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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    I would assume its a threaded BB since there cranks are. And afaik every frame they have ever made has been a threaded bb. What is the advantage to a pressfit BB??
    They make a lot of annoying noises. Presumably some people enjoy the noise, which is why several manufacturers have been forcing pressfit BB's down everyone's throats.

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    Whip Chop - 6'1" riders would normally be on a Large, but personal preference always come into play. Please check our geo chart and compare to other bikes that you have been happy with the fit. All of our bikes feature threaded BB's. We would recommend 170 cranks or shorter, depending on the area that you ride in.

    I'm not 100% sure what our plans are for the summer yet besides hitting Whistler A LOT this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porch View Post
    They make a lot of annoying noises. Presumably some people enjoy the noise, which is why several manufacturers have been forcing pressfit BB's down everyone's throats.
    Porch. My bad. I was being sarcastic. You are spot on. Pressfit is a joke. Only in the bike industry is new "innovation" driven by marketing department.

    This statement is in no way directed at the bros. More towards trek. Spesh. Cannondale. Etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formu1fan View Post
    What is the longest fork recommended in 25.7 mode? Will a 180 like the XF Metric work?
    The Balance was designed around a 160mm-170mm fork. Building it with forks out of this range will alter the BB and HA out of our targeted geo range.

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    The advantages of press fit are they are prone to creaking, require a new set of tools to install or remove, create a potentially wider area to weld to but is not utilized in that way. In regards to carbon fiber, you don't have to bond/glue threaded inserts to the carbon for threaded so easier to manufacture. Last one is legitimate benefit, I was sarcastic on first couple.

    I am not a fan of press fit, I would even go so far as to say I would stay away from frames that are. There are so many good bikes out there now that there really is no need to compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    Whip Chop - 6'1" riders would normally be on a Large, but personal preference always come into play. Please check our geo chart and compare to other bikes that you have been happy with the fit. All of our bikes feature threaded BB's. We would recommend 170 cranks or shorter, depending on the area that you ride in.

    I'm not 100% sure what our plans are for the summer yet besides hitting Whistler A LOT this summer.

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    Thanks Vince! I appreciate it.

    In regards to the other poster's who've replied in regards to the BB: I was hoping it was threaded and not press-quit...as in, quit hoping it won't ever stop creaking!

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    Re: Canfield Brothers Balance - First Look

    Im 6' (183cm) and realy leaning twards a Med size frame, compared to The-one sizing on the geo chart, The One felt abit too long for me while sitting and pedaling, even with a 35mm short stem.
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    I'm 6' and I'm on the sample medium. I really expected it to feel too small but is just perfect for me. I tend to like slightly smaller sizing though, I don't feel cramped at all on the medium. For reference, I have a 160 Pike, uncut SIXC 785mm bar and a 50mm stem.
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    Thanks for the info. I to am 6' and wondering what your inseam is? My One is a large and feels a little on the big size, I also like smaller bikes iv'e learned. Any input on a 180/140 fork for the Balance?
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Prefer to keep fs frames a few years.. Plenty of featherweight options out there but I like durable bikes, threaded BB, replaceable bearings etc.
    me too, thats why the One was my dream bike. why has it been discontinued?
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    Confused - I have a 32" inseam. Your question about fork length, the head angle would be really slack with a 180mm fork and for me it would put it outside of the normal usable range. A 140 fork would put the BB really low, I recommend sticking to the 160-170mm to keep the geo in the ideal range.
    Dirtdawg - The One was one of my favorite all times as well, however the market is moving towards the more capable bike with a little less travel. The One was in the freeride / dh realm travel wise so that's how they got ridden. As a truly do it all bike (IE DH to Enduro) it was great, you could race it DH and then go for a pedal with your spandy friends. It was a bit heavy and a bit too much travel for most people though and 160mm bikes with the proper geo can be more versatile, granted just shy of a DH sled but better for all around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    I'm 6' and I'm on the sample medium. I really expected it to feel too small but is just perfect for me. I tend to like slightly smaller sizing though, I don't feel cramped at all on the medium. For reference, I have a 160 Pike, uncut SIXC 785mm bar and a 50mm stem.
    Thanks for the info. I'm leaning towards a large as I prefer a longer top tube (will be running a 785 bar, 50mm stem). What is your take on the trend of many bikes running much longer top tubes/front centers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aenema View Post
    The advantages of press fit are they are prone to creaking, require a new set of tools to install or remove, create a potentially wider area to weld to but is not utilized in that way. In regards to carbon fiber, you don't have to bond/glue threaded inserts to the carbon for threaded so easier to manufacture. Last one is legitimate benefit, I was sarcastic on first couple.

