be more clear.
    You should have been from the start

    The process of deduction leads me to believe that the problem either lives in the fork, a part that I am admittedly unfamiliar with, or there is something about this particular bike that I'm not seeing that I hope other people with the same bike, or with similar bikes from the same manufacturer, could clue me into.
    The principles aren't much different than a regular fork. A thingy attaches to the bike, has some parts that slide in and out, and then attaches to the wheel.

    Ideas?
    Yes, but I don't want to reward you for being an entitled p****

    I'd also like to say that I have no clue who MAC is, or why I should care.
    Me neither. This is the internet, how do you qualify who gives you answers? I guess in Mendon's case you could have clicked the link in his sig....

    My first google result: Lefty pulls to right riding no hands
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    You guys wanna be alone?



    Very professional for a guy plugging his(?) shop with every post.

    Like I said, I have measured and checked everything I have the means too. The fork, which I'm unfamiliar with, was the only thing I didn't/couldn't. I posted looking for help with it and got dismissed.

    If you have any advice on Cannondale/Lefty specific things I sould check THAT would be helpful. Actually this flame post was more helpful then the first.

    Dude,

    While I think that the reputation function is pretty hilarious in and of itself, to take a shot at the guy who has helped more people for free on their lefty's is a pretty low-brow move.

    I suppose one question would be how much no-handed MTB riding one would do anyway? But that's just me being a smart-a$$.

    I also don't think that MCS "plugs" his shop with every post. He helps a lot of people, he owns a shop and due to a lot of good free advice, sure some people send their lefty's in to him to get worked on - because he does good work.

    As for your no-handed riding troubles... Could just as easily be that the frame is misaligned, frankly if the bike really does track incorrectly it's more likely a frame than a fork. Could be wheel dish, could be a tire, could be a brake cable. Could be that your stem isn't lined up properly. Could be that the handlebar isn't centered, or the center of the bar isn't actually proper. Could be a spell that was cast by someone on that frame....


    He is also 100% correct in how he answered your original question. If a lefty was bent, it wouldn't cycle all the way through. Let the air out, cycle it, see if it goes.

    But yeah, negative rep, even if rep is silly to begin with was a d-bag move.

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    As the Lefty turns.........

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    Lefty's suck, id rather a righty...
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    Mendon knows his stuff and he was kind enough to drop some knowledge on you. You pissed someone off who could really help you if you werent a complete dick about it. you dont neg someone because its not what you wanted to hear.

    you could politely ask to elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    Dude,

    While I think that the reputation function is pretty hilarious in and of itself, to take a shot at the guy who has helped more people for free on their lefty's is a pretty low-brow move.

    I also don't think that MCS "plugs" his shop with every post. He helps a lot of people, he owns a shop and due to a lot of good free advice, sure some people send their lefty's in to him to get worked on - because he does good work.

    As for your no-handed riding troubles... Could just as easily be that the frame is misaligned, frankly if the bike really does track incorrectly it's more likely a frame than a fork. Could be wheel dish, could be a tire, could be a brake cable. Could be that your stem isn't lined up properly. Could be that the handlebar isn't centered, or the center of the bar isn't actually proper. Could be a spell that was cast by someone on that frame....


    He is also 100% correct in how he answered your original question. If a lefty was bent, it wouldn't cycle all the way through. Let the air out, cycle it, see if it goes.

    But yeah, negative rep, even if rep is silly to begin with was a d-bag move.

    Feel free to negative rep me all you would like.
    You realize that, like I mentioned, I have no idea who that guy is. I didn't negative rep someone who helps lots of people with their issues, I negative repped an anonymous person who was dismissive towards me. The internet is a big place, I don't know everyone on it. I read his post as nothing more then some random guy saying "its not the fork, go Google it or something" which I found to be simply unhelpful. I guess I could have checked his signature, in which he plugs his shop every time he posts, but honestly I ignore those for the most part. I think people on the internet forget that just because you read what others wrote with the voice in your head we don't know everything else you got up there, like who MCS is.

    And if you read my original post you will see that I mentioned I checked what could, I know I wasn't specific but I would think that most people would assume that would, and did, include frame alignment. Also that I asked for general ideas, again Cannondale related given the sub forum, that I may be missing. Maybe I should have chosen a more vauge title, but in my mind, having checked almost everything else, the problem probably lay with the fork.

