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    Any 2008 Info?

    Is there any information out on 2008 bikes yet? I've seen the stuff on the scalple but nothing else
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    At Mt.Snow yesterday, I got to speak with a cool C'dale fellow. Here is what I remember.

    The DLR2s will have Fox RLC damping.
    Carbon and Alu. (w/carbon rear triangle) 2008 Scalpels ....being called the Scalpel.
    A slacker head angle on the new Scalpel. I got to lift it up and it was quite light.
    No travel adj. Lefty for the Prophet. They tried it last year but it had too many bugs.
    The Prophet will remain basically unchanged.

    I dunno. If I remember anything else I'll post it. I'm sure everything I just said has been posted in other threads, but it's too hard to try and search for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    At Mt.Snow yesterday, I got to speak with a cool C'dale fellow. Here is what I remember.

    The DLR2s will have Fox RLC damping.
    Carbon and Alu. (w/carbon rear triangle) 2008 Scalpels ....being called the Scalpel.
    A slacker head angle on the new Scalpel. I got to lift it up and it was quite light.
    No travel adj. Lefty for the Prophet. They tried it last year but it had too many bugs.
    The Prophet will remain basically unchanged.

    I dunno. If I remember anything else I'll post it. I'm sure everything I just said has been posted in other threads, but it's too hard to try and search for.
    I was looking around and apparently last year (2006) they released information about the whole line up a lot earlier than July... So I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been more news, yet... Kind of disappointing really...

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    DLR2 leftys with Fox RLC dampening!!

    OH SNAP!!!

    I'm officially buying a 2008 rush instead of a 2007.
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    My guess would be that lower-end C'dales with Lefties will get either a DLR2 like this year or a Fox R, RL etc...and work their way up to RLC. Although, I have no actual reason to believe this.

    The guy also said something about the SI cranks dropping more weight.
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    Yep! The SI Hollowgram SL crankset is lighter by 60grams... and apparently just as stiff! The road version comes standard with ceramic bearings, not sure about the mountain version though.

    The new Scalpel will be available in a very limited edition. The Dan Gerous Signature bike will have just a matte clearcoat on the carbon frame to save even more weight and will have the Hollogram SL crankset back with the shorter spindle and the 2x9 spider and rings.... A man can dream!

    Seriously, a slacker head angle? The Scalpel's 70 head angle is already considered quite slack in XC race bike standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Yep! The SI Hollowgram SL crankset is lighter by 60grams... and apparently just as stiff! The road version comes standard with ceramic bearings, not sure about the mountain version though.

    The new Scalpel will be available in a very limited edition. The Dan Gerous Signature bike will have just a matte clearcoat on the carbon frame to save even more weight and will have the Hollogram SL crankset back with the shorter spindle and the 2x9 spider and rings.... A man can dream!

    Seriously, a slacker head angle? The Scalpel's 70 head angle is already considered quite slack in XC race bike standards.
    I thought I heard 60 grams, but was afraid to be wrong and get in trouble with you guys!
    With the head angle, the guys did not seem to know what it was. Originally the guy was saying 66, 67 ( ...I'm serious)...while he said earlier that the racers wanted a faster accelerating bike... . Obveously, they may not have been the best info source, but my guess would be 70-71.
    I demo'ed a 2006 Scalpel and it felt PERFECT for racing, I don't know why they would change it....and give it more travel. I doubt the sponsored racers will be getting use of all 90mm of travel when they have their suspension set at 10% sag. 67mm seemed like a good balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    I thought I heard 60 grams, but was afraid to be wrong and get in trouble with you guys!
    With the head angle, the guys did not seem to know what it was. Originally the guy was saying 66, 67 ( ...I'm serious)...while he said earlier that the racers wanted a faster accelerating bike... . Obveously, they may not have been the best info source, but my guess would be 70-71.
    I demo'ed a 2006 Scalpel and it felt PERFECT for racing, I don't know why they would change it....and give it more travel. I doubt the sponsored racers will be getting use of all 90mm of travel when they have their suspension set at 10% sag. 67mm seemed like a good balance.
    66, 67? That's slacker than a Prophet in FR mode! No way! This guy was definitly not a good source of info. I'm expecting the geometry to stay close to the current 70 head angle...

    As for the added travel, maybe every racers don't need that much but nobody loses. The reason for short travel is that it's usually lighter and stiffer than a longer travel bike. If Cannondale managed to up the travel to 90mm but still drop weight and make a stiffer bike, even if you set the suspension to only use 67mm of the travel or even less, you still get a better bike! We all win.

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    One of the owners of my local cdale retailer went out last week to cdale usa and rode the new Scalpel. The first question I asked was about the head angle (because I rode a Rush once and couldn't stand the head angle). He said it felt the same as the current Scalpel. I asked him about carbon vs alum. and he said they would be all carbon and that he placed and order to get a couple to his shop. I told him to put my name on one. He also said they should be in in like 3-4 weeks. That is probably the biggest lie I've ever heard though. I noticed in some of those photos you all have been posting that they are using the SI crank SL's on some of them. Hey Cannondale, the cat is out of the bag! Go ahead and just post the new bike a parts picks on your website and stop this nonsense!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    The DLR2s will have Fox RLC damping.
    Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I've never rode a bike with Fox RLC...
    On the other hand my Lefty SL rides so smooth it's hard for me to believe they can improve it!!! It feels perfect right now, but what do I know lol

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    I looked at the 2008 catalog a few days ago....

    Prophet MX line is gone

    No Prophet comes with a lefty

    08 Prophet 1 has much cheaper component spec, similar to the 07 Prophet 3Z (w/ the same fork)

    Rush Line looked very similar to 07 line, with component changes stated above

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    wow no Leftys on the Prophets - I wonder if that is cos they are too expensive or if they don't see them as heavy duty enough for the Prophet any more?

    Does that mean no coil leftys as I assume that the Rushs and the Scalpels will be Air Sprung.

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    No MX line? Wow, I thought that was one of the most versitile bikes out there.

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    Seriously?

    Is this a US catalog or a GB catalog?

    I only ask as it seems that the Lefty never really got used in GB / Europe on the Prophet anyways (except the 1), so it would make sense for it to be eliminated in the GB / Euro lines. In North Amerca? Does not compute...

    Also, I agree with NS-NV's statement on the Prophet MX. I have one (2007 MX2) and it smokes. If anything, I was hoping they would bump it to 160mm of travel to fill the gap between the Perp and the Prophet, not get rid of it. Look at the Cut; almost every single one of them rides one and uses that and the Chase as thier go to fun / jib / slope bikes.

    Shades of the Jekyll migration? Stopgap year while new product brews?

    Interesting...

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    JUdge is only available as a frame
    a perp will be available for 2200
    chase's will all have short stays, but there is only 2 models and a frameset
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    If the MXs are gone, hopefully C'dale replaces it with stg better. If not, that's too bad, especially considering MXs were the most rigid in terms of carving in Prophet line (lack of carving rigidity has been a problem with Prophets).

    Le Freak has a very good idea about increasing the Prophet MX rear wheel travel to 160 mm. This can be done with a 7.875" x 2.25" shock. I've done this (PUSH'ed RP23) and I have to say that with 150 mm travel fork and XC geometry mode (a must with 2.25" stroke shock in a Prophet) it rides very very well.
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    just back from the shop.

    no MX line and nothing to replace it, looked like a prophet spec'ed similair but no stout rearend.

    perps looked great.. silver, black and white. 2200$ one is spec'ed out ok!

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    Hmm, I'm speculating that Cannondales going back to the drawing board for the Prophets Leftys for the year.
    Possibly a mid season release on prophets with leftys?

    From a salesman standpoint though, the rush is aniliating the prophet in sales. So i guess its a logical move, if abit odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fooly_CoolyOo
    Hmm, I'm speculating that Cannondales going back to the drawing board for the Prophets Leftys for the year.
    Possibly a mid season release on prophets with leftys?

    From a salesman standpoint though, the rush is aniliating the prophet in sales. So i guess its a logical move, if abit odd.
    The prophet is mostly unchanged for 2008. The Rush replaced the prophet because it's a better bike for most of us. It is balaced and light (I have the 1000 version), has better suspension IMO, and the only two bad things about it are the low BB and the forward lean position (A bit too forward for me, but solved via a seat post and a shorter / higher stem).
    I think that c'dale will be developing a new trail bike for mid 08/ 09 - Prophet sales are really down at the moment... Probably why c'dale put the prophet in the MBA trail bike shootout, to get some more sales out of it. Unfortunately, the result was... not so good.

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    To those that have seen the '08 catalog:

    Will there be a lower-end model with the Caffeine frame offered? I was hoping to wait until after my last tri of the year (late Septemebr) to buy a bike, but if the '08 Caffeine frame won't be offered in a cheaper package I'd like to start looking for a deal now on the '07's before they sell out.

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    How did the Prophet do in the shootout?
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    2008 release dates etc

    I contacted Cdale directly and was told that the 2008 Product line will be available on Cannondale.com in September (Same date for Catalogs from Dealers)

    They also mentioned a "tentative" roll out date of late August, for the Prophet.

    I can't wait...


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    3 Perps, 4 Prophets, No MXs, Badboy w/ Rohloff, a whole lot of Scalpels and Rushes, feminine Scalpel...etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    Don't ask me how I know this.
    Shoot, you're dying to tell us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Shoot, you're dying to tell us!
    I did some very bad things to gain access to their 2008 cataloug!

    Okay, okay...all I did was register my Rush and while doing so, they give you the option of registering a 2008 bike by a drop down menu. I remember that there were two Scalpels offered in alu. and the rest were full carbon. Sadly, they did not have pics. or a spec. table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    I did some very bad things to gain access to their 2008 cataloug!

    Okay, okay...all I did was register my Rush and while doing so, they give you the option of registering a 2008 bike by a drop down menu. I remember that there were two Scalpels offered in alu. and the rest were full carbon. Sadly, they did not have pics. or a spec. table.
    Looking at that list gives much more info:

    How about a 130 Trail Carbon?
    A Big Mountain 160 Carbon?
    Hooligan?

    Hummm... here's the complete list (and it's a long one!):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtvet
    How did the Prophet do in the shootout?
    Not good (5/6). But they said that it should have been the rush in the test, not the prophet. Also it was the 5 model. The 800 (similar to current 4) took 3rd in the 2005 test.

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    I know the color for the 2008 aluminum Rush purchased just as a frame will be the BBQ Matte Black. I know it's not a very significant piece of info, but since I blew it by waiting too long to order the 2007 frame now I'm waiting to order the 2008.

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    These tests doesn't mean much, the Prophet won bike of the year in another magazine so... One guy who tests it might like it, another might not, no bike is perfect for everyone and these guys are just like us, they have personal preferences and are biased too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy78
    130 trail CARBON?
    Yes... and 160 Big mountain Carbon...
    Probably the MX replacement...

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    Way to go research team! I'm selling a bunch of stuff to make room for and finance one of these new carbon Scalpels. Should I get it right when it comes out or wait for them to work out some production issues? I don't think I've ever been so interested in a new bike coming out. Of course I've never seen so much of a bike before it was available before either. Anybody need a twice used speed carbon SL? P.M. me if interested.

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    2008 Prophet/Lefty Max

    I don't know if this has already been said in another forum, but the Lefty Max is no more. 2008 Prophets have standard sliders from RockShox and Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Yes... and 160 Big mountain Carbon...
    Probably the MX replacement...
    What on earth is that and where can i find pictures?
    Everyones got a little weight weinee in them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fooly_CoolyOo
    What on earth is that and where can i find pictures?
    Waiting is hardest part...

    My guess is the 160 Big Mountain line (carbon and alloy models) is the Prophet MX line replacement... aggressive trail bike with 160mm of travel... maybe? And the 130 Trail line (carbon and alloy models too) would replace the regular Prophets as lighter trailbikes with 130mm of travel... The Prophet line stays unchanged as a less expensive options for 2008 and are then phased out. I'm just guessing here but it would make sense. I'm just hoping the Lefty Max doesn't dissapear...

    No pictures yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy78
    130 trail CARBON?


    NOW you got my attention. Where did you get this info? If there's a 130 Trail Carbon and a 160 Big Mountain Carbon, where did the Prophet go in between? Sounds like they will end the Prophet line this year... Just like they do with every bike when a new model comes... run for one more year and then, bye. I'm pretty curious, though. I think it's the first time they lower the travel from a last year's model. Since the Jeckyl it was always a travel increase. Wanna see these two rigs badly. When anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN


    NOW you got my attention. Where did you get this info? If there's a 130 Trail Carbon and a 160 Big Mountain Carbon, where did the Prophet go in between? Sounds like they will end the Prophet line this year... Just like they do with every bike when a new model comes... run for one more year and then, bye. I'm pretty curious, though. I think it's the first time they lower the travel from a last year's model. Since the Jeckyl it was always a travel increase. Wanna see these two rigs badly. When anyone?
    Got the info straight from the Cannondale website... If you look at the big list I posted, there appear to be 4 Prophet models AND the 130 Trail and 160 Big Mountain lines.

    It's not a matter of increasing or decreasing travel, it's all about having a complete line: Scalpel: 90mm, Rush: 110mm, Trail: 130mm, Prophet: 140mm, Big Mountain: 160mm and so on all the way to the Judge...

    Now, these bikes could appear anytime between now and the end of the year so we'll all have to wait for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Got the info straight from the Cannondale website... If you look at the big list I posted, there appear to be 4 Prophet models AND the 130 Trail and 160 Big Mountain lines.

    It's not a matter of increasing or decreasing travel, it's all about having a complete line: Scalpel: 90mm, Rush: 110mm, Trail: 130mm, Prophet: 140mm, Big Mountain: 160mm and so on all the way to the Judge...

    Now, these bikes could appear anytime between now and the end of the year so we'll all have to wait for now.
    Yeah, I missed the Prophet line on the list... But what about that Trail line-up, not the 130 trail, but those that appears right before them? Is it the same listed twice or some sort of midway travel between the Scalpel-Rush or the Rush-130 Trail? Anyway, I didn't find any of this info on the site. Is it where? Is it an insiders/dealers only info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    Anyway, I didn't find any of this info on the site. Is it where? Is it an insiders/dealers only info?
    Check RideFaster's post above...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Check RideFaster's post above...
    I could actually access the list. REALLY INTERESTING. But I had no tips what that "regular" Trail (Carbon LTD/1/2 and possibly aluminum 3/4/5 ) is about. But I'm now dying to see how they might look like! Oh, the wait...

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    Rush 4 alu

    I have seen the list above from Dan Gerous and asked myself if this will mean there
    will be a Rush 4 with an aluminium frame and Fox fork or only the carbon version in Europe ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallie
    I have seen the list above from Dan Gerous and asked myself if this will mean there
    will be a Rush 4 with an aluminium frame and Fox fork or only the carbon version in Europe ??
    You could always go to the European Cannondale site and look at the list.
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    I'm pretty sure that list is inclusive of all models across markets... Because the SL Prophet is listed there.

    I also noticed there is no Judge listed! (Or maybe I'm going blind)

    The Big mountain is interesting... Can't say I'm really fond of the name though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar1981
    I'm pretty sure that list is inclusive of all models across markets... Because the SL Prophet is listed there.

    I also noticed there is no Judge listed! (Or maybe I'm going blind)

    The Big mountain is interesting... Can't say I'm really fond of the name though!
    I have to agree, Trail and Big Mountain are not very creative names... a bit boring.
    About the Judge, word is it will only be available as a frameset...

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    Does anyone know something about a new swingarm for the 2008 Rush, like a carbon or lighter one? I heard a rumor at my local C-dale store, but haven'tfound a word of it on the web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    I have to agree, Trail and Big Mountain are not very creative names... a bit boring.
    About the Judge, word is it will only be available as a frameset...
    Maybe King James came up with the names.

    Frameset, because most people buying it are going the custom build route?
    Strange...

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    I finally saw the Cdale promo video for the 2008 Rush that comes with the new swingarm. It looks just like the 2007 one but it was deeply shaved in less stressed areas dropping around 190grs, no bad !

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    I've been scoping the 2008 cannondale dealer book religiously in the shop lately. Looks like all the rush frames are "rush sl"s, probably has to do with that lighter swingarm plus some other goodies. I've seen no update on the DLR2s having fox internals though. Of course all I've seen is the dealer book, i haven't seen any propaganda yet.
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    Today I went back to the store and saw a PDF of the 2008 catalog, this is what I found:
    - The Team Carbon Scalpel comes with the DT Carbon shock and with the Hollowgram SL crank in black color and with the bolt and SL logo in red color (double chainring is stock, I don't know if the triple version is an option)
    - Scalpel and Rush Team colors are the one used in Vredestein-Cannondale bikes and another one in blue, silver and black with white? letters
    - Carbon Scalpel front triangle is just like the System Six combination (only the seat tube is AL the rest is carbon)
    - Carbon Team Scalpel weights around 9.6 Kgs out of the box with pedals
    - Didn't find any info or pictures of the 130 TRAIL CARBON or the 160 BIG MOUNTAIN bikes found in the Cannondale list of 2008 bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuster_md
    Today I went back to the store and saw a PDF of the 2008 catalog, this is what I found:
    - The Team Carbon Scalpel comes with the DT Carbon shock and with the Hollowgram SL crank in black color and with the bolt and SL logo in red color (double chainring is stock, I don't know if the triple version is an option)
    - Scalpel and Rush Team colors are the one used in Vredestein-Cannondale bikes and another one in blue, silver and black with white? letters
    - Carbon Scalpel front triangle is just like the System Six combination (only the seat tube is AL the rest is carbon)
    - Carbon Team Scalpel weights around 9.6 Kgs out of the box with pedals
    - Didn't find any info or pictures of the 130 TRAIL CARBON or the 160 BIG MOUNTAIN bikes found in the Cannondale list of 2008 bikes
    There's a report in the 2008 Scalpel thread that there is a new Shimano XTR wheelset for Lefty available for the new models. Do you know anything about it? If so, is there a Lefty XT wheelset as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    There's a report in the 2008 Scalpel thread that there is a new Shimano XTR wheelset for Lefty available for the new models. Do you know anything about it? If so, is there a Lefty XT wheelset as well?
    Yes, there will be an XTR wheelset for the lefty:





    If there is also going to be an XT wheelset, that is not clear yet as far as I understood. A couple of months ago they told at Shimano that they were producing a Lefty wheelset. But gave no indication if it was only an XTR or also an XT.

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    Dumb question here that will probably show how out of touch I am, but looking at the list of bikes what does the SL stand for. Rush SL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssc280
    Dumb question here that will probably show how out of touch I am, but looking at the list of bikes what does the SL stand for. Rush SL?
    Super Light usually...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcoen
    Yes, there will be an XTR wheelset for the lefty:





    If there is also going to be an XT wheelset, that is not clear yet as far as I understood. A couple of months ago they told at Shimano that they were producing a Lefty wheelset. But gave no indication if it was only an XTR or also an XT.
    Thanks mcoen! Great pics!

    In the back we can see what appears to be a Lefty DT Swiss 1450, am I right? It's good news it's not only Mavic, but also Shimano and probably DT Swiss are now making Lefty-hub'ed wheel sets. It was about time that more companies to recognize the pontential of the Lefty, but I still don't understand why only top-end products, like the SLR. Ok, there's the Crosslands for Lefty, but c'mon, Mavic could come with some nice Crossmax ST for Lefty. Those would suply most Prophet riders nicely. Same now for the XTR, that is a light, speedy wheel (that's why it's on the Scalpel), but a XT should do wonders for those who like to pound some weight on their rides.

    Anyway, the hub looks like some kind of prototype. Is it the final product already?

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    Yea, thanks for the pics mcoen!

    It's sad and strange that you guys in Europe get the goods made hear in USA before we do

    You're right BLACK Ronin. Specing the Prophet with SLRs is SILLY. Especially when their max tire size is only 2.1 (because their rims are so small) but the Prophet comes with 2.3s
    However, those XTRs would be mighty fine on my Rush

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fooly_CoolyOo
    I've been scoping the 2008 cannondale dealer book religiously in the shop lately. Looks like all the rush frames are "rush sl"s, probably has to do with that lighter swingarm plus some other goodies. I've seen no update on the DLR2s having fox internals though. Of course all I've seen is the dealer book, i haven't seen any propaganda yet.
    I wonder??? Looks like in the list of new bikes, only the lower models are SLs while the Team and other high end models are not.
    Are you sure the Rush Team is listed as an SL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogiprophet
    I wonder??? Looks like in the list of new bikes, only the lower models are SLs while the Team and other high end models are not.
    Are you sure the Rush Team is listed as an SL?

    What is an SL?

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    SL is reserved for the alloy frames designating substantial lightening. The Carbon frames remain unchanged from the previous year so they do not get an SL notation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogiprophet
    Looks like in the list of new bikes, only the lower models are SLs while the Team and other high end models are not.
    Are you sure the Rush Team is listed as an SL?
    If it is anything like this year, the model numbers don't mean squat. My Caffeine 4SL is, component and price wise, above the Caffeine 3.

    Here's a crazy thought for 2008 Cannondales - how about some forks that can hold their air and oil for longer than 5 minutes?!?!?! I know, it's a radical idea, but I feel it may help the performance somewhat

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    on the weightweenies forum (weightweenies.starbike.com) a person called cswi9367 write this:

    "rdered a 2008 Scalpel this afternoon. I have the book in front of me with the photos/specs. I do not own a scanner, so i cant scan, but i will list specs and pricing below.

    Frameset is 3000 usd with BB30, and 2000 with trade in policy. BLU in color and Carbon in material.

    photos: (not my pix)
    This is the BLU in front, RAW behind it
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    team colors REP
    http://www.rijwielpaleis.nl/diversen...lpel2008-1.jpg

    Forks:
    Lefty Speed Carbon SL: 975.00
    Left Speed FOX RLC: 1049.00
    Spped Alloy DLR2: 712.00


    SCALPEL TEAM: 6499 USD
    Frame: Scalpel Carbon BB30, 100mm
    Fork: Lefty Speed Carbon SL, 110 mm
    Rear Shock: DT Swiss Carbon 190 SSD
    Rims: Mavic CrossMax SLR UST
    Hubs: Mavic CrossMax SLR UST
    Spokes: Mavic CrossMax SLR UST
    Tires: Maxxis MONORAIL SC UST, 26 x 2.0"
    Pedals: CrankBrothers Egg Beater
    Crank: Cannondale Hollowgram BB30 SL, 29/44 Black
    Chain: Shimano 9-Speed
    Rear Cogs: Shimano XTR 11-34
    Bottom Bracket: Cannondale BB30, Ceramic Bearing
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X-0
    Shifters: SRAM X-0 Trigger
    Handlebars: FSA K-Force, flat
    Stem: Cannondale XC3 Si, 31.8 mm
    Headset: Cannondale HeadShok Si
    Brakeset: Avid ULTIMATE
    Brakelevers: Avid ULTIMATE 160/140
    Saddle: Fi'zi:k Gobi XM
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Colors: Vredestein Team Replica (gloss) (REP)


    SCALPEL 1: 5999 USD
    Frame: Scalpel Carbon BB30, 100mm
    Fork: Lefty Speed Carbon SL, 110 mm
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Rims: Shimano XTR UST
    Hubs: Shimano XTR UST
    Spokes: Shimano XTR UST
    Tires: Maxxis MONORAIL SC UST, 26 x 2.0"
    Pedals: CrankBrothers Egg Beater
    Crank: Cannondale Carbon BB30 22-32-44
    Chain: Shimano 9-Speed
    Rear Cogs: Shimano XT 11-34
    Bottom Bracket: Cannondale BB30
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X-0
    Shifters: Shimano XT Rapidfire
    Handlebars: Controltech Carbon, flat
    Stem: Cannondale XC3 Si, 25.4 mm
    Headset: Cannondale HeadShok Si
    Brakeset: Shimano XTR, 160/160
    Brakelevers: Shimano XTR
    Saddle: Fi'zi:k Gobi XM
    Seat Post: Controltech Carbon
    Colors: Patriot Blue (gloss) (BLU)


    SCALPEL 1: 3999 USD
    Frame: Scalpel Carbon 100mm
    Fork: Lefty Speed Carbon FOX RLC, 110 mm
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Rims: DT Swiss XR 4.2D Disc, 24 Hole
    Hubs: Cannondale Lefty SL front, Sun Ringle Dirty Flea Rear
    Spokes: DT Swiss Competition
    Tires: Maxxis MONORAIL XC, 26 x 2.0"
    Pedals: CrankBrothers Egg Beater
    Crank: SRAM GXP1 22-32-44
    Chain: Shimano 9-Speed
    Rear Cogs: SRAM PG-970, 11-34
    Bottom Bracket: SRAM GXP
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X-9
    Shifters: SRAM X-9 Trigger
    Handlebars: Controltech Carbon, flat
    Stem: Cannondale XC3 Si, 25.4 mm
    Headset: Cannondale HeadShok Si
    Brakeset: Avid Juicy Carbon, 160/160
    Brakelevers: Avid Juicy Carbon
    Saddle: Fi'zi:k Aliante Delta Mg
    Seat Post: Controltech Carbon
    Colors: Jet Black (matte) (BBQ)



    SCALPEL 1: 3299 USD
    Frame: Scalpel Aluminum 100mm
    Fork: Lefty Speed Bonded DLR2, 110 mm
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Rims: Sun Equalizer welded 24 Hole
    Hubs: Cannondale Lefty SL front, Sun Ringle Dirty Flea Rear
    Spokes: DT Swiss Competition
    Tires: Maxxis MONORAIL XC, 26 x 2.0"
    Pedals: CrankBrothers Egg Beater
    Crank: SRAM GXP1 22-32-44
    Chain: Shimano 9-Speed
    Rear Cogs: SRAM PG-970, 11-34
    Bottom Bracket: SRAM GXP
    Front Derailleur: Shimano LX
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X-9
    Shifters: SRAM X-9 Trigger
    Handlebars: Cannondale C2 Alloy, flat
    Stem: Cannondale XC3 Si, 25.4 mm
    Headset: Cannondale HeadShok Si
    Brakeset: Avid Juicy 7, 160/160
    Brakelevers: Avid Juicy 7
    Saddle: Fi'zi:k Aliante Delta Mg
    Seat Post: Cannondale C3 2014 Alloy
    Colors: Raw Hi-Bright (gloss) (RAW)


    SCALPEL 1: 2499 USD
    Frame: Scalpel Carbon BB30, 100mm
    Fork: Lefty Speed Carbon FOX RLC, 110 mm
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Rims: WTB Speed Disc XC, 32 Hole
    Hubs: Cannondale Lefty front, Shimano M525 Rear
    Spokes: DT Swiss Competition
    Tires: Maxxis MONORAIL SC UST, 26 x 2.0"
    Pedals: Wellgo Clipless
    Crank: SRAM GXP2 22-32-44
    Chain: Shimano 9-Speed
    Rear Cogs: Shimano HG50, 11-32
    Bottom Bracket: SRAM GXP
    Front Derailleur: Shimano LX
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X-9
    Shifters: SRAM X-7 Trigger
    Handlebars: Cannondale C2 Alloy, flat
    Stem: Cannondale XC3 Si, 25.4 mm
    Headset: Cannondale HeadShok Si
    Brakeset: Avid Juicy 3, 160/160
    Brakelevers: Avid Juicy 3
    Saddle: Cannondale X-Country
    Seat Post: Cannondale C3 2014 Alloy
    Colors: Race Red (gloss) (RED2) Jet Black (matte) (BBQ2)"

    intresting is that it seems to be cheaper to buy a scalpel 1 for 2499 dollars then just the frame

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    annoying:

    Lefty w/FOX RLC is the most expensive as a separate buy, but not fitted in the two high-end scalpels?

    Maybe heavier?

    Let's see the final specs at the Eurobike Exhibition (in almost 4 weeks)
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    I'm sure the $2500 Scalpel is with the Alum. frame. Must be a mistake.

    Did you see the XTR Lefty Wheel from the other side? That Pisses Me Off
    Should have known they would make it so you could only use a special Shimano rotor for their XTR wheel. Still a 6 bolt, but a much bigger radius than standard.

    Some great pics on that site. Thanks for the link
    Look at the new 2 ring SL Crank, ceramic bearings, carbon frame...

    One thing that is troubling: The upper models come with the SL Lefty, but the Fox Lefty is more expensive.
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    There are many mistakes in those specs. like a X.0 rear derailleur mated to XT Rapidfire Shifters...

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    Here are the pics of the Team Scalpel.

    Note about XTR wheels: Looks like the rotors are Centerlock not 6-bolt attached.
    At least I sort of like my front XTR brake (at least modulation wise). The rear is underpowered beyond my needs though.
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    Nice pics....this bike is looking top notch. I'm wondering how the new Maxxis Monorail tires are going to turn out too. I've read they were developed specifically for Cannondale.

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    2008 Team Scalpel, with 2007 parts...






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    So no Rush 29er?? That's a shame. It would make for an awesome endurance racer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sthrnfat
    So no Rush 29er?? That's a shame. It would make for an awesome endurance racer.

    I second that. However I doubt Cannondale will have the fortitude to introduce a Rush 29er (read 4" single pivot FS bike) in 08. They will wait until the market develops to ensure profitability .......

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    I'll be interested to see how low the Caffein frame is specd. Anyone know how the cheaper Caffein will be specked and how it will be priced. And what about the CO2 line? Anyone have a guess?
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    What's the BCD size of the 2x9 SL cranks? I've been looking for 29t and 40t chainrings to run on my 4 arm si cranks, but it they don't seem to exist. It looks like some of the pros are running the 5 arm si cranks that you can get smaller rings for.

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    It's a 5 bolt 94 BCD. A 29T ring is too small for a 104 BCD 4 bolt setup (the smallest they can take is 32T).

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    Thanks for the info Dan. I'm surprised that not more stock xc race bikes don't come with 5 arm cranks. I don't know about others, but there aren't many xc courses where I'm using the 44t ring, especially with a 12-27 cassette.

    Off the topic a bit, does anyone know if its possible just to replace the arms on the cranks or is it all one piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    It's a 5 bolt 94 BCD. A 29T ring is too small for a 104 BCD 4 bolt setup (the smallest they can take is 32T).

    Extralight makes a 30t 104 BCD 4 bolt, which I use on my bike with a 42t Specialities TA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxsec
    Extralight makes a 30t 104 BCD 4 bolt.
    Good to know...

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    Cannot find any F1, F2 or F3 hardtail information only F4-F7

    I'm looking at getting a new hardtail soon. I have put around 17,000 miles on my 2006 F2000sl and I noticed a small crack developing in the frame recently. Looking for a frame with the same color scheme so it will match my fatty fork.














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    2008 Cannondale Catalog

    I just took a good long look at the '08 catalog and there was no mention of a new 130 or 160 mountain bike.
    The new FOX internal 110 Lefty RLS has a titanium spring, but it weighs over 3 lbs. - I think it was around 3.2 lbs. It has the same outers as the DLR2 so it is NOT the SL outers.
    The Rush does not have a new swingarm. At least that is what the Rep. says, and the catalog has no mention of it either.
    The new Scalpel has 100mm of rear travel.
    The Prophet comes with Fox Forks now - no Lefty Max. I know some of you will be very upset about this. I love mine, but this would be my second choice. I think it is a very good fork. It comes in 2 models. The upper model with the TALAS and the lower with 140mm.
    As you know there is a 29 in. hardtail line which includes a SS. No top of the line stuff comes with the SS model. Just one model with the cheap 110 Lefty. I think single speeders love heavy parts. Doesn't make sense, but Oh well.
    Perp is still around and the Judge is frame only as I heard in hear somewhere.

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    Alright so we've got all the normal info.

    NOW we really need to dig up some info on those 130 and 160 carbon bikes.
    Everyones got a little weight weinee in them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fooly_CoolyOo
    Alright so we've got all the normal info.

    NOW we really need to dig up some info on those 130 and 160 carbon bikes.
    I'm starting to think these will be released at a later date, a mid season launch... Apart from the list I copied from the 'register your bike' page, nothing else points to those bikes. But the new Scalpel was much easier to spot since they tested it in World Cups where there are always tons of photographers. A trail bike doesn't get as much exposure so it can be tested more secretly. I'm not sure we had much details about the Prophet before the official launch in Switzerland...

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    Apparently the catalog's are already hitting bike shops. Anyone have one and a scanner?

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    2008 forks information:

    Lefty Speed Carbon SL:............110 mm.......2.72 lbs
    Lefty Speed Carbon Fox RLC:...110 mm.......3.2 lbs
    Lefty Speed Carbon DLR:..........110 mm.......3.38 lbs
    Lefty Speed Bonded DLR:.........110 mm.......3.83 lbs
    Super Fatty DLR:......................80 mm........2.85 lbs
    Super Fatty Ultra DLR:..............80 mm........2.85 lbs

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    Apparently Perps come with shwanky sticker kits to put on your frame, just like what rock-shox did with the Totems.

    Kindda cool.
    Everyones got a little weight weinee in them

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    Just got catalog........hmmm let's see.........whaaaaaaaaaaat ???
    No Lefty on Prophet ????

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    .......also all Prophets ( 1;2;3;4) come in one color - no options ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    2008 forks information:

    Lefty Speed Carbon SL:............110 mm.......2.72 lbs
    Lefty Speed Carbon Fox RLC:...110 mm.......3.2 lbs
    Lefty Speed Carbon DLR:..........110 mm.......3.38 lbs
    Lefty Speed Bonded DLR:.........110 mm.......3.83 lbs
    Super Fatty DLR:......................80 mm........2.85 lbs
    Super Fatty Ultra DLR:..............80 mm........2.85 lbs
    No Lefty Max???

    Interesting that they're offering the regular Carbon DLR fork again as it wasn't available this year. I'd like to know how the RLC fork compares against the SL.

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    Looks like the Prophets are on their way out. I'm guessing we will see the mysterious Trail and Big Mountain models later in 2008... And no Lefty Maxes... A sad day...
    Anyway, I'm moving on in a lighter direction for my next bike:

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    The Rush swingarm looks mostly the same, but there is an extra piece of aluminum bolted between the tire and the seat tube to stiffen things up. I think this was a problem, as my Prophet has a noticeable amount of flex in the back. I was thinking of upgrading to the thru-12 swingarm, but it looks like it won't be available anymore.

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    mmmmmmm.......................SCALPELICIOUS

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    can you please post a picture of new perp... thanx a lot...

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    Really, there must be a good reason to Cannondale drop the Lefty Max off. Maybe we can't tell by now, but only time will tell, and we will be staring in wonder when Cannondale go for Round Two (Round 1 being the new Scalpel and minor tweaks in the rest of the line; well, 2008 is already knocking at the door...

    I'm really placing my bets on carbon bikes in 2008. The new Trail 130 and Big Mountain 160 will shake up the things a little (yeah, I'm being humble to consider it this way...

    My chance of ever get a Prophet are now all gone. I know how good it is, but with the new bikes just to come in within a few months, I won't go the Prophet way anymore. Also Dan pointed some interesting considerations about the Lefty Max being a bit updated, and with the evolution of new suspension forks, the Lefty Max HAD to be reconsidered.

    I'm really into all the integrated system Cannondale preaches and does extremelly well (differently of newcomers which are now bragging about integration when they only had the guts years after Cannondale get into the game and show how to score high with simple yet brilliant concepts), and that defines Cannondale as much as it works. So I think it's as much umprobable that they will leave such a good concept behind. That will live on the new bikes, and for sure we'll have good surprises.

    Now I'll probably wait 'till the new bikes (Trail and BM) to show up. I'm really impressed with the Rush, and even more with the Rush Carbon, but I'll wait to know for sure what bike to pick, just not to be regret after a while. But with any of them, I'd hardly be.

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    I'm at a split between a Rush 5z and a Prophet 1 or 2 for next year. I really want to wait for the Trail 130 but i need to buy my bike before the end of the month, so I wont get a chance to look at it or consider it unfortunately...
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    2008 US website is up

    The '08 website is complete and can be viewed http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/08/cusa/_index.html
    Although it's not "public" yet.

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    Nice! I think in Europe y'all only get white Perps...

    Kind of odd that they their Perp video features the '07 models. C-dale really needs to be up to speed on pushing their latest and greatest.

    And they got weights listed!

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    The video has been out for some time. It was made early spring '07.

    -R

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    I realize that; they couldn't put one together for '08?

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    Well technically it's not 2008 yet The bike still performs the same and is similarly spec'd from '07 to '08 just the paint has really changed. Seems like money that doesn't need to be spent. I would rather see them spend that cash on stuff to give away at the demo trucks, or vids for other products that don't have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    Well technically it's not 2008 yet The bike still performs the same and is similarly spec'd from '07 to '08 just the paint has really changed. Seems like money that doesn't need to be spent. I would rather see them spend that cash on stuff to give away at the demo trucks, or vids for other products that don't have one.
    I gotta agree with that!

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    Speaking of demo truck, my guy last weekend didn't even have a Perp on it. But the Judge kept me busy.

    By the way, I work in advertising so maybe I'm the only one that cares about the minutia of showing the correct/exact product you're promoting.

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    Yeah I understood what you were saying, however better than nothing is my feelings on the videos. I am sure making those things are $$. I am a graphic designer so I get your feelings on everything being spot on down to the finest details...

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.kazantzoglou
    The '08 website is complete and can be viewed http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/08/cusa/_index.html
    Although it's not "public" yet.
    I just noticed the "_" infront of the index.html ... Very tricky Cannondale

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