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    Stereotypes of Oregon

    Hey, this is a completely random, non-bike related question but I have been very curious lately what Californians, specifically Southern Californians think of the state of Oregon and Oregonians in general. The reason I ask is that I was born and raised in Oregon but my family is from L.A., San Diego and Mexico, and I often hear people say things about Californian's that really aren't true so I wondered if the same was the case for Oregonians. My family really isn't a wealth of information on the subject so I thought I would try asking here. Please don't worry about offending me in any way, and thanks for any info you have. If you are really interested I could relate some of stereotypes Oregonians have regarding Southern California!

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    I’m sure I’ve met and possibly even known plenty of people from Oregon over the years without knowing about their roots.

    I briefly dated and still maintain contact with a woman from Oregon who is completely the opposite of the “stereotype.” Firstly, she’s hot. Secondly, she’s half Hispanic. I think those two attributes right there fly in the face of preconceived notions.

    Then you have my neighbors. Well, they’re not really my neighbors. They’re a few doors down the block. But oh man do they really stand out. They are straight out your “typical” Oregon folk. I mean they come right out of a Beverly Hills Hillbillies episode, except with domestic disputes at 3 a.m., a free-roaming cat that pees on everyone’s patio furniture, a big truck, and weekends when they’re working on their vehicles in their garage and also out in the street.

    Is it a coincidence that they’re from Oregon? Personally, I think it is. There are people like that all over southern California who are like that and aren’t from Oregon. I believe I need only venture into Lakeside or Santee to know that. BTW, I have friends in both of those cities, and I know they’re not from Oregon.

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    Being 31 and living in Socal my entire life I don't think I have ever heard anyone say anything negative about Oregon or the people who live there.

    My Aunt n Uncle moved up there in the mid-90's and my mom moved up about 7 years ago. Personally I love the place and would consider moving there.
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    I personally haven't heard anything bad about oregon, just some jokes that its full of "Burnt Out Hippies"
    Personally, i love Oregon, i was VERY close to leaving O.C. and going to Oregon State, and i would love to live up in the Pacific Northwest.

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    Hippies, flannel wearing rednecks, pot smokers, beards, drunks.

    I grew up in NE portland in the 80/90's, it was more like compton than anything else.

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    Having lived in and having friends in both places; I would say because of all the people from Oregon who moved to SoCal and all the people from SoCal who have moved to Oregon; it's hard to get a read on it.

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    That people from Oregon....

    Really believe Bigfoot is real...
    They wear sock and sandals together...
    They are descended from pioneers that got lost on the way to California...
    They are the closest thing America has to Canadians...
    They love living in Oregon but can't explain to you why...
    That Oregon is correctly pronounced Ory-gone or Organ...
    That they are gullible people, I mean people say that but its not really true...is it?
    That Oregon is famous for cement, but only cement, nothing else...

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    That they hate Californians for buying up land and driving up property prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisRayner
    That they hate Californians for buying up land and driving up property prices.
    That one is true.

    I was shocked at property values in my parent's neighborhood which used to be the ghetto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_slacker
    That one is true.

    I was shocked at property values in my parent's neighborhood which used to be the ghetto.
    Yeah because NINJA loans and nation-wide bubble financing had nothing to do with it...

    I love Oregon. I've been there twice and everyone was super friendly. As for my stereotype, from what I've read online at forums like mtbr and city-data, Oregon is just like any other state that hates people from california moving to their state. I find it amusing because I don't hate other people that move from other states to california. I mean, everyone has to live somewhere, right?

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    I believe the term that has come into exsistence is "Californication".
    "Don't Californicate our State"

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    Oregonians were *****ing about this in the early 90's, well before the 0 down interest only 550 credit score loans. And don't read in too much to my posts. *I* don't care that californians moved to oregon and housing prices adjusted appropriately. Thats supply and demand, and I'm a regulated free market type of guy. I was just saying the stereotype is true, lots of oregonians do love to ***** about this.

    I on the other hand got sick of the rain and moved to california in the mid 90's.

    CA doesn't ***** because they need people to move there. They grew their spending way out of proportion with their population growth. They can either raise taxes (did that) or get more population.

    Quote Originally Posted by tribune
    Yeah because NINJA loans and nation-wide bubble financing had nothing to do with it...

    I love Oregon. I've been there twice and everyone was super friendly. As for my stereotype, from what I've read online at forums like mtbr and city-data, Oregon is just like any other state that hates people from california moving to their state. I find it amusing because I don't hate other people that move from other states to california. I mean, everyone has to live somewhere, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_slacker

    CA doesn't ***** because they need people to move there. They grew their spending way out of proportion with their population growth. They can either raise taxes (did that) or get more population.
    Of course the state fell out of finances because property tax revenue evaporated when the housing market crashed. We would need a population density like that of Tokyo, Japan if we want property values to return to previous levels without exotic lending.

    And from the looks of it, I think we already have enough people here. The way I see it, the problem is that too many of those people aren’t carrying their weight –either voluntarily or involuntarily.

    The only solution I can see to this dilemma without being packed together like sardines in a can is to figure a way to bring big business back to California, and to cut back on social programs.

    It sucks to suddenly leave people out in the cold, but not everyone can be on welfare. And I do remember hearing that disability & welfare fraud are at somewhere around the 50% level anyway.

    I’d like to see about 20% of the population just pack their things and leave for a more affordable state. The problem is they will do just about anything including robbing the government to keep living here. So what it boils down to is that they are living on my dime, while I was the one who busted ass through college while working 2 jobs.

    Another thing we need to do away with is a whole grip of relatives purchasing a single family home like it’s some kind of retirement portfolio that they’re all buying into. Those people are also the ones who contributed to the bubble.

    Just my opinion.

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    Too short a view. The housing crash was just the breeze that toppled the house of cards. CA has been growing its spending out of line with its population growth since the early 90's. In 1990 the state had a law that limited spending to population growth + inflation and took into account change in per capita income. Which is how you SHOULD run state finances. Prop 111 got passed supposedly as traffic congestion abatement, but it re-did how the spending limit was calculated. That was the start of the massive government spending increases and the result you can see today.

    Revenue isn't the issue, CA state revenue has increased massively in the last 20 years. Why then is the government continuing to enact new taxes and selling it as keeping cops on the streets, kids in school and all the other ******** they pedal?

    There has to be hard spending discipline built into state law. Thats going to mean lowering the per capita spending to a reasonable level. Thats going to mean unpopular decisions, not just related to welfare and social programs. We're talking bringing government employee wages and benefits inline with the private sector. And layoffs. And reducing or eliminating non-essential programs or services you might enjoy. Its a bitter pill to swallow but its the way to get CA (which is the best state in the country to live IMO, putting finances aside) back on track.

    Wait, what was this thread about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisRayner
    That they hate Californians for buying up land and driving up property prices.
    Not if you were selling your OR property. You would gladly sell it to someone from CA for 20% more than an Oregonian.

    My guess is those in Oregon have far more stereotypes about those from California than vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_slacker
    Too short a view. The housing crash was just the breeze that toppled the house of cards. CA has been growing its spending out of line with its population growth since the early 90's. In 1990 the state had a law that limited spending to population growth + inflation and took into account change in per capita income. Which is how you SHOULD run state finances. Prop 111 got passed supposedly as traffic congestion abatement, but it re-did how the spending limit was calculated. That was the start of the massive government spending increases and the result you can see today.

    Revenue isn't the issue, CA state revenue has increased massively in the last 20 years. Why then is the government continuing to enact new taxes and selling it as keeping cops on the streets, kids in school and all the other ******** they pedal?

    There has to be hard spending discipline built into state law. Thats going to mean lowering the per capita spending to a reasonable level. Thats going to mean unpopular decisions, not just related to welfare and social programs. We're talking bringing government employee wages and benefits inline with the private sector. And layoffs. And reducing or eliminating non-essential programs or services you might enjoy. Its a bitter pill to swallow but its the way to get CA (which is the best state in the country to live IMO, putting finances aside) back on track.

    Wait, what was this thread about?

    Your views are a bit all over the place. You say revenue isn’t the issue, yet in your previous post you point out tax increases and population growth as solutions? Tax increases and population growth amount to revenue for government coffers.

    But, I agree that spending is the problem, which is why I said cutting back on social programs is a factor in the big picture. So, we are in agreement on that. However, ultimately the housing market crash is the most direct and identifiable cause for the current budget deficit amounting in the billions. Sure, spending is out of control. No one is arguing with that.

    But, if property tax revenue and various other revenues that are derived from a healthy economy were present, we wouldn’t be even talking about this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrisRayner
    I believe the term that has come into exsistence is "Californication".
    "Don't Californicate our State"
    I first heard that term from a native Coloradan, back about 1974 or so. It was the battle cry in fighting having the winter Olympics in Denver. When I was there last summer, it appeared to me urban sprawl and generic development there had missed no tricks as compared to urban areas of California.

    I've been to Oregon a few times over the years, hitting various parts of the state. It's a beautiful place. How you maintain a unique sense of place while copying successful ideas from elsewhere is a mystery to me. Best of luck with that.

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    Wow, this thread really went a different direction than I anticipated but I still really appreciate all of your input!

    I can't really speak to California's economy but it does seem that your state was hurt more by the housing bubble, while Oregon has been in serious decline since the logging of federal lands was halted in the early 90's. However, I can say for certain that people living in both of our states are up on some hard times. We are both consistently in the top five states in terms of unemployment and we are both heavily and disproportionately taxed.

    As far as "Californication", obviously California is a large place, both geographically and in population, with roughly the same number of citizens living in the San Diego metropolitan area that live in the entire state of Oregon, so it's inevitable that issues will transcend borders. And while many Oregonians are upset by the impact our southern neighbors have on us, I see the same issue within our own states, where eastern Oregonians and Californians feel dominated by the more populated western regions. To me, it's just another aspect of life in Oregon, like the rain and trees there's always California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    I can't really speak to California's economy but it does seem that your state was hurt more by the housing bubble, while Oregon has been in serious decline since the logging of federal lands was halted in the early 90's.
    Of course there are other factors that play into the state’s status of fiscal emergency. However, the housing bubble is the main culprit in the decline of tax revenue for the state budget.

    This is due to the fact that California experienced the nation’s highest housing market price levels during the bubble, so that when the bubble popped, a larger margin of tax revenue decline resulted in comparison to other states.

    In other words, the housing bubble is not so much a major source of Oregon's problems, but that's only because the bubble wasn't that big over there to begin with. Quite the opposite with California.

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    That wasn't my solution at all, its how californian politicians think. Sorry for not being clear on that. They can't fathom disciplined spending, they can only think of ways to get more money. That is what led them to this "crisis". Again, the income shortfall is only one side of it.

    Say you're an electrician that makes 50k a year and suddenly there is a lot of construction in your area that allows you to boost your income to 100k. Hells yeah, you go out and buy a new truck, sell your old house and buy a bigger one with a pool. 2 years later the construction surge is over and the builders don't need you anymore. Your income drops back down to 50k. Crisis.

    What if you'd bought a newer used truck for cash and kept the same house but upgraded it a little. Invested some of the money and saved the rest. Weathering hard times.

    CA is in a crisis instead of weathering hard times, and the reason is pretty clear.

    I know this is a simplistic remedial middle school financial example, but CA leaders can't grasp it. They pay lip service to it, remember prop 58 a few years ago? It was supposed to require the government to do a year by year balanced budget and establish a "rainy day fund" for hard times like now. They passed it, then immediately used short term loans to blow the budget way past income and raided the rainy day fund.

    So when I say revenue isn't the problem, I mean more money is nice unless you blow through it like a teenager spending dad's money.

    Quote Originally Posted by sponger
    Your views are a bit all over the place. You say revenue isn’t the issue, yet in your previous post you point out tax increases and population growth as solutions? Tax increases and population growth amount to revenue for government coffers.

    But, I agree that spending is the problem, which is why I said cutting back on social programs is a factor in the big picture. So, we are in agreement on that. However, ultimately the housing market crash is the most direct and identifiable cause for the current budget deficit amounting in the billions. Sure, spending is out of control. No one is arguing with that.

    But, if property tax revenue and various other revenues that are derived from a healthy economy were present, we wouldn’t be even talking about this subject.

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    Big Slacker, you make too much sense. You'd never make it in elected office here.

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    I've got a brother living in Portland, works in Aloha (Beaverton Valley). I visit often with my bike. Forest Park, a very pretty park just ripe for responsible Mtbiking is nice, but bikes are not allowed on the singletrack (Wildwood trail). Restricted to fire road. There is not any decent mtbiking near town, so a 30 minute MINIMUM car ride (perhaps Scapoose) to a fun ST. Now my brother ships his mtbike here to San Diego once a year for a week of riding. This year it's early April.

