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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Just a heads up the shock weights 590grams.
    That's slightly higher than the 550g I was estimating. I adjusted my numbers and used that instead. Also added 0.5lb buffer on the frame weight.

    Here is my full blown weight weenie spreadsheet that I do for all my builds. Feel free to poke holes in it...

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    Maybe it is possible. Your xo crank came in at 514 with chainring?? That's 30g lighter than my xx1 crank with a wolftooth 32t.

    I'm surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    Maybe it is possible. Your xo crank came in at 514 with chainring?? That's 30g lighter than my xx1 crank with a wolftooth 32t.

    I'm surprised.
    Don't have the chainring yet, but yes the 170mm X0 cranks w/o any spider, chainring, or bb came in at 465g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbocharged View Post
    Don't have the chainring yet, but yes the 170mm X0 cranks w/o any spider, chainring, or bb came in at 465g.
    Pretty sure the XO, XX1, XO1 are all the same actual crank arms but with different Q options. I have (2) XX1 168/156 and (1) XO DH 168 and they are identical aside from the different wear, Qfactor and colors.

    Rock on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbocharged View Post
    That's slightly higher than the 550g I was estimating. I adjusted my numbers and used that instead. Also added 0.5lb buffer on the frame weight.

    Here is my full blown weight weenie spreadsheet that I do for all my builds. Feel free to poke holes in it...

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    Are you have the Arch's custom built? If so If you'd be able to run a 9t Microdrive, you'd be able to pair it with the recon cassette, which is roughly 195g's. And if I remember correctly the Microdrive is 330ish, lighter than Hadleys and only slightly heavier than Hopes.

    Was the frame weight confirmed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Are you have the Arch's custom built? If so If you'd be able to run a 9t Microdrive, you'd be able to pair it with the recon cassette, which is roughly 195g's. And if I remember correctly the Microdrive is 330ish, lighter than Hadleys and only slightly heavier than Hopes.

    Was the frame weight confirmed?
    I've thought about building a custom wheelset with the 9-36 option, but for now was just designing the build off the stock Arch's. I was planning on upgrading the cassette with OneUp 40T and 16T cogs to get the extended range if I didn't do the 9-36 option.

    And no, the frame weight is not confirmed. Just speculation based off previous comments and an added buffer.
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    Its gonna be a killer build regardless! What size frame and link colors did you order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Its gonna be a killer build regardless! What size frame and link colors did you order?
    Thanks. Silver frame with black links. The entire build should be devoid of color for the most part.
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    I'm second guessing my trip back home to AUS because I cant shake this frame from my head.

    Family or frame first.....

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    On the edge of pre ordering the frame. Which frame size should I get? I'm 5'7" tall. S or M?
    Let's ride...

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    For you guys counting grams:
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    Why are you using a 200/57 shock an no 216/63 shock?

    thanks in advance!
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    It gives us the proper progression rate and gradient for the travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    For you guys counting grams:
    Thanks Vin.

    As much as I hate the idea of counting grams, it is really nice knowing what to expect out of a new build.
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    Can you comment on how the bike handles jumps with 27.5" wheels? I live in texas and my "the one" is my bike of choice. I have a trek remedy 7 that gets ridden maybe twice a year because the one is such a great bike. Even at 38 lbs. I am decided that the balance will replace my bike because I like the idea of a higher bottom bracket and much less weight. However, there is a newish free ride park a couple hours from me that has some pretty awesome and steep jumps that the one handles great. Could I expect a similar behavior in the jumping category? I am set up with a fox float 160 fork and dhx rc4 shock. Any input is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    More photos in the wild
    A few good ones of Lance "product testing":
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    Quote Originally Posted by utsamtber View Post
    Can you comment on how the bike handles jumps with 27.5" wheels? I live in texas and my "the one" is my bike of choice. I have a trek remedy 7 that gets ridden maybe twice a year because the one is such a great bike. Even at 38 lbs. I am decided that the balance will replace my bike because I like the idea of a higher bottom bracket and much less weight. However, there is a newish free ride park a couple hours from me that has some pretty awesome and steep jumps that the one handles great. Could I expect a similar behavior in the jumping category? I am set up with a fox float 160 fork and dhx rc4 shock. Any input is appreciated.
    I find the Balance is easier to jump than The One with it's shorter chainstays, (3/4" shorter). This really helps with the playfulness of the bike and also brings it's geo inline with the rest of our bikes, (you know we are fans of shorter stays).

