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    Stowe Trail - what's the plan?

    So this came by email from SDMBA:

    Trail Work: Stowe Trail
    Saturday, January 28th 7:30 am - 1 pm
    Sycamore Goodan Ranch, Map Link

    The time is finally here to get the Stowe Trail ready for permitted use, which will begin in February 2017. This partnership project between MCAS Miramar, SDMBA, and the trail user community is a vital step in opening this historic route between Santee and Poway connecting open spaces and the surrounding communities.

    All volunteers must register HERE.

    Goal for the day: Decommission side trails that extend to the west of the main Stowe alignment and deeper into MCAS Miramar property. Work will include brushing and blocking off trail access on pre-determined alignments as well as turning the soil tread to encourage native plant growth.
    The work area extends south from the southern gate at Sycamore Goodan Ranch to the treatment plant at the North end of Santee Lakes.

    Participants will park at the dirt lot at the end of Sycamore Park Drive off Hwy. 67. Please arrive at this lot after 7:30 a.m. and before 8 a.m. so we can stage all volunteer quickly.

    What to bring: Please come prepared with water, snacks, sunscreen, work gloves, eye protection, long pants/long sleeves/layers appropriate to weather conditions, closed toed, sturdy shoes and anything else for a safe and comfortable day.

    Because of the logistics involved with this event, we encourage all participants to commit to the entire work day.

    SDMBA will provide tools, morning snacks, trail snacks and lunch. Additional water will be available to fill up bottles/packs.

    All volunteers will be required to sign a volunteer agreement/waiver provided by the Marines at the event.

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    Last time I was out that way at Sycamore I saw a bunch of marker flags in the fireroad in the middle of the canyon. Is the plan to close all of the parallel singletracks and just leave the road in the middle? Will the singletracks on both sides of the road be shut down or just the ones that are deeper on MCAS land (to the north/west of the road)?

    Seems like it would be very wise to build the new trails before decommissioning the old ones based on past experiences in Spring, Oak, and Penaquitos Canyons. There is a history in our county of shutting down existing trails quickly and then very slowly, or never, building the new ones. Then the old trails get reopened illegally or new unauthorized trails get cut to meet demand for trails.

    Thanks to everybody in SDMBA working to make a viable connector for these trail systems. I just hope it isn't a big flat fireroad down the middle.

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    Excerpt from the SDMBA Advocacy minutes:

    Marines say they will implement permitting process for access to Stowe Trail in early 2017. Permitting will include online background check; minors do not need a permit.

    Each person who wants to ride on the Stowe trail will have to register with the Marines at Miramar for a annual permit. The permit is valid only for the registered owner (think fishing licence). The process is in the works but not finalized yet. Part of the process has to be the clear and permanent marking of a limit line.

    All the markers seen out there are Absolute markers, meaning you can be detained and ticketed if you proceed beyond them in a North/West direction. Unfortunately the Marines would not negotiate beyond that boarder so much of the single track that winds through the canyon has to be closed. The good news is any trails that to not cross that line should remain intact. All trails other trail in the canyon will remain open BUT, again, you can be detained and ticketed without a valid permit as stated above.

    If you are interested in helping get the trails to a legal status, there is a trail day on Jan 28.

    You can find out more and register to help here --> Stowe Trail Work Day, Jan 28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    Last time I was out that way at Sycamore I saw a bunch of marker flags in the fireroad in the middle of the canyon. Is the plan to close all of the parallel singletracks and just leave the road in the middle? Will the singletracks on both sides of the road be shut down or just the ones that are deeper on MCAS land (to the north/west of the road)?

    Seems like it would be very wise to build the new trails before decommissioning the old ones based on past experiences in Spring, Oak, and Penaquitos Canyons. There is a history in our county of shutting down existing trails quickly and then very slowly, or never, building the new ones. Then the old trails get reopened illegally or new unauthorized trails get cut to meet demand for trails.

    Thanks to everybody in SDMBA working to make a viable connector for these trail systems. I just hope it isn't a big flat fireroad down the middle.
    The Goal of the Stowe Trail is to re-open a former right-of-way to the public. It is the flat fire road that runs north from Santee Lakes to Gooden Ranch. This route, and this route ONLY is what will be opened up. Al the side trails ( e.g. Fun Stuff like Switch Backs, Log Jumps, etc., ) will be strictly off limits.
    Overall, this is a good thing. SDMBA has worked very hard (Thanks Kevin!) along with the County of SD just to get us this.
    So let's celebrate this, and help out anyway we can!

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    You should not ride that area until it is open.

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    I assumed the switchbacks and trails over there would be off limits because they are relatively deep into MCAS land. I was referring more to the singletrack trails that parallel the fire road and are outside (south/east) of the "absolute markers" described by bankerboy.

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    At this time, all trails outside of the base boundary markers but still fall within base easement are not going to be impacted. Hopefully people don't go batshit crazy and take it as a permission slip to build. That will be a sure cause of harm to the ability to ride the Stowe trail in the future.

    So, if it there and on the east/south side of the boundary it is ok. Cross the line and it could get ugly really fast. You can bet your bottom dollar the Marines will be watching it closely for compliance once permitted/licensed access is allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingScott View Post
    This route, and this route ONLY is what will be opened up. Al the side trails ( e.g. Fun Stuff like Switch Backs, Log Jumps, etc., ) will be strictly off limits.

    Overall, this is a good thing.
    Somebody's been drinking the Kool-aid...

    While I greatly appreciate the efforts of the SDMBA to get this connector re-opened, I will not buy in to the idea that the closing of the existing singletrack is a good thing in any way shape or form. The singletrack through the valley was no more intrusive on their property than the fire road and, as others have pointed out numerous times, this will only lead to more rouge trail building.



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    What more to we know about this permit:
    Cost?
    How to obtain?
    Where will one enter to use the trail from the north/south?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEB View Post
    What more to we know about this permit:
    Cost?
    How to obtain?
    Where will one enter to use the trail from the north/south?
    Supposedly no cost but a few hoops to jump through. Here's a link to an article in the San Diego Reader with the current scoop: Miramar Marines to reopen Stowe Trail for bikes | San Diego Reader

    Trail markers are appearing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dseybert View Post
    I will not buy in to the idea that the closing of the existing singletrack is a good thing in any way shape or form.
    If the always illegal singletracks are sitting there as carrots, regardless of the rules, someone will rationalize that he/she is above them and once one rider uses them others will rationalize that they can too and so on and so on. Access to Stowe Trail goes away and good luck getting it back.

    I'm not asking anyone to like it but let's be honest with ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodster View Post
    If the always illegal singletracks are sitting there as carrots, regardless of the rules, someone will rationalize that he/she is above them and once one rider uses them others will rationalize that they can too and so on and so on. Access to Stowe Trail goes away and good luck getting it back.

    I'm not asking anyone to like it but let's be honest with ourselves.
    Its my understanding that they will be closing the redundant single track that goes through the Base. That's what the volunteer event on April 1st will be doing:

    https://www.facebook.com/events/3395..._history%22%3A[%7B%22surface%22%3A%22page%22%2C%22mechanism%22%3A %22main_list%22%2C%22extra_data%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22p age_id%5C%22%3A71076071171%2C%5C%22tour_id%5C%22%3 Anull%7D%22%7D]%2C%22has_source%22%3Atrue%7D

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