    Now where the true oregonians live and ride is mid state in the Eugene/Oakridge/Westfir areas. The Cascades have multiple miles of pure AM single track. Unfortunatly for those folk that live there the ride season is about June thru Oct, the rest of the tme it's rain, snow, ice, mud and deadfall from trees on the trails due to the extreme weather they experience there.

    Get over to Oregon and make your own observations. Politics aside, our two states have alot in common, except they have a few more trees it seems. . .

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    CEB, you can ride powell butte in SE portland, its not half bad. If you hit all the trails I think its a reasonable short length ride and links up with a bike path if you want to do a half road ride.

    Portland is ridiculously bike friendly, maybe the best city in the US. But only for roadies. MTB its almost shocking how limited it is. I don't live there anymore, but it would be nice to see a skills park in town (similar to what the skaters have under the burnside bridge) and some rideable trails in forest park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_slacker
    I know this is a simplistic remedial middle school financial example, but CA leaders can't grasp it. They pay lip service to it, remember prop 58 a few years ago? It was supposed to require the government to do a year by year balanced budget and establish a "rainy day fund" for hard times like now. They passed it, then immediately used short term loans to blow the budget way past income and raided the rainy day fund.
    I’m afraid short-term financing to fund budget deficits is not unique to California. It’s typical of large government operations, including the federal government. It’s simply the way the system works. That’s why prop 58 (i.e. the balanced budget act) was so revolutionary. It flew in the face of conventional public policy.

    In fact, I don’t believe most private-sector businesses to be any different. Running the operations on quick-fix loans to make payroll and fund capital expenditures beyond realistic revenue projections is hardly an alien concept.

    So, when you say, “then they immediately used short term loans to blow the budget way past income and raided the rainy day fund,” what you’re saying is that they went back to their old ways.

    And I of course agree that fiscal mismanagement is no doubt a big, big problem. But, the point I’m making is that the housing crash was such an enormous blow to tax revenues, that the state would still be in a crisis, not just weathering hard times, even if it had stuck to its promise to behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    Hey, this is a completely random, non-bike related question but I have been very curious lately what Californians, specifically Southern Californians think of the state of Oregon and Oregonians in general. The reason I ask is that I was born and raised in Oregon but my family is from L.A., San Diego and Mexico, and I often hear people say things about Californian's that really aren't true so I wondered if the same was the case for Oregonians. My family really isn't a wealth of information on the subject so I thought I would try asking here. Please don't worry about offending me in any way, and thanks for any info you have. If you are really interested I could relate some of stereotypes Oregonians have regarding Southern California!
    There are two kinds of former Californians. The kind that move somewhere and attempt to put their values on the people already there and the kind who move somewhere to get away from the first kind.

    Oregon has a mix, just like every other state in the West (BTW, I've lived in Idaho, Washington, Oregon, and now I live in California).

    I was in Reno to race a motorcycle enduro a couple years ago and saw a cool bumper sticker that simply said "I don't care about how you did it in California."

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    One thing I noticed is people in Oregon don't
    litter. Everything looks clean. People in SoCal
    should learn from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl
    One thing I noticed is people in Oregon don't
    litter. Everything looks clean. People in SoCal
    should learn from this.

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    Just wait till they have a significant latino population.

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    My own view of Oregon first came when I went there back in 1979. My best friend just moved up from LA to Springfield (a suburb of Eugene). He was there 6 months so I went to visit. First thing I noticed was the sign at the border,"Welcome to Oregon - Enjoy Your Visit" (I was later told the key word is "Visit". Next, while driving through Medford a couple rednecks tailgated me for about 5 miles in a beat up truck with a BIG pushbar. I was driving an old Toyota Landcruiser with Cali plates. Then when I got to Springfield a cop tailed me as I hit all the 55 to 35 to 25 mph signs in town. I parked on the street in front of his apartment. The next morning, while standing out front with my friend another cop pulls up and asks me about my visit as he notices my Cali plates. We had a nice chat actually but he recommended I put my truck in the friends parking spot off the street: because of the of Cali plates as Springfield is a conservative town. Had a good time regardless and his new friends were quite warm to meet.

    Years later I dated a girl from Portland. When I went up to visit that city, there was no weird vibe. I really like Portland's layout btw. The clubs were a blast.

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    The type of anti-Californian sentiment you describe was very real but also mostly a 70's thing. In fact, my parents experienced the very same things you described when they first moved up here.

    I live in Eugene and work in Springfield. Eugene is very liberal, consisting mostly of hippies, yuppies and college students. Springfield is very different, being mostly conservative, working class poor families, out of work from the declining timber industry and a large migrant and latino population. Thinking that we're inbred, honky, white bread crackers is quite inaccurate. I'm a teacher and over half my students are minorities, either first or second generation Americans, many from California themselves.

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    At this point in my life I don't think I hold any stereotypes about Oregon. But I do have a story about my first impression of Oregon.

    In 1982, I went on a big road trip in northern California, Oregon, and Washington. I'd already been on lots of other driving trips in other parts of the US. Most places, when you cross a state line, you might see a sign saying "Now Leaving ...", and another sign saying "Welcome to ...". Headed north on Hwy 199, the first sign I saw in Oregon was big, and said something about "Oregon State law requires..." with a bullet point list of items below that. A mile or two further on, there was a much smaller sign saying "Welcome to Oregon". Whether intentional or not, that set a certain tone.

    That said, I had a wonderful visit, and have enjoyed every subsequent visit to the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyc
    Just wait till they have a significant latino population.
    Right...because without latinos, there wouldn't be any litter in California.

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    Did you know they wont let you pump your own gas there in Oregon?
    Thats just plain weird. :-)
    (just kidding it a law I believe)
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    Much laughs in this thread. As a native ory-gonian who's been transplanted down here, I'm not sure what to say.

    Oregon is two states really(Washington is the same way). I've lived on both sides. The west of the state is more or less completely ignorant of the east(they think Bend is eastern OR), and the east is like a mix of Idaho, Montana, and Utah (without any Moab goodness).

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    mordy is right.

    i was born in oregon, went to college there and have lived there almost half my life.

    the i5 corridor is a huge divider between the state.

    the coast is depressed.
    the i5 corridor is green in all ways and considered liberal.
    east of the cascades is all high desert chaparal and very conservative.

    a "big" town in oregon has 80,000 people. hell, san diego county has more people than all of oregon.

    what kind of state has 1/3 of its population in one metro area?
    allows personal use amounts for weed,
    and assisted suicide?
    has a super easy concealed weapons permit process,
    but wont let you pump your gas?
    has no sales tax?

    and yes, for the most part if you are born and raised in OR you want nothing to do with CA. and for most people in southern oregon, the 'bad' part of CA starts below Redding.

    folks in oregon i guess really are americas canadians.......

    i lived in oregon for 16 years and i never wanna go back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordy
    The west of the state is more or less completely ignorant of the east(they think Bend is eastern OR)
    That statement contains more ignorance than I have heard uttered by anyone living in the western half of the state . . . By the way, most people consider Bend eastern BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CASCADES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    That statement contains more ignorance than I have heard uttered by anyone living in the western half of the state . . . By the way, most people consider Bend eastern BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CASCADES!
    I thought you weren't gonna get offended...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sponger
    I thought you weren't gonna get offended...
    Only by Californians. I expect more from native Oregonians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzler
    That statement contains more ignorance than I have heard uttered by anyone living in the western half of the state . . . By the way, most people consider Bend eastern BECAUSE IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CASCADES!
    Oh please. I spent four and a half years on the west side and people there, in general, know very little of the eastern side of the state. Nor do they ever really look at the map. I spent a lot of time educating people on where I came from.

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    I've always thought that Oregonians worry too much about what people from other states think of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisedog
    ... Oregon is famous for cement, but only cement, nothing else...
    You can scratch that one off the list. Portland Cement is named for the Isle of Portland in Dorset, England. Nothing to do with Oregon whatsoever.

    Portland, Oregon was named for Portland, Maine, which was named for a commercial port that was established there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyc
    Just wait till they have a significant latino population.
    Litter - debatable. Tagging/graffiti - directly tied to Latino population. Prescott AZ has tied two trends together - the percentage of Latino population and reports of tagging/graffiti. Sad but true.

    BTW - nice artwork out a Calaveras, those bastards (bastardos?).

    Flame on.

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    yerts

    it's all about the yerts and the yert log book. i don't get it, but someone must think they are neat.

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