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    Suicide trail!!!

    Just wondering who on here has ridden it and cleaned everything on it? I did it for my first time today, damn its a fun trail. It really humbled me though. There is some pretty big stuff there. Props to the builders!

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    fun trail. I love hanging out in the caves on my way up. They are at least 10 degrees cooler. There are some fun trails around here.
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    The one in oak park? I ride it a few times a week, its a really fun fast trail, i just wish it was steeper

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    Quote Originally Posted by 62kona
    Just wondering who on here has ridden it and cleaned everything on it?
    What does a tidy trail look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    What does a tidy trail look like?
    love soapy clean trails that smell lemon scented
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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    What does a tidy trail look like?
    It looks like this :

    http://www.smmtc.org/pix_Los_Robles_COSCA_20080322.htm

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    I feel your pain the before shots look better to me too.

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    Is this trail in the San Diego area? If so, can you tell me where please.

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    Trail is out in the XXX, not San Diego. I wish they didn't get rid of the ruts.
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    No and No this is the type of info you handle privately try PM'ing

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    Are you kidding me?! Do I need a secret code to find out where this top secret trail is too?? It's like pulling teeth just to get info from "fellow riders" in this area. It's terrible that I'm realizing one thing from creating an account on this website, and that is, there are alot more tools and a$$ clowns riding bikes than I ever thought... Thanks for the help!

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    If that's your attitude, you don't need to be riding that trail.

    Where were there ever any ruts on it to begin with??
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    No it's quite easy just use the PM function to find out. Problems arise from posting that kind of info on a public forum.

    1. People park in front of home owners houses making a punch of noise, leaving trash and many other forms of being inconsiderate. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    2. People ride stuff with no info get in over there heads get hurt and heli-vaced out. That gets thing closed and destroyed.

    3. People post direction and the rangers browse these forums to find locations of outlaw trails. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    4. High traffic and rude riders on the trails upset hikers and equestrians. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    When things closed and destroyed, the builders and local riders are sad.

    This trail is a few hours away from S.D. but I'm sure they have the same problems. I've been riding this trail since the mid 90's and have done my part to not cause any problems here. PM me if you need more details.

    Good luck and happy Tails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    No it's quite easy just use the PM function to find out. Problems arise from posting that kind of info on a public forum.

    1. People park in front of home owners houses making a punch of noise, leaving trash and many other forms of being inconsiderate. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    2. People ride stuff with no info get in over there heads get hurt and heli-vaced out. That gets thing closed and destroyed.

    3. People post direction and the rangers browse these forums to find locations of outlaw trails. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    4. High traffic and rude riders on the trails upset hikers and equestrians. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    When things closed and destroyed, the builders and local riders are sad.

    This trail is a few hours away from S.D. but I'm sure they have the same problems. I've been riding this trail since the mid 90's and have done my part to not cause any problems here. PM me if you need more details.

    Good luck and happy Tails.
    Right on. Lets keep it open!

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    Its not like the rangers dont know about this trail, its been there forever and they plow it as far as they can ever few years to make a firebreak. In fact they just plowed the lower part like 3 weeks ago so its all sandy and loose. When you ride it just be nice to the hikers because there are alot of them even though it is a dh trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon858
    Is this trail in the San Diego area? If so, can you tell me where please.
    north of San Diego. far enough to drive that it isn't a trip you'd make just to ride it.

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    Thanks for the help Trail Bait. I'll be asking around about this one once I've been through some of the closer trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    If that's your attitude, you don't need to be riding that trail.

    Where were there ever any ruts on it to begin with??
    before your time....that place is a sidewalk compared to what it use to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    Its not like the rangers dont know about this trail, its been there forever and they plow it as far as they can ever few years to make a firebreak. In fact they just plowed the lower part like 3 weeks ago so its all sandy and loose. When you ride it just be nice to the hikers because there are alot of them even though it is a dh trail

    ummmm actually you could drive up that fireroad in the early 70's
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    ummmm actually you could drive up that fireroad in the early 70's

    you could drive up dead cow trail along time ago[the trail you hike up to get to suicide] but you could never actually drive up suicide

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    Jeez Trail Bait, you're getting all edumacated n stuff on us now! I kind of like it, you must wear glasses because you are the smart type, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    you could drive up dead cow trail along time ago[the trail you hike up to get to suicide] but you could never actually drive up suicide
    from my understanding....suey too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru

    How long 'till we go to Northstar?
    Mammoth in 2 weeks
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    Bob don't bother debating this with him he wasn't even alive back than. Have fun in Mammoth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    from my understanding....suey too
    hey bob what happened to our race down suicide?

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    Haha. That trail was made by Jake Watson (RIP) so long ago.. It's changed so much over the years. It was at it's peak for straight DH in the late 90's.

    trail bait has it right. No matter how many people know about the trail I'd still hold by "if you know you know, if not than meet someone who know's- if they are smart they will share if you are cool, and avoid you if you're not." yeah- it sucks but that's just the way it seems to work...

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    4WD only

    Suicide (aka Jake's Run, aka Waterpipe) is the old dozer road to the stock watering pond at the southeast corner of China Flats. The pipeline was just east of the road (generally), not along the road, which zig-zags a bit. I've been up and down it in an FJ45, but it wasn't really "driving", more like "scratchin' for traction" in several places. King James fire road, on the other hand, was easy for a stock '68 bug, and a frequent lunch spot when I was in high school. Both routes are now badly eroded and overgrown, which makes 'em better for riding, doncha know!

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    HaHa- you just aged yourself a bit... I think my first time down that trail was around 1996... I used to walk/run/hike up it all the time when training for XC too. I still remember vividly the day Jake Watson died. I was working at DB and even though he didn't ride for DB at the time the calls kept coming in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    you could drive up dead cow trail along time ago[the trail you hike up to get to suicide] but you could never actually drive up suicide
    Some of us actually RIDE up the Cow to get to Sui.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaming Oregon
    HaHa- you just aged yourself a bit... I think my first time down that trail was around 1996... I used to walk/run/hike up it all the time when training for XC too. I still remember vividly the day Jake Watson died. I was working at DB and even though he didn't ride for DB at the time the calls kept coming in...
    I was doing practice runs on the DH course up at Keyesville the day he went down. We were about 50 yards away when it happened. Most of the Pro riders were too broken up to race the next day.

    There were probably over 50 of us who rode in the funeral procession. He was a huge guy with an equally big heart. For a long while, there was a sign at the top of Sui with his name on it.
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    edited, i probably shouldn't post stuff like that if rangers browse these boards
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Ha ha that's Norm in those pics

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    It's really interesting how similar of a flow that Suicide and the DH track that killed Jake Watson have. Radically different terrain, trails with really similar pace. I'm still not 100% sure what part of the old Keyesville course he died on, but I have a general idea.

    On many maps, Suicide still shows as a road which is funny. There's only a couple spots where it's a real stretch to imagine it ever being a road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    It's really interesting how similar of a flow that Suicide and the DH track that killed Jake Watson have. Radically different terrain, trails with really similar pace. I'm still not 100% sure what part of the old Keyesville course he died on, but I have a general idea.

    On many maps, Suicide still shows as a road which is funny. There's only a couple spots where it's a real stretch to imagine it ever being a road.
    He died on the Flying Dutchman. They don't always use that section though. It's way up near the top.

    Basically it's a fairly fast and easy downhill stretch to a large granite boulder that you have to ride over that leads you to a rocky, rutted descent. Most guys rode over and down the boulder. It was really tricky because it's off-camber with loose DG on the face.

    Jake and a few others figured they could make up some serious time by launching off the boulder and flying over the next section. You had to land in a small clear patch way down the trail. He managed to nail the landing, but the fork and shock couldn't handle the impact and threw him into the air.

