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    Any Machinists in the house - Hollowgram + XX1...

    So I really dig the XX1 idea.

    I also dig my Hollowgram cranks.

    So what I would really dig if someone out there could machine up some spiders for the hollowgram cranks that would work with the XX1 bolt pattern.

    Cannondale may end up doing that here at some point, but man I'd love to have someone machine some up.
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    Italians already have great solution- Carbon Ti X-monorings
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    I thought XX1 has a very specific front tooth configuration that holds the chain securely. Chain has to be lined up with the two big teeth to run correctly. How will carbon ti x rings work with xx1? Anyone tried it?

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    It'll happen if it hasn't already. If you really have your own vision...

    Experimental Prototype

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    Yeah, ordered one from Matthais today... though wish I would have ordered that itailian one, it's half the price.

    Doesn't look to be a great way to order that one from Italy. Man, that would have been much more affordable.
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    i currently ride on 33T monoring from CarbonTi with a ShiftUp chainkeeper on 1x10 setup with 11-36T XX at the rear wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    Yeah, ordered one from Matthais today... though wish I would have ordered that itailian one, it's half the price.

    Doesn't look to be a great way to order that one from Italy. Man, that would have been much more affordable.
    i keep this sentence in mind. well focused in mind,

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    Wasn't looking to upset anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by eliflap View Post
    i keep this sentence in mind. well focused in mind,
    Sorry to upset anyone. Wasn't my intent. Not quite sure how that upset you? Looks to be a great option just wish there was an easy way to order it from Italy. There isn't an English translation or conversion on that website. That makes it more difficult.
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    if you scroll the page , you can found the italian flag and the Union Jack, in the Carbon-Ti web site ...

    ( and only english version is now working , so "no traslation" is a true lie ! please check it before write )

    but , sure , worldwide there ar lots of companies more trusteable ... who is so crazy to trust in a company with some parts on Burry Standler, Chistof Sauser bikes ? ...

    some pics only for show how Sauser can be crazy to trust in this company ...

    i try to forward him your tip. via the Carbon-Ti managers ...

    ( hoping Carbon-Ti allows me to use their pics )
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    lost in translation

    Eli,

    Something is lost in translation here, but ultimately my intent was not to insult or cause an issue. I don't roll that way. Has nothing to do with any trust in carbon-ti etc. I was NEVER referring to Carbon-Ti or their website.

    I was referring to THIS website that had been mentioned earlier that I don't see any english translation.


    Spider per Singola XX1 - SI Cannondale - Guarnitura Capo - SHOP Online www.leowheels.it

    So, at this point I'll move on.
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    Leonardi does not use english language , 'cause he is tall and big and he believes everyone must know italian ...

    mine it's a joke , but i don't know why he uses only our languages and he does not ship abroad ( i did it for him in some cases helping some mtbr forum users )

    however , Leonardi is know as the many-many-years-of-experience italian Lefty and Headshok clinic ...

    as you can see , he has in his site many components , done specifically for Cannondale.


    sorry , i understood Carbon-Ti , however i have to defend my national products, especially the ones i am using or used and the ones i trust in.

    and the italian's reputation too.

    PS : i am not related with any company. i am only a Lefty lover since 2002.

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    Eliflap: tell Leo the italian economy would be much better if they allowed us to buy his parts. I'd love that XX1 spider and I'm sure I'm not alone! I know Matthias is working on a Hollowgram-XX1 spider too but his stuff is not as well-made, as durable and as finished-looking as Leo's stuff...

    Or is it a scheme to force me to make a trip to Italy?

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    Well, I e-mailed with Leo, and he was willing to ship to the states but needs a bank transfer as opposed to paypal and the price was a lot more than on the website.

    I did order from Matthias, but do agree that piece Leo has is nice looking and affordable (on his website at least!)

    Definitely a market for those.
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    You guys should work out something with Eli. Get him to buy them for you, send them to you as a "gift" so you don't pay custom fees, etc. Figure something out.

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    I have ordered from Leo.it using EliFlap as the middle man. Several times actually. Thanks again Eli.
    Anyways, any chance on getting a price in English dollars for the XX1 spider, and price to ship for me again. Thanks again. Let me know if pm is easier

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    Quote Originally Posted by YT View Post
    I have ordered from Leo.it using EliFlap as the middle man. Several times actually. Thanks again Eli.
    Anyways, any chance on getting a price in English dollars for the XX1 spider, and price to ship for me again. Thanks again. Let me know if pm is easier
    Id consider this also, maybe we can save on shipping with a group buy of sorts. Leo quoted me about 145 euro which seemed high based on what the price looks like on the website. That said I may be missing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    Id consider this also, maybe we can save on shipping with a group buy of sorts. Leo quoted me about 145 euro which seemed high based on what the price looks like on the website. That said I may be missing something.
    I'd be in for one

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    Eli got back to me and the price was for two, so pretty fair all in all. Bank transfer is a bit of a hassle but I may order them up. Have a local guy that says he will give it a shot also. But Leo seems to have it down.
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    Does anyone know where I can get a 104/64 mm Hollowgram spider to convert a Truvativ /Sram XX 39-26 tooth front chain ring setup to 38-24 chain rings ? Does anyone have a ready-mix solution for this?

