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    DeKerf thread

    Im a big fan of Chris's work and currently own 4 DeKerf's. 3 build up at this point and all in use. The Team SL is in 'daily' use. The Generation get's it fair share of singletrack warping due the overall caracteristics of the bike, which is a tad harscher than my Team SL. The Suspension did get some miles of riding, but full suspension isn't my thing actually for XC, so it won't be ridden that often in the future.

    '00 Team SL (9.3 kg in this trim)



    Build with RaceFace/XTR (2x9spd setup), GripShift, Avid Arch Suprem's, Easton CT2 seatpost, green King headset and green King rear hub, currently also a FRM alu/carbon front hub, Mavic X517 rims, Sapim spokes and a FRM stem.


    '96 Generation



    Full XTR M900 at this point. The fork is a very hard Brodie Gatorblade fork, this is a very stiff rocket. Only when Im in my best shape I want to ride this on long rides. Else it will be the weapon of choice on the short, twisty trails.


    '95 Suspension



    The AMP rear end works... it works a lot, it works not as the current FS designs. This is why I wont ride a lot on this bike. I like pushing big gears. The bigger gear you choose on this bike, the more in-efficient it becomes.


    '94 Team/Mountain



    This frame is brand new, painted only 1,5 years ago since it had been sitting at DK till that time. I will have it resprayed in Tangerine (one of the two colors available in the day's it was build). Have some intersting stuff to go on this bike; Syncros rigid fork, ti seatpost, Revolution cranks, XTR-900 and a very tricky titanium stem-bar-combo made by DeKerf.

    This frame features the 'left-open' wishbone design, which was the original design of Chris. Later after switching to the investment cast Ritchey socket dropouts, he had to cap the wishbone.
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    Those bikes are beautiful - any chance you could post some close ups of the seatstays, dropouts, etc. etc?

    Oh yeah and how did you get mulitiple photos into your post? Inquiring Balfa owners want to know!

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    Wow! That's not a bike frame - that's art!

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    here is my favorite close-up of all. It actually is the frame that is sitting right here now. The last frame posted in my first message is for 99% sure the frame in this picture.
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    Tell me more about that Brodie fork...niiice.
    And those open rear triangle are way cool.
    Man.

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    Dekerf #DEK522

    here's mine. I've had it repainted a few times, hence the variety of colors.

    What a great bike, I love it so much.... this one stays for life.....
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    Did DeKerf every make a road bike?

    I thought I saw a DeKerf road bike a few years ago and felt that their rear triangle design would make a pretty cool fixie/commuter/CX bike. Anyone seen one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve-O
    I thought I saw a DeKerf road bike a few years ago and felt that their rear triangle design would make a pretty cool fixie/commuter/CX bike. Anyone seen one?
    There is a listing for one on RoadBikeReview.com

    Dekerf Cycle Innovations Prodigy Scandium


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    And it's Scandium to boot.
    Me likey.
    Donde esta? Where can I get one?

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    They make/made a cyclocross bike too.

    http://www.roadbikereview.com/Cycloc...6_1604crx.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    And it's Scandium to boot.
    Me likey.
    Donde esta? Where can I get one?
    I'd say contact DeKerf directly.

    If anyone is looking for DeKerf HT and softail frames, one of the LBS up here has a few hanging up. I think they are a few years old though as they don't have disk mounts on them. As they don't have disc mounts, I can't see them being a big seller.

    Found a listing of what they have here on:

    DeKerf's listing of older frames at their dealers

    (Here = Vancouver)

    Edit: added link

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    And it's Scandium to boot.
    Me likey.
    Donde esta? Where can I get one?
    No idea what size you need, but....
    Price below will be in Cdn $

    From:
    DeKerf's listing of Dealers with older frames

    "Prodigy
    2000
    58cm
    Pearl White
    $1099
    Frame & fork. This is a beutiful road machine, sure to be the envy of your riding buddies."

    John Henry The Bicycle Man
    #100-400 Brooksbank Av. N. Vancover, BC
    604-986-5534
    http://www.johnhenrybikes.com/

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    I have to show my DeKerf too!

    2001 DeKerf Implant

    Simply awesome freeride hardtail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com
    2001 DeKerf Implant

    Simply awesome freeride hardtail.
    Wow!

    Do you own that Knolly?

    Awesome!

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    yeah, thats stunning. I would love to own an implant someday, maybe with a z1 on it.... hmmm... drool....

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    Yup!

    Tha's my other baby!
    Thanks for the compliments!

    Here's another pic showing the head tube and gusset welding.

    The Implant is now running Louise FR brakes and I'm hoping to put a new Magura Thor fork on it. The mid-ego is good, but it's internals are now a bit dated (it's a couple of years old) and while the inverted fork is super rigid at speed, it's a bit twisty on the lower speed technical trails around here.

    The only downside to the Implant is the limited rear tire clearance - otherwise, it's a fantastic rig that should last many, many years!
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    thanks for showing all the art that is dekerf.

    i still want an elysium.

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    Some DeKerf pics found on the net with Google.

