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    Quote Originally Posted by The BrownMike View Post
    Email response from Chris:
    They have written us a letter (attached) which pertains specifically to Mission Trails Regional Park but this sentence pertains to Del Mar Mesa as well:
    The unauthorized construction and use of trails should be immediately addressed and effectively controlled prior to moving forward with plans to redesign or construct new trails in MTRP.

    Thanks, Chris
    lets see the letter.

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    "Effectively controlled" sounds like a reference contingent to the badged thugs being successful in suppressing the tax-paying citizenry.
    I kinda figured it would come to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocd View Post
    lets see the letter.
    It was a PDF so I just took screenshots...

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    I bet they will be happy to accept help to 'repair' (i.e. eradicate) the trails out there. I just hope the SDMBA/IMBA does not step up and volunteer to pitch in.

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    I love fireroads.

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    So basically they are saying that the city must stamp out all illegal trail use in both areas before a trails plan that will eliminate any "redundant" trails. I assume the redundant trails will be all singletrack. So why the **** would I want to stop riding those areas knowing that they never intend to allow the legal use of those "redundant" trails? After reading about the pending actions in MTRP I decided to ride there today. Seriously, that is some of the best singletrack in San Diego. It seems to me this city is determined to eat itself. The economic impact of attacking the mountain bike community here will be severely detrimental. I for one am totally fed up and I have decided to leave, I will be relocating to another state that has embraced mountain biking and the money it brings to small communities.
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    Where exactly is Del Mar Mesa? I've got plans to visit SD County.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    So basically they are saying that the city must stamp out all illegal trail use in both areas before a trails plan that will eliminate any "redundant" trails. I assume the redundant trails will be all singletrack. So why the **** would I want to stop riding those areas knowing that they never intend to allow the legal use of those "redundant" trails? After reading about the pending actions in MTRP I decided to ride there today. Seriously, that is some of the best singletrack in San Diego. It seems to me this city is determined to eat itself. The economic impact of attacking the mountain bike community here will be severely detrimental. I for one am totally fed up and I have decided to leave, I will be relocating to another state that has embraced mountain biking and the money it brings to small communities.
    I moved from SD to North Carolina a little over a year ago, and have never looked back. Good riding and a great trail advocay group, good people, great craft brew scene, lower cost of living, the list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The BrownMike View Post
    It was a PDF so I just took screenshots...

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    Seems they're confused between park and preserve. In the end though, if adequate trails would have existed, none of this would have ever taken place. Can't say people haven't been told over and over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    I moved from SD to North Carolina a little over a year ago, and have never looked back. Good riding and a great trail advocay group, good people, great craft brew scene, lower cost of living, the list goes on.
    I am moving to Charlotte. Can't wait. I will miss being able to ride year round but I guess I will just invest in cold weather riding gear and rain gear. San Diego has some great riding but it sucks having to drive so far to get to the good stuff. Trails are becoming overcrowded. I remember when they delayed the DMM trails plan in 2009. I expected it would take about 1 year for them to come to an agreement and either approve or disapprove. It is now close to the end of 2013 and they have done nothing. Now they say the illegal use must be dealt with BEFORE they will consider any proposals. Maybe I am just ignorant but it sounds like the revamped DFG or whatever they call themselves these days just wants the park rangers to do the dirty work. Either way we as taxpayers get to pay them to keep us OFF the trails and for what? To preserve the pristine, former bombing ranges and migrant dumping grounds? We have done more to preserve DMM than anyone by keeping the riff raff out and cleaning up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    I am moving to Charlotte. Can't wait. I will miss being able to ride year round but I guess I will just invest in cold weather riding gear and rain gear. San Diego has some great riding but it sucks having to drive so far to get to the good stuff. Trails are becoming overcrowded. I remember when they delayed the DMM trails plan in 2009. I expected it would take about 1 year for them to come to an agreement and either approve or disapprove. It is now close to the end of 2013 and they have done nothing. Now they say the illegal use must be dealt with BEFORE they will consider any proposals. Maybe I am just ignorant but it sounds like the revamped DFG or whatever they call themselves these days just wants the park rangers to do the dirty work. Either way we as taxpayers get to pay them to keep us OFF the trails and for what? To preserve the pristine, former bombing ranges and migrant dumping grounds? We have done more to preserve DMM than anyone by keeping the riff raff out and cleaning up.
    You will be surprised, as I was. Yeah, you will need some jacket's and a base layer, but it is not bad. The riding here is year round. You will have some trails not to far a way, not to mention all the goodness in Pisgah. Oh, throw your so cal tires a way. They do not work out here on the roots and rocks when it is damp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    So basically they are saying that the city must stamp out all illegal trail use in both areas before a trails plan that will eliminate any "redundant" trails. I assume the redundant trails will be all singletrack. So why the **** would I want to stop riding those areas knowing that they never intend to allow the legal use of those "redundant" trails? After reading about the pending actions in MTRP I decided to ride there today. Seriously, that is some of the best singletrack in San Diego. It seems to me this city is determined to eat itself. The economic impact of attacking the mountain bike community here will be severely detrimental. I for one am totally fed up and I have decided to leave, I will be relocating to another state that has embraced mountain biking and the money it brings to small communities.

    I certainly can't fault you for leaving: it seems like the bicycle-haters have succeeded. Now they have badged, gun-toting, taser-bearing "Wildlife Officers" to "protect the habitat" from the scourge of singletrack trails. Look for them soon in a local open space park near you. They're comin', and they mean 'bidness!

    If I could figure out a way/ place to get out of San Diego to, I would. This county, and the entire state have been far too crowded for the last 20 years or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    I certainly can't fault you for leaving: it seems like the bicycle-haters have succeeded. Now they have badged, gun-toting, taser-bearing "Wildlife Officers" to "protect the habitat" from the scourge of singletrack trails. Look for them soon in a local open space park near you. They're comin', and they mean 'bidness!

    If I could figure out a way/ place to get out of San Diego to, I would. This county, and the entire state have been far too crowded for the last 20 years or so.
    I think the bike haters successes will be short lived. Like in Marin where they effectively stamped out bikes on 98% of all singletrack but now the bikers have organized and trails are being built and opened up because of severe backlash against the anti-bike groups. My decision to leave is based mainly on the fact that my company allows me to do my job from anywhere. Moving to Charlotte will be like getting a $20,000 dollar a year raise. Housing alone will be 50% less.
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    When life gives you lemons...

    ...build up a CX/gravel-grinder and ride the shit out of the fire roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Moving to Charlotte will be like getting a $20,000 dollar a year raise. Housing alone will be 50% less.
    I see the pros but you must also include the cons or in this case, the con, which is a big one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    When life gives you lemons...

    ...build up a CX/gravel-grinder and ride the shit out of the fire roads.
    this has been my thought exactly.

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    Come on, come all. LPCP CAC meeting Thursday, 7:00 pm at the Canyonside Park Adobe. While we are two years too late, come see history made with board elections. Voice your opinions overr the DFG clampdown. The park rangers will be there. Be respectful but let them hear the voice of the community. They monitor these boards and know the displeasure. Show up and make an impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy View Post
    Come on, come all. LPCP CAC meeting Thursday, 7:00 pm at the Canyonside Park Adobe. While we are two years too late, come see history made with board elections. Voice your opinions overr the DFG clampdown. The park rangers will be there. Be respectful but let them hear the voice of the community. They monitor these boards and know the displeasure. Show up and make an impression.
    BB- How come this issue isn't on the agenda?
    Also, will a SDBMA member be present to bring up the topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    When life gives you lemons...

    ...build up a CX/gravel-grinder and ride the shit out of the fire roads.
    Actually, if EMFC see this, he will be kicking down doors to get orders back to san Diego and get on some of that gravel!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    BB- How come this issue isn't on the agenda?
    Also, will a SDBMA member be present to bring up the topic?
    I can answer those questions, as I am the person who sets that Agenda:

    --because there hasn't been any request by any of: an agency, the CAC members, the public ...for such an item.

    --yes, the SDMBA and Multiuse Trails Coalition are usually in attendance. The SDMBA rep is out of town, and so they're sending an alternate who happens to have great familiarity with the topics discussed within this forum thread.

    Clarification: as CAC Chair, I have requested City Staff to present their status of the "Del Mar Mesa Habitat Study" that's being used to stall the implementation of the 2011 trails plan, for over a year, repeatedly. City staff refuse to present or report to the public at the CAC meeting. That refusal takes the form of "not ready until next month" (over and over) or "can't be there that night" or other disingenuous bureaucratese that's designed to ensure the public has no opportunity to comment or observe the ongoing process. So, with that in mind, it's been "on the agenda" but doesn't happen to be this month.

    If you have something you'd like to convince the CAC members to discuss and consider as a body, please show up and be persuasive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil View Post
    I can answer those questions, as I am the person who sets that Agenda:

    --because there hasn't been any request by any of: an agency, the CAC members, the public ...for such an item.

    --yes, the SDMBA and Multiuse Trails Coalition are usually in attendance. The SDMBA rep is out of town, and so they're sending an alternate who happens to have great familiarity with the topics discussed within this forum thread.

