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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCallahan View Post
    Maybe something has changed in upper management thinking at State fish and game. They recently ticketed a bunch of hikers for trespassing into a closed area near Santa Cruz.
    Bingo! Since Dan Richards lost his job as head of the former DFG now renamed Dept of Fish & Wildlife (I shit you not, Game Wardens have been re-named to "Wildlife Officers" Careers - California Department of Fish and Wildlife). You may notice not all occurrences of DFG have been scrubbed to DFW. DFW will now be less focused on traditional "game management" activities such as enforcing poaching and other game laws, and more into the touchy feely enforcement, witness the new mission statement

    "The California Department of Fish and Wildlife (formerly "Department of Fish and Game") maintains native fish, wildlife, plant species and natural communities for their intrinsic and ecological value and their benefits to people. This includes habitat protection and maintenance in a sufficient amount and quality to ensure the survival of all species and natural communities. The department is also responsible for the diversified use of fish and wildlife including recreational, commercial, scientific and educational uses."

    Going forward you're likely to see them more active in boundary enforcement of MLPAs and phony ecological preserves such as DMM(and all the other Agenda 21 goals) than actual wildlife management.

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    On Sunday morning I gave that camera a
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    I was riding on the Mesa last week and I saw a ranger's truck along with his fresh truck tracks.

    Funny thing - His tire tracks went right THROUGH! the vernal pools!!!

    Literally right through the middle of the pool! Aren't they there to protect the precious shrimp?

    Maybe they would have more sympathy for us if they actually had to ride their bike onto the mesa, rather than drive a big truck

    Doug in San Diego

    P.S. On a side note, I also saw bike tracks through the middle of the pools.

    We are really not helping our cause if we keep doing dumb moves like that.
    (I suspect one of the weekend warriors ,clad in armor, was just too tired to ride his 50lb bike around the pool)

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    It always bugs me to see how the quad tracks are smashing the plants when I work so hard to ride around them....
    My bike is heavier than yours - it does not have Carbon or Titanium parts - I love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weinerts View Post
    It always bugs me to see how the quad tracks are smashing the plants when I work so hard to ride around them....
    You can rest assured that when its Wildlife Officers who are smashing those plants with their quads, that they are doing it for a very good, and official, reason.

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    That vernal pool was probably one on the very precious SDG&E fire road and they "built" it by their heavy A$$ truck plowing through the muddy roads as we're told to stay off at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqdad View Post
    I was riding on the Mesa last week and I saw a ranger's truck along with his fresh truck tracks.

    Funny thing - His tire tracks went right THROUGH! the vernal pools!!!

    Literally right through the middle of the pool! Aren't they there to protect the precious shrimp?

    Maybe they would have more sympathy for us if they actually had to ride their bike onto the mesa, rather than drive a big truck

    Doug in San Diego
    take a photo of this and go to the next city meeting regarding trail issues and present it as evidence against the city ....need to ask them how is it that the people protecting these trails are able to get away with doing this and where is the conservation when rangers who have been put in place to protect these land sections are doing worse damage ....be interesting to see the response - hell take a gopro and get video of who is doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by daygoVR6 View Post
    take a photo of this and go to the next city meeting regarding trail issues and present it as evidence against the city ....need to ask them how is it that the people protecting these trails are able to get away with doing this and where is the conservation when rangers who have been put in place to protect these land sections are doing worse damage ....be interesting to see the response - hell take a gopro and get video of who is doing it
    I believe that the fire road is owned by SDG&E and they plow their trucks right through the mud holes if they are "vernal pool" or not. Same with the rangers. Rules don't apply
    Oh, and those houses up on the mesa never had vernal pools, endangered plants, or animals....... Right....
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    well this just sucks, I haven't been through there in a few months as I have been riding different parts of town...but just the other night I cut through the non fenced in area and nothing seemed out of the norm ...but I wasn't necessarily looking either

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    Two green CDFG trucks hanging out by the eucalyptus grove as of 10am this morning. Tax payer funded circle-jerk.

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    Keep in mind this is a city controlled by unions and union interests. I have nothing against the idea of a union but these guys pretty much run the whole city of San Diego. Just ask Bob "Lick my Cheecks" Filner (before he leaves town for good). The housing developments, the strip malls, more roads and highways... And then they complain about mountain bikers. I guess there is no union contract with a mountain biker. It's totally stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjphillips View Post
    Keep in mind this is a city controlled by unions and union interests. I have nothing against the idea of a union but these guys pretty much run the whole city of San Diego. Just ask Bob "Lick my Cheecks" Filner (before he leaves town for good). The housing developments, the strip malls, more roads and highways... And then they complain about mountain bikers. I guess there is no union contract with a mountain biker. It's totally stupid.
    This has nothing to do with unions, and everything to do with the privileges of the Privileged. You see, they simply do not want to look out of their 30'X15' picture windows, and gaze upon dirty, mountain bike-riding, servants having fun and staying fit. And as far as I know, there ain't no Peons' Union!

    IMO, SoCal Jack's post of 2 weeks' ago has basically nailed down what most of the change is due to. That and the disappearance, with full Council approval, and to Pardee's benefit (along with the former landowners who happily sold their land for a tidy fortune) of all the rest of the DM Mesa open space, save for the tiny bit at the west end overlooking I5.

    That one of those former landowners happens to be one of the most vocal 'environmentalists' calling for the closure of DMM is perhaps ironic, but for me, a longtime Diego native, it's nothin' new.

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    There are lots of people who live on the Mesa and in Torrey Hills that ride and trail-run. Many are unaware of the issues out here. The only downside about increasing awareness locally about this travesty is if/when they do open that area up, there is going to be a whole lot more traffic.

    I'm pissed off enough based on things that happened this morning that I've decided I'm done sitting on my hands.

    I'm sure those moving into the Alta Del Mar neigborhood (intenstines) would be upset to hear that the city has closed much of the trails that Pardee is selling as one of the many advanatages of owning a home here. I intend on going door to door, welcoming them to the neighborhood and informing them of the city's woeful mismanangement of the area (including delaying the master trails plan).

    I've also put a call into Lightners office. I'd like to be able to tell folks that she's part of the solution. We'll see what her rep has to say about that. I'm taking my show on the road to Tri Club San Diego, SDBC, Swamis and any one else who will listen.

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    Sucks !
    You do the crime you pay the dime though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntro View Post
    There are lots of people who live on the Mesa and in Torrey Hills that ride and trail-run. Many are unaware of the issues out here. The only downside about increasing awareness locally about this travesty is if/when they do open that area up, there is going to be a whole lot more traffic.

    I'm pissed off enough based on things that happened this morning that I've decided I'm done sitting on my hands.

    I'm sure those moving into the Alta Del Mar neigborhood (intenstines) would be upset to hear that the city has closed much of the trails that Pardee is selling as one of the many advanatages of owning a home here. I intend on going door to door, welcoming them to the neighborhood and informing them of the city's woeful mismanangement of the area (including delaying the master trails plan).

    I've also put a call into Lightners office. I'd like to be able to tell folks that she's part of the solution. We'll see what her rep has to say about that. I'm taking my show on the road to Tri Club San Diego, SDBC, Swamis and any one else who will listen.
    Right on, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmffitz View Post
    Sucks !
    You do the crime you pay the dime though!
    The problem here is, the REAL crime has the law on its' side!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntro View Post
    I've also put a call into Lightners office. I'd like to be able to tell folks that she's part of the solution.
    To my knowledge she is a big part of the problem. She is best buddy with some of the entitled equestrians in the DMM area and will vote along whatever lines they ask her to. In fact she was openly hostile toward MTBers after her office was flooded with faxes regarding the trails plan for DMM prior to some city or park and rec board meeting a couple years back.

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    ^^^Evdog knows this first hand and this is the problem we are facing. Politicians are bought by the vote and the support ($$$$). We have the numbers. Hell, this post has seen over 3600 views since it was first posted up. Huntro has the right idea. It sounds like he is trying to get others involved. I realized that there are not 3600 users but there are far more watching this than the 30 or so that have posted.

    Political pressure is one of the ways to help get this process moving along. So, here are your local contacts. Please reach out to them and increase the awareness. There are many people within their district that want legal access to what already exists and has been taken away.

    Lorie Zapf
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    202 "C" Street, 10th Floor
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    Phone: (619) 236-6616
    Fax: (619) 236-7329
    Email : loriezapf@sandiego.gov

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    Phone: (619) 236-6611
    Fax: (619) 236-6999
    Email sherrilightner@sandiego.gov

    Don't be afraid that they may not represent our interests. If we do not let them know of our interests, then they will never represent us. Please do it in a respectful manner. We don't need to perpetuate the douche-bag myth. The trail users are individuals, parents, grandparents, and are a substantial portion of their community base. We need everybody to be involved. Show them where the money is. Long shot? Yep. But what do you have to lose?

    The current message is clear:

    You get NOTHING!
    Apathy will get you exactly what you deserve

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy View Post

    The trail users are individuals, parents, grandparents, TAX PAYERS and are a substantial portion of their community base. We need everybody to be involved. Show them where the money is. Long shot? Yep. But what do you have to lose?

    The current message is clear:

    You get NOTHING!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    Fixed it for you
    You forgot "Voters"!

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    What's the latest on this? Just finished with ironman season, happy to get back on the dirt and my commute to work was littered with branches, new fences, more durable signs, cameras. Based on the trail conditions traffic does not seem to be drastically different. Haven't seen any patrollers. We need like twitter or Facebook page warning when the patrollers are out there.

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    Pretty quiet up here the last two mornings during my citizen safety patrol.
    The storm fronts have blown most of the signs away too. Must be global warming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    Pretty quiet up here the last two mornings during my citizen safety patrol.
    The storm fronts have blown most of the signs away too. Must be global warming?
    Most likely. It will mean hell for those fairy shrimp eggs on the "Main Trail".

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    The local mountain biking community is getting exactly what it deserves.

    All you people want to do is go to meetings, sign petitions, write letters. The fascists (I don't use that term lightly) whom you are fighting against don't care about any of that. The only thing which a brute respects is power. By playing their game, you have all shown that you lack it.

    You can have as many trails as you want, and you get as many as you deserve.

    Pathetic.

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    Please feel free to join a militia and take up arms against the man. After you get out of jail, assuning you are still alive, please let us know how that worked for you. It is easy to talk big on the net with nothing to back it up. While you may not approve of my message, I am actually talking the talk AND walking the walk. You?

    This really wasnt worth the effort to type it.
    Apathy will get you exactly what you deserve

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    You sound like one of those IMBA fools.

    How do you think all of those skateparks got built? Lots of reasons, but one is leverage: City planners know that if they don't provide an outlet for the skaters, the kids will "damage" all of their pretty stairs and curbs. What leverage have you got?

    Very few MB groups take this approach, but they seem to get what they want:

    How the first legal dedicated DH trail system was built in the US
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    A friend of mine was recently ticketed here. He actually only went a few feet inside the opening in the gate before turning around and heading down the fireroad. He was "in the zone" listening to loud music and apparently a truck was behind him for a while before he noticed (at break between songs). He pulled to the side to make room expecting the ranger to pass and was surprised when he found out he was the one in trouble. He got a ticket for trespassing and another misdemeanor for obstructing the duty of an officer. Two ranger trucks and another officer on a bike showed up, probably the most fun they had all day. My buddy is in his mid fifties, makes plenty of $$, and has never been in trouble with the law. The idea that he would knowingly run away to avoid a fine is ridiculous. He doesn't care about paying the trespassing fine but is worried about the misdemeanor since it's a criminal offense, he is not sure if he should get a lawyer or what. Any advice for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    A friend of mine was recently ticketed here. He actually only went a few feet inside the opening in the gate before turning around and heading down the fireroad. He was "in the zone" listening to loud music and apparently a truck was behind him for a while before he noticed (at break between songs). He pulled to the side to make room expecting the ranger to pass and was surprised when he found out he was the one in trouble. He got a ticket for trespassing and another misdemeanor for obstructing the duty of an officer. Two ranger trucks and another officer on a bike showed up, probably the most fun they had all day. My buddy is in his mid fifties, makes plenty of $$, and has never been in trouble with the law. The idea that he would knowingly run away to avoid a fine is ridiculous. He doesn't care about paying the trespassing fine but is worried about the misdemeanor since it's a criminal offense, he is not sure if he should get a lawyer or what. Any advice for him?
    For one, never ride with two ear buds in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recitio View Post
    You sound like one of those IMBA fools.

    How do you think all of those skateparks got built? Lots of reasons, but one is leverage: City planners know that if they don't provide an outlet for the skaters, the kids will "damage" all of their pretty stairs and curbs. What leverage have you got?

    Very few MB groups take this approach, but they seem to get what they want:

    How the first legal dedicated DH trail system was built in the US
    Couple things with this video..

    Mountain biking trails were already legally established and accepted in the Teton Pass where the down hill trails were built. In other words, they already had a foothold. That is hardly the case here. In the two hotly contested areas, the DMM and Mission Trails, the approach by the city of San Diego is these were never legal trails so you cannot be there. That has to change.

    The enforcement appears different. We are up against armed DFG officers who are actively patrolling. The active protest you are advocating will only enrich their coffers and justify the security presence. The change needs to come from within the city before we see a change in the field.

    The Freedom Riders had to lose numerous trails to maintain the one legal trail in the beginning. They had to compromise to get the approval of the forest service. I cannot speak for Mission Trails, but at the DMM, there is an approved but far from optimal trails plan approved by the Dept of Parks and Req and is awaiting site studies. It is along the same line perused in the video. Nothing moves fast and this appears to be bogged down now. But how long did the process take in the video? It was no where near fast or overnight.

    We need so much more people power but have not received it. There are a few who are pursuing the business side (developers, bike shops, and the like) to help generate more movement. Watch the titles of some of the movers in the video - business owners and prominent business folk who were willing to stand up for their cause.

    You speak of taking your tax dollars elsewhere? How exactly do you dictate how your tax dollars are spent? Sure you can avoid sales tax but you cannot control the allocations of the state coffers. That is, unless you vote.

    Probably the hardest part for lots of people to digest and accept is even when we are victorious, not all the trails will be left. Exactly what happened in the video.

    So lets leave it at this. Feel free to do your thing and I will do mine. This fool's goal is to make sure there are trails for my kids and theirs. If we go with the "ride it while you can" and do nothing to secure the future, there is no future for these trails.
    Apathy will get you exactly what you deserve

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    Contact info for the southern region office of DFG/DFW

    AskR5@wildlife.ca.gov
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    ok. any legal advice? anyone else get tagged with the "obstruction" charge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    ok. any legal advice? anyone else get tagged with the "obstruction" charge?
    Sorry, your friend is probably SOL. I have heard the tickets for trespassing is between $75 to over $400. I have no idea on the "obstruction" charge but I cannot imagine it is not cheap.

    Only advice (non-legal person here) is to show up and hope for leniency. It helped me in a red light ticket years ago when they were used rampantly. Judge lowered the bail from $475 to $275 for just showing up. I am sure there are lots of other strategies but that is the one card I know.

    Tell him good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy View Post
    Couple things with this video..

    Mountain biking trails were already legally established and accepted in the Teton Pass where the down hill trails were built. In other words, they already had a foothold. That is hardly the case here. In the two hotly contested areas, the DMM and Mission Trails, the approach by the city of San Diego is these were never legal trails so you cannot be there. That has to change.