    There are 10 pics on these two pages:
    http://www.teamcow.ca/bikeguide/dekerf/
    http://www.teamcow.ca/bikeguide/dekerf/index2.html








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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com
    Tha's my other baby!
    Thanks for the compliments!

    Here's another pic showing the head tube and gusset welding.

    The Implant is now running Louise FR brakes and I'm hoping to put a new Magura Thor fork on it. The mid-ego is good, but it's internals are now a bit dated (it's a couple of years old) and while the inverted fork is super rigid at speed, it's a bit twisty on the lower speed technical trails around here.

    The only downside to the Implant is the limited rear tire clearance - otherwise, it's a fantastic rig that should last many, many years!
    Are Magura forks easy to obtain in Canada? How do they compare to the big three (Manitou, Marzocchi, Fox)?

    What sort of full suspension rig does DeKerf make these days? Do they make a FS rig that is North Shore ready so to speak?

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    Magura eventually bought out Rond a year or so ago (they were in a partnership earlier I believe, but I could be wrong). Rond was a fairly big player in Europe (the 1996 olympics were won on a Rond fork I think), but had very little exposure in N. America. I know that about a year ago, Magura brought their fork production from the netherlands (where Rond was located) over to Germany, which is where Magura forks are made (again, I'm not 100% positive on the details here...). So, I think that they are now just getting ready to have a "normal" year as far as selling their forks is concerned. Oh ya - did I mention that the details might be totally wrong? These comments are just off the top of my head :)

    The Mid-ego fork that is on the Implant is a 140mm travel reduced version of their Big-ego fork (185mm) - I think it is discontinued. The quality of manufacturing is superb - but as I said before, the internals are now about 3 years old, which puts mine behind more sophisticated forks offered by Manitou and Marzocchi (my personal opinion is that Rockshock is behind these two). I'm sure that Magura's newer fork valving has kept pace with current technology, as they offer a new platform damping rear coil shock and were the first to offer a linear spring rate rear air shock. I'm not sure if their forks currently offer SPV yet (hard to tell from the German site). I'd like to get a Thor to try on the Implant (their version of the Z-150) though, as it looks pretty trick.

    As far as DeKerf, I'm not sure what they're up to. You really don't see too many in stores anymore, which is a shame, because they are simply beautiful bikes - I think that they do a lot of painting, but I'm not sure how many frames they are building these days. Their website seems to have all there models on it though (www.dekerf.com). They do make an aluminum FS bike aparently, and they used to make a steel DH bike (actually shown in the links a couple of posts up), but that's a pretty old design. So, I guess, no, the only frame that they make that is suited to serious NS style riding would be the Implant.
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    A year back Chris told me he was working on a more Freeride-styled FS design. A few weeks ago Chris told me he had skipped the idea for the long term, since he was terribly busy. As far as I can tell right now, Chris is back to working with 2 employees and himself. Chris had a periode in time where he'd only do the custom frames and the proto's. He was working more on tooling and stuff, than the frames. Two welders @DeKerf did the framebuilding in that time. That's about the years the Generation model was made I believe.

    Nowadays Chris is fully invested with building frames himself again and that leeds me to think he kinda shrink in size of employers. Toxic Harold, former Brodie-painter, is one of his employees. His own way of work can clearly be seen on the custom paintjobs on the website nowadays.
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    Here's my work in progress. I actually bought the frame for my son (he's 12/tall/growing like a weed), with the intention of myself being able to ride it. It looks a bit goofy with the short stem, but that can be easily rectified when I ride it.
    I've drooled over DeKerf's for years, and when I found this frame in the basement of the shop I used to go to before I moved i couldn't control myself.
    I emailed Chris for some info on the rear shock maintenance, and about two weeks later he replied that he could mail the info to me because his computer's were pretty outdated. I still haven't recieved anything (it was about 3 months ago), but I'm not worried about it seeing how it'd only be about a 30min. drive for me to stop in at his shop. I think his time is better spent building these gorgeous frames than stuffing envelopes.

    Enough for now, I've got to go out to the garage and stare....

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    Here's my work in progress. I actually bought the frame for my son (he's 12/tall/growing like a weed), with the intention of myself being able to ride it. It looks a bit goofy with the short stem, but that can be easily rectified when I ride it.
    I've drooled over DeKerf's for years, and when I found this frame in the basement of the shop I used to go to before I moved i couldn't control myself.
    I emailed Chris for some info on the rear shock maintenance, and about two weeks later he replied that he could mail the info to me because his computer's were pretty outdated. I still haven't recieved anything (it was about 3 months ago), but I'm not worried about it seeing how it'd only be about a 30min. drive for me to stop in at his shop. I think his time is better spent building these gorgeous frames than stuffing envelopes.

    Enough for now, I've got to go out to the garage and stare....

    Cheers,

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    Beauteous! Take some close up shots if you can sometime Mike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH
    No idea what size you need, but....
    Price below will be in Cdn $

    From:
    DeKerf's listing of Dealers with older frames

    "Prodigy
    2000
    58cm
    Pearl White
    $1099
    Frame & fork. This is a beutiful road machine, sure to be the envy of your riding buddies."