    Lance has more testing on the Balance than any of us, he spent the winter in Bootleg hitting lines that most wouldn't hit with a DH bike!

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    awesome to hear! I guess it will be my next bike after all!

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    Too bad I missed when this bike was in AZ. Would have loved to see it in person. I'm in the market for a bike and keep coming back to this bike. Anyone able to compare it's pedaling efficiency to a Mach 6?

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    This bike really has my attention. It has the geometry I want and a virtual pivot suspension design that tends to be fairly efficient. It has the right amount of travel I want. The only slight drawback I see right now is the 8lb frame and shock. I like the Nomad too but this has a bit shorter wheelbase and the price for the frame is a bit more attractive.

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    Any updates on shipping, still end of July?

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    That's more travel than I really need, but I still might be all over this. Seems what was once considered a lot of travel is now a normal amount. Maybe if I go big, I will be future proofing a bike I plan on having for a long time. It all depends on how well it pedals.

    Will it be good for rough stuff and long all day rides? The guys at Canfield seem to think so. If it is it looks amazing. The geometry is great.

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    Good to see it will take a nice drop like that
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    Just a quick question and I'm not sure if this has been covered yet, but if I ordered the bike, is the full payment taken on ordering or once it's ready to ship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    Thanks for the heads up... Geo charts are updated.

    Fern green is similar to DVO green. Crampon Classics are currently available in Fern, Ultimates will be available by summer. Clamps, we will continue to have Black, Silver, Blue and Red.

    Cheers!
    Thanks for making awesome frames for shorter riders. When my Misfit frame is done I'll be replacing it with a Canfield. I talked my normal sized friend into ordering a Yelli, I think I'm more excited than he is.


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    I just finished build my Small Balance, done out in "park mode".
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    My build w/o pedals came in at 30.8lbs with stout parts and 4 piston brakes. Sub 30 lb builds will be pretty easy. With my "park" set up, my HA is a touch over 65.5. Most 27.5/160mm Pike builds will be between 66 and 66.5, depending on parts spec.
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    We have had a TON of questions comparing the Balance to the One. For a 160mm bike, the travel feels deep. Not as deep as the One in 8", but deep. The biggest difference in personality between the two bikes is how playful the Balance is. The 16.7 stays, really helps the bike come to life. I find it snappier in the turns and WAY easier to manual, (not that I can actually manual, HAHA!). Pedaling is flat out INSANE! If you've ridden The ONE, then you know the "magic dust" Lance and Chris sprinkle onto our suspension. The new CBF platform, disconnects pedaling and suspension forces even more, giving you a very silent drivetrain, while the rear is eating stuff up.

    Here's a quick shot from this AM's pre work ride, we'll get a few bangers later this week to share:
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    Lastly, I wanted to post this image showing the correct connecting tube. (Our proto had an incorrect flat tube)
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    Enjoy!

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    Your killing me! Any good news to share, like the frames are ahead of schedule or anything, maybe, possibly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Your killing me! Any good news to share, like the frames are ahead of schedule or anything, maybe, possibly?
    I thought I WAS sharing good news! HAHAHA. Productions don't really finish early, however, we are looking good to be hitting our "shipping end of July" timeframe.

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    I'm still trying to figure out if this bike is a viable option for me. What about when you're not riding chunk? Would this bike be good for all day rides? what about tamer trails? Is it a one bike do it all machine? Or is it more for hitting gnarly stuff?

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    also gold links would have been cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    I'm still trying to figure out if this bike is a viable option for me. What about when you're not riding chunk? Would this bike be good for all day rides? what about tamer trails? Is it a one bike do it all machine? Or is it more for hitting gnarly stuff?
    While we focus our efforts on showing the Balance's capabilities on rougher stuff, the reality is we live in the PNW. Truth be told it's pretty damn smooth out here, (I grew up on the super rocky East Coast to put things in perspective). The pedaling aspects of our CBF suspension really allow it to shine on smooth trails. As my first post in thread reads, "Go any where, do ANYTHING". That was our goal with this bike.

    Hope that helps!

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    Your still Killing me, tell those workers there's an extra hundy in it if they get my frame by July 1! HAHA

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    Your bike does look good though!