    The enforcement appears different. We are up against armed DFG officers who are actively patrolling. The active protest you are advocating will only enrich their coffers and justify the security presence. The change needs to come from within the city before we see a change in the field.

    The Freedom Riders had to lose numerous trails to maintain the one legal trail in the beginning. They had to compromise to get the approval of the forest service. I cannot speak for Mission Trails, but at the DMM, there is an approved but far from optimal trails plan approved by the Dept of Parks and Req and is awaiting site studies. It is along the same line perused in the video. Nothing moves fast and this appears to be bogged down now. But how long did the process take in the video? It was no where near fast or overnight.

    We need so much more people power but have not received it. There are a few who are pursuing the business side (developers, bike shops, and the like) to help generate more movement. Watch the titles of some of the movers in the video - business owners and prominent business folk who were willing to stand up for their cause.

    You speak of taking your tax dollars elsewhere? How exactly do you dictate how your tax dollars are spent? Sure you can avoid sales tax but you cannot control the allocations of the state coffers. That is, unless you vote.

    Probably the hardest part for lots of people to digest and accept is even when we are victorious, not all the trails will be left. Exactly what happened in the video.

    So lets leave it at this. Feel free to do your thing and I will do mine. This fool's goal is to make sure there are trails for my kids and theirs. If we go with the "ride it while you can" and do nothing to secure the future, there is no future for these trails.
    Leverage. You've got none. The only thing that you're ensuring is that there will be plenty of legal fire road riding available.

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    @Joe,

    First thing I'd do, if I were your friend, is call you up and scream at you for posting that publicly on the internet.

    Second thing I'd do is get a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    For one, never ride with two ear buds in.
    It's actually illegal in the state of California have have two ear buds in simultaneously anywhere, anytime. Can't do it riding, running, driving, and so on.

    The guy who got cited didn't stop because he couldn't hear them coming... sorry to say but that is his bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recitio View Post
    @Joe,

    First thing I'd do, if I were your friend, is call you up and scream at you for posting that publicly on the internet.

    Second thing I'd do is get a lawyer.
    Looks like he posted it himself, just in the wrong forum. http://forums.mtbr.com/california-no...go-875147.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    It's actually illegal in the state of California have have two ear buds in simultaneously anywhere, anytime. Can't do it riding, running, driving, and so on.

    The guy who got cited didn't stop because he couldn't hear them coming... sorry to say but that is his bad.
    What if it had been a deaf guy that didn't stop because he didn't hear them coming?

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    ^^^^ Isn't that what Tasers are for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_amador View Post
    What if it had been a deaf guy that didn't stop because he didn't hear them coming?
    If I was deaf, I wouldn't be doing an activity that requires hearing or eyes in the back of my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    If I was deaf, I wouldn't be doing an activity that requires hearing or eyes in the back of my head.
    You might, but it wouldn't be for long.....

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    I WROTE A LETTER !!!

    Chris Zirkle, Deputy Director
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    Dear Mr. Zirkle:

    Please make every effort to allow residents of Carmel Valley to continue to use the Del Mar Mesa preserve for recreational activities, such as hiking, biking, and horse back riding on well-maintained trails.

    It is beneficial for residents to have access to the preserve:
    * residents enjoy the beauty of the canyon
    * health of residents is improved by hiking, bicycling, and horseback riding
    * commuting by bicycle reduces traffic on already congested roads
    * reduction in illegal camping and migrants in the canyons
    * less marijuana farming, and other illicit activities in the canyon

    Lately (July 2013), Department of Fish and Game is preventing residents from using much of the trail system in Del Mar Mesa Preserve. Why are we being denied access to land that already has an approved trail system?

    I was surprised to find armed state Department of Fish and Game wardens patrolling the area and citing hikers and bikers. I realize that there are fenced off areas of the preserve, but the officers were citing anyone who was not on the main fire road that travels north / south through the preserve.

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    ^^^Thank you. Now if only the other 900 people who read this do the same. Thank you for your effort. May not seem like much but it is a big deal. There is a full court press on between here and Mission Trails right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recitio View Post
    You sound like one of those IMBA fools.

    How do you think all of those skateparks got built? Lots of reasons, but one is leverage: City planners know that if they don't provide an outlet for the skaters, the kids will "damage" all of their pretty stairs and curbs. What leverage have you got?

    Very few MB groups take this approach, but they seem to get what they want:

    How the first legal dedicated DH trail system was built in the US
    OK....I only just now watched the video Recitio posted a link to, and it really does have a lot of parallels to our situation in DMM and MTRP. An organized, concerted effort, maybe with some outside help from IMBA, seems like the way to salvage at least some of these trails. I know Tunnel 4 is proposed in the plan, and personally I don't see why the rim trail to the west can't be regarded as sustainable, along with the switchback trail down that people have different names for.

    I don't ride nearly as much out at MTRP as some of you do, but probably something along that order could be worked out as well.

    Regardless of whether you think the actions recently are the result of a far-left wing or far-rightwing conspiracy, some reality-based thinking is in order here if anything but further suppression is going to occur.

    Unless, of course, the City, and the State go bankrupt and can no longer pay for rangers and officers to patrol out there for just the sake of asserting their authority. But I don't think any of us really wants to see that...the other effects would be rather....extreme, I think. And I for one have had enough of extreme for one lifetime already.

    It's time for me to sit down and bust out a few letters to Whom it May Concern....

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    Hey guys, first post here. Stumbled upon this thread looking for info on the Tunnels via google. I was up in the area exploring yesterday, didnt see any rangers, or anyone for that fact and undoubtably passed that game camera on the way out.

    The biggest thing I noticed about exploring out there, was that the only areas that were trashed, disturbed or dumped on; were the access roads. The main fire road has huge ruts that only a truck would cause, the crater of a berm track by the Eucalyptus patch that looks like quads do in the desert, and all the dumped trash is next to the freeway and houses, in several areas.

    Thanks to those who posted up the links and addresses to the political contacts, I wil be sending a few emails and letters out as well.

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    ^^^Thank you.

    Don't take too many chances out there, it sounds like they're getting good at ambushing people.

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    Yeah, I knew of the closures, but not of the intensity recently, not worth it!

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    Within 15 minutes of being up there on Tues. AM, a ranger truck showed up. Even though I stayed on the road, I think I tripped a remote movement sensor. The ranger kept his window rolled up and did not make eye contact, which these days is just fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Within 15 minutes of being up there on Tues. AM, a ranger truck showed up. Even though I stayed on the road, I think I tripped a remote movement sensor. The ranger kept his window rolled up and did not make eye contact, which these days is just fine with me.
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    Email response from Chris:
    Mike, thanks for your interest in Del Mar Mesa trails planning. The area currently has no approved trails. The Open Space division is working on legitimizing access to some of the trails in Del Mar Mesa. We’ve held 19 public meetings on the trails plan with the next one scheduled for the City’s Planning Commission. Here’s a link to the last public meeting:
    http://www.sandiego.gov/parkandrecbo...gementplan.pdf
    As you can see from the report, not only does the City not own all of the land in the planning area, approval is ultimately subject to the US Fish and Wildlife Service and the California Dept of Fish and Wildlife because the area is in the City’s wildlife preserve. They have written us a letter (attached) which pertains specifically to Mission Trails Regional Park but this sentence pertains to Del Mar Mesa as well:
    The unauthorized construction and use of trails should be immediately addressed and effectively controlled prior to moving forward with plans to redesign or construct new trails in MTRP.

    Thanks, Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    what kind of police state is this... my goodness.
    Unfortunately the kind that most people in this state voted for.They got what they deserved.

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