    Clarification: as CAC Chair, I have requested City Staff to present their status of the "Del Mar Mesa Habitat Study" that's being used to stall the implementation of the 2011 trails plan, for over a year, repeatedly. City staff refuse to present or report to the public at the CAC meeting. That refusal takes the form of "not ready until next month" (over and over) or "can't be there that night" or other disingenuous bureaucratese that's designed to ensure the public has no opportunity to comment or observe the ongoing process. So, with that in mind, it's been "on the agenda" but doesn't happen to be this month.

    If you have something you'd like to convince the CAC members to discuss and consider as a body, please show up and be persuasive.

    In case any of you don't know, EBasil above, has put more blood, sweat, and tears into fighting the bicycle-haters in the LPQ/DMM area over the last 15 years than any two others I can think of, and I can think of quite a few. Almost singlehandedly, he was responsible for the re-opening of Cobbles and the North side trail in LPQ years ago. (Yes! it WAS illegal to ride a bicycle on ANY trail north of the creek for many years! Thanks, Eric!)
    Considering his professional credentials, the fact that even as CAC Chair, he can't get any action accomplished, should speak volumes about the crony-ist, elitist groups that want to have things THEIR way, and the Hoi Polloi be damned.

    And we WILL be damned if we don't get it clear just WHO those elitists are.

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    I am not sure if this applies but as a professional in land use the governing agency is required to respond within 30 days or deem an application incomplete. This is part of CEQA, the California Environmental Quality Act, the document that "governs" all of the agencies in the state. It seems the game that has been played is delay and as the public we are in some form the applicant. Perhaps if this is brought up to the city we could get a response from the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    If I could figure out a way/ place to get out of San Diego to, I would. This county, and the entire state have been far too crowded for the last 20 years or so.
    I'm right there with you Ray...too busy for me. You're the only one I've heard that feels that way.

    I was ticketed after crossing the vehicle barrier near tunnels last month. It's a $280 ticket, despite what the LEOs said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific View Post
    I'm right there with you Ray...too busy for me. You're the only one I've heard that feels that way.
    I'm never too vocal about it on forums, but I've been plotting my escape for years. 2nd-generation native, have watched this place go to absolute crap in my 51 years. Having gotten back into MTBing in 2008, and watching how that has deteriorated in the past few years, is just piss-flavored icing on the shitcake.

    If my kids weren't so embedded in their school & activities here, we'd be gone like that.

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    Spy satellites noticed Rangers at the eucalyptus trees. Sunday circa 12:30. Shouldn't they be watching the game?

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    Was riding north across the Mesa Top tonight on the legal road and came across a rider walking back towards LPQ. He had received a warning for riding in the restricted area a couple weeks back and was caught again tonight near the Eucalyptis trees. His bike was confiscated and he was ticketed. Sounds like he was told to get down on the ground after he tried arguing about it. They were armed with military style rifles.

    The fire road is getting old...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhardeman View Post
    Was riding north across the Mesa Top tonight on the legal road and came across a rider walking back towards LPQ. He had received a warning for riding in the restricted area a couple weeks back and was caught again tonight near the Eucalyptis trees. His bike was confiscated and he was ticketed. Sounds like he was told to get down on the ground after he tried arguing about it. They were armed with military style rifles.

    The fire road is getting old...
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    I hate to have to repeat myself, but exactly where is Del Mar Mesa?

    edit: Never mind, I found it on the map. It is near where we had planned on visiting and would probably be where I would have ridden.

    Is there anywhere where it is legal to ride?

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    It is the mesa and canyons north of penesquitos canyon. I think this will escalate until someone gets beaten or gets shot at. This stupidity needs to get some media time beyond these forums.

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    Holy crap,

    I hope he has the money for a lawyer and can sue them. Considering the cost if ironman racing theses days ($700 per race) the thought of a ticket was not much of a deterent, but but confiscation? Seems a bit abusive, maybe unconstitutional. I thought that could only happen to drunks and drug dealers.

    I am not that unfit, but taking that stupid fire road to work first thing in the morning will suck. Going down it sucks as well, maybe it were like cobbles or the shits it could be fun...