    John Henry The Bicycle Man
    #100-400 Brooksbank Av. N. Vancover, BC
    604-986-5534
    http://www.johnhenrybikes.com/

    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?

    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...

    Also, anyone know the weight of the Prodigy and the Team SL?!

    Gracias.

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    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?

    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...

    Also, anyone know the weight of the Prodigy and the Team SL?!

    Gracias

    Looking through my '98 DeKerf catalogue, they have the weight of a Team SL at 1685grams. It's the full 853 frame (same as '00).
    A Generation frame weighs in at 1875grams.

    In '98, the Prodigy was also Reynolds 853 tubing, so I can't help on the weight of that one - I bet the Scandium one would be pretty feathery.

    If you're interested, the shop with the Team SL can be found at:
    www.rockycycle.com
    I was in that shop a few months ago, and they still had them hanging on the wall.

    Hope this helps.

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    Oh yeah, the Burgundy colour is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?

    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...

    Also, anyone know the weight of the Prodigy and the Team SL?!

    Gracias

    Looking through my '98 DeKerf catalogue, they have the weight of a Team SL at 1685grams. It's the full 853 frame (same as '00).
    A Generation frame weighs in at 1875grams.

    In '98, the Prodigy was also Reynolds 853 tubing, so I can't help on the weight of that one - I bet the Scandium one would be pretty feathery.

    If you're interested, the shop with the Team SL can be found at:
    www.rockycycle.com
    I was in that shop a few months ago, and they still had them hanging on the wall.

    Hope this helps.

    Mike E.
    Oh yeah, the Burgundy colour is awesome.

    Thanks a bunch Mike E. I wonder though, do you have any contact info for RockyCycle? An Email addy?
    Cuz their website is not working right now. Blank in Safari and nothing but html in IE. Gracias.

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    Try this email addy: rok@rockycycle.com
    Here's a phone number too: (604) 591-5333

    They're web-site is a bit on the sketchy side right now, I agree.

    Mike E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkekus
    I wonder, you think there might be any chance of seeing a picture of that frame./fork?
    Also, the shop one down the list with the Burgundy Team SL... man I would like to see that...
    Gracias.
    For the Prodigy road bike, you'll have to contact the store directly.

    Here is a photo of the Burgundy Team SL though.


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    Whoa! That thing is niiice!
    Wonder what that'll set me back.
    Wonder if they'll sell without that fork. Full rigid baby.

    Thanks for all the help!

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    Price listed in Cdn $.

    From:
    http://www.rockycycle.com/frame.htm

    "Model DeKerf Team SL
    Material 853 Reynolds, Cr-Mo
    Size 16"
    Color Red
    Seat Post 27.2mm
    Headset 1" 1/8
    Bottom Bracket 68/113
    Suspension RockShox Judy XC
    Feature Hand Built, King of cross country!, comes with fork! (WOW)
    Reg. $ 1,799 Sale. $ 1,499 "

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    That last link is of a good riding buddy of mine's (mac) Team SL. He's also an MTBR regular. I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in on this thread yet!

    Anyway. First off, Iíd like to say that this must be the coolest thread ever; completely dedicated to Dekerf? Awesome. What better way to have, owners fans and, I guess, if there are any, critics, come together and communicate! Well, being an owner/rider of a Dekerf also, I obviously had to get in on this thread so let me be the first to post photos of a Team ST

    Hereís my Dekerf Team ST (the full 853 model Ė no Ti chainstays)

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/dk1(1).jpg">

    I have since purchased new Sram X.O stuff to replace the old XTR bits, new Race Face rings, new XTR front Der and a new XTR cassette which Iíll be putting on after winter (donít want snow touching the new stuff yet). New forks (probably Fox RLT 80ís) will also be added in March. Iíve been riding this bike a while now and will be riding it a looooong time from now as well since I absolutely love this thing.
    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/dk1b.jpg">


    Hereís is also an old pic from roughly around the time when I first bought the bike and put it together. Itís a good shot of the seat stay for you.

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/dk1c.jpg">

    They are such works of art. The great thing is, they ride as nice as they look! Just a little shot of me at Mike Tís Micro Gathering a while back in October 2002. It was cold but as always a great ride.

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/ska.jpg">

    Ska!

    p.s. If anyone has ANY Magura related questions, contact Mike T. He's the man when it comes to that stuff.

    Also for DeDwarf: we communicated before (a long time ago via e-mail) and those two STís my buddy had in his shop are still there hanging from the ceiling if you want one for your collection. Theyíre even cheaper now. As mentioned before there is a custom pearl white one (AWESOME colour) and one in Dekerfís Kermit green. I keep forgetting to snap a picture of the Dekerf Team Ti heís riding but Iíll get that for you too eventually. Itís so sweet. If you want a price for one of the frames, let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ska!
    Anyway. First off, I’d like to say that this must be the coolest thread ever; completely dedicated to Dekerf? Awesome. What better way to have, owners fans and, I guess, if there are any, critics, come together and communicate! Well, being an owner/rider of a Dekerf also, I obviously had to get in on this thread so let me be the first to post photos of a Team ST
    I posted several times on the DK website's guestbook for us to gather on a forum or a own site or so. This is a good alternative for DK riders across the globe!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ska!
    Also for DeDwarf: we communicated before (a long time ago via e-mail) and those two ST’s my buddy had in his shop are still there hanging from the ceiling if you want one for your collection. They’re even cheaper now. As mentioned before there is a custom pearl white one (AWESOME colour) and one in Dekerf’s Kermit green. I keep forgetting to snap a picture of the Dekerf Team Ti he’s riding but I’ll get that for you too eventually. It’s so sweet. If you want a price for one of the frames, let me know.
    DeDwarf was my previous nickname.. changed it to my reall name