    Lastly, and I'm no expert, but I would bet you could tweak and "crown" or "steering knuckle" and the fork would still cycle fine, which this one does. Although I'm not saying it's likely or the case here.

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    Just got an email from Tim @ Twosix Labs. Seems as this is a common complaint with Lefty users. His take is that if all other culprits have checked out that it probably comes down to cables pushing the bars or the slight weight imbalance. If the bike rides fine with otherwise most people live with it.

    Now that was simply helpful .

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    the problem is your big head and all those brain injuries, dude. don't neg rep me, I have a caliper and I know how to use it!

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    Amazing. You were given the same advice as the first guy. And your taking his advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by machine4321 View Post
    Amazing. You were given the same advice as the first guy. And your taking his advice
    Come off it. Read the first response to the thread and tell me what "advice" you see. Where as the same question to one other person and I have a satisfactory conclusion, all in fewer words then the first guy used to tell me to buzz off. Thanks anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I got that, but saying "it's something else" simply isn't helpful. If you re-read my original post that I had narrowed it down to, what I though was, the fork but I was open to other possibilities (preferably Cannondale related given the location for the post). And if you re-read my last post you will see that I gave him credit for being more helpful in his other post.

    I'm glad he has been able to help you with your issues but if he wants to get paid he should try being more professional, or being more helpful.

    Either way I still have a bike with an issue, and have learned that you guys don't care to help. Thanks, I'll get back to you if I figure it out.
    Whos getting paid here to give advice? he is giving you his time free of charge and your whinging its not good enough, you sound like your part of the new generation that wants others to fix their problems, your sounding like a spoilt only child, pull your head in.
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    I've debated whether or not to wander back in here, and I thank all those who realize I wasn't being a dismissive jerk, I appreciate it.

    The OP asked a question, and I responded, and, as it was, I was the first response he got. If I can, I try to hop in quickly on these sorts of things since I do have a good handle on them generally, so I felt a bit of urgency in responding, despite not having time to post a lengthy missive.

    Do recall, the internet is a big place, and folks respond from every time zone on the planet. It might have been lunch time where you are, but it could well have been past my bedtime, or, as it happened, I was heading out for a night ride in about 5 minutes, and didn't want to hold my buddies up.

    I have no idea what he was expecting, but apparently, he didn't get it from me. It's really too bad he didn't simply ask for more information, which I'd happily have given when I had more time.

    My general experience with this, and many other forums is, a question is posted, and folks respond. Some with useful information, some with wise remarks, some with useless info, some with downright incorrect info. Rarely does one person come in, answer the whole thing right then and there, and the thread ends. These things are conversations, many going on for pages, as the information unfolds, comes to the surface, and gels into a comprehensive answer.

    It is the OP's job to take that information, and ask questions of those who seemed to best come close to what they were after.

    If an OP takes the time to neg rep everyone who gives info that they do not think is exactly what they want, they are simply making themselves look bad to the community, and wasting their own time in the process. Nobody really puts much stock the rep system anyway, it's more of a you pat my back I'll pat yours kind of thing.

    Why you (op) felt that my telling you that if the fork cycles fully and smoothly, that it is likely not bent, is not a piece of solid info, I can't say, but that was what you asked for clarification on, and I gave it to you. The additional issues can be found in multiple threads, as I also said, and most of it is minor stuff that can be dealt with by the end user, as opposed to "oh crap, I need to buy a new fork".

    No one person will always give all the info every time, for whatever reason.

    You got your pants all twisted up for what reason, I'll never know, and your actions were startling to me, in that I bore no malice in my answer, had no agenda, and only desired to help calm your concerns about what you stated as your primary fear, "was the fork bent?"

    I apologize for coming out of the box hot at you in response to your neg rep of me, but honestly, you misread my post, it's intentions, and insulted me with your actions regarding your mistake.

    In closing, just stop. Stop saying I shill my shop and services with every post. It makes you look really silly. If you spend enough time stalking me, you'd know what a load of bull that is.

    Forum rules prohibit it for one thing, and second, shops, businesses and other folks in the industry are asked to state their affiliations plainly so as to make it obvious that we are not just some Joe Biker, but in the industry.

    Thirdly, I go an extra step, and have my shop name as my screen name, so that all my actions, words, etc, are patently mine, I do not hide behind some ridiculous screen name. When you start posting as your given name, you will be as honest as I. Till then, you're just another anonymous internet user, spouting incendiary trash like some keyboard ninja.

    I've operated here for quite a while and never have received so much as a talking to from the Supers or admins for the way I conduct myself, and go out of my way to tell folks with issues to find a good local shop, to seek the service provider they wish to deal with etc, I never, ever just pop in and say, send me your fork, I'll fix it, or hey, drop me a line, I'll undercut that guys price, whatever.

    Again, I apologize for getting upset and getting snarky, and I hope you can realize that you alone, are the reason this thread went sideways not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I've debated whether or not to wander back in here, and I thank all those who realize I wasn't being a dismissive jerk, I appreciate it.

    The OP asked a question, and I responded, and, as it was, I was the first response he got. If I can, I try to hop in quickly on these sorts of things since I do have a good handle on them generally, so I felt a bit of urgency in responding, despite not having time to post a lengthy missive.

    Do recall, the internet is a big place, and folks respond from every time zone on the planet. It might have been lunch time where you are, but it could well have been past my bedtime, or, as it happened, I was heading out for a night ride in about 5 minutes, and didn't want to hold my buddies up.

    I have no idea what he was expecting, but apparently, he didn't get it from me. It's really too bad he didn't simply ask for more information, which I'd happily have given when I had more time.

    My general experience with this, and many other forums is, a question is posted, and folks respond. Some with useful information, some with wise remarks, some with useless info, some with downright incorrect info. Rarely does one person come in, answer the whole thing right then and there, and the thread ends. These things are conversations, many going on for pages, as the information unfolds, comes to the surface, and gels into a comprehensive answer.

    It is the OP's job to take that information, and ask questions of those who seemed to best come close to what they were after.

    If an OP takes the time to neg rep everyone who gives info that they do not think is exactly what they want, they are simply making themselves look bad to the community, and wasting their own time in the process. Nobody really puts much stock the rep system anyway, it's more of a you pat my back I'll pat yours kind of thing.

    Why you (op) felt that my telling you that if the fork cycles fully and smoothly, that it is likely not bent, is not a piece of solid info, I can't say, but that was what you asked for clarification on, and I gave it to you. The additional issues can be found in multiple threads, as I also said, and most of it is minor stuff that can be dealt with by the end user, as opposed to "oh crap, I need to buy a new fork".

    No one person will always give all the info every time, for whatever reason.

    You got your pants all twisted up for what reason, I'll never know, and your actions were startling to me, in that I bore no malice in my answer, had no agenda, and only desired to help calm your concerns about what you stated as your primary fear, "was the fork bent?"

    I apologize for coming out of the box hot at you in response to your neg rep of me, but honestly, you misread my post, it's intentions, and insulted me with your actions regarding your mistake.

    In closing, just stop. Stop saying I shill my shop and services with every post. It makes you look really silly. If you spend enough time stalking me, you'd know what a load of bull that is.

    Forum rules prohibit it for one thing, and second, shops, businesses and other folks in the industry are asked to state their affiliations plainly so as to make it obvious that we are not just some Joe Biker, but in the industry.

    Thirdly, I go an extra step, and have my shop name as my screen name, so that all my actions, words, etc, are patently mine, I do not hide behind some ridiculous screen name. When you start posting as your given name, you will be as honest as I. Till then, you're just another anonymous internet user, spouting incendiary trash like some keyboard ninja.

    I've operated here for quite a while and never have received so much as a talking to from the Supers or admins for the way I conduct myself, and go out of my way to tell folks with issues to find a good local shop, to seek the service provider they wish to deal with etc, I never, ever just pop in and say, send me your fork, I'll fix it, or hey, drop me a line, I'll undercut that guys price, whatever.

    Again, I apologize for getting upset and getting snarky, and I hope you can realize that you alone, are the reason this thread went sideways not me.
    If your original post had simple said "if the fork was bent it wouldn't cycle" that would have been more helpful then what you posted. And if you hadn't got butt hurt that is didn't like your unhelpful post this thread probably wouldn't have been derailed. Instead you got pissy that you lost some "points" and publicly called me out.

    At the end of the day I got help elsewhere, and also learned that some people take fake forum points way to personal. I also know I will never recommend or use Mendon Cycle Smiths service, and money is real.

    Also, as you can tell, I have more then enough free time. So feel free to continue to waste yours debating this with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    If your original post had simple said "if the fork was bent it wouldn't cycle" that would have been more helpful then what you posted. And if you hadn't got butt hurt that is didn't like your unhelpful post this thread probably wouldn't have been derailed. Instead you got pissy that you lost some "points" and publicly called me out.

    At the end of the day I got help elsewhere, and also learned that some people take fake forum points way to personal. I also know I will never recommend or use Mendon Cycle Smiths service, and money is real.

    Also, as you can tell, I have more then enough free time. So feel free to continue to waste yours debating this with me.
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    MCS,
    Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge and wisdom pertaining to Leftys, Fat Bikes, and other cool bike goodies. You are one of the main reasons that I'm going to have a Lefty in the not so distant future. Please do not let any of the unthoughtful posts in this thread lead you to write off making helpful comments in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    If your original post had simple said "if the fork was bent it wouldn't cycle" that would have been more helpful then what you posted. And if you hadn't got butt hurt that is didn't like your unhelpful post this thread probably wouldn't have been derailed. Instead you got pissy that you lost some "points" and publicly called me out.

    At the end of the day I got help elsewhere, and also learned that some people take fake forum points way to personal. I also know I will never recommend or use Mendon Cycle Smiths service, and money is real.

    Also, as you can tell, I have more then enough free time. So feel free to continue to waste yours debating this with me.
    Don't visit or post much, but MCS has always been a stand up guy. You, on the other hand are really coming off as a deutche bank.

    In business we all know some customers are not worth the hassle, you clearly would be one of those.

    Your original question just by itself is fairly hilarious, but being upset that someone can't solve it for you over the google machine... even better.

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    I think Mendon will continue to offer his valuable advice and knowledge to this community without hesitation.

    His post was simply misunderstood by the OP and the OP retaliated.

    Mendon's history speaks for itself.....countless hours on a keyboard helping others speaks volumes of his character "unselfish" and a willingness to help and educate.

    If I have a Lefty specific question in the future , I'll be looking for Mendon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    If your original post had simple said "if the fork was bent it wouldn't cycle" that would have been more helpful then what you posted. And if you hadn't got butt hurt that is didn't like your unhelpful post this thread probably wouldn't have been derailed. Instead you got pissy that you lost some "points" and publicly called me out.

    At the end of the day I got help elsewhere, and also learned that some people take fake forum points way to personal. I also know I will never recommend or use Mendon Cycle Smiths service, and money is real.

    Also, as you can tell, I have more then enough free time. So feel free to continue to waste yours debating this with me.
    Rarely on this forum can a member look worse and worse in every post he makes, congrats, you have managed to pull this rare feat off, honestly youve got to be kidding, Mendon said in his very first post, quote '' if it was bent at all (highly unlikely) it would not cycle through the stroke smoothly, if at all'' HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT TO WHAT YOU WANTED HIM TO SAY, quote '' If the fork was bent it wouldnt cycle'' you must be taking the piss here, you have an inability to view yourself from the outside, you are the only person thats ''lost points'' here, you also called him out first, not the other way round.
    Do you think he cares that your not going to use his business lol, who would want a customer like you, your the exact type of customer that no body wants in their business.
    I dont wanna hurt your feelings but seriously have you ever had your mental health evaluated, if not i really think its long overdue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    Just got an email from Tim @ Twosix Labs. Seems as this is a common complaint with Lefty users. His take is that if all other culprits have checked out that it probably comes down to cables pushing the bars or the slight weight imbalance. If the bike rides fine with otherwise most people live with it.

    Now that was simply helpful .
    What's your email to him say? Did you include more details this time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Rarely on this forum can a member look worse and worse in every post he makes, congrats, you have managed to pull this rare feat off, honestly youve got to be kidding, Mendon said in his very first post, quote '' if it was bent at all (highly unlikely) it would not cycle through the stroke smoothly, if at all'' HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT TO WHAT YOU WANTED HIM TO SAY, quote '' If the fork was bent it wouldnt cycle'' you must be taking the piss here, you have an inability to view yourself from the outside, you are the only person thats ''lost points'' here, you also called him out first, not the other way round.
    Do you think he cares that your not going to use his business lol, who would want a customer like you, your the exact type of customer that no body wants in their business.
    I dont wanna hurt your feelings but seriously have you ever had your mental health evaluated, if not i really think its long overdue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    What's your email to him say? Did you include more details this time?
    Nope, pretty much a copy of my first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    Nope, pretty much a copy of my first post.
    So same info, same answer with even less words and you didn't find him dismissive? Makes sense to me.
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    reputation points and comments should be like Fight Club- you don't talk about them. This is why. If you use them, prepare to face the wrath of a persecuted person who feels it was unwarranted. Granted, the offending rep point was probably uncalled-for, but this discussion went off the rails quickly. when you use neg rep for all but the most egregious offenses, you always end up looking like a vindictive dick. when you call someone out in public for it, you look like a self-righteous dick. then we get out the popcorn and watch you duke it out over rep points.

    in summary:
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    Like I said, I have measured and checked everything I have the means too. The fork, which I'm unfamiliar with, was the only thing I didn't/couldn't. I posted looking for help with it and got dismissed.
    He said that the fork would not cycle if it was bent, so you can check that off your list of culprits. not a final answer, but not entirely unhelpful.

    is there any way to check the alignment of the Lefty "axle?" it could be bent or tweaked somehow? that would not affect the movement of the suspension. rig a DAG on it somehow or something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    is there any way to check the alignment of the Lefty "axle?" it could be bent or tweaked somehow? that would not affect the movement of the suspension. rig a DAG on it somehow or something like that?
    If that's the case, I'm good with being a self righteous dick in this case.

    And to answer YOUR thought, nope, any misalignment, twist, or bend that would cause it to be "off", would cause it to bind. Those races and bearings need to be dead straight to run smoothly....
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    I ride with no hands and am a fan of the lefty but it will pull enough for me not to own
    one. I still own a cannondale or two and my brother won't let go of his lefty.
    Good luck with no hand riding it is freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    Big papa nuts- How do you even ride with your head so far up your ass?
    No handed, OBVIOUSLY!

    After rereading this thread I'm convinced that we are basically just argueing about a difference of opinion. MCS tried, I found his attempt unhelpful, he threw a fit, and his boys jumped me for it.

    Keep bumping this thread if you wish to continue the arguement, it think it's obvious at this point I could care less what yall think of me (some anonymous guy on the internet), and at the end of the day, like he said himself, MCS is the only one with anything real at stake here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    So same info, same answer with even less words and you didn't find him dismissive? Makes sense to me.
    Nope, he gave me a few resonable explainations to a problem he hears often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    Nope, he gave me a few resonable explainations to a problem he hears often.
    Come off it. Read the first response to the thread and tell me what "advice" you see. Where as the same question to one other person and I have a satisfactory conclusion, all in fewer words then the first guy used to tell me to buzz off. Thanks anyways.
    You'll have to excuse my confusion. I'm having trouble discerning fact from fiction.
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    You'll have to excuse my confusion. I'm having trouble discerning fact from fiction.
    The fact is big_papa_nuts is a troll and a douchebag that we should all ignore.

    The fiction is that he has big papa nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    So feel free to continue to waste yours debating this with me.
    Thanks for the permission.

    Craig is a top-notch guy who offers an enormous amount of help to Lefty owners, with absolutely no strings attached. None. In the process, he's earned the appreciation and respect of many people. Dissing him was foolish and inappropriate enough. But continuing to do so once you've been told to stop is absurd.

    If you really want to end on a positive note, just apologize for pissing everyone off, and then move along. Maybe Craig will be nice enough to fix your Lefty sometime!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TobyGadd View Post
    Thanks for the permission.

    Craig is a top-notch guy who offers an enormous amount of help to Lefty owners, with absolutely no strings attached. None. In the process, he's earned the appreciation and respect of many people. Dissing him was foolish and inappropriate enough. But continuing to do so once you've been told to stop is absurd.

    If you really want to end on a positive note, just apologize for pissing everyone off, and then move along. Maybe Craig will be nice enough to fix your Lefty sometime!
    I understand that, NOW! You people are basically just mad at me for not knowing everyone who posts here, not respecting someone who may have helped YOU at some point, and finding a post unhelpful.

    Also, I don't own a Lefty. I respect their performance but hate having to deal with silly bs for a bike part.

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    you pissed off the boss of the MTBR Cannondale mafia! now you know your place in the underworld. the last guy who crossed him ended up eating a Lefty with his butt, if you know what I mean. you're lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I understand that, NOW! You people are basically just mad at me for not knowing everyone who posts here, not respecting someone who may have helped YOU at some point, and finding a post unhelpful.

    Also, I don't own a Lefty. I respect their performance but hate having to deal with silly bs for a bike part.
    If you don't own a Lefty, what's all the drama about ?

    I opened that thread to see if I could help and so far all I see is one guy with a question pissing everyone off because he can't get the answer he wants. Dude, you are pissing me off and it's not something many people achieve around here. Please apologize to all these guys and gals who spend their free time trying to help you out if you want to keep posting in here at least. If you're too fired up about this, go buy another bike or fork and enjoy the ride. Like we say around here, fermes ta gueule et vas t'en chez vous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I understand that, NOW! You people are basically just mad at me for not knowing everyone who posts here, not respecting someone who may have helped YOU at some point, and finding a post unhelpful.

    Also, I don't own a Lefty. I respect their performance but hate having to deal with silly bs for a bike part.
    I think what's being missed in all this, is it's not that I require respect because I'm good at a particular thing, or because people like me here, that's silly and not how society as a whole, should work if it were up to me. I don't want to be kowtowed to, at all, that's just weird.

    It's because I'm a person, who gave you a brief, but true answer, and caught sh*t no reason whatsoever beyond you utterly misreading my intent and words. Simply ask for clarification, much better that way in my estimation. If I was then, an asshat to you, you'd know I'm a jerk who doesn't deserve your respect.

    I respect people until it's obvious they don't deserve it, so I guess I anticipate that's how others will treat me.

    If you'd just drop the defensive stance (perhaps even just admit it in your own head that I did give you valid info that you sought), I'd be happy part with a virtual handshake and help you in the future, cause it's what I like to do, make Leftys work better, and their owners, understand them more.....

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    Mendon, on a serious note do you know that 54% of men actually hang to the left, the rest of the 46% hang to the right or just sit out straight in front ? interesting isnt it, i bet you didnt know that about lefties ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I understand that, NOW! You people are basically just mad at me for not knowing everyone who posts here, not respecting someone who may have helped YOU at some point, and finding a post unhelpful.

    Also, I don't own a Lefty. I respect their performance but hate having to deal with silly bs for a bike part.
    You don't get it do you.

    You "came across" a bike that had a lefty took the time to measure it and then take the time ask questions on it, then at the end state you don't have one or want one.

    You then cuss out a forum member who knows his shit, tell him he's wrong and what he is saying isn't right but then edit your opening post with exactly what he told you.

    Your statements are all over the place mate. It all leads to one thing and that is you are completely full of shit. Now piss off stop wasting everyone's time, and shut the door behind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Mendon, on a serious note do you know that 54% of men actually hang to the left, the rest of the 46% hang to the right or just sit out straight in front ? interesting isnt it, i bet you didnt know that about lefties ?
    I'm a right handed lefty hanger, am I fitting the stats ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David C View Post
    I'm a right handed lefty hanger, am I fitting the stats ?
    LOL Dave your a freak of nature, im actually interested to know the percentage of people that own a lefty that actually hang to the left, im willing to bet its higher than 54%, if theres ever a thread that needed a slight derailment, this is it....
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    It's worth noting that I don't own a Lefty fork though... But I do have to move my saddle slightly to the right on my bikes to "accommodate" the lefty stanchion.

    Maybe we should start having lefty/righty hanging specific saddles ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Mendon, on a serious note do you know that 54% of men actually hang to the left, the rest of the 46% hang to the right or just sit out straight in front ? interesting isnt it, i bet you didnt know that about lefties ?
    I'm just glad I like Leftys, and am in the 54%....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I'm just glad I like Leftys, and am in the 54%....

    Oh wait, was that oversharing?
    LOL us Aussies dont know the meaning of oversharing hahaha.

    Mendon ive never ridden a bike with a lefty, i only saw this thread in the latest posts and was interested.

