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    2014 Trigger 29 Carbon 1 - it's here!

    Just picked up my new Trigger 29 Carbon 1.
    Beautiful looking bike - too bad there's a foot of snow on the trails.

    Stock with tubes (no pedals) weighed in at 26 lbs. 15 oz.
    Not bad for an XL 29er with 130 front and rear.
    Should be closer to 26 even when set up tubeless.

    Nice component spec - can't wait to ride it!
    It's replacing a 2013 Trigger 29 Alloy 2 with a KS LEV post and Arch wheels. Time to sell the alloy!

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    Congrats.
    Pictures please...
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    Dangit , still waiting on my Scalpel.

    Yes...that's light for that caliber of bike Just keep looking at it til the weather breaks

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    I would love to demo one of these. Pinkbike has a review coming up on it sometime soon.

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    Don't have the heart to ride it until it's a little nicer out. Will post some pics when I get a chance - will be interesting to see Pinkbike review. My experience on the alloy trigger has been very positive - biggest difference will be the Lefty Supermax - looking forward to putting it through the paces.

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    The big question is....does it have internal cable routing or not. Cannondale hyped up that all the cables would be internally routed (the first photos showed full internal routing), but recent photos look like just the dropper.

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    The rear shock remote cable is internally routed.
    The dropper post is only internal once it hits the seat tube, it follows the underside of the down tube externally the rest of the way.

    Can't say I'm disappointed - had a bad experience with internally routed cables on a FS bike.

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    Is it Supermax carbon or not?
    According to Cannondale.com, Trigger 1 has Supermax carbon, but 2 just says Supermax (alloy not mentioned though).

    I have this year's Trigger 1 - absolutely awesome bike.

    I'm even glad it wasn't carbon since I had 2 pretty big rocks hitting the frame on two spots and scratching the metal on two places (seatstays and downtube), so I'm not too confident carbon would've handled it as well.

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    Yup - it's the Supermax Carbon PBR fork. Mixed feelings on alloy vs carbon - definitely worry less with alloy, but the stock Trigger 29er alloy 2 (2013) -was about 6 lbs heavier than the stock Trigger 29er Carbon 1. Pretty significant difference in weight. So far, my experience with carbon bikes is that most of the damage to carbon is cosmetic. The bikes are pretty tough.

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    Took it out for a 3 hour ride on Sunday. Overall very impressed with the bike. The Lefty was great on big hits, but didn't seem as responsive on smaller bumps. I'm wondering if it will break in a little with some more time on it. I may also play with pressure / rebound and see if I can tweak it in a little better.

    The Crossmax ST wheels are crazy stiff. They make Arch wheels feel flexy in comparison.

    I'm new to 1x11 - very sloppy day and no shift issues. It will take a little adjustment getting used to gear ratios, but at the end of the day I think it will be perfect for a trail bike.

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    Enjoy the ride... 6 lbs difference between alloy and Carbon wow...
    Any comparison between the 26er and 29er Trigger 1 Carbon ?
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    I suspect the frame weight is only a pound to a pound and a half different, but everything is lighter going from 2013 Alloy 2 to 2014 Carbon 1 ... lighter wheels, carbon bars, Lefty fork, XX1 group significantly lighter than X7/X9 2x10 group, etc.

    Can't compare to the 26er - never ridden it. I'm 6'5" - the 29er is the right platform for me.

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    Yes, difference in frames is about 0.5kg/bit over 1lbs.

    Drivetrain alone saves about 1kg compared to Trigger 2 2013, fork, wheels, carbon bars, brakes, etc it adds up to about 2kg difference.

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    You know the rules... photos or it didn't happen

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    Fair enough - no pictures, it didn't happen
    Here's a few pictures of the new rig - completely stock with exception of pedals - set up tubeless.

    Before anyone notices .... yes -that is the plastic spoke protector. I haven't taken the time to figure out how to remove X01 cassette yet. Doesn't use standard cassette removal tool.2014 Trigger 29 Carbon 1 - it's here!-img_0575.jpg2014 Trigger 29 Carbon 1 - it's here!-img_0574.jpg2014 Trigger 29 Carbon 1 - it's here!-img_0573.jpg2014 Trigger 29 Carbon 1 - it's here!-img_0572.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by sethdem View Post
    Fair enough - no pictures, it didn't happen
    I haven't taken the time to figure out how to remove X01 cassette yet. Doesn't use standard cassette removal tool.
    Just cut the dork cog with a pair of scissors...No need to remove the wheel or the cassette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sethdem View Post
    Before anyone notices .... yes -that is the plastic spoke protector. I haven't taken the time to figure out how to remove X01 cassette yet. Doesn't use standard cassette removal tool.
    It should use a standard tool since my SRAM cogset on my Flash 29r is the same tool I used to remove my Shimano cogs on my Synapse road bike. Granted my stuff is a little older, but it should be the same standard tool to remove the lock ring.