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    Are you guys thinking about trying out the DB Inline on the Balance frame? I hope so. It could bring the cost down a bit further and its all the travel I need. Could be even more of an amazing deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Are you guys thinking about trying out the DB Inline on the Balance frame? I hope so. It could bring the cost down a bit further and its all the travel I need. Could be even more of an amazing deal!
    We will be testing the Inline over the next month and are currently reserving thoughts until we test on our platform. Difference in weight between the CS and the Inline is 180g.

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    Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the results.

    In the meantime feel free to do as many posts as you want with more pics The big post earlier was awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    I thought I WAS sharing good news! HAHAHA. Productions don't really finish early, however, we are looking good to be hitting our "shipping end of July" timeframe.
    These look beautiful Vin!

    I LOVE my ONE, best bike I've ever ridden... I have been on several 4+ hour rides on it and also use it at the local gnar shuttle spots over the winter.

    Prying my ONE from me may be quite the task, I dunno if this new balance is up to it... One thing I really love is how quick and snappy-responsive it is in turns and how easy it is to put it where I want it. You're saying this new balance is even snappier? Even on a 650b platform, or just with your 26" park setup? I am very eager to try something in the 650b arena, and I'm positive this would be one of the better offerings. It's not easy to even think of selling my ONE at this point though...

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    I've been riding the Balance ALLOT for the last 8ish months. I've had is setup in every configuration that I think people want to run. 26 and 27.5 wheels. Started with a 2X, worked like you would expect but quickly changed out to a 1X with a 30T ring for better chain retention. Ideal rings are from 28-32 tooth with larger rings giving the bike a softer more DH oriented feel. The reason I mention this is that it directly relates to how the bike feels, like on every bike. This bike is by far the easiest to setup correctly because of the CBF patent pending design. Smaller rings for more pedaling and bigger rings for more DH oriented riding.

    TheRage43- The Balance is quicker turning than the One. The CS is much shorter so it's easier to "snap" the rear wheel into the right spot in the turn. It also contributes to the "pop" feel off the lip of jumps. The Balance LOVES to jump and turn.

    Wheel size effects a few things, how quick it feels from side to side, smoothness over bumps and overall geometry of the bike. If you run 26" wheels, you should run a taller fork, something in the 170 range for a Park feel and with 27.5 wheels, a 160 fork for a Enduro feel. This also makes the BB height almost identical but head angle slacks out with the taller fork and small wheels.
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    Awesome info about chainring size. I was seriously about to email Sean and ask him this very question. 30T it is for my build (27.5 1x10) .
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    That's perfect, it's what I run.
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    If the Balance becomes my next bike it will also be 1x10 and 27.5. I didn't know what size ring to have in the front, so this is helpful.

    I hope they get the reviews out on this as early as possible. I mean I hope they hit before the frames are shipped. I am torn between a Balance, Warden, and Spitfire right now. And I have a couple great offers on the others, but I don't want to miss out on this great bike if it turns out amazing. Hope we get some impressions soon.

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    how do u compare the climbing ability with 170mm fork + 26 wheels to 160mm fork + 650b wheels ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    If the Balance becomes my next bike it will also be 1x10 and 27.5. I didn't know what size ring to have in the front, so this is helpful.

    I hope they get the reviews out on this as early as possible. I mean I hope they hit before the frames are shipped. I am torn between a Balance, Warden, and Spitfire right now. And I have a couple great offers on the others, but I don't want to miss out on this great bike if it turns out amazing. Hope we get some impressions soon.
    I was in the same boat only already had a Rune V2. I ended up going with the Warden but I would take the Balance over the KS mini link.

    Stoked on getting my Warden but the Balance is one bad ass bike!

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    I want to get crazy and put the Metric on it with 650b wheels...

    This fork is 20mm longer than the pike though, A2C. For me.. I like slacker, and higher BB at the same time. This longer fork would do both of those, but would it mess up the GEO at all? What's your thoughts, Lance?

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    Chris is over in France for a demo with our distributors. Looks like he is having a blast on his new Ano Black Balance! We'll have this frame over here next week for our demo next weekend at Duthie Hill in Issaquah WA.
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    He guy's,

    Been watching this thread for a bit. I've always been curious about Canfield frames and this new Balance put me over the top. I just ordered a small and cannot wait till the end of July to come!

    I also was debating between a Warden and Balance. And since demos on the east coast for either frame are impossible, both bikes are a leap of faith. I'm sure you can't go wrong either way.

    The deciding factors for me were;

    The awesome deal the balance is...especially with the Pike package. (The Warden is almost that expensive without a fork).

    The customer service from Vin was amazing. Not so, with the online Knolly distributor I was talking to. (nothing against Knolly, I'm sure they're a great company)

    The overall badassnes of the Balance. It's just a killer looking bike.

    The ability to use the balance as a park bike for the few times a year I hit some DH.

    Can't wait!

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    I can also vouch for the customer service. I had a great talk with Sean one day about the Balance.

    The Balance is for sure a great deal, there is no question about that. I have found a Warden for an amazing deal too. Its almost too good to be true. I'm really hoping the testing on the DBInline goes well and they offer an option with it. It costs less then the DBAir and hopefully that will reflect in the cost of the frame. I'm not being cheap, I just can't afford today's bike prices, so I am trying to get in at a low price where I can buy one.

    Can't wait to see more pics of the black version!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
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    Front tire almost looks bigger than a magic mary
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    Yes more pics of the black ano please!!!!

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    short geo question.
    the effective seat tube angle is measured at what seatpost exposure?

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    Looks great, the latest posts are really upping my stoke level for this bike.

    Think I'm going to consolidate down to one bike: a Balance or a new Nomad. Price may well be the deciding factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennW View Post
    Looks great, the latest posts are really upping my stoke level for this bike.

    Think I'm going to consolidate down to one bike: a Balance or a new Nomad. Price may well be the deciding factor.
    The old version of the One/Diggle clearly beat out the Nomad so I have no doubt the Balance will beat out the Nomad again

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    Chris is over in France for a demo with our distributors. Looks like he is having a blast on his new Ano Black Balance! We'll have this frame over here next week for our demo next weekend at Duthie Hill in Issaquah WA.
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    Would you mind giving more details on the duthie demo, such as when you will be there, if there will be multiple bike sizes, how many, and such?

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    Hey Vin, I'm curious why you went with 26"wheels. I've been riding a 27.5 Bronson and am blown away with the tweener wheel size. It feels and handles exactly like a 26" bike but just "works" better. I'd love to try setting up a park bike with 27.5".


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    Quote Originally Posted by roxtar View Post
    It feels and handles exactly like a 26" bike but just "works" better. I'd love to try setting up a park bike with 27.5".
    I know 27.5 is good for rolling over things but 26 inch is more fun in the air. I thought 26 inch wheels turned faster as well in tight corners so 26 inch is not dead yet.

    I think it is super cool that you can run the bike either way. One way for park days ,or 27.5 inch for AM/XC and Enduro, bad A$$!!!

    I only wish I could afford one!

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    In fact, a 27.5 Jedi would be off the charts.
    and you don't need 27.5 inch with rearward arc!
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxtar View Post
    Hey Vin, I'm curious why you went with 26"wheels. I've been riding a 27.5 Bronson and am blown away with the tweener wheel size. It feels and handles exactly like a 26" bike but just "works" better. I'd love to try setting up a park bike with 27.5".
    Roxtar - I built mine with 26's as I was looking to set this bike up as close to my Jedi as possible. (Same cockpit parts, same cranks and pedals, same tire tread combination and yes, same wheel size). As I own a Yelli for the days I want to go on a pedal fiesta, I wanted to build my Balance to be as aggressive and snappy as possible. As I have said before, I expect most customers will build the Balance with 27.5's to give the Balance the most versatility, which is how we designed the bike. In a world where everybody is always talking 27.5, I just wanted to call out another option as this set up gives this bike a slightly different personality.

    I hope this helps and I came off the correct way. I just didn't want to open a wheel size debate as we believe all the options are great for different reasons.

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    As I have said before, I expect most customers will build the Balance with 27.5's to give the Balance the most versatility, which is how we designed the bike.
    To give the Balance more um, ahh, what do ya call it, balance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK3 View Post
    To give the Balance more um, ahh, what do ya call it, balance?
    Pretty much! HAHAHA!

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    How is the tire clearance with 27.5s? Many of the bikes out there with short stays like that and designed to go 26 or 27.5 seem to lack tire clearance. Hoping and suspecting that not to be the case with the Balance given your PNW home base. Clearance must be insane with 26ers.

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    ^also curious on the clearance!
    A big hello from across the waters - building my once in a lifetime sorta bike and I've found a European importer that will ship to England so dead chuffed, it looks so nice!

    Few questions:

    Isgc mounts OLD or 05?

    The lower linkage just on the left side - surely thats going to be subject to huge forces seeing as it's only linked on one side? Thus causing premature bearing wear/potential stress risers? (I'm sure you've thought about it - just curious!)

    Why the air ccdb rather than coil - unless thats due to the frame design, in which case why go for a design that prefers air to coil considering most of your customers are of the 'harder hitting' variety.

    Finally - the comment on chainring size creating bob earlier, is this a big effect or will the cs switch mitigate it? I'm currently running a 38 (1x9) coming from ss and finding it easy, but have got a 34 (1x10) for this build (heavier build/full sus vs hardtail!)


    Sorry for the interrogation. Hate to be the stereotype but STOKED on this frame!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegnarlycenturion View Post
    ^also curious on the clearance!
    A big hello from across the waters - building my once in a lifetime sorta bike and I've found a European importer that will ship to England so dead chuffed, it looks so nice!

    Few questions:

    Isgc mounts OLD or 05?

    The lower linkage just on the left side - surely thats going to be subject to huge forces seeing as it's only linked on one side? Thus causing premature bearing wear/potential stress risers? (I'm sure you've thought about it - just curious!)

    Why the air ccdb rather than coil - unless thats due to the frame design, in which case why go for a design that prefers air to coil considering most of your customers are of the 'harder hitting' variety.

    Finally - the comment on chainring size creating bob earlier, is this a big effect or will the cs switch mitigate it? I'm currently running a 38 (1x9) coming from ss and finding it easy, but have got a 34 (1x10) for this build (heavier build/full sus vs hardtail!)


    Sorry for the interrogation. Hate to be the stereotype but STOKED on this frame!!
    Before I dive into the questions, I figured I stoked you guys out with a few more images. Large Ano Black:
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    And of course, 27.5's on this build
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    thegnarlycenturion - All the build specs can be found on our site. The Balance uses ISCG, (Old or 03 as some refer to it). We will be adding an MRP AMG to this bike tomorrow. We love the AMG for this application and will be stocking these guides shortly.

    We spec'd the Balance with a CCDB Air CS as it feels AMAZING on the bike. Yes, we are fans of coils in general, but to add to the versatility of the Balance, the Air CS is a better option. Feels REALLY good on the descents and still keeps things light. The CS gives you a nice added platform if you like to stand up and really mash while pedalling uphill. We have tested the Balance with every ring size, (up to 36) and our bike doesn't bob in any ring. This is the largest refinement in our patent pending suspension design CBF. It's just our platform is a tad firmer in 30 and 32. Your 34t will feel absolutely solid!

    The Balance uses a similar lower link set up as our The One did, NOT ONE SIDED. We did play around with a one sided link on our 2004 prototype, the original Balance. This was changed before the production Balance was launched in 2006. We have both of these proto's hanging in our office with a few other rad history bikes:
    Canfield Brothers Balance - First Look-img_3458.jpg

    Tire clearance with 27.5's, yes we had this in mind given where we live, tons of room:
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    Hope that answered everything for you... I'm off for a quick rip on mine, HEHEHE.

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    good lord that looks good! I'm not sure if I can wait to see if the DBInline will be an option. This makes me want to order now!

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    Wow - thanks for the brilliant reply!! Fast and answered all the questions I'm sold on purely on how ace you've been with people looking at the frame.

    Ahh those are some drool-worthy pics.. I'm looking at black ano with green. That is an unbelievably gorgeous bike!

    richulr - You could always by the frame 'on credit' and sell the ccdb air to make up the difference and use th proceeds to get yourself a cheaper shock. For what it's worth my humble opinion is keep the shock!

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    Wow!

    Thanks for the black ano porn. It's sic with the all black pike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegnarlycenturion View Post
    Ahh those are some drool-worthy pics.. I'm looking at black ano with green. That is an unbelievably gorgeous bike!
    I have already ordered this beauty
    I am going to build for park riding

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    I was at duthie and the balance absolutly rails berms. It is so easy to go into and out of berms. I tried both the ones available, Vin's built up as a 26" and the demo with the 650b. They both worked flawlessly and I have no complaints with the frame. I personally preferred the 26" setup but that's just me. Also their dj bike really surprised me and was a blast to ride. Unfortunately there are no rock gardens to smash through at duthie so I didn't get to test that and the jump lines were closed due to a trick contest so I couldn't get extensive time jumping them. I did do a few jumps and it jumped really well on the few jumps I went off.

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    Ordered it today.. Stoke o meter = totally stoked! There will need to be a seperate build thread for everyone to post up some pics of their own!

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    This bike looks great, but I have a few concerns because there isn't a demo to try. I am coming from an Ibis Mojo SL, which is extremely light weight, but a little too flexible for comfort. How is this suspension technology going to relate to the DW link? I can't find much information about it... My other concern is having a bike that weighs 3-4 pounds more than my current bike; what are the negative aspects of going to a heavier bike? Is it going to feel hard to maneuver? I haven't weighed my SL, but I imagine it is around 26-27 pounds, and this bike will weigh around 30. My other options for bikes are more expensive... Mach 6, intense t275c...

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    I have been on the balance, a Mach 6, and a firebird within a month of each other, the later are both dw link. While I only spent 30-60 min on each bike they felt very similar in climbing ability. The Mach 6 climbed the best but it was also 3ish pounds lighter. The balance and the firebird both climbed very similar.

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    What about downhill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabuttrumpet View Post
    What about downhill?
    Unfortunately where I tested the balance there isn't any real gnar to smash through and the jump lines were mostly closed for a competition. What I can tel yu though is that is rails berms very well, it feels like autopilot. Also he few jumps that I got in on it worked very well. Also I tested the park version,26", and the enduro, 650b, and personally like the park setup better.

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    I can't wait to get my hands on one of these bikes!
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    This is a total noob question, This is my first bike build and my first ever new bike, I'm 60. I am planning on building it up as a 26" first so that I can transfer as much as I can from my current bike. My question is about the fork, if I get a 27.5 fork will I be able to use my current 26" wheels and tires and later use the same fork when I upgrade to 27.5.
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    Yes, no problem at all.
    With a zero stack headset you can alter the 10mm length difference between the 26 and 27.5 fork if you want want.
    Running 26 wheels in a 27.5 fork is no problem. More mud clearance at the arch will be a plus. ;-)
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    On the contrary, I would say it's going to effect the bike negatively by dropping the BB. It would be better to get new wheels.

    If you do want to use your 26" wheels temporarily then I would ensure they are even compatible. The rear needs to be 142x12 and the front a 15mm through axle assuming you're going with an appropriate fork.

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    Yes, if he's running 26" wheels and a 650b fork the BB will be about 1.5" lower than it should be.

    When running 26" wheels you need a longer fork to compensate for the size difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDragonX View Post
    Yes, if he's running 26" wheels and a 650b fork the BB will be about 1.5" lower than it should be.

    When running 26" wheels you need a longer fork to compensate for the size difference.
    Did you mean 0.5"? Depending on tire; ~12mm +/- lower with 26" wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. 68 Hundred View Post
    Did you mean 0.5"? Depending on tire; ~12mm +/- lower with 26" wheels.
    Yeah, it's tire dependent of course, but I doubt he'll be going for a smasher tire in any case. And yeah, more like .5" to .75" depending on tire.

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    The frame was designed to run both wheel sizes.
    26" at a BB of 13.25 and
    27.5" at a BB of 13.75".
    Depending on rims and tires of course.

    Running a longer 27.5" fork on the frame and 26" wheels should land you in the area of 13.5" range. A great setup for someone looking to change wheel size later.

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    Now that we have had our Large Balance demo up and running we've had quite a few customers stopping by the office to check it out take her for a rip.

    Brian, a local B'ham resident, swung by last week and sent me a review comparing it to his Speshi Enduro Evo. Here is what he had to say:

    I was fortunate to ride a production ready 2014 Canfield Balance on some of my favorite trails on Galbraith Mtn. in Bellingham, WA recentIy. I can say this bike has the PERFECT name! It is a truly 'Balanced' bike that both climbs like a crazed goat, but descends like a DH bike possessed!

    First off, I've been riding MTB's for 25 years. I both ride all mountain and DH whenever I can. I love jumps, berms and any trails that has nice flow. My daily, all mountain-enduro ride is a 2011 Specialized Enduro EVO which I freaking love. But, it is not the best climbing tool in the quiver. I've been really interested in getting on a new, modern 650B to see what all the hype was about and jumped at the chance to shred their new steed.

    The Canfield Balance for me felt a touch 'taller' in he saddle than my same sized 26" bike. The specs of both the Enduro and Balance are pretty evenly matched in geometry and size which to me speaks volumes. However, with the slightly extra height of the Balance over my EVO, I was able to climb over roots and attack steep sections just that much easier. It rolled over things with ease over my 26" wheeled machine. It wasn't as a profound difference as riding a DH bike for the first time, or say a 29" wheeled bike; rather, it just felt 'better' than the 26" bike I am used to.

    Of course, I am always willing to sacrifice a bit of climbing ease for a bike that rails downhill. But with this bike I felt I was sacrificing nothing on both the uphill climb and the downhill decent. It plowed through corners and bumps easier than the 26" wheeled bike I am used to. The speed this bike generates was pretty sick. Every jump and drop I had ridden numerous times before was just that much faster and seemed to flow easier. My absolute only complaint on that ride, and I feel it was only because it was my first time on a 650B, was I felt the bike was just a tad bit slower to pick up off the line coming out of a corner than my 26" counterpart. Again, I felt this was attributed more from my history of riding 26" wheeled bikes rather than the 650B. I'm sure with a few more rides on the Balance I would feel as it was as good and likely better. The bike I rode was spec'd with a 1x10 with a 32t ring in the front. I would probably have opted for a 30t ring as I like to 'spin' a little easier up hill. However, that is more a personal preference of a rider and easily a switchable thing to do to the bike.

    Overall, I loved the bike. The boys at Canfield know bikes, and what a ripping bike should feel like and it certainly showed that knowledge through their first 650B bike! This was as close as a bike can get between being a decent climbing bike, and an all out bomber DH bike. Thanks for letting me shred this super sick bike guys! I want one bad!

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    Well, I picked up the same L sized demo Balance yesterday after talking to Vin and Sean about taking it for a test ride last week. This was to be my first non-26" MTB ride - ever. I've ridden cyclocross bikes on all kinds of stuff when I used to race them but that's not really comparable.

    I've been riding for a long time, mostly on Galbraith as I grew up here but also at Victor Falls (RIP), Whistler of course, and other places like Devil's Gultch. I mostly ride "AM" - my weight weenie bike is a Nomad with a Float 180 fork and my more beefy bike is a Firebird with the same fork and an RC4.

    So, I started out with the website recommended psi (200 if you are wondering) and the bike rode pretty firm and sag wasn't within the 30 to 35% recommended. I left it for the climb mostly because I hate stopping. I didn't notice all that much of a difference in wheel diameters - a good thing IMO. It has a 160 travel PIKE on it so it's a little bit more "steery" than how my current bikes are set up - this is good because I'd like to run a little more travel up front. It pedals very efficiently pointed upwards. I never felt the need to turn on the climbing mode on the rear damper, I don't think it needs it. I guess my only complaints about the climb are A) The PIKE sticker on the arch is badly off center so you can see the mold parting line on the tire centered at the middle of the arch and the P is about where that is. Can you imagine how distracting that is? (cue lol). B) The 27.5 diameter does make the gearing about one click tougher. So going up this steep section called "death climb", I was breathing extra hard and I had to stand up and power through it. But standing up on this part revealed something really good about the suspension that I has noticed earlier - the bike doesn't "inch worm" and has fantastic front to rear balance. It can feel funny standing on a climb with the Nomad as it likes to break traction a little bit each pedal stroke, I guess from their platform.

    OK, so at the top of the climb, I decided to take out 20 psi and add slow the rebound down front and rear as it seemed a bit quick to me and see how that affected sag - tried it and it didn't make the bike sag way down into the travel so I rode over to the first trail - mellow curvy trail with some small technical sections depending on how fast you try to ride it. The back end felt way better to me without making the suspension mushy at all - in fact, I would say the rear rides very tight - it soaks everything up but retains a lot of "pop" off jumps.

