Results 1 to 15 of 15
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43

    Long, Slow Build

    So, I jumped on the frame as soon as they were available, to make sure I'd get my size and color, but the build is going to take awhile to complete. I can picture what it's going to look like, and I have some of the components, but the bulk of them will be coming one paycheck at a time over the next couple months or so.

    I like every single color option for this years Yellis and could easily be happy with any of them, but I went with the red one. It's a deep, rich shade that tends toward burgundy just a bit, although it likes to photograph brighter and lighter. It took me awhile to get a shot that was relatively true to life colorwise. This is it here.

    Long, Slow Build-frame6.jpg

    A couple more:

    Long, Slow Build-newframe2.jpg

    Long, Slow Build-frame7.jpg

    I'm going to swap over the Manitou Tower Pro 120 and WTB frequency i23 rims with DT Swiss 350 hubs that are on my current bike. Everything else will be new. I'm going to build it as a 2x10, with Shimano drive train and brakes. XT grade mostly, with a bit of SLX.

  2. #2
    AOK
    AOK is online now
    mtbr member
    Reputation: AOK's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,351

    Long, Slow Build

    Nice looking frame!

    Build plan sounds solid, I will be interested to hear what you think about the i23 rims.

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43
    So....first components, first problems to work around. After reading most everything on crank fit I assumed that a Shimano XT (M780) 3x10 crank with 24-32-42 rings would fit, albeit tightly, with one 2.5mm spacer on the drive side. Well, my small ring wants to hit the chainstay. Not badly, only one or two teeth actually make contact, but there's no visible clearance at all so even if I filed a tiny bit off the top of the offending teeth the tolerance would be so tight that any flex or big ring smack (which I was going to replace with a bash) would cause bad things to happen. I added another 2.5mm spacer and I have plenty of room now but the word is that the chainline is far far from ideal with 5mm of spacers. Since I don't have any components to build the rear up and look at it I'd love to know exactly how bad is it to run 5mm of spacers, if it's even possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's hard to measure the clearance but I seem to have plenty and to spare, so one thought I have is to use some combo of stock Shimano BB spacers, 2.5, 1.8 and 0.7mm to give me enough room but not any more than needed to accomplish the job, in order to keep the chainline as good as possible. It looks to me like I need something in the 3.5 to 3.7 range.

    Here's a pic of the clearance I have with 2 2.5mm spacers, but in real life it seems larger than in the photo. I'll try to get a caliper near it and get a more accurate idea of the clearance.

    Long, Slow Build-clearanceclarence.jpg

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation: eurospek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    5,318
    Do you really need all those gears?

    Ditch that front derailleur.

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43
    I thought long and hard about running a 1x10 setup but I'm 54 now and the low end comes in handy on some climbs. Plus, I keep my bikes quite awhile and I could easily see myself riding this one until I'm 60 so I need to plan ahead a bit. I have been itching to ditch the large ring for years so that's no problem, although ideally I'd like a taller middle ring than the 32 but that brings more fit compromises back into the equation. A nice little 2x10 seems like the best balance, I just have to make it fit the best I can. Since you mention it though I'll take another look at the 1x idea and see how much I'd lose off the top and bottom.

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Pau11y's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    5,698
    Quote Originally Posted by senorjax View Post
    ...ditch the large ring...ideally I'd like a taller middle ring than the 32 but that brings more fit compromises back into the equation
    senorjax,
    If that's a 32T mid ring in your pic, then I think a 36T is out of the clearance range to your chain stay yoke (a 34T might work, but looks snug). The other thought is to keep the 32T, and get the micro drive rear and get to the high ratio by dropping the rear small down to a 9T.
    Naysayers never apologize. Critics go to their grave thinking everyone else is wrong.
    ╭∩╮( ║.║ )╭∩╮

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation: roxtar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    673
    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    I will be interested to hear what you think about the i23 rims.
    I've been running the I23s on both my AM bike and as a lighter option on my burly, 38lb, FR bike for over a year now and both have been perfect, not a single issue. They also build up better than any rim I've used. The 4D spoke drilling has a huge effect; it orients the nipple bed for leading and trailing spoke angles as well as side to side. This removes a lot of stress from the spoke hole and is the reason there is no need for eyelets.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
    Liberty is a well armed sheep, contesting the vote.

  8. #8
    Canfield Brothers
    Reputation: KillingtonVT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    1,036
    Quote Originally Posted by senorjax View Post
    So....first components, first problems to work around. After reading most everything on crank fit I assumed that a Shimano XT (M780) 3x10 crank with 24-32-42 rings would fit, albeit tightly, with one 2.5mm spacer on the drive side. Well, my small ring wants to hit the chainstay. Not badly, only one or two teeth actually make contact, but there's no visible clearance at all so even if I filed a tiny bit off the top of the offending teeth the tolerance would be so tight that any flex or big ring smack (which I was going to replace with a bash) would cause bad things to happen. I added another 2.5mm spacer and I have plenty of room now but the word is that the chainline is far far from ideal with 5mm of spacers. Since I don't have any components to build the rear up and look at it I'd love to know exactly how bad is it to run 5mm of spacers, if it's even possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's hard to measure the clearance but I seem to have plenty and to spare, so one thought I have is to use some combo of stock Shimano BB spacers, 2.5, 1.8 and 0.7mm to give me enough room but not any more than needed to accomplish the job, in order to keep the chainline as good as possible. It looks to me like I need something in the 3.5 to 3.7 range.

    Here's a pic of the clearance I have with 2 2.5mm spacers, but in real life it seems larger than in the photo. I'll try to get a caliper near it and get a more accurate idea of the clearance.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	clearanceclarence.jpg 
Views:	178 
Size:	411.8 KB 
ID:	799348
    Seniorjax - Clearance is going to be tight.. We know this as we are trying to keep the Chainstays as short as possible. However, try playing around with spindle spacers instead of the 2nd BB spacer. I will be posting up full build tips shorty using these, however this is what I was able to achieve with (2) 1mm spacers and (1) 2.5mm BB spacer:
    Long, Slow Build-slx-crank.jpg

    Long, Slow Build-slx-set-up.jpg

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation: plume's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    1,534
    I'm not exactly fond of a single ring set up either but I ditched the triple a few years ago. The Shimano 2X10 drive train is my favorite drive train currently and a 24X36 gear ratio is pretty dang low, I rarely use that gear but still find that I like a small ring on longer rides on steeper terrain. All that said I was able to fit a 38/26 crank on my Yelli w/ 2 2.5 BB spacers. It's not an ideal fit but it works - clearance is tight and if I can find a suitable 36t ramped chain ring this would be my ideal solution. As of now I'm rocking the 38t w/ no issues yet. I would absolutely consider a single chain ring on this bike - it simply rides that well...
    My one says BRAP!

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43
    I think I've got a setup that will work for now. I checked the LBSs for spindle spacers and/or thinner BB spacers and ended up with (2) 1.8mm BB spacers, which gives me just over a mm more width than the ideal 2.5mm. A good tip I got from the mechanic there that I haven't heard before is that, even though nothing except the single 2.5 spacer is ideal, anything of a small enough difference that the lawyer tab on the crank arm still drops into the safety hole on the spindle is much, much preferable to anything that's so wide that it won't. Mine does, so I'm going to leave it there for now.

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43
    Here's what I've got for clearance with 3.6mm of BB spacers. And disregard the big ring, it's not staying.

    Long, Slow Build-clearance3.6mm.jpg

    Long, Slow Build-withcrank.jpg

  12. #12
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43
    Well, I'm getting close. I have all but the last couple parts in my hands and they should be en route. Just started building it up last night. It's actually been nice that it's taken this long, I've had time to consider and reconsider the build details. Some things I decided on years ago (out on a ride you realize that you absolutely want x part on your next bike) and a few are the best I could do at this moment and will probly change after some experimentation, but I think I have a build that totally suits me and I'm psyched to get it on the ground. No photos yet but here's the almost complete component list.

    Yelli Screamy - Large Red frame
    Manitou Tower Pro 120 fork w/15mm TA
    WTB frequency i23 wheels
    DT Swiss 350 hubs
    On-One Chunky Monkey front tire
    On-One Smorgasbord rear tire
    Shimano XT derailleurs, shifters, chain
    Shimano XT brakes 180mm front, 160mm rear
    Shimano XT BB, crankset and cogs 24-32-bash
    Shimano XT cassette 11-36
    Spank Spike flat pedals
    Cane Creek Headset
    Thomson Elite 70mm 0 degree stem
    Raceface Turbine 725mm bars
    ESI chunky grips
    Thomson Elite seatpost
    WTB Speed V Comp saddle

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    43
    And it's on the trail. I've gotten a good shakedown cruise and two nice rides on it so far. Almost took some pics of it before I got it dusty but didn't really have time for both. Took a few after the first time out and thought I'd clean it up and take a few more. Hasn't happened yet though. Here's what it looks like in real life.

    Long, Slow Build-finishedbike1.jpg

    Long, Slow Build-finishedbike2.jpg

    Long, Slow Build-finishedbike3.jpg

    It went together pretty smoothly. There wasn't much clearance between the FD and the 2.25 On-One Smorgasbord I put on the back, but it eventually dialed in. Everything else feels good from a mechanical standpoint.

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rob1035's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    818
    The red and white look great! Ride impressions so far?

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation: zukrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    260
    Love it! i bought my Yelli in 12, and it still is not built! i still need handle bar, stem, seat post and clamp, saddle, tires, tubeless kit, and the money to get it all!

    congrats on the build!
    2012 Airborne Guardian.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 555
    Last Post: 3 Weeks Ago, 04:19 AM
  2. long term bar build
    By Irongrave in forum Beer Forum
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 03-14-2013, 05:30 PM
  3. Another really long & boring 650B build threadů.
    By misterdangerpants in forum 27.5 - 650b
    Replies: 51
    Last Post: 11-15-2012, 08:06 PM
  4. Rotors for LONG slow descents
    By KLF in forum Brake Time
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 10-27-2012, 09:05 AM
  5. Heavy, slow climbs good training for long races?
    By Jaybo in forum Endurance XC Racing
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-05-2012, 08:19 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •