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    Smile 2008 Scalpel prototype... some pictures!

    Hi,

    Have a look at that... here's the link

    http://picasaweb.google.com/guslotra...aleScalpel2008

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    ! It's a yeti with a Lefty !

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    great photos thanks for the post!

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    No good hope that's functional

    hi,

    the old scalped design was better (aestetically speaking)

    let's see what's on in 2008!

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    scalpel 2008 looks great

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    Right in time for my birthday!

    Looks nice, cleaner looking than the Scalpel (particularly the seatstays), no pivots at the stays junction, the seatstays look like they are a bit flattish like the chainstays, probably to flex a bit since there are no pivots at the dropouts... Should be light and stiff! Can't wait to see the production version and it's carbon front end...

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    Looks very nice indeed! With a little luck we'll see the full carbon version in a short while.
    Can't wait!
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    i like the bridge between the chain stays, that should really stiffen up the rear end
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    New question here. Is it a Full Suspension, right?

    I couldn't have a good glimpse of the chain stay link bushings near the seat tube. Is it a Full Suspension now or it's still a Soft Tail? Anyway, it looks amazing, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    I couldn't have a good glimpse of the chain stay link bushings near the seat tube. Is it a Full Suspension now or it's still a Soft Tail? Anyway, it looks amazing, though.
    It still has flexing chainstays but the new seatstays look to have some flex too so they got rid of the pivots at the dropouts. Less pivots is a good thing to me...

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    looks like a rush to me. and looks like longer wheel base vs. the "current" Scalpel

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    I had told you

    @ "Prototype of the Scalpel successsor spotted in Houffalize"

    ...maybe the bag has been strategically placed to mask the "no-pivot" between the chain and the upper stays by another (one more than in the Scalpel) flexing carbon part. They said it will be revolutionary, isn't it?

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    I wouldn't call it revolutionnary but evolutionnary, flexing chainstays were already there and flexing seatstays have been used in other designs years ago as were designs without pivots at the dropouts. It's not important to be revolutionnary though, the whole package, it's weight, stiffness, ride qualities are what it's all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sp3000
    great photos thanks for the post!
    ehi the photos are mine!!!!! thanks for compliments indeed!

    just in case...here is my blog:

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    Sweet looking bike, wouldn't mind taking it for a spin.
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    I think it's the first time I see a Vredestein-Cannondale team bike with Vredestein tires, they used to ride with Maxxis or Schwalbe tires with black marker to hide the labels even though the title sponsor was Vredestein...
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    Good call I noticed that as well! I wonder if those tires are any good, we don't see many here in Australia and by many I mean ANY!

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    More pics

    More pics on http://forum.mountainbike.be/viewtop...r=asc&start=48. This prototype features the new SL hollowgram crankset of 616 grams.

    A total weight of 9,36 kilos. That's not bad. 9 kilos should be within reach for the full carbon bike.

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    9.3 kg? well, i dunno what top of the line 4inch xc machines usually weigh, but 9.3 is extremely light. does anybody know if the idea is to keep the current scalpel as a bike with less travel, or just leave it behind for the sake of evolution? i'm really excited to see what cannondale comes up with next year, especially in terms of the prophet or longer travel bikes. as things are right now i think i'm getting a system six for some diversified training. still not sure if i can justify the extra cost over a caad 9, but we'll see how it turns out i guess.

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    So has anything really been said about the amount of travel yet? 100mm gets tossed around, but that would seem to be too close to the rush. I could see them bumping up travel across the board (rush to 5 inches, prophet to 6 in, 6.5 maybe) but that apparently isnt in the cards either, according to this: http://www.probike.be/article.php3?id_article=376 looks like the rush is staying at 110mm, so I wonder what the plan is. (unless the rush 1, 2 and 3 have more travel than the lower end ones, which I notice all have 5 inch forks)

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    The travel of the new Scalpel will be 90 mm.
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    There's a scalpel...somewhere

    Thought everyone might like to see one ridden in anger (or just plain mud)


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    Check out the transition between the BB and the chainstays! Compared to the current Scalpel this is a work of art. The only thing that looks a little cheap to me is the new "frog link".
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    more pics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Looks tight - still question the soft-tail design. How long are the carbon stays going to hold up? I think the previous design was better suited for stay life. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe not. I just would not trust laying out no doubt heavy jack without a lifetime frame warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Station
    Looks tight - still question the soft-tail design. How long are the carbon stays going to hold up? I think the previous design was better suited for stay life. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe not. I just would not trust laying out no doubt heavy jack without a lifetime frame warranty.
    It's still going to have a lifetime warranty and what makes these stays more fragile than the current ones? Are you saying that because it has more travel? And now we'll be able to trade the seat collar for a QR one more easily if we like.

    As for the swing link, remember this is still not a production unit (clearly shown by the lack of any cable guides) and they might still be fine tuning the shock's rate with the link...
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    SWEET !!!!!!! Although it looks like a modified Rush, I can't wait to try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nico2me
    SWEET !!!!!!! Although it looks like a modified Rush, I can't wait to try it.
    You are not alone, like I always do when Cannondale introduce a new bike, I have the itch to get one, I kind of miss a sub 23 pounds bike with my Prophet.

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    I wouldn't worry too much about the chainstays holding up. I haven't had the slightest issue with my chainstays on the current Scalpel. Here's 2 more pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    You are not alone, like I always do when Cannondale introduce a new bike, I have the itch to get one, I kind of miss a sub 23 pounds bike with my Prophet.
    I feel the same way with all new Cdale models, but I certainly don't miss ultralight weight race bikes that deflect all over the place, I'm not going back that route ever!!

    That said, the Scalpel replacement should be a rocket for its intended use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiar577
    I feel the same way with all new Cdale models, but I certainly don't miss ultralight weight race bikes that deflect all over the place, I'm not going back that route ever!!

    That said, the Scalpel replacement should be a rocket for its intended use.
    Well, I would keep the Prophet for rougher trails... You can never have too many bikes no?

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    Yeah - the travel is my main concern with the pivotless stays - can they handle the increased travel. Is this mount morphing towards a trail bike? What will this look like in 2 years? As a straight-up racing rig I love it - anything more - I don't know

    My concerns aside - this is one of the best looking rigs I've seen for a while. Can't wait for ride reports. An old F-700 was my first serious rig 11 years ago - an though I am now Fisher mounted - I'm still partial to c-dale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayba
    Check out the transition between the BB and the chainstays! Compared to the current Scalpel this is a work of art. The only thing that looks a little cheap to me is the new "frog link".
    Kayba
    The link itself looks similar to the Rocky Mountain Element's.

    Also, will head angle stay at 70? I always saw that as slack for a racer, especially when cdale has a 100m endurance machine in the rush. If the scalpel gets pushed to 71 or 71.5, that would further distinguish the two bikes.

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    The Rush has a 69 head angle. I think 70 works great on the Scalpel, it's nervous and quick enough to be a race bike but still stable enough at high speed to gain time on other racers on the way down. Now with 90mm of travel, it's going to be a great FS race bike I think, I hope to get a chance to try it...

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    No Worries Dan, I will send you lots of picks when I get mine
    one pedal stroke at a time

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    While pictures are always nice and welcomed, it doesn't really compare with a test ride... so you could lend it to me for a few weeks, I'll take great care of it, I promise!

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    29??

    This new design looks very good. I am glad to see the shock moved up and away from the rear wheel's' mud spray. It will also be much easier to reach the controls on the rear shock.

    I personally have a F-29 Single speed and a Rush Alloy. There are things that I prefer about each of them but lately I have been on the 29er more. Riding the two back to back makes me wish for a short travel 29er dual sus bike.

    C-dale, are you listening?? This design in a 29er format makes a ton on sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    The Rush has a 69 head angle. I think 70 works great on the Scalpel, it's nervous and quick enough to be a race bike but still stable enough at high speed to gain time on other racers on the way down. Now with 90mm of travel, it's going to be a great FS race bike I think, I hope to get a chance to try it...
    The Scalpel has amongst the least agressive head angles amongst popular race bikes. anthem: 72, superlight: 71, blur xc: 71, epic: 71, element: 71 -- and some of those are arguably better for marathon XC than XC racing. With the Rush at 100mm and 69 HA, I think the scalpel moving to 71 from a company standpoint is smart, espcially since some will view the extra rear travel as slower.

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    In handling there is more to consider than simply head angle. I believe the Lefty has about 5mm more offset than a conventional suspension fork. This reduces the trail of the bike meaning that it steers more quickly than the head angle alone would indicate. This is what Fisher has done with its Genesis bikes to speed up the handling without changing head angle.
    I wondered why the Rush I used to have felt so fast steering compared with a 5-spot with the same HA, compared the offset of the Fox vs the Lefty and there was the reason.

    edit: just checked on Cdale's website and their offset (rake) is listed as 4.6cm or the same as Fisher's G2 Geometry.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?.../trek_mtb_2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Wombat
    In handling there is more to consider than simply head angle. I believe the Lefty has about 5mm more offset than a conventional suspension fork. This reduces the trail of the bike meaning that it steers more quickly than the head angle alone would indicate. This is what Fisher has done with its Genesis bikes to speed up the handling without changing head angle.
    I wondered why the Rush I used to have felt so fast steering compared with a 5-spot with the same HA, compared the offset of the Fox vs the Lefty and there was the reason.

    edit: just checked on Cdale's website and their offset (rake) is listed as 4.6cm or the same as Fisher's G2 Geometry.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?.../trek_mtb_2007

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    too k the words out of my mouth. ro rather away from my fingertips.
    I hopped onto a RUSH fitted with a Marzocchi BOMBER (Don;t ask which one cos I only know Lefty's).
    The steering of that bike felt very slow compared to my Lefty Equipped Rush.
    My Scalepl also with only a 70Degree HA, feels about as fast in the steering in the as an ANthem.

    I would guess that Lefty is worth about 1.5degrees in head angle due to the lower trail figure and the added stiffness.

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    Please Please Mr. C-dale Make me a bouncy 29..

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxrep
    Yes, C-dale is listening. For 08 they are offering four F-29's and the unofficial buzz is that there is an 08 29er scalpel.
    Hal-la-lu-YA!!!

    I really hope that this is the case. If so my Rush will be on e-Bay in a hurry!

    Keep those pics coming. A photo of a 29er dual sus bike would be like x-mas.
    ..I'd rather be a headlight on a northbound train..

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    Good Vibes

    I talked to my rep last week and he didn't know what coming down the line for 29", but he did say that the higher ups were very happy with the way the F29 sold this year. I would not be suprised if max rep is correct. I like the idea of a short travel race 29er, that part of the market is very under served.

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    More...

    Roel and Fredrik had new bikes today at WC #3... By looking at their integrated headsets a la Carbon Rush and Taurine, it looks like they were had the carbon front triangles...









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    I love the third one.

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    08' looks to be a breakout year for C-dale. I rode the Super Six the other day and it is indeed worth all the hoopla!

    This bike rides much like a Look 585 but stiffer in all the right ways.

    Now if they just build a short travel 29er dual sus bike! An alloy bike would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Roel and Fredrik had new bikes today at WC #3... By looking at their integrated headsets a la Carbon Rush and Taurine, it looks like they were had the carbon front triangles...
    Is it me or does his (Roel I guess) bike look too small for him? He looks cramped.

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    But Fredrik finished way down in 42nd while Ralph Naef finished 5th. He must had a technical problem or been sick because he usually never leaves the top 10...

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    The new bike looks awesome. I don't know about you guys but I am ready to order my new Scalpel
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    Some like smaller bikes...

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    Cannondale finally talks about the bike but... not much details. Now, I just finished negotiating the terms of a new job, I'll be getting an additional 10$ per hours soon, when can I put my name on the list to get a Team Replica 2008 Scalpel or whatever the bike's called?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    Cannondale finally talks about the bike but... not much details. Now, I just finished negotiating the terms of a new job, I'll be getting an additional 10$ per hours soon, when can I put my name on the list to get a Team Replica 2008 Scalpel or whatever the bike's called?
    Well Dan, congrats with the additional $10! The trouble is there is no list yet apparently. My lbs is not amused that he hasn't gotten any information about the new Scalpel yet and that people are lining up to place their order. I am certainly one of them

    PS the carbon bike of Paulissen weighs a scant 9,16 kilos! That is a 200 gram difference compared to the alu bike. I think the frame is sub 2000 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayba
    Well Dan, congrats with the additional $10! The trouble is there is no list yet apparently. My lbs is not amused that he hasn't gotten any information about the new Scalpel yet and that people are lining up to place their order. I am certainly one of them

    PS the carbon bike of Paulissen weighs a scant 9,16 kilos! That is a 200 gram difference compared to the alu bike. I think the frame is sub 2000 grams.

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    Same thing with my LBS when I was asking about the Rush before it came out, the boss didn't like the fact that I knew more about it than them!

    Maybe I'll go watch the next World Cup and sneak into the pits, the next two World Cups are nearby, in the Province of Quebec.

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    I really like the look (and the lighter weight!) of the new bike, but have to agree with others that the lack of two water bottles in the frame is a downside for me.
    I will probably wait out the first year until they get the bugs ironed out of this design. After having a sudden loss of air pressure on my Lefty Carbon SL when the piston suddenly broke this weekend makes me cautious about first year Cannondale products. Great products, but I hate being a consumer production beta tester!

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    Smile success

    well this new scalpel will be a very successful bike i think...
    so if you don't get it soon (beta tester ) you will wait till you get one!!
    taurine is a lession

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    one pedal stroke at a time

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    Nice picture A-DOG! I really want one, there's a missing sub 24lbs FS bike in my stable...

    Here's the picture so we don't have to click the link:


    And here is crappy translation of the small article from www.dirty-pages.net:

    Quote Originally Posted by dirty-pages.net
    The officiele pressrelease must come still, but in Champery already 2 definite continuators of the current scalpel were admire. Carbonnen voorframe have a scalpel achtige located achtervork without articulation points. Also the feather construction uses the application of linkage for the supervision of the silencing device such as Cannondale however lateral also much more rigid and as a result, much more directly will sense in the Judge, makes. Because Roel Paulissen say to own ' already surplus on its kloten for that had had ' no stationary photograph of the bicycle, but this satisfies provisionally...
    And yet another one (I'd like to get detailed shots of the front triangle's tube junctions, it's looking more like the Taurine Carbon 'tubes' look than the Rush Carbon swoopy curves...):

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    are you sure...

    ...the front triangle is carbon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstdvd70e02
    ...the front triangle is carbon?
    Not sure no, hard to tell from those pictures but the production version should be carbon, maybe they will have both, an alloy version to have a lower priced race FS bike.

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    Yep it is carbon. You can tell because it is a non tapered down tube. The alloy version has a tapered downtube similar to the old Scalpel.

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    ... and if we just ... "new" scalpel

    I think it is aluminum. The head tube doesn't appear to be as large as a Taurine. My mechanic has a Taurine, I have a F1 and there is a significant difference in the head tube. But I could be wrong, been wrong plenty of times. I am sure that the new bike looks sick. Might have to sell the hardtail, and buy one of those. Cannondale really does a fantastic job on there bikes, I am stoked to see it in real life. Can't wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    Yep it is carbon. You can tell because it is a non tapered down tube. The alloy version has a tapered downtube similar to the old Scalpel.
    Et voila!

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    You should check it out in person Dan, they will have them at the Mt. St. Anne world cup. They are ridiculously light from what I have heard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    You should check it out in person Dan, they will have them at the Mt. St. Anne world cup. They are ridiculously light from what I have heard!
    I may just do that: snap some detailed pics, lift it, feel it, steal it... If you hear about a missing bike after that, don't tell anyone how to find me!

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    Wow guys! I'm totally impressed with your guys' ability to find pics and info before cdale tells us. I have a question that is probably a no brainer for you guys. What is the lefty fork on all these world cup racers' bikes it says 88+ and there is some writing on them that say "Optimnized by" something that looks like it may be a M or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumshcawheely
    Wow guys! I'm totally impressed with your guys' ability to find pics and info before cdale tells us. I have a question that is probably a no brainer for you guys. What is the lefty fork on all these world cup racers' bikes it says 88+ and there is some writing on them that say "Optimnized by" something that looks like it may be a M or something.
    They ride the Lefty Speed SL.
    88+ is a shop that tunes Lefties and Headshoks in Europe (Switzerland I think) and they work with the Vredestein-Cannondale team, they have been for a few years I think. If you have some cash, they can do the same for you!

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    Thanks Dan!

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    Well, I think Cannondale is ready to talk a bit...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    They ride the Lefty Speed SL.
    88+ is a shop that tunes Lefties and Headshoks in Europe (Switzerland I think) and they work with the Vredestein-Cannondale team, they have been for a few years I think. If you have some cash, they can do the same for you!
    I thought it was for the 88 needle bearings in the fork, but I guess maybe the company is named after this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideFaster
    I thought it was for the 88 needle bearings in the fork, but I guess maybe the company is named after this.
    Yep, I think they are named after the 88 needles...

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    Dan,
    Ithink those are aluminum front triangles. Take a closer look at the shock linkage under the top tube. Very weedy for a carbon moulding wouldn't you agree?

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    Weedy? As in skinny and thin or as in 'built by a guy on weed'?

    They are carbon front triangles (confirmed elsewhere) but it looks to me that they might use bonded shock/link mounts, probably alloy mounts bonded to the carbon tubes... Now, are we looking at the production version or a prototype? Cannondale still calls it a prototype so it might not be in it's final shape just yet but as you said, making carbon molds for a few prototypes doesn't make too much sense. We'll see later when the bike is officially released I guess.

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    the bikes the team is riding on are ALUMINIUM prototypes.
    TAper of the downtube has nothing to do with material since the Rush does not have a tapered down tube...

    Look at the shocklinks for confirmation that the material is most likely aluminium.

    I can't see them making carbon moulds for a prototype.

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    I propose we bet then. Dan is going to go to the world cup in Mnt St Anne (right Dan?!?!). He can confirm for us. My bet is Carbon....and I will wager a water bottle on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad ronald
    I propose we bet then. Dan is going to go to the world cup in Mnt St Anne (right Dan?!?!). He can confirm for us. My bet is Carbon....and I will wager a water bottle on that one.
    Well, I may go but for the bookies: I bet Ron is right....

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    I don't know, this head tube doesn't look like any aluminum c-dale headtubes I have ever seen








    my taurine head tube

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    It's the headtube that had me thinking it was carbon, it has the integrated headset cups like the Taurine and the carbon Rush... not that they couldn't come up with an integrated headset on an alloy frame though.
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    my understanding is that the carbon ones are ready and depending on which process they use to mfg the carbon would depend on how much money it would cost to make the first couple
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    Even more pictures...

    We don't get more details on the bike but still...
    Now, if someone can arrange me a VIP test ride of the bike on the World Cup loop at Mont Sainte-Anne next week, I'll go for sure and end the carbon vs. alloy debate.










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    I bet it's going to be alum. That way the 1st year you can get the alum "team" with the SI cranks, then next year or so they will come out with the carbon, which by then it will be the only bike you can get with the SI cranks. Just look at their road and mtn bikes, they've done the same. They one up the next year model and drop the SI cranks on last years. Carbon rush for example. Can't get an alum rush with SI cranks anymore.
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    I'm going to Mt Ste-Anne for the world cup. I'll bring my friend with me, he's a photographer. I'll try to take a lot of pics of that new bike !

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    Interesting thread. It would be really fun to here what all of you who thinks it's aluframes the new white/yellow/black ones when you get proof it's carbon fibre. Why would they have different headset on the first new "Scalpel" and not on this and read Dan Gerous thoughts one more time.

    I know it's carbon fibre and knew that the weight on Roel Paulissens bike in Champéry is 9,14kg.

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    Carbon ..

    Spoke to a C'dale rep in Euope a few weeks ago and asked him about the new scalpel. On my question if it would have the main frame a'la the six-13 special edition scalpels the team riders had, he replied it would be more like the system-six. So carbon.

    There would also come something 'very radical' to replace the Prophet, so we''ll just have to wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerro
    Interesting thread. It would be really fun to here what all of you who thinks it's aluframes the new white/yellow/black ones when you get proof it's carbon fibre. Why would they have different headset on the first new "Scalpel" and not on this and read Dan Gerous thoughts one more time.

    I know it's carbon fibre and knew that the weight on Roel Paulissens bike in Champéry is 9,14kg.
    Interesting thread. It would be really fun to here what all of you who thinks it's carbonframes the new white/yellow/black ones when you get proof it's aluminium.

    i don´t say its aluminium, but you cant be that sure after seen just pictures from distans, in some pictures it looks like carbon, in other it looks like there are aluminium welds.

    the true is that your "source" hasn´t said anything that comfirm it´s carbon, just that you should look in some pictures, it can mean that its carbon, but it can also mean that he just whant you so se more pictures of the prototype, you read to mutch between the lines

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    carbon...aluminum...

    I am sure that they will make both varieties. I believe the ones pictured are of the aluminum type. either way, I can't wait to see it. Better yet, there should be a pole on how much travel is in the new bike. How far can the stays bend safely? 2 inches, 3 inches, or more?...

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    Carbon AND Aluminium

    Scalpel 2008 will come with a carbon front on the higher and an alu front on the lower models. This was told to me by a C'dale Rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbyte
    Scalpel 2008 will come with a carbon front on the higher and an alu front on the lower models. This was told to me by a C'dale Rep.

    I have heard the same thing.

    Unfortunately I nave also heard that they are off the back on the 29er version for at least another year. This is a total bummer as this would be a perfect 29er bike.

    In other related news I spoke with Mavic yesterday and they DO have plans for a lefty specific Crossmax 29 for the 2nd production run in the fall. The first run will be shipping around the 10th of July. I have already presold a few.


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    Anybody got word if they are going to start production again on the SI 2x9 MTB BB spindles and spiders? I have a 2x9 setup on one of my Scalpels and love it but I can't find another BB and spider. Anybody have one and want to sell it?

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    I was just talking to our Cdale rep today. They are saying we could see the new Scalpels roll out by September. He already has a Carbon 1 on order, he usually rides a small, but they wont be making that size for a while, so this will be a medium, which happens to be my size. I have been promised a proper test ride as soon as it arrives and perhaps the opportunity to use it in some fall races..............

    drool, drool, drool.........

    Also had a chance to check out the new Super Six, very nice.

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    Here are a few pictures from today's race at Mont Sainte-Anne.



























    Since Cannondale's welds are always so smooth, it makes it hard to see if these are alloy or carbon so we wont decide who's right and who's wrong with these... Kashi was on a new bike too but with the old paint job.

    Results. Not so bad as a team, all four riders finished in the top 10, only Jakob was still on the old Scalpel... Roel would have finished higher but he had a flat and had to run a long way to the tech zone...

    1 Julien Absalon (Fra) Orbea
    2 José Antonio Hermida Ramos (Esp) Multivan Merida
    3 Geoff Kabush (Can) Maxxis
    4 Christoph Sauser (Sui) Specialized
    5 Nino Schurter (Sui) Swisspower
    6 Fredrik Kessiakoff (Swe) Cannondale-Vredestein
    7 Roel Paulissen (Bel) Cannondale-Vredestein
    8 Kashi Leuchs (NZl) Cannondale-Vredestein

    9 Florian Vogel (Sui) Swisspower
    10 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Cannondale-Vredestein

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    Nice pics Dan. It is indeed still hard to see of it's Alu or Carbon. Another possibility might be that the Alu/Carbon Junction on the top tube is just before the damper fixing point so that both of the fixing points are on the Alu tubes. We'll have to wait and see.
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    www.canadiancyclist.com

    they have a long report and live updates. fk and rp were 4 and 5th at one point.
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    At least the front from the shock mount to head tube is alum. No doubt about it. The shock mount looks the same as an alloy rush. The head tube you can see the area about a half inch on top and bottem were the the HS cups are placed, just like all the alum frames. I'm telling yall. All alum the 1st year with SI cranks (team edition) and then next year or 2 they'll do a all carbon team and drop the SI cranks for the alum version. Makes sense to sell more bikes and it's what they did with the rush, 6-13 to the system six, etc...

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    Compare the bike Kashi rides to the ones that Fredrik and Roel are riding. I still bet my favorite water bottle that the front of their bikes are carbon and the one Kashi is riding is Alu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortechcoupe
    At least the front from the shock mount to head tube is alum. No doubt about it. The shock mount looks the same as an alloy rush. The head tube you can see the area about a half inch on top and bottem were the the HS cups are placed, just like all the alum frames. I'm telling yall. All alum the 1st year with SI cranks (team edition) and then next year or 2 they'll do a all carbon team and drop the SI cranks for the alum version. Makes sense to sell more bikes and it's what they did with the rush, 6-13 to the system six, etc...
    the head tube is carbon. it is identical to my taurine. the suspension linkage mount on the seat tube is carbon. and the top tube shock mount is also carbon. You don't weld mounts on the sides of tubes liek that. That would be really bad.

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