    So this is probably a silly question, but they look pretty fragile to me, but i realise they must be stronger than they look, are they only made for XC ?

    I ride AM and a bit of light urban freeride, i look down at my fox on my reign and get worried its going to break on staircases and drops and it has two sanctions, i realise lefties arnt for this sort of riding, but id be scared even on AM if i rode one it would just snap on a drop and id be over the bars, how strong can a fork with one sanction be?
    How far have you seen these things pushed or are they just for XC riding?
    I gather they are designed purely to drop weight, i cant think of another reason why they would have been designed.
    On to my next question, if they have proven to be great forks and do their jobs will we see other manufacturers make them, could they be the future of mtb?
    And one last question, if you only have one sanction, does that mean because it does all the work, the fork wears out faster than a standard fork?

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    LOL us Aussies dont know the meaning of oversharing hahaha.

    Mendon ive never ridden a bike with a lefty, i only saw this thread in the latest posts and was interested.

    So this is probably a silly question, but they look pretty fragile to me, but i realise they must be stronger than they look, are they only made for XC ?

    I ride AM and a bit of light urban freeride, i look down at my fox on my reign and get worried its going to break on staircases and drops and it has two sanctions, i realise lefties arnt for this sort of riding, but id be scared even on AM if i rode one it would just snap on a drop and id be over the bars, how strong can a fork with one sanction be?
    How far have you seen these things pushed or are they just for XC riding?
    I gather they are designed purely to drop weight, i cant think of another reason why they would have been designed.
    On to my next question, if they have proven to be great forks and do their jobs will we see other manufacturers make them, could they be the future of mtb?
    And one last question, if you only have one sanction, does that mean because it does all the work, the fork wears out faster than a standard fork?

    Warning, please answer my questions the way id like them answered, because if your info is not up to my standards, theres gonna be trouble in this thread
    As for the durability, I'll just share my experience. I've got a 2010 carbon lefty 120mm. I don't do big hucks but I'll do 2' drops. I also ride fairly aggressive and I'm a bigger guy. Usually around 230 geared up. I ride in Northern California/Downiville/Tahoe as a trail reference. So XC/AM. I've broken two frames that this fork has been on but the fork is great and waiting to go on a 3rd frame now.

    Please let me know of this is unsatisfactory before any neg rep. I assure you I am trying to be helpful and will correct and clarify any misinformation upon request.
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    I know of several guys who use them for Urban freeride without trouble.

    Brian Lopes was known to run Dual slalom races and beat the snot out of all comers, on a Lefty.

    The only one I saw seriously damaged, the rider was in the hospital for several weeks, and not due to the fork breaking, it broke, when he broke, shall we say.....

    Sure, they require a knowledgeable mechanic to keep them running, and yes, they are full of proprietary bits, but what isn't nowadays?

    I'd have no reservations suggesting one to you if you were in the market.

    On a side note, in looking for the famous video of Brian Lopes just hammering on his during a slalom run (which I couldn't find, sad to say) I came across this.

    No, I cannot tell if it's bent, but a greater Rube Goldberg device, I don't believe I've ever seen, despite the nice machine work....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    As for the durability, I'll just share my experience. I've got a 2010 carbon lefty 120mm. I don't do big hucks but I'll do 2' drops. I also ride fairly aggressive and I'm a bigger guy. Usually around 230 geared up. I ride in Northern California/Downiville/Tahoe as a trail reference. So XC/AM. I've broken two frames that this fork has been on but the fork is great and waiting to go on a 3rd frame now.

    Please let me know of this is unsatisfactory before any neg rep. I assure you I am trying to be helpful and will correct and clarify any misinformation upon request.
    LOL Cheers Buzz, but that was ''simply unhelpful' can you maybe rewrite it a bit, i wont be buying from your shop mate

    On a serious note, youve broken two frames before your fork, well that says a lot about them, they are obviously designed very well, because there must be a lot of weight and pressure on that one side, incredible stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    I know of several guys who use them for Urban freeride without trouble.

    Brian Lopes was known to run Dual slalom races and beat the snot out of all comers, on a Lefty.

    The only one I saw seriously damaged, the rider was in the hospital for several weeks, and not due to the fork breaking, it broke, when he broke, shall we say.....

    Sure, they require a knowledgeable mechanic to keep them running, and yes, they are full of proprietary bits, but what isn't nowadays?

    I'd have no reservations suggesting one to you if you were in the market.

    On a side note, in looking for the famous video of Brian Lopes just hammering on his during a slalom run (which I couldn't find, sad to say) I came across this.

    No, I cannot tell if it's bent, but a greater Rube Goldberg device, I don't believe I've ever seen, despite the nice

    machine work....
    Well youve just changed the way i view these forks, i never dreamed they would be used by peeps for urban freeride and slalom races, incredible how strong they must be, im amazed.
    Theres just so much sideways force on a wheel, im just amazed that the skewer, where its attached and the one sided fork can handle it, boy was i wrong in my assumptions about these things.
    Love this fork youve just put up, never seen anything like it, thought it looked an 80s job but then i noticed the kore stem and the brakes, that must be in the last decade or two? thats the craziest fork ive ever seen, youd get some interest on that on the trails, thanks for the advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    On a serious note, youve broken two frames before your fork, well that says a lot about them, they are obviously designed very well, because there must be a lot of weight and pressure on that one side, incredible stuff.
    cheers
    All the normal talking points apply here.

    Single sided motorcycle rear ends are quite common, and all air plane landing gear is single sided, as is every wheel on every car I can think of.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    All the normal talking points apply here.

    Single sided motorcycle rear ends are quite common, and all air plane landing gear is single sided, as is every wheel on every car I can think of.....
    Fair points, but most car wheels are pretty wide to take a load off, and theres 4 of them to share the load, and on a plane theres only one force from the bottom all the time on a flat landing, but the motorcycle ones a good comparison.
    Bike tyres have so many forces coming onto them from both sides and the bottom, they really have to deal with some extra ordinary use, maybe im the only one, but from an outsider who knows nothing about them, im just amazed what they can take, its a credit to Cannondales designers back in the day as im aware they've been around for a long time.
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    I have a friend that weighs above 250 and we took it to some knarly places in Arizona (Including Sedona) and handled the drops and everything else. He absolutely loves the fork and wouldn't change it for nothing. Has owned it for 8+ years.

    I just purchased a 2014 Scalpel Carbon 1 (Team) yesterday so I will give a first hand review later. However I am only 170 lbs. I am not expected to really stress this fork to its potential.

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    Don't let the looks of these forks fool you.. they are a helluvalot stronger than they look..

    I have a Lefty Max 140 Carbon that has seen a lot of drops and jumps over the years... it has never complained even once.. I trust it 100% and it has never let me down..

    But don't take my word for it.. Check out Cedric Gracia hammering his Carbon Lefty in 4X races a few years back.. seeing what Cedric could do with his can only inspire confidence in the fork..

    Cedric Gracia - YouTube

    And Cedric doing a backflip with a Carbon Lefty..

    CEDRIC GRACIA BACKFLIP - YouTube
    The names have been changed to protect the innocent...

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    Also...

    I should let it be known that I once crashed into a tree and toasted a SID World Cup fork (slight crack at the bottom of the carbon steerer). So for what its worth when comparing or judging product sometimes we need to understand what the basis and comparisons are against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    I gather they are designed purely to drop weight, i cant think of another reason why they would have been designed.
    On to my next question, if they have proven to be great forks and do their jobs will we see other manufacturers make them, could they be the future of mtb?
    And one last question, if you only have one sanction, does that mean because it does all the work, the fork wears out faster than a standard fork?
    the lefty has square stanchion rather than round, so less flex. also, lefty has needle bearings instead of bushings, so it doesn't wear out faster nor does play develop as in a regular fork once the bushings start to wear in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    …..At the end of the day I got help elsewhere, and also learned that some people take fake forum points way to personal.
    Please share with us the answer to this thread

    What were the reason for the Lefty to pull on one side ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof View Post
    Please share with us the answer to this thread

    What were the reason for the Lefty to pull on one side ?
    His oversized left nut.
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    That was funny....
    Fokof, maybe read from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trackermi View Post
    That was funny....
    Fokof, maybe read from the start.


    Yes I've read the answer #20 in the first page and #47 in the second page , but he still haven't told us what was the reason for the Lefty to be unbalanced.

    Please steer me to his answer as I didn't see one….. I'm genuinely curious.
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    Bent Lefty?

    Check post #69
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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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