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    snakes in san diego

    can someone tell me about snakes in san diego? i usually ride lake hodges (north), los penasquitos, and sycamore canyon. lately, i've been coming across a few snakes, and to be frank, they creep me out big time. so, for some peace of mind, i'm just really wondering if the snakes in those areas pose any sort of real threat.

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    just the ones that speak and offer you apples. if yuo get a decent look at them, seee if they have rattles those snakes def. pose a threat. take pics if you can and post them here. not sure about your area other than rattlers.

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    Rattlers and gopher snakes are pretty common in San Diego County. My advice, stay on the trails and be alert.....(The world needs more lerts).
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    only if you try and pick them up

    A garter snake will pee on you when handled and it smells something awful don't get it on your gloves.rattle snakes will almost and I said almost always retreat although I've seen them attack on a few occasions .most will try to escape as fast as they can.
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    Good info on San Diego area snakes here http://www.sdnhm.org/fieldguide/herps/index.html

    Saw two kingsnakes http://www.chaffeezoo.org/animals/ca...KingSnake.html and one Rosy Boa http://www.sdnhm.org/fieldguide/herps/lich-tri.html last evening at Lake Hodes. Usually it's gopher snakes and rattlers. Was a cool treat to see the kingsnakes and boa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mateoway
    A garter snake will pee on you when handled and it smells something awful don't get it on your gloves.rattle snakes will almost and I said almost always retreat although I've seen them attack on a few occasions .most will try to escape as fast as they can.
    Came across snake #3 on ride in OC yesterday. Boy he was a fatty - among the bigger ones I have seen.

    Rode past him at speed. Stopped bike to take another look and he slithered back in tall grass (must have been "sunning" himself)
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    Lots of snakes at Daley Ranch as well. I've seen more tracks than actual snakes lately, but I know they're out there (and will probably start seeing more as the temps go up). Most of the time they'll be sunning or just crossing the trail. As noted above, I wouldn't pick one up (hubby does all the time, but not the ones with rattlers). Stay away from anything making noise

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    Mostly harmless....

    For the most part, Rattlers are very secretive. Even if you do come upon one, they will try their best to get away from you. If you leave them alone, they won't bother you. As for the Gopher and Cal King snakes, they may rattle their little tales (defense mechanism) but they are harmless. I have handled them all and have never had issues. If you are unsure of what kind of snake it is, it is best to stay away. The only venemous snake in California is the Rattle snake.

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    You see a lot of these Horned Toads at Flightline.
    They "spit" blood from their eye sockets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    You see a lot of these Horned Toads at Flightline.
    They "spit" blood from their eye sockets.
    Those little guys are the coolest. Saw quite a large one on T9 last Friday. Actually, not a toad at all, but a Horned Lizard. Ahh there's where the photo came from http://www.sdnhm.org/fieldguide/herps/phry-cor.html

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    Scary

    Especially that one just above The bad snakes to be bitten by in Ca all have noticably larger heads than necks, rough scales and RATTLES; but it's best to let them all be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
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    Quote Originally Posted by mateoway
    A garter snake will pee on you when handled and it smells something awful don't get it on your gloves.rattle snakes will almost and I said almost always retreat although I've seen them attack on a few occasions .most will try to escape as fast as they can.
    The three snakes above are all commonly sighted in San Diego. Garter snake,Rattlesnake and the coolest of them all is the Rosy Boa. The Rattlesnake is the only one out of those three that is poisonous.

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    I've got an ex that lives in SD and yes she is a snake, very dangerous. If you see her run and don't look back.
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    Ya, they're definitely out. My buddy and I saw 5 rattlers in one ride at Lake Hodges last month. The biggest one was at least 4' long. Scary stuff. I saw a snake on my ride today I've never seen before. It's body was a red-ish color and it's head was black. Any ideas what kind it may be??
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    one of the fastest snakes in the nieghborhood.also called a red racer( not my picture)
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    That looks like the one. He was a fast little dude too. I came around a corner and he was right in the middle of the trail. I got to look at him for about 2 seconds and then he was gone in the blink of an eye into the bushes.
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    You know what kind of bike a snake likes best don't ya? Why a SS of course.

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    generally speaking

    Quote Originally Posted by xDennisLuix
    can someone tell me about snakes in san diego? i usually ride lake hodges (north), los penasquitos, and sycamore canyon. lately, i've been coming across a few snakes, and to be frank, they creep me out big time. so, for some peace of mind, i'm just really wondering if the snakes in those areas pose any sort of real threat.
    if you see the rattlers, you'll be fine. They don't really want anything to do with you. Even if they coil up and rattle at you, just give them some time and they'll go away. if they're kind of stubborn, toss a small pebble near them or squirt them with a bit of water and they'll get off the trail.

    If they're stretched out and sunning, they're pretty lethargic and stoned so you'll be able to ride right on by. if you can't stop in time, try to go around them. if you can't, bunny hop them. just go right over them. usually they'll be okay but it's not worth the risk to yourself by stopping too close to one just 'cuz you may have run it over!

    Last year at Penasquitos I've seen two of the biggest, fattest rattlers I've ever seen. These bad boys were easily the thickness of my arm!

    From what I've heard, there are several species of rattlers here in SD. One of them is more reddish brown and he can get pretty large.

    My fear is not for any snake on a trail, it's for those I can't see off of the trail when I'm crashing into the bushes............

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    Has anyone on this thread ever been biten? ...or know of anyone who has?
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    The Rattlers you're likely to see in the San Diego area are usually either Western or Western Diamondback rattlesnakes. They're usually tan/brown in the coloration of their patterns and there sure were some monster serpents in Los Penasquitos last year!

    The one we haven't, and hope not to, seen in Los Pen, is the "Mojave". It's GREEN, and different from all other rattlers in the type of venom. If you see one, get a photo of it and report it. If you get bit by one, sit down, take a break & use your cell phone to call loved ones, very quickly. You WILL die and there is NO hope. It's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    The Rattlers you're likely to see in the San Diego area are usually either Western or Western Diamondback rattlesnakes. They're usually tan/brown in the coloration of their patterns and there sure were some monster serpents in Los Penasquitos last year!

    The one we haven't, and hope not to, seen in Los Pen, is the "Mojave". It's GREEN, and different from all other rattlers in the type of venom. If you see one, get a photo of it and report it. If you get bit by one, sit down, take a break & use your cell phone to call loved ones, very quickly. You WILL die and there is NO hope. It's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
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    Well, you're gonna die anyway, but my Verizon phone works all over LPCP.

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    stop it

    I can't stop checking out this tread and it is freaking me out. That pics of the snake eating that lizard gave me the willies.
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    I could have sworn I saw one of the greenies at Penis-squitos 4 years ago. It was hard not to notice it was different than any other snake I have seen.

    Of all my years of riding I gotta say I have seen more snakes (of all kinds) Hodges.


    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    The Rattlers you're likely to see in the San Diego area are usually either Western or Western Diamondback rattlesnakes. They're usually tan/brown in the coloration of their patterns and there sure were some monster serpents in Los Penasquitos last year!

    The one we haven't, and hope not to, seen in Los Pen, is the "Mojave". It's GREEN, and different from all other rattlers in the type of venom. If you see one, get a photo of it and report it. If you get bit by one, sit down, take a break & use your cell phone to call loved ones, very quickly. You WILL die and there is NO hope. It's true.

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    Mojave Rattlesnake
    The often mis-named "Mojave Green" (Crotalus scutulatus) has the most potent venom of any rattlesnake in North America. Its poison is about 16 times more powerful than that of the Sidewinder. They can be identified by their triangular-shaped head and diamond-shaped markings along their body, and of course, rattles. They are brown in color in the lower elevations and darken to a green in the higher regions near the mountains. Their eggs hatch within them so anywhere from 4 to 24 baby snakes are born live in a litter.

    http://www.wildherps.com/species/C.scutulatus.html
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    EBasil!!

    Hey dude--where have you been hiding?? I haven't seen you on here (or any other board for that matter) in quite awhile. I know you don't know me, but we've ridden together a couple times--once with the Rock MTB guys at Martha's Grove and once at Hodges.

    Good to see you posting again
    I hope you have a big trunk... 'cuz I'm puttin' my bike in it.

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    DS Duke, is that you in the avatar? We gotta get together SOON!

    Ha! Yeah, I haven't been posting much for the last year, maybe a little less. Thanks for the callout, I appreciate it! I'll see you out there at Hodges or PQ one of these days...I'm just slower than before (if that's possible).

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    Mojave Greens are not a sure death bite but they are EXTREMELY venemous and will sometimes go on the attack. Obviously you can outrun them but they are snotty. It is always best to ride with a buddy and if you ever do get bit remain calm and have the buddy get help fast. We are having an extra large amount of snake activity up here in Valencia. My vet says this is the worst snake bite season in years and it has just started.

    I have worked in the reptile industry for the past 14 years and I have to say this thread is fantastic as far as the quality and accuracy of the information. You hear the craziest things that people believe to be true about snakes. Thanks for the killer thread.

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    ...and don't forget this guy

    ...all it takes is one irresponsible zoo keeper and he'll be out hunting mtbers.

    Seriously, compared to Australia our snakes are harmless. Thoses people have to contend with real snakes.
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    I've been fortunate to see a small rattler eating a lizard once in Chino Hills. That was really cool, but we feared for the snake as it was still on the road eating. We left it where it was and hopefully it was able to finish it's meal and move back into the brush. I have seen numerous small rattlers this year, like never before. At last count 6 in the last couple of rides all at different places. Last Saturday as we were hiking out of Chantry after doing some trail maintenance we all walked within inches of one of those big fat real dark ones. The 3 guys in front of me made it, but the guy directly in front of me shouted "snake" just as I was walking by it. I looked and seen the monster just as he started to rattle. No harm, no foul. It did scare the bejeezus out of me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mateoway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl Scheib
    ...all it takes is one irresponsible zoo keeper and he'll be out hunting mtbers.

    Seriously, compared to Australia our snakes are harmless. Thoses people have to contend with real snakes.
    Hey Earl why talk about Australia and show a picture of a King Cobra from India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Lunch time @ Noble Canyon.
    So whats for dinner? Is that a Frog?

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    Lots of snakes out this year, fer sure.
    It's always a good idea to check around where you put yer feet and/or yer butt when you stop and get off the bike!
    The baby rattlers blend into the side of the trail real good....

    If you come across one that just gets more stubborn when you toss rocks/water at it, try kicking dirt on it...really...I've heard that they really don't like that!
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    I heard on the news that 9 people were treated at Loma Linda Medical Center for snakebites yesterday, even Dr. Bush's young son was bitten by a rattlesnake (For those that don't know, Dr. Bush is like THE snakebite expert on the West Coast, he regularly puts on classes for local EMS folks). Sounds like they are all doing OK.

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    My buddy and I found this guy curled up in the grass along the trail in Marshall Canyon a few weeks ago.

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    it's the only pic I could find plus Aussy snakes don't look as mean as they are poisonous.
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    I blew by one at Flightline T9 trail a month ago. It was rattling as I went by, I looked back and it struck at the air and turned into the bush. That's the first time I saw one strike.
    I was all freaked out for the rest of the ride. Hate those things.

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    Heh, I get to the top of a climb the other day and decide to take a short rest on a bench. I laid on my back for a few minutes when I heard the slightest sound of rustling. I look to my right to see the tail of a rattler as it went off into the brush. SOB passed right under me! (or was already under the bench when I got there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
    I blew by one at Flightline T9 trail a month ago. It was rattling as I went by, I looked back and it struck at the air and turned into the bush. That's the first time I saw one strike.
    I was all freaked out for the rest of the ride. Hate those things.
    That's why you should never be the first rider in a group! hehe...

    I've seen quite a few out there.
    The latest was where the rocks are stacked on that huge boulder. (Top of Joker Trail.)
    Also saw a baby rattler where the "Pompas Trail" meets the "Way-In Trail" in the grassy area next to the pond.
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    Yesterday morning I took my two Labradors out for a short ride up a fire road in Angeles Crest. The dogs were running about 10 feet in front of me when all of the sudden I hear this super loud rattle sound, I looked up just in time to see this really big snake strike at my dogs. Luckily I had done Rattlesnake Aversion Training with my dogs the previous summer, and they wanted nothing to do with that snake. They both high tailed it back to me, one of my dogs was actually shaking(I was too.) It all happened so fast, we weren't even totally sure our dog didn't get bit until we checked him all over his body. I have seen lots of rattlesnakes out on the trails, but that was the first time I have ever seen one strike.

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    Ya, I had both my labs take the: Patrick Callaghan Rattlesnake Avoidance Training Clinic.
    One of my labs got bit a few years earlier. Twice within a week. We took her to the vet and he watched her for a few hours. Fortunately, we didn't have to give her any snake anti-venom.

    I highly recommend that if you take your dog out on the trails, you enroll them in the class...

    For info go to: http://www.patrickcallaghan.com/
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    love those kings, very cool looking dudes with the colorful stripes. pics do not do any justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    The Rattlers you're likely to see in the San Diego area are usually either Western or Western Diamondback rattlesnakes. They're usually tan/brown in the coloration of their patterns and there sure were some monster serpents in Los Penasquitos last year!

    The one we haven't, and hope not to, seen in Los Pen, is the "Mojave". It's GREEN, and different from all other rattlers in the type of venom. If you see one, get a photo of it and report it. If you get bit by one, sit down, take a break & use your cell phone to call loved ones, very quickly. You WILL die and there is NO hope. It's true.

    You were doing good until the end there old timer...there is hope..just not as much

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    y'all can get your doggies vaccinated against rattlesnakes.

    Mine is...it's about 20 bucks a pop, 2 pops the first year, 1 booster annually thereafter.

    Comes from Redrock biologics.

    Got my dog shot up with it...not sure if it covers type A venom though from Mojaves
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