    I am not a fan of press fit, I would even go so far as to say I would stay away from frames that are. There are so many good bikes out there now that there really is no need to compromise.
    That is the main reason I moved the Spec Enduro out of consideration (That, and it's a Specialized)
    As a current bike mechanic and a past machinist, press fit BB are the devil.
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    Just one question for...

    ....those who have ridden the Balance,

    Can we please get a ride report? It doesn't need to be detailed, just a little somthing

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    I would like to here a ride report from S. Mtn. comparing it to the One. I ride there frequently and love the way the One performs going down but wish the up was a tad easier, will the Balance perform similar the the One going down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    ....those who have ridden the Balance,

    Can we please get a ride report? It doesn't need to be detailed, just a little somthing
    MTBparks.com will be posting a review next Monday from Lorin Whitaker, who had a chance to race the Balance last month at Bootleg Canyon.
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    Thanks mate, looking forward to it!

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    I believe this pic belongs in this thread.....
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    Man this looks like a great frame...I still love my current balance frame though. So stable at speed and soaks up the trail nicely. Great frame for everything including bike parks and built like a tank. Kinda heavy for steep climbing but I do not have light parts either. Great for heavy xc to am riding but I do not really do downhill so I will refrain from comment there. I ride big bear and project X in socal if that gives you an idea of how far I have pushed it. Most of my riding is am out by 29 palms in sugar sand.


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    hi
    a.on this summer i'll ride the balance after not having a canfield since 2008 (first jedi...)
    b. enduro in europe means that you go down on a dh tracks (alps style) and clime back(1500-2000 m) to your next stage on a time limit !!!for another dh track

    c. today geometry works on longer top tube long front center long wheel base
    im 185 and today im ridind a 2014 mondraker large dune with 30mm stem thats 649 top tube
    1222 wb and 480 raech...

    so looking at the geo size its have to be an xl ????
    ive compre it to others brands in large and ive wonder if i want a Relative long bike short stem longer wheel base to my personal preference xl is the answer??thats 627 top tube (like most large sizes ....)

    but the 508 top tube makes me wonder???

    help ?please.....

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    It sounds like the is Dune is pretty long large... Considering that the XL Balance's WB is 1192, reach is 457 and ETT is 627mm's

    I'm 189cm's / 6'2" with a 32" inseam. I'm currently riding a large Chlicotin w/50mm stem attached to a TT of 625mm/24.6" and ST of 483mm/19". This combo fits my longer torso and shortish inseam perfectly. If I was to order a Balance today it would be an XL, though I personally wouldn't use cranks any longer than the 165mm XO's I currently run. In a perfect world I'd like to have the Balance with ST length of 470mm/18.5" and the same ETT the Xl Balance.

    How comfortable are you with the your Dune, is there anything you would change from the current sizing if you could?

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    thanks for your answer!
    i was thinking the same (xl and l combo would be perfect....)
    funny before the dune i rode a knolly chilcotin...too
    any way i feel that 1222 wb might be too long and the dune can be lazy on tide turns...other wise it is realy a fast bike
    the suspention works perfect...
    how ever i feel that around 1190wb with 27.5 wheels will be perfect for most tracks
    and im looking for that "forward geo" becuse for me it is working...
    as a fact many brands adapt the geo consept (kona..orbea...and so)

    so i dont mind having the xl but 507 st feels pain all reday ......
    what do thing just go for it and keep the dropper any how as low as possible?

    thanks
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    MTBParks.com Balance Review

    MTBparks.com just posted their killer review on our Balance.

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    I’m the kind of guy who loves to be spontaneous and when Lance Canfield gave me a call one morning and asked if I wanted to ride his Canfield Brothers’ Balance prototype in the Bootleg Canyon Banzai Enduro Race, you can imagine I was pretty stoked. The call came the day before the race, and I don't yet have a driver's license, so I talked my mom into a quick road trip to Boulder City to take advantage of this rad opportunity. - See more at MTBparks.com

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    nice write up, just wish i could demo one here in MI

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    nice write up, just wish i could demo one here in MI
    Sounds like you need to take a trip to WA/BC this summer! HAHA.

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    Sounds like a group trip for us Midwest riders..... I call dibs on Vin ' s couch!!!!!lol
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    vin, when shall i expect my 1st class ticket?

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    I call dibs on his guest bedroom then. Please tell me you have a guest bedroom....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    vin, when shall i expect my 1st class ticket?
    Shoot....I'm not picky..... I'll take cargo ticket.... just riding out in God's country will be worth the suffering. ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by aenema View Post
    I call dibs on his guest bedroom then. Please tell me you have a guest bedroom....
    HAHA... We actually have two if you include the bed in my office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdawg21892 View Post
    me too, thats why the One was my dream bike. why has it been discontinued?
    I don't know, think the new style Balance will take The One's place for now.

    Want to see a black.
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    Killington, curious as to what fork/wheel size combo your going to use? I know you said your going 170mm, if you use 27.5 wheels that puts your fork at about a 565 A2C height which is the same A2C as a Fox 180 fork. Lance seems to think that that is to slack for this bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Killington, curious as to what fork/wheel size combo your going to use? I know you said your going 170mm, if you use 27.5 wheels that puts your fork at about a 565 A2C height which is the same A2C as a Fox 180 fork. Lance seems to think that that is to slack for this bike?
    From my post last Dec:
    We designed the Balance around the RS 160mm Pike and configured geo to work both 27.5” and 26”. (26” for customers looking to make the Balance more park oriented.) We did not incorporate adjustable geo/travel features in this bike as we did not feel they were necessary for a bike in this genre. Of course, by running internal/external headsets or a longer fork you will have the option of dialing in the HA to your personal preference and riding style. (I will be running mine with 26's and a Marz 170mm 55 Evo Ti to make the perfect Bellingham trail slayer).

    Yes a 180mm will slacken out the bike out of the normal realm, which is why we are not recommending. I ended up getting a Lyric DH 170mm in diffusion black to finish out my build. We have just been told our promo samples will arrive next month, so I will FINALLY have mine. (I've been waiting far to long!). We are still on target to be receiving production mid June, provided there are no unforeseen production delays.

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    When will you guys be back in the Las Vegas area? I missed the Mob in the Mojave this year, I would love a chance to give it a test ride before purchasing. My current bike is getting old and I think its time for an upgrade. I was able to demo the One a few years back at Bootleg but decided it was to much on the downhill side for me, but the Balance sounds like exactly what I've been looking for. I'm coming off a 2006ish Ellsworth Moment.

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    The first sample of the Ano Black Balance!

    *Please note the flat connecting tube above the BB is incorrect and production will be replaced with the proper round tube.
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    Way to go Chris, that is like writing on black paper using black text. Next time wear higher contrast clothing so we can actually see the frame. Maybe something like this...

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    Canfield Brothers Balance LE Pike Packages

    We are stoked to announce that we will have LE Balance/Rock Shox Pike packages available for $2855.
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    For more info, please see our webstore:
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    Awesome! Are you guys going to be at Sea Otter this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by formu1fan View Post
    Awesome! Are you guys going to be at Sea Otter this year?
    Lance will be there at the MTB Parks booth.

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    ...will this LE Pike package offer be available through your distibutor in Australia?

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    That package deal is pretty sweet. If I was in the market, that's what I'd go for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    That package deal is pretty sweet. If I was in the market, that's what I'd go for.
    I'm not even in the market and I want to go for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulga Bill View Post
    ...will this LE Pike package offer be available through your distibutor in Australia?
    Each of our distributors set their own pricing, you would have to contact crankin.au directly for AU pricing and availability.

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    I'm all over that!!! Just have to decide between L or XL. I'm 6'1" with pretty long arms and 34" inseam. I'm leaning towards XL to make sure I can run a short stem. I just don't want end up with a behemoth bike. Thoughts anyone? I'm currently riding a Large Nimble and it's quite comfy, but with a 90mm stem… I generally like a little more room in the cockpit than feeling like the bars are in my lap.

    Also, anyone have experience with the Bro's wheel sets? Seems like a pretty solid wheel set that could save some coin on the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAUBoone View Post
    Also, anyone have experience with the Bro's wheel sets? Seems like a pretty solid wheel set that could save some coin on the build.
    Our goal with our wheelset line has always been to offer a solid, low maintenance wheelset at an affordable price. With the addition of our new Dynamal rims, the wheelsets are now even lighter, stiffer and tougher. Chris and Lance tested the 28mm rims that we are using on our AM Wheelsets on their DH bikes for over a year. We were STOKED with the results!

    Vital did a write up on our DH wheels a few months back. Since the write up, we placed a LARGE wheel order, which allowed us to decrease the price by $100. If you package wheels with your Balance frame order, you can now score a set of our AM 1860g wheels for $375.
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    Do you guys have any plans to make some 27.5 wheels with 20mm hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strunkbro View Post
    Do you guys have any plans to make some 27.5 wheels with 20mm hubs
    Unfortunately we will not as most fork options for 27.5" use the 15mm standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAUBoone View Post
    I'm all over that!!! Just have to decide between L or XL. I'm 6'1" with pretty long arms and 34" inseam. I'm leaning towards XL to make sure I can run a short stem. I just don't want end up with a behemoth bike. Thoughts anyone? I'm currently riding a Large Nimble and it's quite comfy, but with a 90mm stem… I generally like a little more room in the cockpit than feeling like the bars are in my lap.
    It sounds like you are in a similar place that I usually am and I think it is hard to draw a conclusion on whether you should look at L or XL based solely on your Nimble 9 experiences. Compared to your large Nimble 9 (24" ETT, 16.53" reach, and 90mm stem) the XL Balance (24.7" ETT and 18" reach) with a shorter 60mm stem will feel ~0.5" shorter while in the saddle and ~0.3" longer when standing. This seems like the optimal size until you see that the XL Balance has a 2.28"-3.57" longer wheel base than the large Nimble 9 depending on how you have your Nimble 9 setup. This may or may not be a big deal, but it makes it really complicated because you don't want a "behemoth of a bike."

    Just to give my personal experiences with XL frames (take it for what its worth)....I'm 6'3" tall, wear 34" length jeans (don't know my "official" inseam), and my arm span is roughly the same as my height. I'm coming off a 2013 XL Jedi (24.5" ETT, 18" reach, and 42mm stem) and a 2012 XL Transition Bandit (24.5" ETT, 17.51" reach, and 60mm stem). Both of these bikes were my first venture into the XL size category.

    The Jedi was extremely stable, and just a little long feeling for me. This year I changed to a 2014 large Jedi (24" ETT, 17.5" reach, 45/50mm stem) which should be perfect at either ~1/4" or ~1/2" shorter depending on stem setting.

    The Bandit was sized perfectly in my opinion for general XC-type riding, but when riding more aggressive trails out in Pisgah forest I feel a shorter top tube would allow me to get my weight back, manual easier, and inspire a bit more confidence. I also would prefer a slightly more upright seated position for longer rides. I guess it is also important to state that I have a DH racing, freeride, dj/street background, so I like my bikes a bit slack, slung back, and slightly short. Also, any stem over 70mm long feels really awkward to me.

    To replace the XL Bandit, I ordered a large Balance (23.9" ETT, 17.25" reach, 50mm stem). I'm really interested/excited to see how it turns out because it will feel significantly shorter while sitting in the saddle (~1" due to the 0.6" shorter ETT and 10mm shorter stem) and somewhat shorter while standing (~0.65" due to the 0.25" shorter reach and 10mm shorter stem). The XL Balance would have mimicked my Bandit the closest, but the extra wheelbase length due to the extra travel/slacker HA I feel like would have been too much and I wanted a somewhat shorter bike anyway. Overall they are very different bikes so you can only speculate so far.
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    Turbocharged,
    Thanks for the input! Though I've been riding a long time I haven't really put a lot of time or thought into analyzing geo #'s until now, so yeah, jumping into deciding about a frame unseen and unridden is rather difficult. I did that with the nimble 9 based more on the reasoning that "I always ride a large, so I'll get a large" and that's what canfield recommended for my height. The bike generally fits me well and is a comfortable ride. Super playful. But that's with a longish stem that I definitely would not run on the Balance. However, if I hop on my buddies XL nimble with a shorter stem I find the fit to be great as well. So, that only muddies the waters of figuring out which size.
    And reach is a new term to me, so I'm not real sure how to make a practical interpretation of that info.
    My other bike is a Large Pivot Mach 5.7. which has a 24.2" TT, but if I try to measure reach as is done by the canfield geo charts it's only about 16" versus 16.5" and 17.25" on the Nimble 9 and Balance respectively. However, the mach 5.7 has a rather slack seat tube at 71 degrees, so would that account for a short reach calculation yet longer ETT length? I've decided that I generally dislike the slacker seat tube angles as I don't like feeling way back behind the pedals when seated. I'm a fan the steeper effective seat tube angle of 75 degrees that the nimble and balance both share.

    Ultimately, I'm trying to figure out what the hell the Balance will feel like in terms of fit in comparison to my other 2 bikes, and that's proving to be a bit of a challenge.

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