Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 75
  1. #1
    If you think you can
    Reputation: 62kona's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    1,043

    Suicide trail!!!

    Just wondering who on here has ridden it and cleaned everything on it? I did it for my first time today, damn its a fun trail. It really humbled me though. There is some pretty big stuff there. Props to the builders!

  2. #2
    Three Wheeler Expert
    Reputation: crazyjohnny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    339
    fun trail. I love hanging out in the caves on my way up. They are at least 10 degrees cooler. There are some fun trails around here.
    SEND IT TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    The one in oak park? I ride it a few times a week, its a really fun fast trail, i just wish it was steeper

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    Quote Originally Posted by 62kona
    Just wondering who on here has ridden it and cleaned everything on it?
    What does a tidy trail look like?

  5. #5
    Glad to Be Alive
    Reputation: SHIVER ME TIMBERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    42,758
    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    What does a tidy trail look like?
    love soapy clean trails that smell lemon scented
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

  6. #6
    R.I.P. DogFriend
    Reputation: jeffj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    6,547
    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    What does a tidy trail look like?
    It looks like this :

    http://www.smmtc.org/pix_Los_Robles_COSCA_20080322.htm

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    I feel your pain the before shots look better to me too.

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Cannon858's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    91
    Is this trail in the San Diego area? If so, can you tell me where please.

  9. #9
    Three Wheeler Expert
    Reputation: crazyjohnny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    339
    Trail is out in the XXX, not San Diego. I wish they didn't get rid of the ruts.
    Last edited by crazyjohnny; 06-29-2008 at 11:22 PM.
    SEND IT TO THE MOON!!!!!!!!

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    No and No this is the type of info you handle privately try PM'ing

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Cannon858's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    91
    Are you kidding me?! Do I need a secret code to find out where this top secret trail is too?? It's like pulling teeth just to get info from "fellow riders" in this area. It's terrible that I'm realizing one thing from creating an account on this website, and that is, there are alot more tools and a$$ clowns riding bikes than I ever thought... Thanks for the help!

  12. #12
    Equal opportunity meanie
    Reputation: DHidiot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    2,781
    If that's your attitude, you don't need to be riding that trail.

    Where were there ever any ruts on it to begin with??
    805

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    No it's quite easy just use the PM function to find out. Problems arise from posting that kind of info on a public forum.

    1. People park in front of home owners houses making a punch of noise, leaving trash and many other forms of being inconsiderate. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    2. People ride stuff with no info get in over there heads get hurt and heli-vaced out. That gets thing closed and destroyed.

    3. People post direction and the rangers browse these forums to find locations of outlaw trails. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    4. High traffic and rude riders on the trails upset hikers and equestrians. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    When things closed and destroyed, the builders and local riders are sad.

    This trail is a few hours away from S.D. but I'm sure they have the same problems. I've been riding this trail since the mid 90's and have done my part to not cause any problems here. PM me if you need more details.

    Good luck and happy Tails.

  14. #14
    If you think you can
    Reputation: 62kona's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    1,043
    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    No it's quite easy just use the PM function to find out. Problems arise from posting that kind of info on a public forum.

    1. People park in front of home owners houses making a punch of noise, leaving trash and many other forms of being inconsiderate. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    2. People ride stuff with no info get in over there heads get hurt and heli-vaced out. That gets thing closed and destroyed.

    3. People post direction and the rangers browse these forums to find locations of outlaw trails. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    4. High traffic and rude riders on the trails upset hikers and equestrians. That gets things closed and destroyed.

    When things closed and destroyed, the builders and local riders are sad.

    This trail is a few hours away from S.D. but I'm sure they have the same problems. I've been riding this trail since the mid 90's and have done my part to not cause any problems here. PM me if you need more details.

    Good luck and happy Tails.
    Right on. Lets keep it open!

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    Its not like the rangers dont know about this trail, its been there forever and they plow it as far as they can ever few years to make a firebreak. In fact they just plowed the lower part like 3 weeks ago so its all sandy and loose. When you ride it just be nice to the hikers because there are alot of them even though it is a dh trail

  16. #16
    "Ride Lots" - Eddie Mercx
    Reputation: Yeti_Rider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    1,317
    Quote Originally Posted by Cannon858
    Is this trail in the San Diego area? If so, can you tell me where please.
    north of San Diego. far enough to drive that it isn't a trip you'd make just to ride it.

