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    arent you cannondale guys pissed at cannondale?

    i was a cannondale fanboy back when i first started riding in 1998, i strictly rode dales for
    many many years, they always were ahead of the curve in bike tech... what happened? i just checked the cannondale site only one 29er!?! scalpel, no big hit 29er, or trail, all moountain 29er, c'mon where are the gemini 29er, jekyl 29er, raven, super v, i miss the old innovative cannondle, what happened to the big C?

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    700 wheels is THE "koolaid" in the US but not in the rest of the world.
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    They have two 29ers. Flash 29 and Scalpel 29. But I don't really care they sold out in my eyes.

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    your joking right? every manufacturer is making these 29ers because there is demand... where have you been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613 View Post
    i was a cannondale fanboy back when i first started riding in 1998, i strictly rode dales for
    many many years, they always were ahead of the curve in bike tech... what happened? i just checked the cannondale site only one 29er!?! scalpel, no big hit 29er, or trail, all moountain 29er, c'mon where are the gemini 29er, jekyl 29er, raven, super v, i miss the old innovative cannondle, what happened to the big C?

    Need to look closer, 3 29 models. Just because they don't have 29ers you want does not mean they suck.

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    first i was talking about dual suspension 29er, not hardtails. second this thread was not meant to offend, and i never said cannondale sucks... my point is why cannondale has not released an all mountain, big hit, or trail 29er only a race version the scalpel. there is no excuse now, there is plenty 29er specific parts, forks, tires not to do it. im telling you i was a big cannondale fan boy, i have owned many dales super v, ravens, jekyll, prophets, carbon rush, all excellent bikes, the new dales are probably no different but when i first rode a niner jet nine it was a revelation for me, 29ers are the real deal... just wondering why cannondale is sleeping on something like a big hit 29er, the big c could make a bundle of money...

    watch this little vid on the niner wfo 9 which i currently ride, this guy admits that he doubted 29ers but now is a convert...
    Niner WFO9 Bike Check Video - Pinkbike
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    That wfo is a sweet bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613 View Post
    your joking right? every manufacturer is making these 29ers because there is demand... where have you been?
    Just because it's popular in the US doesn't mean it's popular everywhere ... In Europe 29r's never really took off and with the rising populatiry of 650b it's doing to hurt 29r's sales a bit so it makes sense that manufacturers aren't eager to offer the ENTIRE range with 29r's options, specially when carbon molds are expensive to make and initial setup is quite high.

    Quite to be expected actually, financially wise at least. And remember that Cannondale falls in the umbrella of another company and producing longer travel bikes would cut in the territory of GT, Cannondale's focus in these past years have been in the XC/Trail market. They still have the AM market covered with the Jekyll but their focus isn't this market for now.

    It's all about corporate strategies.

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    I never really jumped onto the 29'er bandwagon, but after testriding a Scalpel 29'er (3) I must say it'll make a very nice trail bike....that thing has massive tubes and pivots, it doesn't resemble a 26'er Scalpel period.
    Cannondale should've given it a different name as it is not a XC only race bike.
    Suspension also feels like it has more than "only" 100mm.....overall a really sweet bike, but I have personal reasons not to buy one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613 View Post
    where have you been?
    In trails , riding my bike ?
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    A 29er Jekyll that would be lame. The original poster must be drowning in the koolaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook View Post
    A 29er Jekyll that would be lame. The original poster must be drowning in the koolaid.
    and loving it, like thousands of others who have switched, i would probably be riding a cannondale if they offered a bike something like my niner wfo9, or niner rip 9 but they dont...

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    I guess we should be really pissed now since they just came out with the trigger and it is a 26er! Currently not pissed at anyone and not wanting an all mountain 29er.

    A 29er is a good crutch for those who don't know how to ride.
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    why so sensitive you guys? am i offending you? i am asking a legit question, the demand, the market, the parts and technology are all there and i bet the big c could create a banging dual suspension long travel 29er, thats all im sayin...

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    I thought 29ers were cool in 2010... isn't it about 650b now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook View Post
    I guess we should be really pissed now since they just came out with the trigger and it is a 26er! Currently not pissed at anyone and not wanting an all mountain 29er.

    A 29er is a good crutch for those who don't know how to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613 View Post
    and loving it, like thousands of others who have switched, i would probably be riding a cannondale if they offered a bike something, but they dont...
    Yep, 29", single pivot, 6 inches, American made, yes, I use all the travel, and if Cannondale had made it, I'd be riding that one......

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    Why isn't there a lefty on that Lenz bike, Craig??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac View Post
    Why isn't there a lefty on that Lenz bike, Craig??
    Caught me.

    Now FIND a 150 29er fork other than the one I have on there, and I'll be impressed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
    I thought 29ers were cool in 2010... isn't it about 650b now?
    I'm really looking for something right in between 650b and '29er' myself...

    Also I am waiting for someone to pioneer a wheel other than Round... Wishing for a rear wheel in a BioPace type lacing..........to maximize my pedal stroke!

    Obviously this is tongue in cheek!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CdaleTony View Post
    I'm really looking for something right in between 650b and '29er' myself...

    Also I am waiting for someone to pioneer a wheel other than Round... Wishing for a rear wheel in a BioPace type lacing..........to maximize my pedal stroke!

    Obviously this is tongue in cheek!!!!!!!
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    Love that Lenz, Craig, I really wish cannondale would make something like that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
    I thought 29ers were cool in 2010... isn't it about 650b now?

    Fatbikes.

    26" wheel, 29er outer diameter.

    Done.
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    that was a sweet movie. The spots he was riding where sweet.

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    How long until I should be upset with Niner for not offering bikes w/ 650b?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david8613 View Post
    first i was talking about dual suspension 29er, not hardtails. second this thread was not meant to offend, and i never said cannondale sucks... my point is why cannondale has not released an all mountain, big hit, or trail 29er only a race version the scalpel. there is no excuse now, there is plenty 29er specific parts, forks, tires not to do it. im telling you i was a big cannondale fan boy, i have owned many dales super v, ravens, jekyll, prophets, carbon rush, all excellent bikes, the new dales are probably no different but when i first rode a niner jet nine it was a revelation for me, 29ers are the real deal... just wondering why cannondale is sleeping on something like a big hit 29er, the big c could make a bundle of money...

    watch this little vid on the niner wfo 9 which i currently ride, this guy admits that he doubted 29ers but now is a convert...
    Niner WFO9 Bike Check Video - Pinkbike
    Just saw your video... SWEET !!!

    I read elsewhere in this forum that there's supposedly a 140mm Lefty on the way... No confirmations yet... Haven't been able to read about it anywhere else...
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    I'm holding out for a 36er.......or maybe a 48er.....in 1x16 with dual front discs.......and carbon is so yesterday.....I want my 48er to be made from bamboo and yak hair.......

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    Peter Denk is a Euro so perhaps it's the Euro influence. All their test riders seem to be mostly Euros too. They don't ride big hitter 29ers.

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    love that lenz, you could put a dorado on her, she would like that. the thing that's funny to me is you guys are being super sarcastic and that's cool but I know the day cannondale brings out a true long travel 29er you guys will be all over it and loving it. I wish cannondale would just make one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook View Post
    I guess we should be really pissed now since they just came out with the trigger and it is a 26er! Currently not pissed at anyone and not wanting an all mountain 29er.

    A 29er is a good crutch for those who don't know how to ride.
    I especially like it when I roll up behind a kiddy wheel rider on my 29er, going down some nice swoopy rollercoaster singletrack, and I have to keep rubbing the brakes to keep form rear ending the kiddy wheel rider in front of me, while he's pedaling like a madman to outrun my 'angry bee' hub.

    You're right... it must be because I can't ride. Maybe I need to ride a crappier bike, because it's more of a 'challenge'.

    Nice troll....

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    Confirmed : Cannondale will release a 29er Trigger... a bit later this year. It was shown at the current media event but no details and I guess pictures are embargoed.

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    I'm glad they must be listening, maybe the took this long because they wanted it to perfect, it probably wasn't easy to make 29er with that suspension design that dale is using now... I hope it's a winner, please keep us updated!
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    here is a very good read about 29ers and the effect it has had on the industry.
    Wine Me Dine Me 29 Me! - REDUX | NSMB.e.MAGAZINE - Freeride, Extreme and North Shore style Mountain Biking

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    Beware: Difficult to get Cannondale parts

    I crashed the Scaplel 3 29er, destroyed the rear derailleur hanger bracket. Not one Cannondale dealer around here has it. I ordered from a place in UT, was overcharged for shipping and the part wasnt shipped for days after I placed the order on 6/29. Now I'm told I have to wait until 7/11 for the part to arrive, via FedEx! Unbelieveable.
    Unforgiveable that the dealars don't stock parts for a high end bike.

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    Sounds like a problem with your dealers, not Cannondale.
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    yeah. derailleurhanger.com. Can't comment on the shipping charge though. It was years ago when I ordered one for my Caffeine frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof View Post
    700 wheels is THE "koolaid" in the US but not in the rest of the world.
    True but we live in the US. Failure to keep up with the market will make you follow in Schwinn's foot steps. OH wait, Cannondale did follow in Schwinn's foot steps. Can Walmart Cannondales be far behind?
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    i still have yet to try a 29er...dont see the point...all the good points of them are actually skills that you need...remove them skills and all you can do is flow and ride fast on smooth stuff with big sweeping turns.....29er is a fad just like those dang big wide bars(can you say sloooow steering)...the trails are all catering to them now...no tight turns...no rocks..no trees....in couple years we'll be drag racing 29ers in straight paths cause its faster......come chase me thru the rocks on yer 29er...anybody...pro? I dont care.....try to catch me.....no freeekin way bud!

    and here's bit o history for you cannondalers...I have an 85'....and what did they do back then? the same thing we should be doing now...24" rear wheels...we need more technical stuff with more technical bikes...not big old road bikes flowing thru the woods...here in ohio, all the trials are getting smooth, no real climbs, no real rocks (cept for mohican wilderness and a small patch at westbranch..although the wilds are emerging)...every year the trails get easier or the 29er crowed wouldnt be riding as much cause the trails would be too hard to ride. bikes are bikes so we can all enjoy what we want, but going backward in time to ride a bike that reduces ones skill set just seems kinda crazy to me......so why is eveybody in the US goin 29er?? not too sure...I think there's a resurgence in MTBing so these are all new riders and dont know what skills are yet.
    I know I'm pissing on a few toes, but lets get a poll going to prove/disprove my theory....
    how long have you been riding....not just a 29er....riding MTB's...and how about how much do you ride (how many hours/miles at a time)...what kind of terrain.....
    these factors add up to the style of your riding...for newbies, I'd reccomend a 29er, but if your gonna be serious about riding anything technical...dont even start on them things...go ride to a real bike......26"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 540964 View Post
    I crashed the Scaplel 3 29er, destroyed the rear derailleur hanger bracket. Not one Cannondale dealer around here has it. I ordered from a place in UT, was overcharged for shipping and the part wasnt shipped for days after I placed the order on 6/29. Now I'm told I have to wait until 7/11 for the part to arrive, via FedEx! Unbelieveable.
    Unforgiveable that the dealars don't stock parts for a high end bike.
    rule of thumb on all my bikes......always purchase at least 1 (I usually get 2) deraileur hangers and at least one bushing kit (full suspension).
    I've been in your position many times, a long time ago...now I always have them on hand....and if you keep you bikes for a long time (I do), it gets even tougher to find them parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    i still have yet to try a 29er...dont see the point...all the good points of them are actually skills that you need...remove them skills and all you can do is flow and ride fast on smooth stuff with big sweeping turns.....29er is a fad just like those dang big wide bars(can you say sloooow steering)...the trails are all catering to them now...no tight turns...no rocks..no trees....in couple years we'll be drag racing 29ers in straight paths cause its faster......come chase me thru the rocks on yer 29er...anybody...pro? I dont care.....try to catch me.....no freeekin way bud!

    and here's bit o history for you cannondalers...I have an 85'....and what did they do back then? the same thing we should be doing now...24" rear wheels...we need more technical stuff with more technical bikes...not big old road bikes flowing thru the woods...here in ohio, all the trials are getting smooth, no real climbs, no real rocks (cept for mohican wilderness and a small patch at westbranch..although the wilds are emerging)...every year the trails get easier or the 29er crowed wouldnt be riding as much cause the trails would be too hard to ride. bikes are bikes so we can all enjoy what we want, but going backward in time to ride a bike that reduces ones skill set just seems kinda crazy to me......so why is eveybody in the US goin 29er?? not too sure...I think there's a resurgence in MTBing so these are all new riders and dont know what skills are yet.
    I know I'm pissing on a few toes, but lets get a poll going to prove/disprove my theory....
    how long have you been riding....not just a 29er....riding MTB's...and how about how much do you ride (how many hours/miles at a time)...what kind of terrain.....
    these factors add up to the style of your riding...for newbies, I'd reccomend a 29er, but if your gonna be serious about riding anything technical...dont even start on them things...go ride to a real bike......26"
    Hey, run what ya brung and smile, you won't hurt my feelings.

    That said, you're missing out, avoiding big wheels like the plague. Frankly, sounds like thinly veiled purchase resistance to me (I don't need that new fangled refrigerator you whippersnapper, my icebox works just fine and it's paid for...)

    They don't reduce skills required, they expand their reach.

    Imagine if you will, back in the early days, riding a cheapo 27x1 1/4 wheeled 10 speed on the trails. It was fun. Then you got your '85. Was it not better? Could you not expand on the skills you developed, riding the roadie in the woods?

    Same thing, again.

    And you're behind the times, sorry, Fatbike are the new 29ers. Oh, wait, now we have 29+ so I guess I'm behind the curve with my fatties already.....

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    Lmao...

    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    ...24" rear wheels...we need more technical stuff with more technical bikes...
    Why stop there? Why not take the disc brakes off our bikes, and put a 'Dia Compe MX' rear brake on, like your 24" C'Dale? So, how's that Dia Comp MX rear brake working out for ya? I guess the hikers get some squealing warning before you can't stop and plow into them. :lmao:

    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post

    ...here in Ohio...
    Well, here's your problem.

    No wonder you don't need better equipment.

    And as far as your poll goes...

    I started riding mountian bikes back in '85. I actually lusted after your 26/24 Cannondale, cause I thought it was cool... until I actually rode one. I stopped riding in 88, and took it up again in '99.

    I don't ride a whole lot. Probably around 1000 miles a year, mostly weekend rides. Between two kids (one was very sick last year), work and household stuff, I only can get out on the weekends. I've done Sea Otter about 10 times, four 24 hour races, and a couple of 12 hour races.

    I bought my first 29er in 2007 after trying a friends 29er and digging it so much, I had to give it a real go. I immediately dumped all my 26er bikes and converted the whole quiver to 29ers. Now, I own 3 29ers and a cyclocross bike.

    All I have to say is, before flapping your pie hole too much on the subject, go and actually ride one... and do a real ride, not just around the parking lot. Shoot down some nice ribbon of singletrack and it will all become clear... or it won't, but you'll have a real world opinion on the subject. That I can respect.

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    Trust me....ive had that exact tbought a thousand times(alot of good rideers I know have went to them)....i dont want to be a ludite..or whatever...and i will try one someday...maybe even soon..... but i jump alot....even on xc courses.....roots and rocks. Are all just jump helpers...i do like to flow but i love extremely technical rocky stuff like pa and w.va have....and jumpin thru rocks...so thats why i havent tried one yet....i need a very responsive bike...... but since all the xc stuff in my area is goin more flow and less technical....a 29er would prob be better suited(since theres nothing to do but flow)...i do believe a bike for every occasion....and no...its not about money....ive got alot of bikes....just worked too hard for a long time to get where im at and i enjoy that type of riding so much its what i gravitate to......ask me in a year.....ill admit defeat if i had to(only because the local courses have watered down the experience for the 29er crowed)...it would only mean good things i guess...but i'm very skeptical.
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    Oops....didnt see the ohio jab.......ya....your right.....i put 50000 miles a year on my tuck goin to pa.....i drive an hour and a half just for my daily ride....yes....it sucks
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    ive a waat were we txtin' about hier?

    Sorry, I have a hard time reading the ohioan dialect.

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    some 650 would be sweet really instead of the 29 stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
    Sorry, I have a hard time reading the ohioan dialect.
    ROFLMFAO.



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    sorry, dang phone...cant type well and didnt proof read...lol

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    oh, here's another one for the poll

    how many folks that ride 29" have a bmx/freestyle background. I just have not seen many folks throwing these big wheeled bikes around, so do any of you ride AM with them? Jumps and drops? rock piles?
    just trying to get informed....if you do, what would be a preferred bike for that style of riding?
    how well do the rims hold up (one of the reasons for the smaller rim in the rear as stated earlier)

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    Quote Originally Posted by syklystt View Post
    oh, here's another one for the poll

    how many folks that ride 29" have a bmx/freestyle background. I just have not seen many folks throwing these big wheeled bikes around, so do any of you ride AM with them? Jumps and drops? rock piles?
    just trying to get informed....if you do, what would be a preferred bike for that style of riding?
    how well do the rims hold up (one of the reasons for the smaller rim in the rear as stated earlier)
    Wow. I read everything you've written on this thread. After a couple rough drafts, here's my poem for you:

    You're retarded.

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    Does cannondale even make a dh/fr bike anymore? I have never owned one unti now, I got a super good deal on a moto4 at our local shop. It seems to be holding up ok so far and the guy mentioned they stopped makin these bikes.

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