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    Pick up Adventure pass for San Juan Shuttle

    My friends and I are going to be shuttling San Juan this week. Is there a gas station off Ortega Hwy and the 5 that sells Adventure passes for the day?


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    If you park without an Adventure Pass and get a ticket.....it is only $5.....which is what it would cost you if you bought one.

    Depends on the time of day/week....have parked there multiple times without a pass and didn't get a ticket.

    Been a long time since I have been up to the top, hit unless they put in a picnic table and restroom, you don't need an AP up there.
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    The candy store on Ortega sells day passes and is a cool little place to stop at. Just google Ortega Oaks Candy Store for hours. I think there is also a ranger station along the way that you can try to google. The big gas station right at the 5/Ortega might sell them too, I believe its a Shell if you want to try to look it up and call.

    Last time I was at the bottom of San Juan the ranger was about to ticket a guy I was with but I showed him my extra vehicle pass so he let it slide. He did say he puts a $5 ticket on your window but that sometimes the sheriff will come by after him and put a ticket for the real fine amount on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCtrailMonkey View Post
    The candy store on Ortega sells day passes and is a cool little place to stop at. Just google Ortega Oaks Candy Store for hours. I think there is also a ranger station along the way that you can try to google. The big gas station right at the 5/Ortega might sell them too, I believe its a Shell if you want to try to look it up and call.

    Last time I was at the bottom of San Juan the ranger was about to ticket a guy I was with but I showed him my extra vehicle pass so he let it slide. He did say he puts a $5 ticket on your window but that sometimes the sheriff will come by after him and put a ticket for the real fine amount on.
    cool thanks. Yeah the ticket is only $5 if you don't get caught by the popo, then it is more like $40.00. We have two cars so not worth chancing when the adventure pass itself is only $5.oo for a day pass.
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    well, the Candy store looks like it is way on the other side closer to Elsinore, and we plan to leave a car at the bottom of San Juan.

    I called the Shell Store and they do not sell them.

    Anyone know of another spot to get em at? I will do some digging around in other places as well.



    nvm, There is a Sports Chalet near my office that sells em, I will just go pick them up at lunch.
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    Are you still in O'side? You can get the daily passes from these places. Pretty sure you can get them before the day of:

    OCEANSIDE

    Big 5 # 073
    2301 Vista Way
    Oceanside, CA 92054
    760-757-4154
    Annual, Daily, Secondary

    Sports Authority #783
    2160 Vista Way
    Oceanside, CA 92054
    760-967-1891
    Annual, Daily, Secondary

    Adventure 16-South Oceanside
    2002 South Coast Hwy
    Oceanside, CA 92054
    760-966-1700
    Annual, Daily, Secondary
    In general: Region 5 - Recreation Passes & Permits

    EDIT: A minute or two too slow

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    Big 5. Buy one for $25 and get an additional for only $5 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    well, the Candy store looks like it is way on the other side closer to Elsinore, and we plan to leave a car at the bottom of San Juan.

    I called the Shell Store and they do not sell them.

    Anyone know of another spot to get em at? I will do some digging around in other places as well.



    nvm, There is a Sports Chalet near my office that sells em, I will just go pick them up at lunch.
    Yeah, sorry about that. The candy store is after the lower San Juan parking area but I think it is before the turnoff to go up to blue jay for the initial drop off. I was just thinking in terms of what is available on the day of, I always buy a yearly pass for $35 with the extra vehicle pass as well. Hopefully you got one for the day needed.

    When you are done the candy shop is a good place to pick up old school candy (root beer candy is why I go there). There is also a 'biker' bar near blue jay if you want a cold one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsmetona View Post
    Big 5. Buy one for $25 and get an additional for only $5 more.
    It is actually $30 plus $5 if you want the extra vehicle pass these days.

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    If you haven't ridden it before, I highly recommend taking a left (Old San Juan?) when you hit the meadow and riding the south side of the Lollipop loop to Cocktail Rock. It has more tech and is generally just more interesting. Just don't take any of the lefts after that or you'll end up at the waterfall! Check MtbBill's site for maps.

    Also, if you like some chunk/jumps/features/waterfalls, next time think about the (short) shuttle from Blue Jay to Viejo Tie to Chiquito, ending at the Candy Store. Have fun!
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    Shuttling? From an "XC guy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    Shuttling? From an "XC guy".
    Hawg, I learned to ride on the San Juan Trail waaaay back in '89-90 when the trail runners outnumbered the bikes. When we started seeing the downhill only groups starting to show up we called them "coasters". I rode that area for years and never once started at the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whodaphuck View Post
    Hawg, I learned to ride on the San Juan Trail waaaay back in '89-90 when the trail runners outnumbered the bikes. When we started seeing the downhill only groups starting to show up we called them "coasters". I rode that area for years and never once started at the top.
    Awesome! I was just giving Klurejr a hard time, because he said not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtvert View Post
    If you haven't ridden it before, I highly recommend taking a left (Old San Juan?) when you hit the meadow and riding the south side of the Lollipop loop to Cocktail Rock. It has more tech and is generally just more interesting. Just don't take any of the lefts after that or you'll end up at the waterfall! Check MtbBill's site for maps.