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    As i plan to take the road bike to work today, One more thing that pisses me off more, having sustained a grade 3 concussion from an SUV not looking where he was going on the road. It maybe a better use of state resources to actually enforce the cell phone laws instead of hanging out it the shady trees playing commando.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martindfletcher View Post
    As i plan to take the road bike to work today, One more thing that pisses me off more, having sustained a grade 3 concussion from an SUV not looking where he was going on the road. It maybe a better use of state resources to actually enforce the cell phone laws instead of hanging out it the shady trees playing commando.
    You'll get more than a grade 3 concussion if you trip one of their cameras. They're getting mean, and they will stomp you down as if you were a mean-mouth wino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhardeman View Post
    Was riding north across the Mesa Top tonight on the legal road and came across a rider walking back towards LPQ. He had received a warning for riding in the restricted area a couple weeks back and was caught again tonight near the Eucalyptis trees. His bike was confiscated and he was ticketed. Sounds like he was told to get down on the ground after he tried arguing about it. They were armed with military style rifles.
    This sounds like a scene from some book about life in North Korea.......
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    Let me be very clear about something before anyone goes post crazy on me. I personally hate the fact that the closure happened and it has taken over 5 years (and still counting) to get where we are. However, I do not have a lot of empathy for the users who are blatantly violating the law.

    There are 100's of miles of trails out there not even including the recent drama in MTRP. If you ride in PQ, with a little creativity, you can easily create 50+ loops in the surrounding area, NEVER riding on roads and NEVER repeating the trail. I love the tunnels and know every bit of them like the back of my hand including the fenced off no-man's-land. I rode them up to the point they said stop (and enforced it). I would love to tell each of you to stop for now but you are your own person. If you get tagged, it is not like you didn't already know.....

    In any environment, the penalties for repeat offenders will go up. While driving, have you ever gotten a second moving violation before you cleared your first? It is a lot more, no surprise.

    The DMM is still closed even with the archaeology report complete. Until the day the trails are officially open, the trespassing enforcement will continue, unabated.

    Before we head down the "police state" claims, look at the facts:

    -The DMM is still closed
    - If you are on any of the land other than the fireroad, by orders of the city, state, and CDFW, you are trespassing.
    - The CDFW ran into a repeat offender. It was no accident the rider was there. The rider chose to ignore the reasons for the first citation.
    - The CDFW (a real law enforcement entity) has the authority to confiscate the bike. The rider can get it back but I am sure he will only get it by appearing in court, explaining why he was there after the first citation, and paying a hefty fine.

    I believe the bike was confiscated but the report is hearsay for all other interactions between the CDFW and the rider. Sounds like he was told to get down on the ground after he tried arguing about it. I want to hear what happened in a first hand post

    Finally, I love the fact you all are greatly alarmed at the recent interactions on the Mesa. I just wish I could get you to channel that energy into action that would be beneficial to moving the process along. I know there are those out there that believe we will never be able to ride the tunnels legally again. The fact of the matter is the process is moving along at glacial speed but it is moving along. The next piece of the plan is to have the city present the archaeological findings. That is tentatively scheduled to be complete by the end of this year. Don't give up on the process. It sucks and it is slow, but it is happening.
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    It might help to have more than myself and No bad rides attend the CAC meetings too
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy View Post
    Let me be very clear about something before anyone goes post crazy on me. I personally hate the fact that the closure happened and it has taken over 5 years (and still counting) to get where we are. However, I do not have a lot of empathy for the users who are blatantly violating the law.

    There are 100's of miles of trails out there not even including the recent drama in MTRP. If you ride in PQ, with a little creativity, you can easily create 50+ loops in the surrounding area, NEVER riding on roads and NEVER repeating the trail. I love the tunnels and know every bit of them like the back of my hand including the fenced off no-man's-land. I rode them up to the point they said stop (and enforced it). I would love to tell each of you to stop for now but you are your own person. If you get tagged, it is not like you didn't already know.....

    In any environment, the penalties for repeat offenders will go up. While driving, have you ever gotten a second moving violation before you cleared your first? It is a lot more, no surprise.

    The DMM is still closed even with the archaeology report complete. Until the day the trails are officially open, the trespassing enforcement will continue, unabated.

    Before we head down the "police state" claims, look at the facts:

    -The DMM is still closed
    - If you are on any of the land other than the fireroad, by orders of the city, state, and CDFW, you are trespassing.
    - The CDFW ran into a repeat offender. It was no accident the rider was there. The rider chose to ignore the reasons for the first citation.
    - The CDFW (a real law enforcement entity) has the authority to confiscate the bike. The rider can get it back but I am sure he will only get it by appearing in court, explaining why he was there after the first citation, and paying a hefty fine.

    I believe the bike was confiscated but the report is hearsay for all other interactions between the CDFW and the rider. Sounds like he was told to get down on the ground after he tried arguing about it. I want to hear what happened in a first hand post

    Finally, I love the fact you all are greatly alarmed at the recent interactions on the Mesa. I just wish I could get you to channel that energy into action that would be beneficial to moving the process along. I know there are those out there that believe we will never be able to ride the tunnels legally again. The fact of the matter is the process is moving along at glacial speed but it is moving along. The next piece of the plan is to have the city present the archaeological findings. That is tentatively scheduled to be complete by the end of this year. Don't give up on the process. It sucks and it is slow, but it is happening.
    All true, BB, and you may be aware of statements I've made supporting your efforts. But part of me is marveling at how, in these budget-challenged times, the State and the City and Feds too, for that matter, manage to actually FUND this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    All true, BB, and you may be aware of statements I've made supporting your efforts. But part of me is marveling at how, in these budget-challenged times, the State and the City and Feds too, for that matter, manage to actually FUND this nonsense.
    Unfortunately, on the backs of the violators. If there was nobody there, say for 2 or 3 months, the trails would not go away but they would not be able to justify the CDFW enforcement where there is no problem. It would also help us by proving we can police our own. It happened in the beginning. People just have been impatient as it has been a very long, arduous journey. There is a glimmer of light up ahead. Just find another outlet for the time being.

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    Unfortunately, on the backs of the violators. If there was nobody there, say for 2 or 3 months, the trails would not go away but they would not be able to justify the CDFW enforcement where there is no problem. It would also help us by proving we can police our own. It happened in the beginning. People just have been impatient as it has been a very long, arduous journey. There is a glimmer of light up ahead. Just find another outlet for the time being.

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    It's a $280 ticket for first offenders. So that revenue can justify the wasted funding for manned enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific View Post
    It's a $280 ticket for first offenders. So that revenue can justify the wasted funding for manned enforcement.
    To Bankerboys point, IF people can stay out and not get tickets the ROI will not be there. One would think that sooner than later they will have to leave but were talking about the Feds here...
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    Are there enough geeks riding that we could have twitter feed that we post warnings of rangers/patrols? The current tactics have been, if you see them first turn around and/or ride as hard as you can and dont look back, or to let a posey of other riders go first and if you don't hear anything follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    To Bankerboys point, IF people can stay out and not get tickets the ROI will not be there. One would think that sooner than later they will have to leave but were talking about the Feds here...
    True, but I figure that two armed, badged officers, two trucks, run the State $100/hour, easy...considering all the extraneous expenses. I don't think it pays its' way.

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    Maybe we will get lucky. If the repubs have their way, they could shut down the government funding next week. I wonder if CDFW funding would be in jeopardy and they could furlough the officers on the mesa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhNooo View Post
    Maybe we will get lucky. If the repubs have their way, they could shut down the government funding next week. I wonder if CDFW funding would be in jeopardy and they could furlough the officers on the mesa?
    I like this, a very positive spin on the Government Shutdown. hahaha!
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    I like this, a very positive spin on the Government Shutdown. hahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    ...I figure that two armed, badged officers, two trucks, run the State $100/hour, easy...considering all the extraneous expenses. I don't think it pays its' way.
    Are the officers out there state or federal? The reason I ask is from what I've heard, the state doesn't have that many wildlife enforcement officers. If they are state wildlife officers, these would be the same guys that are supposed to be monitoring hunting and fishing. It seems like a big commitment of resources.

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    The California Dept. of Fish and Wildlife guys are ... well, "State" and they're specially funded by a grant from SANDAG. The Parks Dept. and CDFW went off and explained they need money for a crucial protection of lands being damaged by persons visiting them after many of those same persons went in and removed trash and debris left...under the auspices of CDFW's management of lands.

    Either way, there's designated money to pay for the enforcement scheme up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil View Post
    The California Dept. of Fish and Wildlife guys are ... well, "State" and they're specially funded by a grant from SANDAG. The Parks Dept. and CDFW went off and explained they need money for a crucial protection of lands being damaged by persons visiting them after many of those same persons went in and removed trash and debris left...under the auspices of CDFW's management of lands.

    Either way, there's designated money to pay for the enforcement scheme up there.
    It's a gem of a system there, and as long as the money holds out, it is poised to go state-wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil View Post
    The California Dept. of Fish and Wildlife guys are ... well, "State" and they're specially funded by a grant from SANDAG. The Parks Dept. and CDFW went off and explained they need money for a crucial protection of lands being damaged by persons visiting them after many of those same persons went in and removed trash and debris left...under the auspices of CDFW's management of lands.

    Either way, there's designated money to pay for the enforcement scheme up there.
    Thanks. Somebody had referred to the enforcement guy as feds, thus the source of my confusion. I wonder what other funding needs SANDAG might be leaving unfilled to pay for this nonsense, and aren't there some abalone or steelhead getting poached somewhere that should rate higher in terms of resource protection? Sigh...

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