RadsRider said:
Dirtvert, you're a complete moron and don't know what you're talking about. I think you're just pissy cuz you got picked on in high school. I've been riding with the RADS for 15 years and we haven't done a night ride since before Y2K. Not to mention that a great majority of local trails were built by the RADS years ago and the county adopted them into their system under different names. Even Adam and his cronies have claimed to 'build' trails in the Irvine Ranch property when those were 27 year old RADS trails. Who do you think built the Stagecoach trail from the ranger station? 2 RADS, that's who... and the rangers asked them to make it. Telonics, Car Wreck, Rockit, Lynx, Stairsteps, Cholla, T&A, BVD, LIzard, Pacman... all RADS-built trails and the list goes on.
Hi RadsRider,
Not sure if we ever met, but I'm pretty much a bug about being factual.
We don't claim to have built those trails, and people who attend the rides out there can attest that we pretty much state how they came to be. We even let people know the original names of the trails (at least as we understood them to be prior to the new names in the RMP).
Talk to Joe or some of the other Rads members I have communicated with in the past, and they will confirm that we acknowledge the history of those trails.
Even in the RMP we listed them as "Existing Trails" which was how we were able to get them adopted into the system.
You can track my posts back to 2007 regarding these trails: From March 2007
I don't take credit for the trails themselves since most of them were built by the Rads, but I do take partial credit for working through the system and getting the number of single track doubled from the original plan.
Again....we did not build them from scratch and have never claimed as such.
We surveyed them, had them reviewed biologically, had them listed as "existing unauthorized trails", worked to get them legally adopted, and did some minor alignment adjustments to tie them in to the existing configuration with the closure of the canyon ranch road (including the bridges). We also closed a couple of duplicate lines that existed on the trails.
We were able to get five out of six trails adopted, and only had to close one trail. However it was definitely a chore to get them adopted.
Originally the only thing on the RMP near those trails was Serrano Ridge, the canyon fire road, Fox Run and Rabbit Run (which were both scheduled to be hiking only trails). On the other side of the area, East Fork and West Fork were the only trails shown.
After our first survey of the area, and being tasked with the goal of developing a diverse trail system for the City of Irvine Open Space Preserve South; we thought it would be a better system to have more single track (multi-use), So we made the modified recommendation to the agencies to eliminate the canyon fire road and add Cattle Crest, Shady Oaks single Track, and Ridge Route as additions to the already listed Fox Run and Rabbit Run. And to have them designated as multi-use.
We also listed two new trails in the Bommer area (which we flagged this past week).
So the final result of our meetings with the agencies was the trail system you see today. Legally adopted.
That's the key word....legally adopted.
My point being....if you are going to post, just post factually.
As far as building new unauthorized trails....this is a bad concept and since the inclusion of these areas into the NCCP, these can have far reaching negative impacts for access locally. The days of building new trails without permission, then having them adopted are long gone.
Stagecoach South also was definitely a Rads built trail. The only difference being, that this one was built with permission as part of the park plan.
Working through the system may be slow, but it is the only way to get things done that will last.
It's true that most of the single track trails in those areas are adopted Rads trails; but where we split differences is that I have come to accept that the areas have been signed and listed into a protection document, and the trails that are to be adopted have been listed on the various GDP's and RMP's. And that the continued use of the trails that have been listed for closures; and the building of new trails; will only continue to hurt our sport.
The NCCP and the Resource Management Plans are realities that we have to deal with locally.
Anyway, everyone knows how to get ahold of me; so catch me for a ride some day and I can let you know what some of the final plans are for the various areas.
You obviously know me. Next time you see me on the trails, do me a courtesy......and just come out of anonymity, say hi and introduce yourself. I don't bite!
Thanks!
Adam