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    If you remove all the spokes you can access the spoke protector without removing the cassette....JUST KIDDING

    Surprised to hear the locking ring is not universal. hmmm

    Oh...and really nice bike

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    Yeah - I've removed the protectors before without removing cassette. This one looked a little more formidable. I'm sure it can be taken off with some scissors and a little effort. I was just in a hurry to ride it. Next time!

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    Very nice!

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    Merry Christmas to you!

    I am wondering how effective the 80mm setting is when hammering out of the saddle. Is there much movement in the rear shock?

    Sweet bike!

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    There is, but then it's not a lockout like on the Monarch RT3 on my Scalpel.

    On the brief test ride I did on the alloy version, the bike still pedalled up hills quite well, just not like the 11kg Scalpel (as you'd expect). You just need to be smooth with your pedal stroke and stay seated and you'll get up those hills sooner than you expect.

    While I'm really enjoying my Scalpel Carbon 2, when I see the Trigger Carbon I notice I am choosing my trails to suit the bike more than I would normally and wonder (momentarily) whether I perhaps should have waited a little for the carbon Trigger as a do-it-all bike.

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    I agree - the rear shock does move during out of the saddle efforts, even in 80 mm mode. Like any full suspension bike, you can minimize the amount of movement by trying to ride smoother. Despite the movement, I don't feel like the bike feels particularly inefficient.

    Scalpel is a whole different animal. It's definitely first and foremost a race bike. I had the Scalpel with the XX remote lockout and it immediately felt like a hard tail.

    For XC racing, the Scalpel is just plain better - lighter, less suspension, etc.

    Ask me which bike I take when I want to have fun, and it's the Trigger. Even before the carbon Trigger, I routinely picked the alloy Trigger over the carbon Scalpel for everything outside of racing.

    Personal preference is big - depends a lot on what you like to ride. The Trigger is wasted if you're going to ride smooth single track!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marin (CRO) View Post
    Yes, difference in frames is about 0.5kg/bit over 1lbs.

    Drivetrain alone saves about 1kg compared to Trigger 2 2013, fork, wheels, carbon bars, brakes, etc it adds up to about 2kg difference.
    Sounds about right. My Large 2013 Trigger 1 (alloy), after I swapped drivetrain to XX1, brakes to X0 trail, wheels to Enve AM, seat post to Reverb -- came to 28.0 lbs with XTR pedals and the beefy Hans Dampf tires.

    Now I wouldn't say no to a carbon frame, but pound-for-pound, my money is on carbon rims any day.

    Funny thing is, after I sold off the XT components, etc I took off the OEM build to do the above, the final bill way way less than the current Trigger 1 carbon retail price. It's a big premium for that new frame.

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    Lovely bike!

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    No doubt a premium for the carbon frame. I get a really good deal on Cannondale through a sponsorship our team has. Otherwise I'm pretty confident I wouldn't spend that kind of money on the carbon 1. A tricked out alloy bike would probably be more in my price range.

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    Per Bikerumor.com, carbon frame is approx. 550-600 grams lighter than alloy version. 1 - 1/3 lbs savings in frame weight at best case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sethdem View Post

    Before anyone notices .... yes -that is the plastic spoke protector. I haven't taken the time to figure out how to remove X01 cassette yet. Doesn't use standard cassette removal tool.
    All the XX1 and XO1 cassettes I've installed and removed have used the standard lockring tool. You may want to add some extra chain onto your chainwhip (I have a XX1-specific chainwhip that I added about 8 or 9 links to,) in order to get enough wrap on the 42t.

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    Thanks for the info - maybe I just need my vision checked. I took a quick glance and it didn't appear to use same lockring tool, but I didn't even give it a second glance. Right now it's hanging in the garage waiting for snow to melt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sethdem View Post
    Thanks for the info - maybe I just need my vision checked. I took a quick glance and it didn't appear to use same lockring tool, but I didn't even give it a second glance. Right now it's hanging in the garage waiting for snow to melt.
    Yeah, the way it's machined it looks a little different, but the ol' standby fits just fine. You can probably get away with a standard chainwhip since you're probably not going to pull it very often, but I didn't like how much it felt like it would slip. I have enough scars from wrenching bikes for the last 2 decades, thankyouverymuch!

