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    San Diegians - Rose / San Clemente Canyon question

    Does anyone know how to get around the new fence installed on the mesa (next to the dump) between San Clemente and Rose Canyons? The fence was installed by the nursery during thier expansion and was left unlocked for almost a year. Now they have locked both gates and have effectively killed my 17 mile loop.

    Both canyons are too short to ride out and back so the loop made the whole thing worthwhile.

    I was up there Wednesday for the first time in months hoping the gates would be open but no such luck. I saw tracks so I know others have been in the area but couldn't find a way through. Any ideas?

    How dare the nursery lock out all of us tresspassers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by troy
    Does anyone know how to get around the new fence installed on the mesa (next to the dump) between San Clemente and Rose Canyons? The fence was installed by the nursery during thier expansion and was left unlocked for almost a year. Now they have locked both gates and have effectively killed my 17 mile loop.

    Both canyons are too short to ride out and back so the loop made the whole thing worthwhile.

    I was up there Wednesday for the first time in months hoping the gates would be open but no such luck. I saw tracks so I know others have been in the area but couldn't find a way through. Any ideas?

    How dare the nursery lock out all of us tresspassers!
    I alwasy thought that it wasn't a fence protecting the nursery but a fence keeping people off of MCAS. At least that's the impression I got when a friend told me he went through it a few years ago and some MP's wanted to confiscate his bike.............

    Now if we could just get some of those pesky Marines to do some work on Spring and Oak canyons in Mission Trails..........

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    Don't quote me on this...

    I am in no way encouraging you to trespass, and I myself have NEVER, EVER done so on Miramar land, but the key is that gate on the far right, over behind the earthmoving equipment. It's locked, but the hinges are broken. Grab the bottom of it, and pull it towards you, dropping the top down the other side. You can now walk over the semi-horizontal gate. Make sure you lift it back up after you are through, though- I would hate to find that gate fixed because somebody notices it fallen over.

    Unfortunately, the fun little singletrack that cut through the flats behind the nursery is now gone, so stick to the Miramar fenceline, and cruise really fast to the top of Rattlesnake Canyon. Don't even fart around looking for that singletrack- it is under a huge heap of bark-o-mulch.

    miles (by the way, all of this is complete hearsay, and I myself can not vouch for its accuracy, as I have NEVER EVER trespassed back there)
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    I am in no way encouraging you to trespass, and I myself have NEVER, EVER done so on Miramar land, but the key is that gate on the far right, over behind the earthmoving equipment. It's locked, but the hinges are broken. Grab the bottom of it, and pull it towards you, dropping the top down the other side. You can now walk over the semi-horizontal gate. Make sure you lift it back up after you are through, though- I would hate to find that gate fixed because somebody notices it fallen over.

    Unfortunately, the fun little singletrack that cut through the flats behind the nursery is now gone, so stick to the Miramar fenceline, and cruise really fast to the top of Rattlesnake Canyon. Don't even fart around looking for that singletrack- it is under a huge heap of bark-o-mulch.

    miles (by the way, all of this is complete hearsay, and I myself can not vouch for its accuracy, as I have NEVER EVER trespassed back there)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti_Rider
    I alwasy thought that it wasn't a fence protecting the nursery but a fence keeping people off of MCAS. At least that's the impression I got when a friend told me he went through it a few years ago and some MP's wanted to confiscate his bike.............


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    There are two fences. One running basically north/south that keeps you out of MCAS. Now there is a new one running E/W and they connect. The new one keeps you from cutting thru or skirting the nursery, which you need to do in order to drop back into the canyons. I don't blame them for fencing off their property, especially with so many 5 gallon plants that you could easily drive off with, but it sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    I am in no way encouraging you to trespass, and I myself have NEVER, EVER done so on Miramar land, but the key is that gate on the far right, over behind the earthmoving equipment. It's locked, but the hinges are broken. Grab the bottom of it, and pull it towards you, dropping the top down the other side. You can now walk over the semi-horizontal gate. Make sure you lift it back up after you are through, though- I would hate to find that gate fixed because somebody notices it fallen over.

    Unfortunately, the fun little singletrack that cut through the flats behind the nursery is now gone, so stick to the Miramar fenceline, and cruise really fast to the top of Rattlesnake Canyon. Don't even fart around looking for that singletrack- it is under a huge heap of bark-o-mulch.

    miles (by the way, all of this is complete hearsay, and I myself can not vouch for its accuracy, as I have NEVER EVER trespassed back there)
    Thanks for the tip. I was checking out the area behind the earth moving equipment on wednesday but two guys who work for the dump were still hanging around (who works late at the dump?) so I couldn't really be too obvious.

    I'll have to try again and see what I find. How recent have you been out there?
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    Pretty recently.

    A couple of weeks ago. I have ridden that area so damned much over the years that it really doesn't do much for me any more, but it sure is super convenient- a few blocks of pavement, and I'm there.

    How often do you ridew the loop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    A couple of weeks ago. I have ridden that area so damned much over the years that it really doesn't do much for me any more, but it sure is super convenient- a few blocks of pavement, and I'm there.

    How often do you ridew the loop?

    miles
    Cool. I wasn't sure if your gate info was old or current. I'm the same way.... been riding there since I was in college (90 - 91) and can't get over the convience factor. I live and work in PB/La Jolla so it's too close to pass up after work. We used to ride there at least once a week when i was doing early morning rides. Before Wednesday I hadn't been there in 3-4 months, mostly because of the fences. If you can't make a loop then it's pretty short and not worth it. I tried it again last week thinking I'd get lucky but no such luck. I'll probably go out again Wednesday after work and see if I can find your spot. I'll be out there around 5:00 ish and usually park at the end of Santa Fe road if I'm coming from work.
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    See you on wednesday

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    I just remembered

    I have an appointment at Mt Helix at 3:30. If I'm there at Santa Fe at 5, cool. If not, the ten minute rule applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    I have an appointment at Mt Helix at 3:30. If I'm there at Santa Fe at 5, cool. If not, the ten minute rule applies.

    miles
    10 minute rule noted. I'll be the white guy on a either a Turner or a old red Fisher singlespeed.
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    Wow, haven't ridden that loop for years. I used to work at UTC and that ride was one of my "waiting for traffic to die down before i drove home from work" rides. Late in the day it got a little spooky under the 52/805 overpass.

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