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    Micro Drive & Guide

    A couple of days ago I exchanged a few emails with Sean from Canfield HQ. I was originally fishing for a little info on both the 9t hub and what they are planing to do for chain retention. My question's were more specific to a 10 speed application.

    It's not much info but I reckon it's pretty exciting. So to keep a long story short I'll pass on what I had just found out.

    Hubs

    - 9-26t cassettes will be made available (I'm thinking 12x150)
    - 10 speed hubs will be offered with mini cluster, which includes the 4 bottom gears and the remaining range will be whatever you want.


    Guide

    - It was referred to as a micro guide
    - 28-32t range
    - I'd say by reading between the lines is that guide is light!

    Apparently they will be available in a few weeks and more info will accompany that release. Hopefully this scratches that itch you may have for now, but if your like me your still bloody itching!

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    What????

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    .....aaannd it looks like the 150x12 9t hubs are ready to go!

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    Very cool. Thanks for the update. I would love to run a 9-36 cassette for climbing and descending. Any thoughts or suggestions on what size chainring would be a good balance for going up and coming down?

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    At this stage I reckon I'm going to run a 28t front with a spiderless crank set of some description...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    At this stage I reckon I'm going to run a 28t front with a spiderless crank set of some description...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLD80 View Post
    Very cool. Thanks for the update. I would love to run a 9-36 cassette for climbing and descending. Any thoughts or suggestions on what size chainring would be a good balance for going up and coming down?
    So think of the front chain ring choice like this-

    26t = 33t
    27t = 34t
    28t = 35t
    29t = 36t
    30t = 37t
    31t = 38t
    32t = 39t

    These are rough #'s BTW. But close enough.

    The cool part is when you look at the other side- when running a 29t in the front, and a 9t-36t 10 speed cassette. You are climbing a 29- 36 and your fast gear feels normal (like a 36t). Without the front derailleur. No shifting in the front and more ground clearance with your chainguide or ring.

    The 150x12's are out now- with the 9 speed, 9-26t cassettes from Shimano.

    The 142x12 (convertible to 135) and QR 135's are coming in a couple of months-
    As well as the 10 speed conversion kits- ( the bottom four cogs 9-11, 13-16. matching to any 11-36t 10 speed cassettes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cSquared View Post
    So think of the front chain ring choice like this-

    26t = 33t
    27t = 34t
    28t = 35t
    29t = 36t
    30t = 37t
    31t = 38t
    32t = 39t

    These are rough #'s BTW. But close enough.

    The cool part is when you look at the other side- when running a 29t in the front, and a 9t-36t 10 speed cassette. You are climbing a 29- 36 and your fast gear feels normal (like a 36t). Without the front derailleur. No shifting in the front and more ground clearance with your chainguide or ring.

    The 150x12's are out now- with the 9 speed, 9-26t cassettes from Shimano.

    The 142x12 (convertible to 135) and QR 135's are coming in a couple of months-
    As well as the 10 speed conversion kits- ( the bottom four cogs 9-11, 13-16. matching to any 11-36t 10 speed cassettes)

    Could you paint a picture on how the guide might be adapted for anyone wanting to run a front ring 32t and under? I'm guessing spiderless....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Could you paint a picture on how the guide might be adapted for anyone wanting to run a front ring 32t and under? I'm guessing spiderless....
    It seems so:
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Could you paint a picture on how the guide might be adapted for anyone wanting to run a front ring 32t and under? I'm guessing spiderless....
    Yes, spiderless is the ticket.

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    A custom Straitline Silent Guide would make this all even better! Moto style without those cheap bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TLD80 View Post
    Are you building up the ONE?
    Built it up last year...

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    Can anyone in the know possibly elaborate on some of the finer points of the hub? eg, number of pawl and engagement points, hub & cassette body material, serviceability. Wondering if there will be color options??

    Off the subject a little, what I do find interesting is that none of the current C Bros frame lineup has a 142mm rear spacing. Is this suggesting that maybe at least One of their 2012 frames will be boasting a wider ares-end??
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    I am very interested in hearing more about the Canfield micro guide. I have a 28t spiderless ring ordered from HBC that will show up sometime this fiscal year, from what I read about the delivery times. It sounds like Canfield and MRP are the only companies that have recognized the market for this.
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    What about Road options, did they mention if they had plans for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Can anyone in the know possibly elaborate on some of the finer points of the hub? eg, number of pawl and engagement points, hub & cassette body material, serviceability. Wondering if there will be color options??

