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    If anyone has a Black XL frame with orange links they want to part with...

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    I have no idea how you guys are getting your builds that light I'm on a medium frame with fox 36, GX drive train, truvativ carbon cranks, Nextie carbon wheels, and a fox float x which puts the bike over 32lbs. I've also got an Avalanche woodie I throw on for more rough stuff but that pushes it up to 35 lbs The bike rides sooo much better with the coil, but that's a ridiculous weight penalty to be carrying around on my local trails, so I tend to stick with the Float x. Even if I forked out the dough for X01, Next cranks, and carbon bars, there is still no way this bike weighs anywhere close to 30-31 lbs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gigi View Post
    I have no idea how you guys are getting your builds that light I'm on a medium frame with fox 36, GX drive train, truvativ carbon cranks, Nextie carbon wheels, and a fox float x which puts the bike over 32lbs. I've also got an Avalanche woodie I throw on for more rough stuff but that pushes it up to 35 lbs The bike rides sooo much better with the coil, but that's a ridiculous weight penalty to be carrying around on my local trails, so I tend to stick with the Float x. Even if I forked out the dough for X01, Next cranks, and carbon bars, there is still no way this bike weighs anywhere close to 30-31 lbs...
    Carbon bar and lighter cassette is over a pound savings...so put the woodie back on lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    Carbon bar and lighter cassette is over a pound savings...so put the woodie back on lol!
    Quit putting expensive ideas in my mind!

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    30lbs 14oz

    -XL frame
    -Cane Creek 40 headset
    -renthal 40mm stem
    -renthal carbon bars
    -trail X0 brakes 200 front 180 rear rotor
    -X01 carbon cranks
    -Eagle X01 drivetrain
    -american classic hubs with lightbike carbon rims and high end sapim spokes (very light and strong wheelset)
    -maxxiss aggressor 2.3 rear, e13 front tire setup tubeless
    -9point8 fall line 175 post
    -wtb silverado team saddle
    -canfield mountain flat pedals
    -MRP ribbon fork
    -DVO topaz rear shock
    -Odi rogue grips
    -canfield seatpost collar

    I have a DVO topaz coil shock I throw on from time to time and it adds almost exactly a pound but I have the Topaz dialed and prefer it to the coil pretty close to everywhere now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gigi View Post
    Quit putting expensive ideas in my mind!
    Haha sorry tried to do the same thing myself. But Riot an Avy are chocolate and peanut butter

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    Don't feel bad Dr Gigi. My Balance with a Jade is over 35lbs as well. Even with planned upgrades I don't see a way below 33lbs. Sorry for the Balance comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aenema View Post
    30lbs 14oz

    -XL frame
    -Cane Creek 40 headset
    -renthal 40mm stem
    -renthal carbon bars
    -trail X0 brakes 200 front 180 rear rotor
    -X01 carbon cranks
    -Eagle X01 drivetrain
    -american classic hubs with lightbike carbon rims and high end sapim spokes (very light and strong wheelset)
    -maxxiss aggressor 2.3 rear, e13 front tire setup tubeless
    -9point8 fall line 175 post
    -wtb silverado team saddle
    -canfield mountain flat pedals
    -MRP ribbon fork
    -DVO topaz rear shock
    -Odi rogue grips
    -canfield seatpost collar

    I have a DVO topaz coil shock I throw on from time to time and it adds almost exactly a pound but I have the Topaz dialed and prefer it to the coil pretty close to everywhere now.
    Thanks for the build list, your setup gives me a good idea of the weight I should expect. I think I'll be coming in at about the same weight you are. Here's the comparison just to be sure, let me know if I missed anything.

    Large frame, slightly lighter then XL?
    DVO Diamond +200g vs MRP Ribbon
    CC DBIL +/-0 vs DVO Topaz
    150mm dropper -50g vs 175mm Fall Line
    RF Alloy bars +50g vs Renthal carbon
    Zee -70g vs X0 Trail brakes
    XX1/X01 11spd -100g vs X01 Eagle
    Continental Der Kaiser +/-0 vs Maxxis Aggressor + E13 TRS Enduro
    Ibis 942 wheels +/-0 vs custom wheelset (assuming 460g rims and CX-Ray spokes)

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    My wheels were about 1500 with tubeless tape and valve. They are pretty exceptionally light. Rest looks pretty close those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aenema View Post
    My wheels were about 1500 with tubeless tape and valve. They are pretty exceptionally light. Rest looks pretty close those.
    Nice, what rims are you running to pull off the 1500g weight? It looks like I'm going to have a difficult time getting down to 30lb, as my wheelset is about 150g heavier and I'm not saving much weight anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix864 View Post
    Nice, what rims are you running to pull off the 1500g weight? It looks like I'm going to have a difficult time getting down to 30lb, as my wheelset is about 150g heavier and I'm not saving much weight anywhere else.
    My roval fattie sl carbons are in that ball park. Mine are dressed in cushcore though so I added a bit back to it for safety and feel sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    My roval fattie sl carbons are in that ball park. Mine are dressed in cushcore though so I added a bit back to it for safety and feel sake.
    I guess the additional spokes and extra width of the Ibis wheels tack on a decent weight penalty. Not a huge issue though, as I like their stiffness and ability to run low pressures. Looks like I may end up with a 30+ pound Riot.

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    And your going to love it. Yes you might be a half second slower on the climbs, because of the extra weight, but you will more than make up for it on the other side going down. Fun bikes!

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    My L Riot is a hair over 31 lbs, with carbon rims, handlebar, and cranks. MRP Stage and Float X.

    I think the biggest thing we're missing in these weight discussions are exact tyre specs. Just as an example, I have a Muddy Mary up front, but don't even know exactly anymore what width, folding vs wire, or rubber compound. The current 29er MM options range between 880g and 1350g in weight, so that can easily give a 2 lbs weight difference between builds depending on tyres.

    For me, I hate flats and love grips so I'd rather be on the safe side. Also don't want to change tyres if I go park riding for a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drLEE View Post
    I think the biggest thing we're missing in these weight discussions are exact tyre specs.
    We're also missing... Fun. These weight discussions are so boring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWnSWCO View Post
    We're also missing... Fun. These weight discussions are so boring!
    True. Typical desk job day time substitute for actual riding....

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    I've played weight weenie a bit with this bike, and will probably continue to do so, because I plan to ride it for years and screwing with the bike is kind of a hobby unto itself for me.
    BUT, I really think wheels and tires are the only thing that makes a meaningful difference for most of the riding I usually do.
    For instance, I've run it singlespeed off and on-mostly on, for awhile now. Running it SS drops 1.2lbs of drivetrain weight. Haven't done it yet(but will) this time around, but I'm short, and have typically swapped from lighter SRAM 170mm cranks SS to heavier Canfield 165mm ones when geared. It's ~1.5lb difference, total. Strange as it may sound, the bike actually feels lighter to me with gears for whatever reason, even mimicking my SS ratio. Don't know or care why, that's just my perception.
    Faster rolling tires and ~200 grams less tire weight=instantly noticeable difference in how the bike pedals and behaves, though.
    My M Riot with Topaz and Pike is currently 29.4lbs(with 810 and 856g trail tires), and I could lose another pound by throwing money at the "problem" with carbon and lighter drivetrain parts. I'm still pretty enthused about dropping 3/4lb of wheel weight with a carbon set adequate for my needs(no real jumps or drops, just rough terrain), but equally convinced that, at least from a practical standpoint, all the little stuff I've counted grams over was a waste.
    I plan to ride more frequently at a place that requires more extended climbing, so weight may indeed make more difference in that respect. That's what I'm gonna tell myself anyway, so I have an excuse to keep "decorating" my Riot

    While I'm here..got to play rough for a little bit yesterday,
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    I feel the same thing. Short people with short legs should use short cranks. It takes a lot of energy to over come the dead spot on longer cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenM View Post
    I've played weight weenie a bit with this bike, and will probably continue to do so, because I plan to ride it for years and screwing with the bike is kind of a hobby unto itself for me.
    BUT, I really think wheels and tires are the only thing that makes a meaningful difference for most of the riding I usually do.
    For instance, I've run it singlespeed off and on-mostly on, for awhile now. Running it SS drops 1.2lbs of drivetrain weight. Haven't done it yet(but will) this time around, but I'm short, and have typically swapped from lighter SRAM 170mm cranks SS to heavier Canfield 165mm ones when geared. It's ~1.5lb difference, total. Strange as it may sound, the bike actually feels lighter to me with gears for whatever reason, even mimicking my SS ratio. Don't know or care why, that's just my perception.
    Faster rolling tires and ~200 grams less tire weight=instantly noticeable difference in how the bike pedals and behaves, though.
    My M Riot with Topaz and Pike is currently 29.4lbs(with 810 and 856g trail tires), and I could lose another pound by throwing money at the "problem" with carbon and lighter drivetrain parts. I'm still pretty enthused about dropping 3/4lb of wheel weight with a carbon set adequate for my needs(no real jumps or drops, just rough terrain), but equally convinced that, at least from a practical standpoint, all the little stuff I've counted grams over was a waste.
    I plan to ride more frequently at a place that requires more extended climbing, so weight may indeed make more difference in that respect. That's what I'm gonna tell myself anyway, so I have an excuse to keep "decorating" my Riot

    While I'm here..got to play rough for a little bit yesterday,
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    Thanks for the info on wheels and tires. I'm planning to run my 1000g Der Kaisers until they are worn out, but when I replace them I will definitely be looking at 800-900g tires. What wheels are you running? My Ibis 942 wheels are on the heavier side for carbon at 1670g, but I'm not planning to replace them so it's a weight I'll have to work with.

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    I've got Flow Mk3 front, Arch Mk3 rear on DT350 with CX-Ray spokes and brass nipples. They're 1829g.
    No complaints, or hurry to replace my wheels, just figure I'll do it at some point. Folks posting about ~1550g wheelsets with 400g AM layup rims that should be fine for my riding does tempt me!

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    Hi,
    Anyone has an AVY damper?
    I have got it as present. I can not understand where is compression knob.

    Please give me instruction

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    Quote Originally Posted by q232 View Post
    Hi,
    Anyone has an AVY damper?
    I have got it as present. I can not understand where is compression knob.

    Please give me instruction
    You need a small flat screwdriver. Insert it into the nut at the bottom of the fork.

    FYI you may need to file the sides of the flat head where it flares out to get it to fit. Craig at Avy sends a filed one with the cart
    Last edited by Cerberus75; 1 Week Ago at 09:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    You need a small flat screwdriver. Insert it into the nut at the bottom of the fork.

    FYI you may need to file the sides of the flat head where it flares out to get it to fit. Craig at Avy sends a filed one with the cart
    Thank you for answer. I have one. Top is rebound and bottom is compression. Is it right?

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    Correct. A dime works well for the rebound.

    I think the avy makes a fork great. Combined with the push coil..best fork on a trail bike ever.

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    dvo diamond in 150mm is ok for the warranty or not?
    I dont want pike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darksoul View Post
    dvo diamond in 150mm is ok for the warranty or not?
    I dont want pike
    Iíve got 2 seasons on a dvo diamond and topaz on my riot. And Iíve been more then happy with it. I will never go back to fox or rockshox for suspension needs. For reference I have mrp on my other bikes and also more then pleased


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raleighguy29 View Post
    Iíve got 2 seasons on a dvo diamond and topaz on my riot. And Iíve been more then happy with it. I will never go back to fox or rockshox for suspension needs. For reference I have mrp on my other bikes and also more then pleased


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    Ι hope to get it soon....
    topaz its just perfect and with a few rides just take it where I want it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darksoul View Post
    Ι hope to get it soon....
    topaz its just perfect and with a few rides just take it where I want it!
    Iíve had my riot to windrock and snow shoe. Performance was excellent. FYI all 4 of my bikes are Canfields epo riot balance and nimble9. Would love to add a Jedi but I wonít ever get to enough bike parks to justify it.


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