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    Update: The 2013 Ultimates are shipping with both Hollowgram spiders : 120/80mm BCD installed and 104/64mm in the parts bag. Nice. (Still a little crazy how much he Ultimates cost, but the curve ain't linear....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott In MD View Post
    Update: The 2013 Ultimates are shipping with both Hollowgram spiders : 120/80mm BCD installed and 104/64mm in the parts bag. Nice. (Still a little crazy how much he Ultimates cost, but the curve ain't linear....)
    All of the '12 and '13 Ultimates ship with both spiders, the 104mm is meant to run 1x10 and comes with a 36t single MRP ring and chain guide. It does indeed still have the 64 bcd holes as well. You could probably hit up any Ultimate owners for one if they're not using it....PM

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    Trauma, do you know whether Cannondale are working on an xx1 spider?

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    Any update on an XX1 spider easily available in the US?

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    Anyone interested in ordering the Hollowgram XX1 spider? We are putting together a group order.

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    Me please..!

    Desparately seeking an XX1 spider for my Hollowgrams..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Bike Supply View Post
    Anyone interested in ordering the Hollowgram XX1 spider? We are putting together a group order.
    Any ballpark idea on price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim83 View Post
    Any ballpark idea on price?
    It should work out to about the same as a standard Hollowgram spider ($85) once we factor in shipping and currency conversion but we are still waiting for confirmation on the availability and lead time.

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    I would love one. If you get them, I'll buy at least one. Thanks-

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    Any updates? I am interested in one as well.

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    anyone who has bought a spider from Leonardi... what chainring bolts are you using????

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    Regular chainring bolts work just fine... the bolts thread directly into the XX1 chainring so be careful when tightening..

    I used single ring bolts as they are narrower and don't stick out

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    any chainring bolts dont work at all. i cant torque down the chainring bolts i was using with the XX chainrings on the hollowgrams for example. i came across this thread that suggested the chainring bolts from the new sram red work. what chainrings are you using at the moment?

    XX1 chainring bolts - new standard? - Weight Weenies

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    Well standard chain ring bolts worked just fine for me.. I just pulled 4 spare bolts out of a box.. didn't order anything new.. tightend up and we're good to go..

    I've been running the XX1 Hollowgrams for about 3 weeks now, have about 200k of offroad use on them and there is no sign of the bolts loosening or a creaky front ring which would indicate a problem in the set up..

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    Any Machinists in the house - Hollowgram + XX1...

    Ok... I need to do some more digging then. Thanks

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    Well, it was bound to happen, Cannondale's SISL2 crankset will soon have a mountain bike spindle and a XX1 spider. More info here...


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    I also found a company that will (if SRAM don't legally stop them) make chainrings with normal 4-bolts 104mm BCD, spiderless options but with XX1 shaped teeth...

    wolftoothcomponents.com

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dan Gerous again.

    Lame. So thanks Dan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Dan Gerous again.

    Lame. So thanks Dan.
    Huuuh?

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    The board/forum won't let me give you rep so I'm thanking you here for the information.

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    HaHaHa. I don't pay too much attention to that Reputation rating anyway... Thanks though!

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    That looks really cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous View Post
    I also found a company that will (if SRAM don't legally stop them) make chainrings with normal 4-bolts 104mm BCD, spiderless options but with XX1 shaped teeth...

    wolftoothcomponents.com
    Very cool but don't think they are making Hollowgram versions.....

    Shamelessly knicked from this thread (Lighten up that XX1 Crankset)

    Standard XX1 rings, chainring bolts and spider


    Wolftooth GXP Spiderless "Drop Stop" (thick-thin) chainring for XX1 crank:


    If only they would make a Hollowgram version, this would be by far the best option for Hollowgram XX1 (in my opinion)

    - Spiderless is 28g lighter
    - Much cheaper as no need to buy spider and ring
    - Better mud clearance.
    - Less things to creak or come undone (no chainring bolts)
    - Only negative I can see is can't change rings so quickly (ie: for a hilly race)

    From the thread I link above...I think they are worried not enough numbers to make a Hollowgram version...Going to harrass them by email

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    Any Machinists in the house - Hollowgram + XX1...

    Carbon Ti makes a Hollowgram version of its Monosync ring

    Zeta components too, a bit heavy but cheap (-40% compared to other)

    Spiderless large-thin rings I know only these 2 versions


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    Thanks Eliflap. I also got an email back from Absolute Black saying they are planning to make direct mount hollowgram thick-thin rings in a few weeks time...

    like this one:

    Sram Spiderless

    as a guide, these are around £48 in UK.

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    i don't know why there is a Specialized version of integrated chainset instead an Hollowgram version.

    or Sram too, why ?

    i guess sram for the big number of cranksets on board , i think...

    but why not Hollowgram yet?

    with the different spindle lenghts you can fine adjust chainline, instead of the Specialized or Sram ...

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    I have a Sram 30T XX1 ring mounted up on a Leonardi Hollowgram spider. The interesting thing is, whilst you can't rotate the ring (by 1 hole, to spread wear evenly over the teeth) it's possible to reverse the ring on this spider and run it backwards to double its life. (I heard the life of the sram narrow-wide rings is quite short)

    I've not tried it on a bike and the chainline would be different (it's also a bit more messy looking). However, what would be interesting is if somebody marketed a "backwards spider". You would buy that second spider once and it would allow you to reuse all your worn Sram rings the other way around

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    So for all of those whose been waiting
    It is happening.
    We are now in production of Cannondale hollowgram rings. Give us a week and they will be up on our website for pre sale. Availability - 25th June.

    Chainring will have an offset(unlike Carbon-Ti) of around 6mm. For now 28/30/32/34T

    They are light: 32T is 60g. XX1 spider + ring is 84g in same size.
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    Cannondale hollowgram XX1 spiderless rings are now ready to order!
    All details in the link.

    XX1 cannondale


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    already ordered !!!

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