    YR

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Cannon858's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    91
    Thanks for the help Trail Bait. I'll be asking around about this one once I've been through some of the closer trails.

  18. #18
    Glad to Be Alive
    Reputation: SHIVER ME TIMBERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    42,758
    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    If that's your attitude, you don't need to be riding that trail.

    Where were there ever any ruts on it to begin with??
    before your time....that place is a sidewalk compared to what it use to be
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

  19. #19
    Glad to Be Alive
    Reputation: SHIVER ME TIMBERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    42,758
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    Its not like the rangers dont know about this trail, its been there forever and they plow it as far as they can ever few years to make a firebreak. In fact they just plowed the lower part like 3 weeks ago so its all sandy and loose. When you ride it just be nice to the hikers because there are alot of them even though it is a dh trail

    ummmm actually you could drive up that fireroad in the early 70's
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    ummmm actually you could drive up that fireroad in the early 70's

    you could drive up dead cow trail along time ago[the trail you hike up to get to suicide] but you could never actually drive up suicide

  21. #21
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bobby Peru's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    474
    Jeez Trail Bait, you're getting all edumacated n stuff on us now! I kind of like it, you must wear glasses because you are the smart type, huh?

    Whenever someone says "happy trails" I think of the Van Halen version... bumb a de da, bumb a de da....

    How long 'till we go to Northstar?
    "Well I don't drink as much as I ought to."

    ~Jerry Jeff Walker~

  22. #22

  23. #23
    Glad to Be Alive
    Reputation: SHIVER ME TIMBERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    42,758
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    you could drive up dead cow trail along time ago[the trail you hike up to get to suicide] but you could never actually drive up suicide
    from my understanding....suey too
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

  24. #24
    Glad to Be Alive
    Reputation: SHIVER ME TIMBERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    42,758
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru

    How long 'till we go to Northstar?
    Mammoth in 2 weeks
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    Bob don't bother debating this with him he wasn't even alive back than. Have fun in Mammoth.

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS
    from my understanding....suey too
    hey bob what happened to our race down suicide?

  27. #27
    ____________
    Reputation: Roaming Oregon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    872
    Haha. That trail was made by Jake Watson (RIP) so long ago.. It's changed so much over the years. It was at it's peak for straight DH in the late 90's.

    trail bait has it right. No matter how many people know about the trail I'd still hold by "if you know you know, if not than meet someone who know's- if they are smart they will share if you are cool, and avoid you if you're not." yeah- it sucks but that's just the way it seems to work...

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    118

    4WD only

    Suicide (aka Jake's Run, aka Waterpipe) is the old dozer road to the stock watering pond at the southeast corner of China Flats. The pipeline was just east of the road (generally), not along the road, which zig-zags a bit. I've been up and down it in an FJ45, but it wasn't really "driving", more like "scratchin' for traction" in several places. King James fire road, on the other hand, was easy for a stock '68 bug, and a frequent lunch spot when I was in high school. Both routes are now badly eroded and overgrown, which makes 'em better for riding, doncha know!

  29. #29
    ____________
    Reputation: Roaming Oregon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    872
    HaHa- you just aged yourself a bit... I think my first time down that trail was around 1996... I used to walk/run/hike up it all the time when training for XC too. I still remember vividly the day Jake Watson died. I was working at DB and even though he didn't ride for DB at the time the calls kept coming in...

  30. #30
    That's gonna leave a mark
    Reputation: Upchuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,631
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    you could drive up dead cow trail along time ago[the trail you hike up to get to suicide] but you could never actually drive up suicide
    Some of us actually RIDE up the Cow to get to Sui.
    Fat fanatic.

    "Where the Fox Hat?" Endurance Team
    SoCal Colavita Road/MTB club

  31. #31
    That's gonna leave a mark
    Reputation: Upchuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,631
    Quote Originally Posted by Roaming Oregon
    HaHa- you just aged yourself a bit... I think my first time down that trail was around 1996... I used to walk/run/hike up it all the time when training for XC too. I still remember vividly the day Jake Watson died. I was working at DB and even though he didn't ride for DB at the time the calls kept coming in...
    I was doing practice runs on the DH course up at Keyesville the day he went down. We were about 50 yards away when it happened. Most of the Pro riders were too broken up to race the next day.

    There were probably over 50 of us who rode in the funeral procession. He was a huge guy with an equally big heart. For a long while, there was a sign at the top of Sui with his name on it.
    Fat fanatic.

    "Where the Fox Hat?" Endurance Team
    SoCal Colavita Road/MTB club

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    edited, i probably shouldn't post stuff like that if rangers browse these boards
    Last edited by jamesdc; 07-03-2008 at 10:07 PM.

  33. #33
    Trying a little
    Reputation: dusthuffer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,781
    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    Ha ha that's Norm in those pics

    B.U.S.T.E.D.!

    I never apologize. I'm sorry, but that's just the way I am.

  34. #34
    Equal opportunity meanie
    Reputation: DHidiot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    2,781
    It's really interesting how similar of a flow that Suicide and the DH track that killed Jake Watson have. Radically different terrain, trails with really similar pace. I'm still not 100% sure what part of the old Keyesville course he died on, but I have a general idea.

    On many maps, Suicide still shows as a road which is funny. There's only a couple spots where it's a real stretch to imagine it ever being a road.
    805

  35. #35
    That's gonna leave a mark
    Reputation: Upchuck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,631
    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    It's really interesting how similar of a flow that Suicide and the DH track that killed Jake Watson have. Radically different terrain, trails with really similar pace. I'm still not 100% sure what part of the old Keyesville course he died on, but I have a general idea.

    On many maps, Suicide still shows as a road which is funny. There's only a couple spots where it's a real stretch to imagine it ever being a road.
    He died on the Flying Dutchman. They don't always use that section though. It's way up near the top.

    Basically it's a fairly fast and easy downhill stretch to a large granite boulder that you have to ride over that leads you to a rocky, rutted descent. Most guys rode over and down the boulder. It was really tricky because it's off-camber with loose DG on the face.

    Jake and a few others figured they could make up some serious time by launching off the boulder and flying over the next section. You had to land in a small clear patch way down the trail. He managed to nail the landing, but the fork and shock couldn't handle the impact and threw him into the air.

    Prior to Jake's attempt, two other riders hit the landing but were seriously injured: one with a neck injury, the other with head trauma.
    Fat fanatic.

    "Where the Fox Hat?" Endurance Team
    SoCal Colavita Road/MTB club

  36. #36
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    783
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottR1
    Suicide (aka Jake's Run, aka Waterpipe) is the old dozer road to the stock watering pond at the southeast corner of China Flats. The pipeline was just east of the road (generally), not along the road, which zig-zags a bit. I've been up and down it in an FJ45, but it wasn't really "driving", more like "scratchin' for traction" in several places. King James fire road, on the other hand, was easy for a stock '68 bug, and a frequent lunch spot when I was in high school. Both routes are now badly eroded and overgrown, which makes 'em better for riding, doncha know!
    It's interesting to hear from someone who actually drove those trails! When was that? It's not such a stretch to think of driving King James - there's even an old car off the trail near the top. But Sui is seriously steep in some places, and hard to imagine driving. There must have been erosion to remove lots of dirt in some stretches. (Did the road go straight to the stock pond, where it's not rideable now, or did it cut over where the trail goes now?)

    My first time on Sui was when I was just out exploring - except I "rode" (i.e., mostly pushed) my fully rigid Trek up in 1993 or so. It was an exciting ride down, more than my bike or I was up to, so it was a few years before I really rode it. As you say, it's much better for riding now that it's eroded.

  37. #37
    Equal opportunity meanie
    Reputation: DHidiot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    2,781
    Quote Originally Posted by Upchuck
    He died on the Flying Dutchman. They don't always use that section though. It's way up near the top.

    Basically it's a fairly fast and easy downhill stretch to a large granite boulder that you have to ride over that leads you to a rocky, rutted descent. Most guys rode over and down the boulder. It was really tricky because it's off-camber with loose DG on the face.

    Jake and a few others figured they could make up some serious time by launching off the boulder and flying over the next section. You had to land in a small clear patch way down the trail. He managed to nail the landing, but the fork and shock couldn't handle the impact and threw him into the air.

    Prior to Jake's attempt, two other riders hit the landing but were seriously injured: one with a neck injury, the other with head trauma.
    Is that one of the main lines on DF trail? It sounds familiar...
    805

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vikingrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottR1
    Suicide (aka Jake's Run, aka Waterpipe) is the old dozer road to the stock watering pond at the southeast corner of China Flats. The pipeline was just east of the road (generally), not along the road, which zig-zags a bit. I've been up and down it in an FJ45, but it wasn't really "driving", more like "scratchin' for traction" in several places. King James fire road, on the other hand, was easy for a stock '68 bug, and a frequent lunch spot when I was in high school. Both routes are now badly eroded and overgrown, which makes 'em better for riding, doncha know!
    Thanks for that interesting info

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WzEkB7zs560&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WzEkB7zs560&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

  40. #40
    Equal opportunity meanie
    Reputation: DHidiot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    2,781
    That video was depressing.
    805

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    That video was depressing.
    Hey jack I made that video.
    Yeah, I guess we all are lame compared to you, but at least they all showed up when they said they would and didn't flake out like you. I have no respect for you, your opinion is worth what I sent down the toilet bowl.
    Maybe I shouldn't take that comment so seriously considering it was posted at 1:00 am, get some sleep, you'll feel better in the morning.

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    Quote Originally Posted by DHidiot
    That video was depressing.

    shut up gordon, your just mad because your sitting at home crying and masturbating because your so lonely

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    45
    yea gordon... god damn, learn how to drive in an extended cab truck at least

  44. #44
    Equal opportunity meanie
    Reputation: DHidiot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    2,781
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdc
    shut up gordon, your just mad because your sitting at home crying and masturbating because your so lonely
    Or out riding many many shuttle runs after work and making bills. I only wish I had time to cry and masturbate. These kinds of things need to be planned about a week out. With limited time I'd have to multi-task and cry, wank, and clean the house.
    805

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    623
    How many feet is that drop?

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    938
    Quote Originally Posted by LowLow
    How many feet is that drop?
    little one 3ft, middle one 5ft, big one 8ft, drop that used to go into the corner 3ft

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Posts
    143
    what's the preferred loop? I was thinking park at Oak canyon park. ride up through the park, then up dead cow, down suicide, then Kanan back to the park?

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation: trail bait's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    556
    That's a good loop, I think parking by the Dead Cow trail head doing the the loop and at the bottom of Sui going right through the park is better than going around Kanan.

  49. #49
    Glad to Be Alive
    Reputation: SHIVER ME TIMBERS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    42,758
    Quote Originally Posted by trail bait
    Hey jack I made that video.
    Yeah, I guess we all are lame compared to you, but at least they all showed up when they said they would and didn't flake out like you. I have no respect for you, your opinion is worth what I sent down the toilet bowl.
    .

    I support you 100% on that Steve.....ask WCH about the shock and jumping of DHIdiots bike....funny shiat...I have some stuff too
    the trick is ENJOYING YOUR LIFE EACH DAY, don't waste them away wishing for better days

  50. #50
    Birthday Collector
    Reputation: ATBScott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,580
    Depressing? Looks like a few guys having some fun to me. Going about as large as I am willing to at my age! Only thing depressing to me is all the burned skeletons of brush from the fires. Looks like things are recovering though. Seems to be NorCal's turn for the roastie-toasties this year. Still a bit smoky here in the Bay Area. Have to get down to SD soon for a break from the Hickory-smoked lungs after each ride...
    R.I.P. Corky 10/97-4/09
    Disclaimer: I sell and repair bikes for a living
    http://www.endlesscyclesonline.com

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •