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    Spring canyon, the party is over

    If you're willing to accept this, cool.

    If not, here is the most recent work from the city of San Diego. This included a Ranger, a truck and advising people to not ride the "trails that do not exist"


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    More fun at Missing Trails Regional Park.

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    If I could ride through and over that stuff, anyone could. And I know I could.

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    I am not sure a bunch of dead branches is better for the environment or looks better than an existing trail.... Now what are the deer, rabbits and Coyotes going to do, that was the wildlife's trail as well.
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    Spring canyon, the party is over

    The place is a sad joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    The place is a sad joke.
    Agreed, I am done with SD. Did they do anything to any other trails?
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    What "trail" was this? I see the bridge, but I have a hard time discerning which one it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carloswithac View Post
    What "trail" was this? I see the bridge, but I have a hard time discerning which one it is.
    It's the first little bit of singletrack as you head north under the 52. It's about 50 yards long and it runs on a diagonal between the north/south fireroad and the second east/west fireroad. It's not a big deal trail to lose, but it is troubling that they're beginning to shut things down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaan View Post
    It's the first little bit of singletrack as you head north under the 52. It's about 50 yards long and it runs on a diagonal between the north/south fireroad and the second east/west fireroad. It's not a big deal trail to lose, but it is troubling that they're beginning to shut things down.
    This particular trail is kinda redundant because there are 3 other ways through the same area but like you said it is troubling as an indicator of things to come. If they pull the same crap on 3 barrels, toads and some of the other single tracks it would be a real bummer. Lets hope they run out of deadfall.
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    The "Strange Bedfellows" have WON.

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    I wonder what the Fire Marshall thinks about mass spreading of dry tinder in a fire prone area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just me View Post
    I wonder what the Fire Marshall thinks about mass spreading of dry tinder in a fire prone area?
    Go light it on fire and leave a note saying "bad idea".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    I am not sure a bunch of dead branches is better for the environment or looks better than an existing trail.... Now what are the deer, rabbits and Coyotes going to do, that was the wildlife's trail as well.
    Well, I guess they'll have to just HTFU, or the F&W 'occifers' are gonna write them up too! As for us, it looks like time to shop for Lycra!

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    Ok, just a thought... the city rangers don't really want to close trails or be in the enforcement business. They'll only do this stuff to appease the demands on them by the "agencies" (USFW, CDFW). So maybe, just maybe, they've closed this fairly visible but inconsequential trail so they can show the agencies "good faith" and maybe ease up the pressure to do more. Yeah, call me a pollyanna, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over losing this trail.

    BTW, I doubt they'll touch 3 Barrels because most of it is outside of their area of interest (i.e. it's within USMC boundaries).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocd View Post
    If you're willing to accept this, cool.

    If not, here is the most recent work from the city of San Diego. This included a Ranger, a truck and advising people to not ride the "trails that do not exist"


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    This is what Deer Dancer and the squiggly highline trail between it and Teote also looks like now.

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    This is what happens when some trail areas get too popular. Heck, I was hiking up Iron Mountain today and reminisced about the good old days (15-20 years ago) when I used to ride Iron Mountain, Mt Woodson, Black Mountain, MTRP, Cowles Mtn, etc...and there were almost nobody out there except a few hardy bikers and trail runners. Now, all those places are littered with day hikers and w/e wannabees. You used to be able ride ALL the trails in MTRP...now, only those signed with bikes allowed or multi-use. Ahhh, the good ol days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTSO2112 View Post
    This is what happens when some trail areas get too popular.
    Mountain biking got popular again... it had died off for a while but it's back in full swing.

    There's due to be some gnarly trail conflict in Mission Trails. More hikers, more joggers, more bike on the "legal" trails and there's going to be issues.

    Funny thing is, Saturday the ranger was camped out near this mess/just up the hill at Deer Dancer (DD and the squiggly were not covered in deadfall at that time). While this took place, no one seemed to police the organized walk/hike/jog thing that was taking place near the Jackson drive lot. There wasn't sufficient trash cans for the event, they left the trash out in bags. The bags have since been torn open and as of this morning, trash surrounded the parking area (water cups, snack bags, etc). I'm sure the addition of 4 rangers will address this (they're coming) but currently, the needed duties seem to be ignored while trail police advise people trying to get some exercise to go elsewhere.
    Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingScott View Post
    This is what Deer Dancer and the squiggly highline trail between it and Teote also looks like now.
    Deer Dancer is blown out in a lot of places, so it's not a huge loss, but the little connector from Teote to the first fire road was fun and in pretty good shape. Mark my words, it's only a matter of time until L-1/Teote and 3B are blocked off as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canaan View Post
    Mark my words, it's only a matter of time until L-1/Teote and 3B are blocked off as well.
    You mean the new deadfall on the side of the trail isn't there to "mark the path to grandmas house" ??

    If you look closely, you will see more and more "staging areas" and small piles accumulating.

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    Spring canyon, the party is over

    I keep wondering: are there other parts of the country where the second biggest user group is so regularly pooped upon by the authorities? Or is that just what makes Cali special?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    I keep wondering: are there other parts of the country where the second biggest user group is so regularly pooped upon by the authorities? Or is that just what makes Cali special?
    I don't think other put up with it like "we" do.

    Steamboat Springs Trails Alliance just submitted a major proposal, I've read a lot of it. It's not amateur, it's legit, possibly a template for others, should they want to spend the time reading it.

    Steamboat Springs Trails

    Overall it's relatively a joke. You can close an area, the riders are going to go to... other areas, few of which are legal. In the end, new trails arise, you end up with twice as many environmental problems. But that doesn't matter, it's a NIMBY attitude from the top down.

    The master plan meetings wrapped up in... 2011 and we're "just about" to get a preview of the new master plan ??



    Elsewhere in Cali, land managers are working with rider and making incredible improvements. This isn't a statewide issue. Many of the EIR, CEQA, liability and other excuses we've heard for years are starting to truly look like BS. It's simply a city that doesn't want to work with a few user groups. Even worse, it's really seems like it's just a few handfuls of people.


    By the way, there will be a new multi-million dollar structure breaking ground off Mast Blvd soon. Bet that moves quickly.

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    Whatever happened down in SD county? I always thought that SD was more open minded, it seems the powers that be down there are always fighting against the trail users. You guys have(had) tons of awesome stuff, hope something works out in your guys favor one day. Although I'm from Big Bear, which is seeing a boom in trails being built, I've ridden PQ, Daley Ranch, Elfin, Hodges and Calvera, hate to hear that you are losing some access to great trails....keep up the fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurricane Jeff View Post
    Whatever happened down in SD county? I always thought that SD was more open minded, it seems the powers that be down there are always fighting against the trail users. You guys have(had) tons of awesome stuff, hope something works out in your guys favor one day. Although I'm from Big Bear, which is seeing a boom in trails being built, I've ridden PQ, Daley Ranch, Elfin, Hodges and Calvera, hate to hear that you are losing some access to great trails....keep up the fight!
    I heard talk that there was going to be a mass exodus of mtn bike riders from the SD area. Their plan was to relocate and start off fresh in the San Bernardino mountains.

    Whaduya think of that Jeff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    I keep wondering: are there other parts of the country where the second biggest user group is so regularly pooped upon by the authorities? Or is that just what makes Cali special?
    It's really about what makes coastal San diego 'special' here Coastal and up to about 10 miles inland.
    What makes for the magic here is the 'special' relationship between unions, big real estate developers, and local and state officials. For every new area of mesas and canyons, or any open space, for that matter, that gets developed, other remaining open space must be mandated for 'pristine habitat' designation. That means no more trails for the peons.

    So we watch our tax money being spent to pay armed goons to ticket us for trespassing on newly 'pristine' habitat.
    What's contributed to this has been , up to now, the 'libertarian' type view of most mtb riders. Most SD riders don't want to be bothered with organizing and such. So, even though many of us are homeowners and professionals, it's easy to kick us down and out of the new 'pristine' areas where we have been using the same trails for 20 years or more, in some cases.
    Recently, the USMC got into the act too. They even closed down the Stowe trail, on the vey periphery of their massive base. It is actually a historical ranch trail, at least 100 years old.

    But mostly it's the 'strange bedfellows' relationship between the developers and the local and State authorities. They rail against tree-huggers crying over 'fairy shrimp' on land they want to bulldoze flat for a new tract of townhomes and McMansions, but immediately become 'environmentalists' themselves when it is 'mitigation time'. Then fairy shrimp and horney toads are found to be getting decimated by those darned mtb riders. Even those riders who bought homes adjacent to the open space with the understanding that it would remain 'open space'. The realtors just left out that it wouldn't be 'open' to THEM!

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    San Diego mountain biking news lately feels like


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Even those riders who bought homes adjacent to the open space with the understanding that it would remain 'open space'. The realtors just left out that it wouldn't be 'open' to THEM!
    Granted the issues are slightly different from PQ, but I came within an inch of buying a house close to MTRP/Cowles precisely so that I could have a few good rides from the front door: Cowles, Spring/Oak, and then Mast Blvd Up to Sycamore. I'd be pretty angry right now if I had. Of course, all the rancho san diego trails that I ride could easily succumb to the same fate tomorrow since few of them are legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    Granted the issues are slightly different from PQ, but I came within an inch of buying a house close to MTRP/Cowles precisely so that I could have a few good rides from the front door: Cowles, Spring/Oak, and then Mast Blvd Up to Sycamore. I'd be pretty angry right now if I had. Of course, all the rancho san diego trails that I ride could easily succumb to the same fate tomorrow since few of them are legit.
    The Devil is in the details, and the details are just between the 'Strange Bedfellows'.

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    That's sad. Another reason why I just avoid Mission Trails entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    I keep wondering: are there other parts of the country where the second biggest user group is so regularly pooped upon by the authorities? Or is that just what makes Cali special?
    The difference between California and other states is that other states are not controlled by the Sierra Club and Greenpeace at the highest levels of state government (i.e. Governor on down).

    The environmental movement in California is so powerful, that they even managed to shutdown San Onofre powerplant wchich supplies San Diego, Orange and LA counties with a significant amounts of electrical power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjphillips View Post
    The environmental movement in California is so powerful, that they even managed to shutdown San Onofre powerplant wchich supplies San Diego, Orange and LA counties with a significant amounts of electrical power.
    Inept management, poor engineering and Fukushima helped that along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjphillips View Post
    The environmental movement in California is so powerful, that they even managed to shutdown San Onofre powerplant wchich supplies San Diego, Orange and LA counties with a significant amounts of electrical power.
    No matter what Fox news quotes, that is all crap. So. Cal Edison had no intention of bowing to the Enviros and had all the clout. They shut down the reactors because it made more financial sense to shutter it after the poorly and faulty designed steam generators. Besides, they are making money 3 ways off of us now.

    1) We paid for the upgrade
    2) We get to pay for the decomissioning due to the faulty design
    3) We are paying higher rates than before because they claim their cost have gone up becasue they claim they cannot produce enough electricity (funny, no rolling blackouts so far..)

    People were whining for years about San Onofre and are claiming victory now. Kind of like claiming victory for a football team. Enviros had nothing to do with it. They were on the sidelines the entire time. It was the 100% Edison's decision.

    The crap that is happening is SD is a policy shift in the CFDW. They are forcing the cities hand, not that the city required much of a push. We have to figure out a way to change CDFW policies to allow use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outside! View Post
    Inept management, poor engineering and Fukushima helped that along.
    That would be a factual, evidence-based observation. This kind of thinking is not welcomed by many mtb riders. So, keeping them in mind, I might as well add Atheists and Agenda 21 to the mix, before anybody else beats me to it!

    I think that about covers all the conspirators.

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    When will the cyclone fence go up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howeler View Post
    When will the cyclone fence go up?

    It was fun while it lasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTSO2112 View Post
    One step away from concertina wire...we have that here where I work. Can't tell you where, or I'd have to...
    Maybe they have little extra to donate to the cause, Chief. Ranger Mel would likely give you a Blue Ribbon if you did that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    Granted the issues are slightly different from PQ, but I came within an inch of buying a house close to MTRP/Cowles precisely so that I could have a few good rides from the front door: Cowles, Spring/Oak, and then Mast Blvd Up to Sycamore. I'd be pretty angry right now if I had. Of course, all the rancho san diego trails that I ride could easily succumb to the same fate tomorrow since few of them are legit.
    Actually, D man, we reached that point way back before Pardee bulldozed the western part of DMM, and the Tunnels area was a combination redneck rodeo dumpsite up top, and a migrant trash infested dump down below. After the mtb club cleaned most of it up, it became 'pristine', and thus prime 'mitigation' land for the atrocity just to the west.

    We call that "progress" here in San Diego. And just in case you didn't know, we are "America's Finest City"! (Free swag for the first kid to say where that title came from!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Actually, D man, we reached that point way back before Pardee bulldozed the western part of DMM, and the Tunnels area was a combination redneck rodeo dumpsite up top, and a migrant trash infested dump down below. After the mtb club cleaned most of it up, it became 'pristine', and thus prime 'mitigation' land for the atrocity just to the west.

    We call that "progress" here in San Diego. And just in case you didn't know, we are "America's Finest City"! (Free swag for the first kid to say where that title came from!).
    It'a a fine line between aristocracy and atrocity!

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    I think the word you're looking for is "traveshamockery."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post

    We call that "progress" here in San Diego. And just in case you didn't know, we are "America's Finest City"! (Free swag for the first kid to say where that title came from!).

    HA! Softball....

    We were voted AFC by Forbes or the likes over 30 years ago. While we have long fallen from that contention, we have desperately clung on to it to keep the tourist economy alive and well.

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    Ah, the Republican Party Convention and a little bragging go a long way. To bad it took 20+ years to finally get the convention.....
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    That would be great...as long as your pro-active in the community as far as working with the Trails foundation, the USFS, Big Bear Cycling and the other organizations that are totally into building new trails, re-opening closed trails( the trails that were trails, not the skid mark fall line trails) and working with all trail users. Went to a trails meeting last night up here, there is going to $750,000 over the next five years to build and maintain trails up here....some pretty exciting stuff!
    Sorry down in SD that you guys having such problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    San Diego mountain biking news lately feels like

    Well played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy View Post
    HA! Softball....

    We were voted AFC by Forbes or the likes over 30 years ago. While we have long fallen from that contention, we have desperately clung on to it to keep the tourist economy alive and well.

    **Edit**

    Ah, the Republican Party Convention and a little bragging go a long way. To bad it took 20+ years to finally get the convention.....
    Good second effort! I was actually here for the humiliation! It was actually pretty funny.

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    Saw a new "no public access" sign at the bottom entrance to Grassy Knoll. RIP, I liked that climb.

    Oh and this at the entrance.

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    hot laps on the visitors center loop, 8am on Saturday mornings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocd View Post
    hot laps on the visitors center loop, 8am on Saturday mornings?
    Too steep, off-camber and technical...only those who watched those Charles Bronson movies in the 70s are fools enough to attempt it. Plus, I hear there is mountain lion nearby.

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    spotted a sign at the top of L1/toete last night, "No public access", no sign at the bottom though.

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    Brought my bike to work today with plans of riding out there tonight. Is there any type of enforcement going on? Guess I'll just scrap my plans and ride up and down Florida Canyon. What a joke this has become!

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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    I think the word you're looking for is "traveshamockery."
    Should I be prosecuted for riding Some Trails Further Up, I'll rest easy knowing that Woody Allen has already written my closing argument for me:

    "It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of two mockeries of a sham. I move for a mistrial, do you realize there is not a single homosexual on that jury?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carloswithac View Post
    Saw a new "no public access" sign at the bottom entrance to Grassy Knoll.
    There's a sign at the top too. And someone put some rocks in the middle of the trail for about the first 10ft, I'm assuming to deter anyone from ignoring the sign. I guess they don't realize some people prefer the additional challenge riding on a trail with rocks affords...

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    Here is a nice little quote from mtrp.org:

    "Chris Zirkle, Deputy Director of the City of San Diegoís Open Space Division, provided some background to help clarify the matter. We are not closing trails since the city has never officially opened and/or authorized the trails. Initially, Park Rangers will be restoring unauthorized trails that were constructed since 2010. Additional restoration efforts are pending."

    Makes perfect sense right? Since the trails were never "opened" officially they can't officially be "Closed" So they are being "restored" Where the **** do they find the people that write this shit? Why don't you just say you are erasing any unauthorized trails?
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