    Prior to Jake's attempt, two other riders hit the landing but were seriously injured: one with a neck injury, the other with head trauma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottR1
    Suicide (aka Jake's Run, aka Waterpipe) is the old dozer road to the stock watering pond at the southeast corner of China Flats. The pipeline was just east of the road (generally), not along the road, which zig-zags a bit. I've been up and down it in an FJ45, but it wasn't really "driving", more like "scratchin' for traction" in several places. King James fire road, on the other hand, was easy for a stock '68 bug, and a frequent lunch spot when I was in high school. Both routes are now badly eroded and overgrown, which makes 'em better for riding, doncha know!
    It's interesting to hear from someone who actually drove those trails! When was that? It's not such a stretch to think of driving King James - there's even an old car off the trail near the top. But Sui is seriously steep in some places, and hard to imagine driving. There must have been erosion to remove lots of dirt in some stretches. (Did the road go straight to the stock pond, where it's not rideable now, or did it cut over where the trail goes now?)

    My first time on Sui was when I was just out exploring - except I "rode" (i.e., mostly pushed) my fully rigid Trek up in 1993 or so. It was an exciting ride down, more than my bike or I was up to, so it was a few years before I really rode it. As you say, it's much better for riding now that it's eroded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    He died on the Flying Dutchman. They don't always use that section though. It's way up near the top.

    Basically it's a fairly fast and easy downhill stretch to a large granite boulder that you have to ride over that leads you to a rocky, rutted descent. Most guys rode over and down the boulder. It was really tricky because it's off-camber with loose DG on the face.

    Jake and a few others figured they could make up some serious time by launching off the boulder and flying over the next section. You had to land in a small clear patch way down the trail. He managed to nail the landing, but the fork and shock couldn't handle the impact and threw him into the air.

    Prior to Jake's attempt, two other riders hit the landing but were seriously injured: one with a neck injury, the other with head trauma.
    Is that one of the main lines on DF trail? It sounds familiar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottR1
    Suicide (aka Jake's Run, aka Waterpipe) is the old dozer road to the stock watering pond at the southeast corner of China Flats. The pipeline was just east of the road (generally), not along the road, which zig-zags a bit. I've been up and down it in an FJ45, but it wasn't really "driving", more like "scratchin' for traction" in several places. King James fire road, on the other hand, was easy for a stock '68 bug, and a frequent lunch spot when I was in high school. Both routes are now badly eroded and overgrown, which makes 'em better for riding, doncha know!
    Thanks for that interesting info

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    That video was depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    That video was depressing.
    Hey jack I made that video.
    Yeah, I guess we all are lame compared to you, but at least they all showed up when they said they would and didn't flake out like you. I have no respect for you, your opinion is worth what I sent down the toilet bowl.
    Maybe I shouldn't take that comment so seriously considering it was posted at 1:00 am, get some sleep, you'll feel better in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    That video was depressing.

    shut up gordon, your just mad because your sitting at home crying and masturbating because your so lonely

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    yea gordon... god damn, learn how to drive in an extended cab truck at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    shut up gordon, your just mad because your sitting at home crying and masturbating because your so lonely
    Or out riding many many shuttle runs after work and making bills. I only wish I had time to cry and masturbate. These kinds of things need to be planned about a week out. With limited time I'd have to multi-task and cry, wank, and clean the house.
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    How many feet is that drop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowLow
    How many feet is that drop?
    little one 3ft, middle one 5ft, big one 8ft, drop that used to go into the corner 3ft

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    what's the preferred loop? I was thinking park at Oak canyon park. ride up through the park, then up dead cow, down suicide, then Kanan back to the park?

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    That's a good loop, I think parking by the Dead Cow trail head doing the the loop and at the bottom of Sui going right through the park is better than going around Kanan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    Hey jack I made that video.
    Yeah, I guess we all are lame compared to you, but at least they all showed up when they said they would and didn't flake out like you. I have no respect for you, your opinion is worth what I sent down the toilet bowl.
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    Depressing? Looks like a few guys having some fun to me. Going about as large as I am willing to at my age! Only thing depressing to me is all the burned skeletons of brush from the fires. Looks like things are recovering though. Seems to be NorCal's turn for the roastie-toasties this year. Still a bit smoky here in the Bay Area. Have to get down to SD soon for a break from the Hickory-smoked lungs after each ride...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    That video was depressing.
    Everyone has to start somewhere. I'm sure they had a freakin' blast! I heard that one of those riders did his first hucks that day. Awesome! I actually really enjoyed watching it. Thanks for posting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    I support you 100% on that Steve.....ask WCH about the shock and jumping of DHIdiots bike....funny shiat...I have some stuff too
    When did WCH jump my bike?? What are you babbling about?

    Do I even know this fleabait kid? I'm guessing no older than 16...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot

    Do I even know this fleabait kid? I'm guessing no older than 16...

    Wrong again gordon, he's almost 40. And he doesn't flake on riding plans like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    When did WCH jump my bike?? What are you babbling about?

    Do I even know this fleabait kid? I'm guessing no older than 16...
    Stop touching yourself and get some sleep. We're starting up Dead Cow at 8:00, you're welcome to join grace us with your presence, mad skills and wit. Be there on time we're not waiting for flakes.

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    the drops only look small because James is 19 feet tall with 27 ft long arms - EDIT -> and 45 ft wide bars

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    the drops only look small because James is 19 feet tall with 27 ft long arms - EDIT -> and 45 ft wide bars
    I actually cut the bars today, so instead of being 31.5 they are now 30.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by dusthuffer
    the drops only look small because James is 19 feet tall with 27 ft long arms - EDIT -> and 45 ft wide bars
    With them bars you need those wide load trucks to ride in the bike lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    Stop touching yourself and get some sleep. We're starting up Dead Cow at 8:00, you're welcome to join grace us with your presence, mad skills and wit. Be there on time we're not waiting for flakes.
    I'm moving this weekend Sleep is for the dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    I'm moving this weekend Sleep is for the dead.
    movig this weekend, out of state I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    movig this weekend, out of state I hope.
    Closer actually, tool. And no, I won't be riding with you, don't worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    Closer actually, tool. And no, I won't be riding with you, don't worry.
    We all know that. You couldn't keep up anyways!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    We all know that. You couldn't keep up anyways!
    Yup. You wouldn't catch me hitting that sick gnar gnar unless the camera was rolling either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    Yup. You wouldn't catch me hitting that sick gnar gnar unless the camera was rolling either.
    I look forward to seeing you out there on the trail.

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    I look forward to seeing you out there on the trail.
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    ANYWAY - Sui is still good. There are some expert level items on it now that I don't hit. It really is fun, I am surprised I haven't hit a hiker when hauling ass around some of the fireroad corners lower down, you know where I mean, and you never know when some dumb ass hiker is going to walking right up sui even though it's not officially a trailhead. It's gonna happen sooner or later and then the rangers will shut the whole thing down. Use bells, and make sure they are working - Mikes bikes in newbury park has mini cowbells five bucks. Either that or hire a crew of day laborers to run screaming down the trail 100 yards in front of you, that should do the trick.

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    edited, probably shouldn't post that
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    Rode down suicide trail on sunday morning 7:30am. best downhill i have ever ridden, nice drops and lots of jumps. being just a new rider this was one hell of a ride for me.
    Thanks to the locals that were there that morning, they were all very cool.
    Next i would like to ride up dead cow road, pushing my bike up was pretty tough than to come down what seems to be only a few minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    I've had that happen. I was flying down the fastest part of the trail near the end and theres a bush to the left that you cant see around and right after i go by it i see 2 hikers with 2 dogs. They both stepped to the side of the trail and i slammed both brakes and laid the bike over and so did the guy behind me and i barely missed hitting one of the dogs. The hikers were really worried that we were hurt and kept apologizing. I'd like to post some signs at the bottom of the trail that say something like "one way trail, do not enter" or "hike at your own risk"
    That would really be a shame - both hitting a hiker, which could shut down the trail, or posting something indicating hikers shouldn't be using it. That would also be a good way to get the park to shut it down, since it could get the hikers complaining to the park. There are a bunch of locals who hike there regularly. Most of them seem pretty tuned in to bikers, and as long as there aren't conflicts we have a chance of keeping that trail open. But everyone who rides it should remember there are likely to be hikers on it; slowing down a tad around blind corners in the interest of keeping the trail open would be a good idea.

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    Tie bells to your shoes and put a baseball card in the spokes.

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    I am surprised by the amount of traffic this trail has been getting lately. I used to go up there and never see another biker but now everytime I go there there are at least a few other riders. Watch out on the upper sections, I saw a few strategically placed rocks in a few of the good lines. I'm not sure if they were actually put there by someone or if they just fell off the hill and landed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    I am surprised by the amount of traffic this trail has been getting lately. I used to go up there and never see another biker but now everytime I go there there are at least a few other riders. Watch out on the upper sections, I saw a few strategically placed rocks in a few of the good lines. I'm not sure if they were actually put there by someone or if they just fell off the hill and landed there.
    Thanks for the warning! A couple of years ago, someone was definitely putting rocks across the trails to slow (or snag) bikers. Hope that's not starting again!

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    I'm riding it tomorrow morning from the SV side. Nobody up there on weekdays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    No it's quite easy just use the PM function to find out. Problems arise from posting that kind of info on a public forum.

    1. People park in front of home owners houses making a punch of noise, leaving trash and many other forms of being inconsiderate. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    2. People ride stuff with no info get in over there heads get hurt and heli-vaced out. That gets thing closed and destroyed.

    3. People post direction and the rangers browse these forums to find locations of outlaw trails. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    4. High traffic and rude riders on the trails upset hikers and equestrians. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    When things closed and destroyed, the builders and local riders are sad.

    This trail is a few hours away from S.D. but I'm sure they have the same problems. I've been riding this trail since the mid 90's and have done my part to not cause any problems here. PM me if you need more details.

    Good luck and happy Tails.

    Oh please, this trail is not hard to find. People know about it, its one, if not the best dh trail in a 50 mile radius. Also its part of a natural park, its not like they can just pick the trail up and remove it. Its north of LA off of the 101 freeway. Theres tons of riding in the canyons up there, just ask one rider on the way up and Im sure they will tell you how to get there, its pretty easy. I say the more the marrier, I encourage mountain biking not act like its a secret club, the sport is too small in my opinion. Thing we should be concerned about is the runaway rattlesnake population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exclorlator
    Oh please, this trail is not hard to find. People know about it, its one, if not the best dh trail in a 50 mile radius. Also its part of a natural park, its not like they can just pick the trail up and remove it. Its north of LA off of the 101 freeway. Theres tons of riding in the canyons up there, just ask one rider on the way up and Im sure they will tell you how to get there, its pretty easy. I say the more the marrier, I encourage mountain biking not act like its a secret club, the sport is too small in my opinion. Thing we should be concerned about is the runaway rattlesnake population.
    nah ...keeping (even known) illegal trails on the down low is still best policy until we have more open up
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    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    No it's quite easy just use the PM function to find out. Problems arise from posting that kind of info on a public forum.

    1. People park in front of home owners houses making a punch of noise, leaving trash and many other forms of being inconsiderate. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    2. People ride stuff with no info get in over there heads get hurt and heli-vaced out. That gets thing closed and destroyed.

    3. People post direction and the rangers browse these forums to find locations of outlaw trails. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    4. High traffic and rude riders on the trails upset hikers and equestrians. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    When things closed and destroyed, the builders and local riders are sad.

    This trail is a few hours away from S.D. but I'm sure they have the same problems. I've been riding this trail since the mid 90's and have done my part to not cause any problems here. PM me if you need more details.

    Good luck and happy Tails.
    I was going to disagree with the PMing aspect of directions etc. until I read this post... now here I stand with a reversal of opinion...

    Regardless as to what side of the fence you are on... the trail reviews section of this site seems to be pretty informative for trail info etc...
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