    Off the subject a little, what I do find interesting is that none of the current C Bros frame lineup has a 142mm rear spacing. Is this suggesting that maybe at least One of their 2012 frames will be boasting a wider ass-end??

    Can someone from Canfield's please answer some of the above questions.

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    Any pic's and/or info on the 150x12's that are available??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Can someone from Canfield's please answer some of the above questions.
    From a email with Sean the other day, it looks like to 2012 "ONE" will have removable spacers in the rear to go fromm 135 x12 to a 142x12mm configuration. Too bad the 2011 don't, would make finding factory wheelsets easier....
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    A 9t Hub tear down video

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    Sweet, thanks for that. The more info the better.

    Got anymore vid's, say on the micro guide? Pic's would be fine as well

    I just had a thought, do you think you might offer 9t wheelsets?

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    How many pawls and how much freeplay before engagement?

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    3 Pawls, 30 points so every 12 degrees engagement.

    MRP's Micro guide is a G2 SL chainguide with a smaller back plate. Same plastic guides.

    No plans right now for full built wheels with the 9t but we have been talking about it. Maybe next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    3 Pawls, 30 points so every 12 degrees engagement.

    MRP's Micro guide is a G2 SL chainguide with a smaller back plate. Same plastic guides.

    No plans right now for full built wheels with the 9t but we have been talking about it. Maybe next year.

    Whats the chance for the Micro Guide being available before the release of the hub? I wouldn't mind spinning a 28t now...

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    I am interested int he 135x9 rear hub for trail bike duties. It would be ideal if it could compete weight wise with the lighter hubs out there and perform comparably engagement wise. I think the real market for these is in running a 28 or 30 tooth front single and a big range rear cassette in trail bike fashion. I would love to drop my double but there are still times when I am thankful for that low gearing

    I know Lance is running this stup on his hardtail and waiting for all the parts to be released to do something similar on my Enduro.

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    Yep, I have a lump of cash put aside for when these components are released, I'm due for a new wheel set and the Micro Drive and Guide will be part of build. I'll be running a 28t front end, I think it'll work well the One's platform. I'm not too worried about weight of the hub, though I suspect it will be around the 350-450g mark. The hubs rotation multiplier is not a factor in my books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aenema View Post
    I think the real market for these is in running a 28 or 30 tooth front single and a big range rear cassette in trail bike fashion. I would love to drop my double but there are still times when I am thankful for that low gearing
    Absolutely. And it would solve a lot of the problems arising from fitting a front derailleur into a frame with short chainstays and lots of tire clearance. I'm about to build a trailbike with a 1x10 drivetrain: 28t x 11-36. I'm using a Hope hub, so if they ever come out with their 9-36 integrated cassette, I should be ready to go. I'm glad Canfield is on this track, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Yep, I have a lump of cash put aside for when these components are released, I'm due for a new wheel set and the Micro Drive and Guide will be part of build. I'll be running a 28t front end, I think it'll work well the One's platform. I'm not too worried about weight of the hub, though I suspect it will be around the 350-450g mark. The hubs rotation multiplier is not a factor in my books.
    Hey big, when you get your micro drive and guide installed please post some pics and give us your thoughts. I would love to hear how you like it when they become available. Cheers

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    I am concerned about weight to a degree. I have a DT Swiss 240 on there now and don't want a rear hub alone adding half a pound to my trail bike. I will some of that going single front but I think a weight concious solution would be better received in a 135x9 format by the masses without question. I imagine a lot of people would consider this for trail duties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I am very interested in hearing more about the Canfield micro guide. I have a 28t spiderless ring ordered from HBC that will show up sometime this fiscal year, from what I read about the delivery times. It sounds like Canfield and MRP are the only companies that have recognized the market for this.

    What crank set are you going to stick the spiderless ring on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    What crank set are you going to stick the spiderless ring on?
    An X9.

    I wanted an X0, but couldn't really justify it. There are some pretty good deals on eBay, but none of them had the new 64/104 spiders with lower gearing, which I want if I decide against the 1x setup at some point.
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    Parts this week...

    I am getting most of my parts this week, I will post pics as stuff comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supramk388 View Post
    I am getting most of my parts this week, I will post pics as stuff comes in.
    Cheeky bugger, rub it in why don't ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    rub it in why don't ya
    Not at all, just getting you excited for what is to come...



    The micro hub and spider-less chain ring in the next few days.
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    Looking good, I was just checking out Middleburn stuff this morning. My perusing had me running 10mins late for work...Got any idea of the weight of the arms and bb?

    I still reckon your rubb'n it in

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Looking good, I was just checking out Middleburn stuff this morning. My perusing had me running 10mins late for work...Got any idea of the weight of the arms and bb?

    I still reckon your rubb'n it in


    my bb from last year and those are 160s

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    Some pics with chainring




    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    I still reckon your rubb'n it in
    UPS did drop off a few things last night...


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    Quote Originally Posted by supramk388 View Post





    UPS did drop off a few things last night...


    now your just rubbing salt into the wound...

    Respectable weight for a hard-hitting set, ring included.

    Now if I could just get me some Canfield hoops to go with the Micro, and a 20mm front to complement.....I wonder..idea:

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    Shimano - Capreo Style 9-Speed Cassettes

    So far I have found these to cassette...

    9-26t: 9,10,11,13,15,17,20,23,26
    9-32t: 9,10,11,13,15,18,21,26,32

    I am running the 9-26 setup till I switch to SS.

    One other note you can not mix and match gears from other cassettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supramk388 View Post
    So far I have found these to cassette...

    9-26t: 9,10,11,13,15,17,20,23,26
    9-32t: 9,10,11,13,15,18,21,26,32

    I am running the 9-26 setup till I switch to SS.

    One other note you can not mix and match gears from other cassettes.
    That is just for that cassette eh..... And for 10 speed you would be able to choose the remainder gears with the provided mini-cluster?

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    I need to edit that some

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    That is just for that cassette eh..... And for 10 speed you would be able to choose the remainder gears with the provided mini-cluster?
    I was planning on using the Capreo 9,10,11 gears, then for my last 6 I was going to use Shimano Dura-Ace gears. By doing that I was going to save about 60+ grams. It did not work, spacing between two gears did not match up. More info on that latter I am not at home.

    I had sram DH cassette on the floor it is a 11-26( or 12-26 ) so I pulled the 4 biggest gears(size wise). It worked! Saves 20 grams only but its a start. More in on this as I look into other cassettes. Spacing wise however it looks great but once I get rear wheel built I will test shifting.

    EDIT:

    Looks like its the first 4 gears are mandatory 9.10,11,13. After that you can make the last 5 work depending on cassette/gears you use.

    A few pics... (loading them now)
    Stock cassette 9-26t: 9,10,11,13,15,17,20,23,26 (243 grams)


    And setup I am going with 9-27t; 9,10,11,13,15,17(18 on order),21ti,24ti,27ti (172 grams)

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    looking forward to the complete build Ricky!
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    The 9T micro drive works really well. I had the great luck of getting to run it for most of last year on my Jedi. 9-26 with a 32 front ring is a huge spread for the normal DH bike.

    Here is a little clip of it in action:

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    By the sounds of it, it's seems like its a pretty quiet hub

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    a few more...

    A few pics of the cranks and chainring



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    looking forward to the complete build Ricky!
    You can say that again Rear wheel getting built this week so just need a fork now. Lets ride soon!

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    Canfield's have extra rims if people want to do their own builds. I know there's TOUGH and RACE rims

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollub01 View Post
    Canfield's have extra rims if people want to do their own builds. I know there's TOUGH and RACE rims
    I'm interested, whats the weight of each?

    How's the 142mm Micro's ETA look'n, shouldn't be far now I'm hoping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by supramk388 View Post
    A few pics of the cranks and chainring





    You can say that again Rear wheel getting built this week so just need a fork now. Lets ride soon!
    I really like the look of those Middleburns, if you don't mind me asking where did you get them from?

    Thanks for all of the updates, keep on stoke'n the stoke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    I'm interested, whats the weight of each?

    How's the 142mm Micro's ETA look'n, shouldn't be far now I'm hoping?
    I will check the rim for you when I get home. I think it was like 560 but not sure.

    And the hubs are loosing weight so you will be fine.

    EDIT:
    I have two unlaced rims here, they come up at 534 & 532 grams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    I really like the look of those Middleburns, if you don't mind me asking where did you get them from?

    Thanks for all of the updates, keep on stoke'n the stoke!
    I will send you pm when I get home.

    Chainreaction has them as well...

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    Yes no worries.....The original design has A LOT of Cro-mo. The production units, according to Chris should save 100grams !!!

    We have some 150 x 12mm now, The others are getting assembled.

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