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    DeKerf thread

    Im a big fan of Chris's work and currently own 4 DeKerf's. 3 build up at this point and all in use. The Team SL is in 'daily' use. The Generation get's it fair share of singletrack warping due the overall caracteristics of the bike, which is a tad harscher than my Team SL. The Suspension did get some miles of riding, but full suspension isn't my thing actually for XC, so it won't be ridden that often in the future.

    '00 Team SL (9.3 kg in this trim)



    Build with RaceFace/XTR (2x9spd setup), GripShift, Avid Arch Suprem's, Easton CT2 seatpost, green King headset and green King rear hub, currently also a FRM alu/carbon front hub, Mavic X517 rims, Sapim spokes and a FRM stem.


    '96 Generation



    Full XTR M900 at this point. The fork is a very hard Brodie Gatorblade fork, this is a very stiff rocket. Only when Im in my best shape I want to ride this on long rides. Else it will be the weapon of choice on the short, twisty trails.


    '95 Suspension



    The AMP rear end works... it works a lot, it works not as the current FS designs. This is why I wont ride a lot on this bike. I like pushing big gears. The bigger gear you choose on this bike, the more in-efficient it becomes.


    '94 Team/Mountain



    This frame is brand new, painted only 1,5 years ago since it had been sitting at DK till that time. I will have it resprayed in Tangerine (one of the two colors available in the day's it was build). Have some intersting stuff to go on this bike; Syncros rigid fork, ti seatpost, Revolution cranks, XTR-900 and a very tricky titanium stem-bar-combo made by DeKerf.

    This frame features the 'left-open' wishbone design, which was the original design of Chris. Later after switching to the investment cast Ritchey socket dropouts, he had to cap the wishbone.
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    Those bikes are beautiful - any chance you could post some close ups of the seatstays, dropouts, etc. etc?

    Oh yeah and how did you get mulitiple photos into your post? Inquiring Balfa owners want to know!

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    Wow! That's not a bike frame - that's art!

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    here is my favorite close-up of all. It actually is the frame that is sitting right here now. The last frame posted in my first message is for 99% sure the frame in this picture.
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    Tell me more about that Brodie fork...niiice.
    And those open rear triangle are way cool.
    Man.

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    Dekerf #DEK522

    here's mine. I've had it repainted a few times, hence the variety of colors.

    What a great bike, I love it so much.... this one stays for life.....
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    Did DeKerf every make a road bike?

    I thought I saw a DeKerf road bike a few years ago and felt that their rear triangle design would make a pretty cool fixie/commuter/CX bike. Anyone seen one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-O
    I thought I saw a DeKerf road bike a few years ago and felt that their rear triangle design would make a pretty cool fixie/commuter/CX bike. Anyone seen one?
    There is a listing for one on RoadBikeReview.com

    Dekerf Cycle Innovations Prodigy Scandium


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    And it's Scandium to boot.
    Me likey.
    Donde esta? Where can I get one?

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    They make/made a cyclocross bike too.

    http://www.roadbikereview.com/Cycloc...6_1604crx.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    And it's Scandium to boot.
    Me likey.
    Donde esta? Where can I get one?
    I'd say contact DeKerf directly.

    If anyone is looking for DeKerf HT and softail frames, one of the LBS up here has a few hanging up. I think they are a few years old though as they don't have disk mounts on them. As they don't have disc mounts, I can't see them being a big seller.

    Found a listing of what they have here on:

    DeKerf's listing of older frames at their dealers

    (Here = Vancouver)

    Edit: added link

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    And it's Scandium to boot.
    Me likey.
    Donde esta? Where can I get one?
    No idea what size you need, but....
    Price below will be in Cdn $

    From:
    DeKerf's listing of Dealers with older frames

    "Prodigy
    2000
    58cm
    Pearl White
    $1099
    Frame & fork. This is a beutiful road machine, sure to be the envy of your riding buddies."

    John Henry The Bicycle Man
    #100-400 Brooksbank Av. N. Vancover, BC
    604-986-5534
    http://www.johnhenrybikes.com/

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    I have to show my DeKerf too!

    2001 DeKerf Implant

    Simply awesome freeride hardtail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com
    2001 DeKerf Implant

    Simply awesome freeride hardtail.
    Wow!

    Do you own that Knolly?

    Awesome!

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    yeah, thats stunning. I would love to own an implant someday, maybe with a z1 on it.... hmmm... drool....

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    Yup!

    Tha's my other baby!
    Thanks for the compliments!

    Here's another pic showing the head tube and gusset welding.

    The Implant is now running Louise FR brakes and I'm hoping to put a new Magura Thor fork on it. The mid-ego is good, but it's internals are now a bit dated (it's a couple of years old) and while the inverted fork is super rigid at speed, it's a bit twisty on the lower speed technical trails around here.

    The only downside to the Implant is the limited rear tire clearance - otherwise, it's a fantastic rig that should last many, many years!
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    thanks for showing all the art that is dekerf.

    i still want an elysium.

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    Some DeKerf pics found on the net with Google.

    There are 10 pics on these two pages:
    http://www.teamcow.ca/bikeguide/dekerf/
    http://www.teamcow.ca/bikeguide/dekerf/index2.html








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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com
    Tha's my other baby!
    Thanks for the compliments!

    Here's another pic showing the head tube and gusset welding.

    The Implant is now running Louise FR brakes and I'm hoping to put a new Magura Thor fork on it. The mid-ego is good, but it's internals are now a bit dated (it's a couple of years old) and while the inverted fork is super rigid at speed, it's a bit twisty on the lower speed technical trails around here.

    The only downside to the Implant is the limited rear tire clearance - otherwise, it's a fantastic rig that should last many, many years!
    Are Magura forks easy to obtain in Canada? How do they compare to the big three (Manitou, Marzocchi, Fox)?

    What sort of full suspension rig does DeKerf make these days? Do they make a FS rig that is North Shore ready so to speak?

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    Magura eventually bought out Rond a year or so ago (they were in a partnership earlier I believe, but I could be wrong). Rond was a fairly big player in Europe (the 1996 olympics were won on a Rond fork I think), but had very little exposure in N. America. I know that about a year ago, Magura brought their fork production from the netherlands (where Rond was located) over to Germany, which is where Magura forks are made (again, I'm not 100% positive on the details here...). So, I think that they are now just getting ready to have a "normal" year as far as selling their forks is concerned. Oh ya - did I mention that the details might be totally wrong? These comments are just off the top of my head :)

    The Mid-ego fork that is on the Implant is a 140mm travel reduced version of their Big-ego fork (185mm) - I think it is discontinued. The quality of manufacturing is superb - but as I said before, the internals are now about 3 years old, which puts mine behind more sophisticated forks offered by Manitou and Marzocchi (my personal opinion is that Rockshock is behind these two). I'm sure that Magura's newer fork valving has kept pace with current technology, as they offer a new platform damping rear coil shock and were the first to offer a linear spring rate rear air shock. I'm not sure if their forks currently offer SPV yet (hard to tell from the German site). I'd like to get a Thor to try on the Implant (their version of the Z-150) though, as it looks pretty trick.

    As far as DeKerf, I'm not sure what they're up to. You really don't see too many in stores anymore, which is a shame, because they are simply beautiful bikes - I think that they do a lot of painting, but I'm not sure how many frames they are building these days. Their website seems to have all there models on it though (www.dekerf.com). They do make an aluminum FS bike aparently, and they used to make a steel DH bike (actually shown in the links a couple of posts up), but that's a pretty old design. So, I guess, no, the only frame that they make that is suited to serious NS style riding would be the Implant.
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    A year back Chris told me he was working on a more Freeride-styled FS design. A few weeks ago Chris told me he had skipped the idea for the long term, since he was terribly busy. As far as I can tell right now, Chris is back to working with 2 employees and himself. Chris had a periode in time where he'd only do the custom frames and the proto's. He was working more on tooling and stuff, than the frames. Two welders @DeKerf did the framebuilding in that time. That's about the years the Generation model was made I believe.

    Nowadays Chris is fully invested with building frames himself again and that leeds me to think he kinda shrink in size of employers. Toxic Harold, former Brodie-painter, is one of his employees. His own way of work can clearly be seen on the custom paintjobs on the website nowadays.
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    Here's my work in progress. I actually bought the frame for my son (he's 12/tall/growing like a weed), with the intention of myself being able to ride it. It looks a bit goofy with the short stem, but that can be easily rectified when I ride it.
    I've drooled over DeKerf's for years, and when I found this frame in the basement of the shop I used to go to before I moved i couldn't control myself.
    I emailed Chris for some info on the rear shock maintenance, and about two weeks later he replied that he could mail the info to me because his computer's were pretty outdated. I still haven't recieved anything (it was about 3 months ago), but I'm not worried about it seeing how it'd only be about a 30min. drive for me to stop in at his shop. I think his time is better spent building these gorgeous frames than stuffing envelopes.

    Enough for now, I've got to go out to the garage and stare....

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    Here's my work in progress. I actually bought the frame for my son (he's 12/tall/growing like a weed), with the intention of myself being able to ride it. It looks a bit goofy with the short stem, but that can be easily rectified when I ride it.
    I've drooled over DeKerf's for years, and when I found this frame in the basement of the shop I used to go to before I moved i couldn't control myself.
    I emailed Chris for some info on the rear shock maintenance, and about two weeks later he replied that he could mail the info to me because his computer's were pretty outdated. I still haven't recieved anything (it was about 3 months ago), but I'm not worried about it seeing how it'd only be about a 30min. drive for me to stop in at his shop. I think his time is better spent building these gorgeous frames than stuffing envelopes.

    Enough for now, I've got to go out to the garage and stare....

    Cheers,

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    Beauteous! Take some close up shots if you can sometime Mike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH
    No idea what size you need, but....
    Price below will be in Cdn $

    From:
    DeKerf's listing of Dealers with older frames

    "Prodigy
    2000
    58cm
    Pearl White
    $1099
    Frame & fork. This is a beutiful road machine, sure to be the envy of your riding buddies."

    John Henry The Bicycle Man
    #100-400 Brooksbank Av. N. Vancover, BC
    604-986-5534
    http://www.johnhenrybikes.com/

    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?

    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...

    Also, anyone know the weight of the Prodigy and the Team SL?!

    Gracias.

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    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?

    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...

    Also, anyone know the weight of the Prodigy and the Team SL?!

    Gracias

    Looking through my '98 DeKerf catalogue, they have the weight of a Team SL at 1685grams. It's the full 853 frame (same as '00).
    A Generation frame weighs in at 1875grams.

    In '98, the Prodigy was also Reynolds 853 tubing, so I can't help on the weight of that one - I bet the Scandium one would be pretty feathery.

    If you're interested, the shop with the Team SL can be found at:
    www.rockycycle.com
    I was in that shop a few months ago, and they still had them hanging on the wall.

    Hope this helps.

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    Oh yeah, the Burgundy colour is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?

    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...

    Also, anyone know the weight of the Prodigy and the Team SL?!

    Gracias

    Looking through my '98 DeKerf catalogue, they have the weight of a Team SL at 1685grams. It's the full 853 frame (same as '00).
    A Generation frame weighs in at 1875grams.

    In '98, the Prodigy was also Reynolds 853 tubing, so I can't help on the weight of that one - I bet the Scandium one would be pretty feathery.

    If you're interested, the shop with the Team SL can be found at:
    www.rockycycle.com
    I was in that shop a few months ago, and they still had them hanging on the wall.

    Hope this helps.

    Mike E.
    Oh yeah, the Burgundy colour is awesome.

    Thanks a bunch Mike E. I wonder though, do you have any contact info for RockyCycle? An Email addy?
    Cuz their website is not working right now. Blank in Safari and nothing but html in IE. Gracias.

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    Try this email addy: rok@rockycycle.com
    Here's a phone number too: (604) 591-5333

    They're web-site is a bit on the sketchy side right now, I agree.

    Mike E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?
    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...
    Gracias.
    For the Prodigy road bike, you'll have to contact the store directly.

    Here is a photo of the Burgundy Team SL though.


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    Whoa! That thing is niiice!
    Wonder what that'll set me back.
    Wonder if they'll sell without that fork. Full rigid baby.

    Thanks for all the help!

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    Price listed in Cdn $.

    From:
    http://www.rockycycle.com/frame.htm

    "Model DeKerf Team SL
    Material 853 Reynolds, Cr-Mo
    Size 16"
    Color Red
    Seat Post 27.2mm
    Headset 1" 1/8
    Bottom Bracket 68/113
    Suspension RockShox Judy XC
    Feature Hand Built, King of cross country!, comes with fork! (WOW)
    Reg. $ 1,799 Sale. $ 1,499 "

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    That last link is of a good riding buddy of mine's (mac) Team SL. He's also an MTBR regular. I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in on this thread yet!

    Anyway. First off, Iíd like to say that this must be the coolest thread ever; completely dedicated to Dekerf? Awesome. What better way to have, owners fans and, I guess, if there are any, critics, come together and communicate! Well, being an owner/rider of a Dekerf also, I obviously had to get in on this thread so let me be the first to post photos of a Team ST

    Hereís my Dekerf Team ST (the full 853 model Ė no Ti chainstays)

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/dk1(1).jpg">

    I have since purchased new Sram X.O stuff to replace the old XTR bits, new Race Face rings, new XTR front Der and a new XTR cassette which Iíll be putting on after winter (donít want snow touching the new stuff yet). New forks (probably Fox RLT 80ís) will also be added in March. Iíve been riding this bike a while now and will be riding it a looooong time from now as well since I absolutely love this thing.
    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/dk1b.jpg">


    Hereís is also an old pic from roughly around the time when I first bought the bike and put it together. Itís a good shot of the seat stay for you.

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/dk1c.jpg">

    They are such works of art. The great thing is, they ride as nice as they look! Just a little shot of me at Mike Tís Micro Gathering a while back in October 2002. It was cold but as always a great ride.

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/ska.jpg">

    Ska!

    p.s. If anyone has ANY Magura related questions, contact Mike T. He's the man when it comes to that stuff.

    Also for DeDwarf: we communicated before (a long time ago via e-mail) and those two STís my buddy had in his shop are still there hanging from the ceiling if you want one for your collection. Theyíre even cheaper now. As mentioned before there is a custom pearl white one (AWESOME colour) and one in Dekerfís Kermit green. I keep forgetting to snap a picture of the Dekerf Team Ti heís riding but Iíll get that for you too eventually. Itís so sweet. If you want a price for one of the frames, let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ska!
    Anyway. First off, I’d like to say that this must be the coolest thread ever; completely dedicated to Dekerf? Awesome. What better way to have, owners fans and, I guess, if there are any, critics, come together and communicate! Well, being an owner/rider of a Dekerf also, I obviously had to get in on this thread so let me be the first to post photos of a Team ST
    I posted several times on the DK website's guestbook for us to gather on a forum or a own site or so. This is a good alternative for DK riders across the globe!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ska!
    Also for DeDwarf: we communicated before (a long time ago via e-mail) and those two ST’s my buddy had in his shop are still there hanging from the ceiling if you want one for your collection. They’re even cheaper now. As mentioned before there is a custom pearl white one (AWESOME colour) and one in Dekerf’s Kermit green. I keep forgetting to snap a picture of the Dekerf Team Ti he’s riding but I’ll get that for you too eventually. It’s so sweet. If you want a price for one of the frames, let me know.
    DeDwarf was my previous nickname.. changed it to my reall name

    The ST's are great, and ofcourse I would want to have one. But the fact is.. Im 22, just working for 2yrs, already have a fairly expanded stable of bikes... and I can not own all DK's around. Plus I need my cash too for a house/car/living etc. So I should keep it down to these '4 DeKerfs' right now

    Anyway, please continue posting in this topic. This should be one of the finest collection of Canadian made rigs from Chris...

    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeroen
    The ST's are great, and ofcourse I would want to have one. But the fact is.. Im 22, just working for 2yrs, already have a fairly expanded stable of bikes... and I can not own all DK's around. Plus I need my cash too for a house/car/living etc. So I should keep it down to these '4 DeKerfs' right now
    I hear you on the money thing dude. Iím in the same boat only Iíve got 8 years on you and Iím still in school! If you ever change your mind about the rides, theyíll be there waiting.

    Iíll do my best to get a photo of his Ti DK. I think itíd be a sweet addition to the collection that is slowly building here on the site.

    Later,
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    a couple of pics...

    of a Team SL (mine) and a Team ST (Ska!)
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    try...

    again...
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Pretty nice...

    lacing pattern if I do say so myself

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    First timer here, an internet buddy told me to check out the vintage stuff and I ended up here also.

    21 inch 1998 Dekerf Team SL
    1997 Marzochi BAM 2
    Syncros Crank, stem and BB
    Thomson Seat Post
    CK headset
    Old mavic MTB front hub, XT rear
    Ringle Twisters
    XT/XTR bits and pieces

    Since people mentioned gatorblades, my other bike is a 1988 Brodie Climbmax, with a gatorblade fork, grafton brakes, Cook Bros Ti BB, and other old parts. I'll post an image when I get a chance.
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    The ugly duckling

    Well it turns out it was a frog anyways.

    This is my convert singlespeed, freeride (sort of) Implant.

    Unfortunately I don't have a photo of my far more breathtaking Team SL in Burgundy. Maybe I will rectify that so I can post it as well.
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    Well, it was a good try.

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    Stopped by their shop on Friday and talked to Chris. Nice guy! I don't think I'd ever met him before.

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    CraigH... Were there any employees there too...???

    Yummy....


    (pictured with a temporary frontwheel, have to repair the original (bearings)

    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    Wheelbase??

    Quote Originally Posted by donk
    First timer here, an internet buddy told me to check out the vintage stuff and I ended up here also.

    21 inch 1998 Dekerf Team SL
    1997 Marzochi BAM 2
    Syncros Crank, stem and BB
    Thomson Seat Post
    CK headset
    Old mavic MTB front hub, XT rear
    Ringle Twisters
    XT/XTR bits and pieces

    Since people mentioned gatorblades, my other bike is a 1988 Brodie Climbmax, with a gatorblade fork, grafton brakes, Cook Bros Ti BB, and other old parts. I'll post an image when I get a chance.


    What is the wheelbase on the 21" SL measure? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeroen
    CraigH... Were there any employees there too...???
    Another guy wearing a DeKerf Carhart (sp?) jacket walked into the shop while I was dealing with Chris. I had the impression that he worked there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    What is the wheelbase on the 21" SL measure? Thanks

    Sorry, I can't get the measurement to you for a few weeks. The bike is boxed at my old house, waiting to be shipped to me with the rest of my possessions. Joys of moving.

    As soon as I get it back I'll measure it for you.

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    How can you tell a Generation from a Team SL?

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
    The easiest way to tell the two apart is that theTeam SL's have a fillet brazed seat tube/top tube junction/lug, while generations are tig'd.

    Other things to look for:

    SL's are 853 and Generations are 525(pretty sure)

    The colour options where different too. Fewer choices for the generation.

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    So, no lug on the Generation?

    Quote Originally Posted by donk
    The easiest way to tell the two apart is that theTeam SL's have a fillet brazed seat tube/top tube junction/lug, while generations are tig'd.

    Other things to look for:

    SL's are 853 and Generations are 525(pretty sure)

    The colour options where different too. Fewer choices for the generation.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donk
    The easiest way to tell the two apart is that theTeam SL's have a fillet brazed seat tube/top tube junction/lug, while generations are tig'd.

    Other things to look for:

    SL's are 853 and Generations are 525(pretty sure)

    The colour options where different too. Fewer choices for the generation.
    The first generation Generation's (...) were made from Ritchey Logic and Tange Prestige tubing (1996). In 1997 they were made from Reynolds 725. In 1999 they switched to a similiar tubeset as the airhardening 853 on the SL, the Reynolds 631 (budgetwiser version of the 853).

    I have a 1996 Generation, made from Tange/Ritchey tubing. My SL is made from 853, my '95 Full Suspension also from Tange/Ritchey and my '94 Mountain/Team from a Tange/Ritchey mixture as well.
    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    New question here. Sizing on a Genration (2000)

    Hi there

    I am into bying my first DeKerf. I got this very good offer on a 16" Generation. But I am 178cm high, so it seems a bit too small. I have ridden a 17,5" team SL with a short 9cm stem some years ago. What about running a 11cm stem on the 16" Generation. Do you think this might make enough room in the cockpit?

    Or shall I pronounce the question otherwise: anybody who knows what the top tube difference between a 16" and 17,5"?


    Thanks!

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    Seatpost size for a Team SL ??

    Have a frame on the way and need a post for it. Any help would be appreciated.

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    ... and if we just ... 16" and 17.5" tt generation

    Hi, I'm a proud owner of a 2000 dekerf generation..the tt for 16" is 21.5" and 17.5" is 22.25. I'm 5'5, almost 5'6" w/ a 30" inseam and the 16" is perfect. May be a tad small for you. I believe the following year, the 16" tt went up to 22"ish...maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Good luck, it's a beautiful bike a true keeper. -

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