    I decided to leave the damper and take it down a faster trail that has some really great berms and much, much faster sections. This is where the suspension really shines - it doesn't sag when railing berms and almost seems to shoot you around them.

    I then hit another couple of medium trails then took it down one of my favorite trails that I'm sure those of you that have ridden at Galbraith like as well - Bobs. I like Bobs because I'm usually tired at that point an you don't have to pedal very much. Plus there's two medium drops and a bunch of fun little jumps to pop off of. I don't know how you can't have fun on that trail. Nothing jumped out at me - it just rode well and didn't do anything unexpected. I did bottom out the fork pretty hard on one landing. The back didn't feel harsh although the o-ring says I used 55mm of the 57mm of travel - I think that's bottomed out.

    So I'll be buying one of these frames. I'm pretty invested in 26" stuff with King wheels and stuff. I didn't really notice that much difference in the wheel diameter so like Vin, I think I'm going to build it with the 26" wheels, at least for now.

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    what are your heights?
    how did the Large sizing fit you?
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    I'm 6'1" with a 32" inseam - I have a longer torso. The L feels OK but I think I'd prefer a slightly longer bike. My Firebird XL has a pretty short TT and according to the geometry chart, the Balance is only 2mm different "effective" TT. The reach numbers on both are so out of whack with each other, they must calculate them differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    So, I started out with the website recommended psi (200 if you are wondering) and the bike rode pretty firm and sag wasn't within the 30 to 35% recommended.
    Thanks for the feedback on the chart. We are tweaking it as we collect more data from everyone that has ridden the Balance and plan on having the recommended air settings dialed before frames start shipping.

    The shock settings however, we are very happy with as Lance and I have both been running these settings for a bit now. (Of course these settings are ONLY a baseline and everyone has their own preferences.)

    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I did bottom out the fork pretty hard on one landing.
    The Pikes will ship with additional tokens, (air volume spacers), that you can fine tune the forks progression curve. This will allow the fork to feel smooth through it's travel, yet eliminate harsh bottom outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    Thanks for the feedback on the chart. We are tweaking it as we collect more data from everyone that has ridden the Balance and plan on having the recommended air settings dialed before frames start shipping.

    The shock settings however, we are very happy with as Lance and I have both been running these settings for a bit now. (Of course these settings are ONLY a baseline and everyone has their own preferences.)



    The Pikes will ship with additional tokens, (air volume spacers), that you can fine tune the forks progression curve. This will allow the fork to feel smooth through it's travel, yet eliminate harsh bottom outs.
    Ahh, good to know. I would guess I needed to turn up the rebound to compensate for the higher air spring pressure I am running. I still would like to play around with rebound more but my legs are too tired right now - I took it up again this morning for another couple of hours
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    I'm the same size as you and I'm on the fence btwn a L and XL Balance. I can't test ride one but I was on a large Rune with an ETT of 610 mm and a reach of 441 mm and it felt cramped. The large Balance has ETT of 607 and reach of 438. If these measurments are consistent between manufacturers, I should be going with an XL Balance. But your experience comparing the reach of your Pivot to the Balance has me wondering if they are measured differently.

    A cramped cockpit doesn't concern me when going DH but when pedaling relatively flat sections I feel like my weight is too far forward. Did you have a similar experience with the large Balance? I'm thinking I should be going with an XL but it's a tough call without test riding. FWIW I had a large The One and it felt perfect.

    Any input would be appreciated.

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    I would ask the Canfield guys how the One compares TT reach wise but I like to avoid the same things you do. If the XL is slightly too long, there's a bunch of 35mm reach stems out now.
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    Overall, I loved the bike. The boys at Canfield know bikes, and what a ripping bike should feel like and it certainly showed that knowledge through their first 650B bike! This was as close as a bike can get between being a decent climbing bike, and an all out bomber DH bike. Thanks for letting me shred this super sick bike guys! I want one bad!
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    Good point. I'd rather make a longer frame fit with a short stem than make a short frame fit with a long stem.

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    ^ that's exactly what i did on my nimble 9, i don't regret it either

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    Canfield Brothers Balance - First Look

    One of the guys from my lbs ordered a balance and he said got word weds that they shipped.


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    so 7/23 to 7/30 arrival in USA

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