    The ST's are great, and ofcourse I would want to have one. But the fact is.. Im 22, just working for 2yrs, already have a fairly expanded stable of bikes... and I can not own all DK's around. Plus I need my cash too for a house/car/living etc. So I should keep it down to these '4 DeKerfs' right now

    Anyway, please continue posting in this topic. This should be one of the finest collection of Canadian made rigs from Chris...

    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeroen
    The ST's are great, and ofcourse I would want to have one. But the fact is.. Im 22, just working for 2yrs, already have a fairly expanded stable of bikes... and I can not own all DK's around. Plus I need my cash too for a house/car/living etc. So I should keep it down to these '4 DeKerfs' right now
    I hear you on the money thing dude. Iím in the same boat only Iíve got 8 years on you and Iím still in school! If you ever change your mind about the rides, theyíll be there waiting.

    Iíll do my best to get a photo of his Ti DK. I think itíd be a sweet addition to the collection that is slowly building here on the site.

    Later,
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    a couple of pics...

    of a Team SL (mine) and a Team ST (Ska!)
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    try...

    again...
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Pretty nice...

    lacing pattern if I do say so myself

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    First timer here, an internet buddy told me to check out the vintage stuff and I ended up here also.

    21 inch 1998 Dekerf Team SL
    1997 Marzochi BAM 2
    Syncros Crank, stem and BB
    Thomson Seat Post
    CK headset
    Old mavic MTB front hub, XT rear
    Ringle Twisters
    XT/XTR bits and pieces

    Since people mentioned gatorblades, my other bike is a 1988 Brodie Climbmax, with a gatorblade fork, grafton brakes, Cook Bros Ti BB, and other old parts. I'll post an image when I get a chance.
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    The ugly duckling

    Well it turns out it was a frog anyways.

    This is my convert singlespeed, freeride (sort of) Implant.

    Unfortunately I don't have a photo of my far more breathtaking Team SL in Burgundy. Maybe I will rectify that so I can post it as well.
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    Well, it was a good try.

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    Stopped by their shop on Friday and talked to Chris. Nice guy! I don't think I'd ever met him before.

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    CraigH... Were there any employees there too...???

    Yummy....


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    Wheelbase??

    Quote Originally Posted by donk
    First timer here, an internet buddy told me to check out the vintage stuff and I ended up here also.

    21 inch 1998 Dekerf Team SL
    1997 Marzochi BAM 2
    Syncros Crank, stem and BB
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    CK headset
    Old mavic MTB front hub, XT rear
    Ringle Twisters
    XT/XTR bits and pieces

    Since people mentioned gatorblades, my other bike is a 1988 Brodie Climbmax, with a gatorblade fork, grafton brakes, Cook Bros Ti BB, and other old parts. I'll post an image when I get a chance.


    What is the wheelbase on the 21" SL measure? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeroen
    CraigH... Were there any employees there too...???
    Another guy wearing a DeKerf Carhart (sp?) jacket walked into the shop while I was dealing with Chris. I had the impression that he worked there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    What is the wheelbase on the 21" SL measure? Thanks

    Sorry, I can't get the measurement to you for a few weeks. The bike is boxed at my old house, waiting to be shipped to me with the rest of my possessions. Joys of moving.

    As soon as I get it back I'll measure it for you.

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    How can you tell a Generation from a Team SL?

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
    The easiest way to tell the two apart is that theTeam SL's have a fillet brazed seat tube/top tube junction/lug, while generations are tig'd.

    Other things to look for:

    SL's are 853 and Generations are 525(pretty sure)

    The colour options where different too. Fewer choices for the generation.

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    So, no lug on the Generation?

    Quote Originally Posted by donk
    The easiest way to tell the two apart is that theTeam SL's have a fillet brazed seat tube/top tube junction/lug, while generations are tig'd.

    Other things to look for:

    SL's are 853 and Generations are 525(pretty sure)

    The colour options where different too. Fewer choices for the generation.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donk
    The easiest way to tell the two apart is that theTeam SL's have a fillet brazed seat tube/top tube junction/lug, while generations are tig'd.

    Other things to look for:

    SL's are 853 and Generations are 525(pretty sure)

    The colour options where different too. Fewer choices for the generation.
    The first generation Generation's (...) were made from Ritchey Logic and Tange Prestige tubing (1996). In 1997 they were made from Reynolds 725. In 1999 they switched to a similiar tubeset as the airhardening 853 on the SL, the Reynolds 631 (budgetwiser version of the 853).

    I have a 1996 Generation, made from Tange/Ritchey tubing. My SL is made from 853, my '95 Full Suspension also from Tange/Ritchey and my '94 Mountain/Team from a Tange/Ritchey mixture as well.
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    New question here. Sizing on a Genration (2000)

    Hi there

    I am into bying my first DeKerf. I got this very good offer on a 16" Generation. But I am 178cm high, so it seems a bit too small. I have ridden a 17,5" team SL with a short 9cm stem some years ago. What about running a 11cm stem on the 16" Generation. Do you think this might make enough room in the cockpit?

    Or shall I pronounce the question otherwise: anybody who knows what the top tube difference between a 16" and 17,5"?


    Thanks!

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    Seatpost size for a Team SL ??

    Have a frame on the way and need a post for it. Any help would be appreciated.

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    ... and if we just ... 16" and 17.5" tt generation

    Hi, I'm a proud owner of a 2000 dekerf generation..the tt for 16" is 21.5" and 17.5" is 22.25. I'm 5'5, almost 5'6" w/ a 30" inseam and the 16" is perfect. May be a tad small for you. I believe the following year, the 16" tt went up to 22"ish...maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Good luck, it's a beautiful bike a true keeper. -

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    Hi...the seatpost diameter on DeKerf is 27.2mm or at least that's what it is on my 97 Team WCS. I'm pretty sure that Chris stuck with this diamter for all his later frames.

    Here's the bike:


    It's nice to see so any fans of DeKerfs. I've been riding mine since Fall of 97, and I'm continually amazed at how this bike thrives on being pushed to the limits. It lives on short technical climbs and descents, and always pushes you to 'take the harder line'. Gets lots of attention on the trail too...

    The only thing that sucks (literally) about the bike is chainsuck...the plate never worked well for me (got jammed more than a few times so I removed it), but with a little caution while dropping into the granny it's otherwise a perfect singletrack bike.

    Mine is a Team WCS...the last year they were made, with the Ritchey tubing and see through stays, and completely different dropouts from the later Reynolds 853 models (note the rack attachments).





    This year I'm switching to a FS rig (Rocky ETSX70)...and I'm a little sad about not using the DeKerf as my main ride. I am going to keep it forever though. That frame exemplifies 'craftsmanship' to me.

    Cheers,

    Kris

    PS: I saw a 96 suspension that had 'toonies' in the end caps for the periced seat tube. Nice touch!

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    My frame, DEK522, is the same vintage, also ritchey tubing... it had the polished gusset too but I lost that last re-paint.

    For a few years now I've been switching back and forth between a FS bike and the dekerf. I love to try new things, like bigger drops or stunts, on my dually and then come back and hit it with my dekerf. I've found the dekerf can do everything the bigger bike does, and cleaning it on the dekerf is really confidence inspiring. ANd, the dekerf has outlasted a few heavier FS frames.

    Someday I would really love to own an implant.... who knows!

    Oh yeah, on the chainsuck thing: Mine works great. Make sure you have the correct plate. If you have the plate for 24/34/46, and you're running 22/32/44, that might be the problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by drfrankencopter
    Hi...the seatpost diameter on DeKerf is 27.2mm or at least that's what it is on my 97 Team WCS. I'm pretty sure that Chris stuck with this diamter for all his later frames.The only thing that sucks (literally) about the bike is chainsuck...the plate never worked well for me (got jammed more than a few times so I removed it), but with a little caution while dropping into the granny it's otherwise a perfect singletrack bike.
    Mine is a Team WCS...the last year they were made, with the Ritchey tubing and see through stays, and completely different dropouts from the later Reynolds 853 models (note the rack attachments). This year I'm switching to a FS rig (Rocky ETSX70)...and I'm a little sad about not using the DeKerf as my main ride. I am going to keep it forever though. That frame exemplifies 'craftsmanship' to me.

    Cheers,

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    PS: I saw a 96 suspension that had 'toonies' in the end caps for the periced seat tube. Nice touch!

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    New question here. Did Dekerf ever.....

    use a 1" headtube on any of his mtb's?

    Thanks.

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    Email him and ask. He has been great about answer my emails and I don't even own one of his frames yet.

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    Dekerf Team FS

    Howdy.. just checking in on the Dekerf Thread.. heres a really bad picture of my baby.. a 2001 Dekerf Team FS.. there is only a handful of them made..

    http://gallery.consumerreview.com/we...s/P6030028.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    use a 1" headtube on any of his mtb's?

    Thanks.
    All his mtb frames were equipped with 1 1/8" headsets.. or it should be a one-off.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Weasel
    Howdy.. just checking in on the Dekerf Thread.. heres a really bad picture of my baby.. a 2001 Dekerf Team FS.. there is only a handful of them made..

    http://gallery.consumerreview.com/we...s/P6030028.jpg

    Hey DirtWease!!! High five old buddy...!
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    Whats goin on Jeroen

    turn on MSN sometime... if you still use your old hotmail address.. damn.. i havnt talked to you in a few years im guessing...

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    Help with identification!!

    I just purchased what I thought was a Team SL through ebay. Serial number DEK2223. Ritchey dropouts and a big Tom Ritchey logo stamped on the bottom of the BB shell. Also has the brazed seatpost cluster. Any ideas?? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    I just purchased what I thought was a Team SL through ebay. Serial number DEK2223. Ritchey dropouts and a big Tom Ritchey logo stamped on the bottom of the BB shell. Also has the brazed seatpost cluster. Any ideas?? Thanks!
    A DeKerf has a modell name on its top tube...

    Next to that; both the Team (SL) and Generation had/have a Ritchey BB shell and dropouts.

    The brazed seatcluster is the distinctive part that makes it a Team (SL). Seeing the framenumber I'm sure it's a Team SL from '00. Mine is #DEK 2240 and was made in December '00 as one of the (dare I say even thť) last SL's to be made, before it turned into the Team853.

    Enjoy your new purchace
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    Does anyone here remember the limited edition Dekerf steel hardtail with the fancy bits? I think it was called the TeamLTD or something like that. Any info or pics would be cool - post em if you got em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander
    Does anyone here remember the limited edition Dekerf steel hardtail with the fancy bits? I think it was called the TeamLTD or something like that. Any info or pics would be cool - post em if you got em.
    I know that the Team Limited had goldleaf on its dropouts and gusset. I know that at least one made it to Europe, the Netherlands for sure. It was owned by the former dutch DK distributor, who I know quite well. Still haven't seen pictures of the rig, I will see if I can dig up some via him.... but chances are little.

    Chris still made/makes a LTD version to this day; a UK Limited edition. Fully made out of Reynolds 725, disc specific and equipped with extra bosses for a fender under the downtube.

    This is all I can dig up on pictures of the UK LTD:





    There's a 19,5" version (pictured above) for sale via the UK dealer www.cyclesdauphin.co.uk.
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    Here are a few more pics for you. I stopped by my buddyís shop to pick up the last of the upgrades to my DK (for now) and took a couple of shots of some ST frames that have been just sitting there in the back corner of his shop for years.
    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/sts(3).jpg">

    The first is the Team ST in Kermit green.
    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/kermit(2).jpg">

    The second is an AWESOME custom pearl-white job. This one was ordered and custom painted by Dekerf for someone in town here and they backed out at the last second. Too bad. Now this gorgeous frame just collects dust as itís never been sold. Total shame. It screams to be ridden.
    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/pearl(1).jpg">

    The third frame is my buddy Johnís (shop owner) Elysium that he just had shipped back to him from Chris. John rode it last season then sent it back to have a disk tab welded on. The boys at DK did a beautiful job. The welds are the typically perfect ones you find on ti frames. They then rebrushed it and put brand new decals on after the work was done. It looks completely new. God is this thing nice (and light). Ti is good lookin' stuff, man. Itíll be built up very shortly (again) I can assure you ;-)

    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/ti1(3).jpg">
    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/ti2(1).jpg">

    The next time John and I ride together Iíll be sure to take some better picks of the Elysium for those interested. I didnít have much time today to take good shots of anything.

    Anyway,
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    those are some very nice DK's indeed... dang...

    Some good detailed pictures of the Elysium's details are very welcome. Like close ups of the welds and the wishbone. Could you take a picture seen from the seatstays towards the wishbone, to see how the tubes interloc...??
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    Does anyone know where I can find a ...

    relatively recent 21" Dekerf hardtail frame. I am hoping I can find one for a decent price.
    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

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    Keep an eye on Ebay...

    just found a 2000 Team SL for $325. Good Luck.

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    Fresh winds blowing in Vancouver!!

    Been out on a ride with the former DK Distributor for this region of Europe (The Netherlands etc.). This guy is out of the bizz for some years, but has manged to sell 22 DK's here in this region in the periode '95-'98. Riding Brodie's and had two DK's too...

    Now it was time to get a new DK. Something very special..something unique, wŪth rigid fork. Chris could meet his demands and the following is the outcome!

    Chris made a Team 853, with fillet brazed finish. The rigid fork in this bike, is a riding prototype. The signature pierced tubes that are a trademark to his frames, where original planed to be a fork crown, in the periode Chris worked for Rocky Mtn. The idea never turned out and Chris shelved the idea, using it later on the frames he build when he ventured on his own.

    Now Chris has regrapped the idea and made this stunning specimen. The fork is made out of straight gauge (non butted) CrMo and is partly TIG welded/solderd. The forklegs are left open, yet the under side is closed. Only two tiny holes prevent water and smuck building up inside.

    Have seen the bike up close today, and it truly is a sweet thing. Pictures take out details, but the paint has a very fine metallic particle and is very deep, gorgeous! The honor is all mine to show to you the first pictures available of this fork; sit back and enjoy! Afterwards; go out for a ride... bikes like these make you begging for trails!!!















    Super smooth fillet brazed :love:





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    i just fell in love
    so sweet

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    Just thought Iíd update my Dekerf photo. Iíve thrown on all the bits and pieces I purchased over the winter and my ride functions even better than before! Itís great. I thought XTR stuff was great but if any of you twist-shift fanatics out there are wondering about X.0 stuff, I say go for it. Wow! Is it ever amazing shifting.

    Anyway, hereís my ride now with the upgrades (new Race Face rings, XTR front der., X.0 shifters/rear der., XTR cassette, Thompson Elite stem/seat post) I put on. I also (temporarily) put on a set of White Brothers forks that I got for less than I paid for the stem, if you can believe that. They are pretty well NOS as they have seen VERY little use before. Theyíll go nicely on the backup bike after I get my Foxís put on this one later in the season. As you can see from the mud on the bike Iíve been riding it recently and it performs beautifully.

    Dekerfs rule.

    p.s. Jeroen, that blue ride is AWESOME dude.

    Hereís my upgraded ST
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    Wow, these are super bikes!!!! Here's my new ride...

    Hi all,

    All these beautiful pictures just emphasize the fact that each Dekerf is unique... Each and everyone is a pure piece of art!!!

    I have been wanting to get one for many years, and up until very recently, could not convince myself that the cost was worth it... I finaly broke the bank this winter and ordered a Team 853 frame, with disc only setup, in Bird Bird Yellow!!! It took all winter to gather the various parts, then build it. It finaly it the muddy and rocky single track trails this past weekend, and WOW! The ride is a revelation!!!! Plus it just looks stunning!!!

    Here are a few pictures taken in my appartment the day I finished building it (Thanks for the help Charlie) - It did not have the pedals then - put on some Egg Beater SS...

    Cheers!

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    Hey! Very nice indeed. Welcome to the family!

    Enjoy that ride; it looks sweet.
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    Only 20 were made of that design. If it had 700c wheels, I would have dug into my wallet to get one.
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    Jens has created a special DeKerf Photogallery on the german website www.mtb-news.de

    Here a link; http://www.mtb-news.de/fotos/showgal...3982&password=

    Please feel free to contact Jens or me to get your photo's posted in that gallery too! Please send them, share your passion

    Jeroen; cruelcycles@hotmail.com
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    Wow, that is a lot of DeKerf photos! I wonder if Chris keeps an eye on this thread?

    I emailed him a link to it after I stopped in at his shop a couple of months ago.

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    Apparrently the links in my post above fail to work. I've been moving those pictures around in that gallery. Here are the new url's so the pic's should be visible again.















    Super smooth fillet brazed :love:

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    Team ST's for sale?

    I'm interested in the Team ST's frames you mentioned that your friend had for sale. I have one and my brother as been bugging me to find one for him. If you could let me know where they're available, I would be very grateful. Can Email me mszombathy@hotmail.com

    Thanks

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    Implant?

    What about an implant? I have a team now but would much rather have an implant so I could run a 5" fork. A used one or other good deal would be perfect, don't quite have the $ right now for a new custom frame. Looking for a 17" or so.

    If anybody's got a line, please let me know.....

    Thanks!

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    There have been some used Implants listed on NSMB in the past. You could try searching there to see if they are still for sale.

    (Search words "DeKerf" & "Implant")

    Also might be worth checking Pinkbike.

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    Nothing's been posted in a while so her'e my Dekerf

    My Team ST. It's always a tough call whether to ride the Dekerf or my Turner Burner. To be fair I try to keep it 50/50.
    Let's see some new Dekerf posts!
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    does any body knows which shop is having the 2 team st frames

    does any body knows which shop is having the 2 team st frames
    because i am realy interested in ad least one of them plaese could somebody help me
    because i am searching for one along time by now
    i hope some body could help me



    thanks alot ricardo

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    Implant!

    Well, thanks to everbody here, especially Mike- he suggested a shop that did have a used implant for sale. After finding that it was my size, AND my favorite color, I had it shipped asap. Great timing since the romic on my FS blew it's guts that same week!

    The build:
    17" Dekerf Implant, rootbeer brown.
    XT, disc brakes with 8" wavy front rotor (not pictured)
    Mavic rims with geax sturdy 2.25 UST tires.
    King headset
    Thomsen post & 70mm stem, 26" monkeylite riser bars
    Race Face turbine cranks, 22/32, 12-34 cassette.

    I'm really impressed with the bike! I tried it with my Z150, but it was too slack, the front end wandered even on flat trails. The Z1 is perfect. With short chainstays and stem, but longer top tube and head tube, this bike has really unique geometry compared to my old 17" dekerf team frame. A much better position and fit for agressive trail riding and FR use. VERY easy to wheelie drop and manual. Stable at high speeds. Clearance for big tires.

    After a few local rides, I took it up to whistler... a quick run in the bike park, then we used the new garbonzo lift plus 1500' of mostly hike-a-bike, to access Kyhber ridge. This makes for a 5000' descent that includes "babylon by bike" and "tunnel vision" trails. Steep, technical singletrack with some drops, a few elevated parts, and slabs, including a stretch where you must rapel down with ropes. The implant was more than up to the task and after that ride I have no reservations taking this bike out on any trails. Since then it's seen some challenging trails. I never would have guessed a hardtail could be so confidence inspiring.

    Thanks again for everybody's help!
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    BB shell !width for a '98 Team SL

    Time for a new BB. Anyone have this info handy? Thanks in advance!

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    sorry for the delay

    Quote Originally Posted by smctigue1@mac.com
    What is the wheelbase on the 21" SL measure? Thanks
    I thought I had answered this and was paging through and realized I had not.

    The whellbase, measured centre of QR to centre of QR = +/-110.5 cm.

    Once again sorry.

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    New Dekerf SS

    Behold....

    My new EBB DeKerf Team 853 singlespeed frame... forged by the god of steel Chris DeKerf
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    Dig that color... really nice.

    Say; is that a brand new frame, or a geared frame that Chris altered with the EBB shell..??? (costs..?)
    No, I am not retro.... I am way ahead of my time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeroen
    Dig that color... really nice.

    Say; is that a brand new frame, or a geared frame that Chris altered with the EBB shell..??? (costs..?)
    It's an EBB mod to the existing Team 853; a semi-custom option that Chris offers, but doesn't advertise. Best to call him for pricing; the EBB is a few hundred dollars upcharge I think.
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    paint...

    I have an older (~ 91 or 92) Brodie and am thinking about getting it repainted. Do you know who paints Dekerf's frames, and what they charge? Any other recommendations?

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    Chris DeKerf paints his own frames, as well as frames for others.

    He has quite the paint shop set up actually. No idea what he charges though, check his site?

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    Yup - lot's of paint info on his site - thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikehysteria
    I have an older (~ 91 or 92) Brodie and am thinking about getting it repainted. Do you know who paints Dekerf's frames, and what they charge? Any other recommendations?

    As a matter of fact; Brodie's old painter 'Toxic Harold', now paints for Chris DeKerf. Look at some of the more excentric paintjobs we've seen the last few years. They all have the same look/detailing as those Brodie's with maple leaves etc.

    Don't know what a paintjob costs at this time, but Chris/Harold for sure can help you out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikehysteria
    I have an older (~ 91 or 92) Brodie and am thinking about getting it repainted.
    Toxic Harold , formerly of Brodie and now DeKerf, is the way to go. You can see examples of his work in this thread. The four Brodies I posted were all painted by him.

    Please post before and after images of yours if you can.
    Show me your Toads. Old Brodies, too.

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    Dekerf ST frames

    What are the frame sizes of the 2 ST's. Very interested please email me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ska!
    Here are a few more pics for you. I stopped by my buddyís shop to pick up the last of the upgrades to my DK (for now) and took a couple of shots of some ST frames that have been just sitting there in the back corner of his shop for years.
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    The first is the Team ST in Kermit green.
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    The second is an AWESOME custom pearl-white job. This one was ordered and custom painted by Dekerf for someone in town here and they backed out at the last second. Too bad. Now this gorgeous frame just collects dust as itís never been sold. Total shame. It screams to be ridden.
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    The third frame is my buddy Johnís (shop owner) Elysium that he just had shipped back to him from Chris. John rode it last season then sent it back to have a disk tab welded on. The boys at DK did a beautiful job. The welds are the typically perfect ones you find on ti frames. They then rebrushed it and put brand new decals on after the work was done. It looks completely new. God is this thing nice (and light). Ti is good lookin' stuff, man. Itíll be built up very shortly (again) I can assure you ;-)

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    <img src="http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/ti2(1).jpg">

    The next time John and I ride together Iíll be sure to take some better picks of the Elysium for those interested. I didnít have much time today to take good shots of anything.

    Anyway,
    Later.

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    Cow bike.

    Woo hoo, the cow is ready to ride.
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    Nice Bike- I love the paint. reminds me of my cat.

    You have an implant too right? Still have that? Did you have the green SS one?

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    I found you.

    Our DerKerf thread. How nice. May I ? Taken June of 02. Peace.


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    The Pearl White

    on the Printer is Exactly like mine? Only it's not a Implant. Trippy.


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    Dekerfs in the UK

    Between my flatmate and I we have a pair of Dekerfs. Both bought second hand, so I'm trying to find out a bit more about them. The first is a dark green 96(?) Dekerf Team with its serial number still in double digits, I seem to remember. Oddly the cable routing is all down the right hand side of the top tube. Not sure if this is normal.

    Mine is a 98(?) Team SL, I was told. I was red previously, I believe, but was re-painted silver when the disc mounts and crudcatcher bosses were added. It is currently badged as a Team 853 but I think the serial number is too low for this. It doesn't seem to be a UK Ltd, which it most closely resembles. All the cable routing on this one is down the left hand side. It'd be nice to find out more about it but all e-mails and phone calls to Dekerf have remained unanswered.

    As soon as I have more details and some pictures, I'll post them.

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    Hi,

    I figured I'd reactivate this thread with a picture of my Dekerf (niknamed Big Birg) at the top of Mount Aigual, during a 780 Km trek accros the trails and forest roads of France's Central Mountains last summer.

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    Upset Cool thread!

    I've been a Dekerf fan for a long time, having had a Team ST (w/ broken ti chainstays!), and now a Team SL and an Elysium. Nice to see there's more of us!


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