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    2014 Trigger 29 Carbon 1 - it's here!

    Congrats also. I thought it will have SiSL cranks.
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    Latest photo

    Here's the latest photo. Lots of mud today - somehow the bike looks better muddy.
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    Has your Lefty broken in and gotten better with small bump compliance?

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    Yes, fork definitely seems to have broken in some. I've only got about 4 hours on it, but noticing a difference already. Didn't notice any issues with small bump sensitivity on last ride.

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    Waiting for my new trigger 29 carbon 1 since august 2013. They induced me to order one , in order to avoid stock problems. The fact is that i'm still waiting and the dealer says there's no delivery date yet! Anyone else waiting with no date? Im from spain. Thanks.

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    Well.... Triggers 29's are coming in mid March, so your bike is coming then. If you try to order now its out of stock. On the other hand Trigger 26 ultimate is in stock with discounts !!

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    I see, so the problem is my dealer, who doesn't explain the things as they are! Thank you Chris anyway! I'll post some fotos when the bike comes.

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    Man I can't decide between these two bikes... Trigger 29 Carbon 2 or Scalpel 29 carbon 2. (I think I will upgrade the lefty to carbon in either case)... I am coming from a 125mm turner sultan, and admittedly prefer XC riding...but I would just want to feel a little more comfortable than I do right now on the downhills. Do we think there would be about two pounds of difference? We have a alloy scalpel for my wife/son to ride (which my buddy LOVES to borrow...so I know the Scalpel is great). I am just trying to work out if the dual bike concept is worth it... Or whether it will be a passing fad. (And another interesting Cannondale experiment).

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    My personal opinion - while I'm fine with the dual travel bike concept, I'm not convinced it makes the bike. I really like the Trigger 29 for the added stiffness and the trail bike geometry. It will definitely make you more comfortable on descents than a Scalpel. You may not be a ton faster, but you will definitely feel more comfortable.

    On my Scalpel, I've been over the bars a number of times. I'm not sure I've ever been over the bars on a Trigger. It just keeps your weight back further (and lower especially when using dropper post).

    If racing, I would go with the Scalpel. If not racing, and you want an all around fun bike I would go for the Trigger.

    Overall, the Scalpel is a super efficient 100 mm bike that rides like an 80 mm bike.
    The Trigger is an overbuilt 130 mm bike that rides like 130mm bike (or more).

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    I agree with sethdem,
    I've done some pretty stupid moves on Trigger and luckily didn't get hurt in the process

    It's incredibly stable bike and easy to recover.

    As for the Scalpel, it's a great bike no doubt, but I wouldn't buy it (or similar bike) as it's kinda nor here nor there - Flash (or similar HT bike) is more efficient and better for racing while Trigger (or Jekyll) are better suited for gnarly trails and do-it-all attitude.

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    I talked myself, and with a little help of the shop, into a Scalpel 29 Carbon 2. My Turner Sultan is 125mm, and i am not rad enough to use all of that shock... so I thought I would buy a bike that complements the Turner. For lazy days to plod around, I'll use the Turner. I hear the Turner DW link does a great job on the climb, and I might like climbing that more than the Trigger. Anyways, that was my thinking. We'll have two Scapels in the household! time to find another thread!

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    I am lucky enough to have picked up the same bike. Did you find the rebound to be dreadfully slow? I only have 6 hours on it thus far. I'm hoping the seals will break-in and solve this.
    The handle bar and stem looks like a poor spec choice. I will be replacing with some ENVE bars and a Easton stem. Also, the bike would surely benefit from a travel reducer for the fork on the bars. I'm looking forward to dialing it in, and putting many hard miles on this baby! Good luck with your bike!
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    Hey Brian - haven't noticed the rebound to be slow, but I've only got a few hours on it. Enve bars and Easton stem would be nice choice - not sure if there's any kind of travel reducer available for Lefty Supermax. Good luck with your rig!

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    Thanks Seth. I know the travel adjuster is not available at this moment. I was just voicing my opinion and just being picky. I would like to see this for 2015. The bike is fantastic! Good luck with your new ride!
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    I agree with Sethdems view as well. While I went with the Scalpel, if I wasn't racing I'd have gone for the Trigger for sure. It's just such a capable descender with that short stem and stable 29er geometry. And its better to have a little more bike than you need than too little.

    In fact my choice of bike has had an impact on the trails I ride. My immediate local (Manly Dam) has gotten very rough through poor maintenance and I tend to ride to trails further away so as to avoid abusing my (for me) light weight Crest wheels.

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