    Also, if you like some chunk/jumps/features/waterfalls, next time think about the (short) shuttle from Blue Jay to Viejo Tie to Chiquito, ending at the Candy Store. Have fun!
    That sounds cool, I def want to go back and ride it again. I forgot just how much climbing there actually is int he first 5 miles. I hate pedaling uphill with my fullface helmet and full pads on, but it was not too bad. Only had to hike a few sections where I could not climb up the rock gardens (not my strong point in the saddle).

    I took some pictures of the map board at the end of the trail and I guess we took a route called the San Juan Truck Trail? At least it felt like we did.
    Here is my Strava from the day, Compared to the map in my next post we def did the "truck" trail. What is the other part like, and how Do I make sure I don't miss it next time?
    Mountain Bike Ride Profile | San juan trail near Lake Elsinore | Times and Records | Strava

    The shorter loop back to Candy Store might be a fun option to get a few shuttles in.

    We only got one done because of a slightly late start, one guy got a flat right away, and then he got lost and we wasted a lot of time in the morning. Of the four of us I was the only one to not taste dirt, some a few times.

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    Shuttling? From an "XC guy".
    Very cute.... ;-)
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    Here are my pics from Yesterday:

    Waiting while we try to find Mike, he took a left down a super steep section and ended up back on the San Juan trail further down, however we did not know that is where it went so he pushed his bike back up......





    He was a bit exhausted when he got back up:



    Taking a little break and wishing I had a granola bar with me:



    A pic my buddy took of me:



    Move views on the way down:





    Everyone Tired on the shuttle run back up to get my truck:



    And two shots of the map at the trail head, I need to pick up this trail map to have on me:





    After the ride we went to the Riders Club in San Clemente for Burgers and Beer, and we all agreed it was one of the best Burgers we have ever had, I think it was my overall hunger that decided that.

    Also of note, being a Tuesday we saw one other rider the whole day, that was really nice.
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    I was just reviewing this thread and noticed the Los Pinos Trail on this map at the bottom of San Juan.

    Has anyone done that trail before? What is it like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    I was just reviewing this thread and noticed the Los Pinos Trail on this map at the bottom of San Juan.

    Has anyone done that trail before? What is it like?
    You don't climb Los Pinos.....you treat it as a DH....but....there is a lot of HAB. Makes San Juan look like a sidewalk.
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    Is it worth checking out? I like San Juan because it is fast an flowy, but I also like rough and technical stuff too.

    Does anyone have a Strava of that trail so I can see elevation gain, etc.
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    Most do it as a loop.....climb San Juan, descend Los Pinos:

    Geoladders -- San Juan - Los Pinos

    Or even the shuttle has 2700' of climbing:

    Geoladders -- Los Pinos (shuttle)
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    Comments from that GeoLadder page:

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    genusmtbkr5 09/23/09
    Part of search effort for lost Ultra runner Gina. We could see the helicopters circling above the Hot Springs trail. Glad she was found alive.

    thejonnman 06/06/09
    Worst trail ever!! Very overgrown and boarding. Not very technical at all, just a little rocky. I will never recommend this trail.....ever. The downhills are somewhat fun but all the hike-a-bikes kill the trail. Way too many hike-a-bikes and uphill climbing to be a shuttle IMO. San Juan shuttle is 100x better.

    Ladera Dave 11/28/08
    Ran into a Local rider from San Yuan, great recommedation.

    Lonnie 04/12/08
    This is one rugged technical trail. Thank goodness I had knee and arm protection because it saved me several times. Thanks Ken for showing the way. Mike, you are one tough "OLD GOAT"! I hope your knee injury is not serious. I couldn't believe you toughted it out and rode the downill you like so much after that knarly fall.

    asianball3r101 02/10/08
    No need for a bike bigger than 4 inch of travel. Not worth it for big bike, huge hike a bikes, short downhills. Not fun at all for big bikes, Maybe for a trail bike. But Hike A Bike compared to Downhill is unbalanced, wayy more hike a bike than down.
    That answers my questions... lol
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    Pinos is one of my favorite trails. But not many people like it. It has, depending who you talk to, 8 to 14 steep hike a bikes. There are fun descents off each one, sometimes loose and rutted. The last mile or two is steep and chunky. True backcountry ridge top trail.

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    I would suggest not buying a Adventure Pass. It is an illegal fee and a recent U.S. District Court ruling backs that up. A friend of mine has been issued a number of tickets over the years and has never paid one...with no repercussions..

    Judgment puts U.S. Forest Service’s Adventure Pass program in jeopardy

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    Quote Originally Posted by colbatguano View Post
    I would suggest not buying a Adventure Pass. It is an illegal fee and a recent U.S. District Court ruling backs that up. A friend of mine has been issued a number of tickets over the years and has never paid one...with no repercussions..

    Judgment puts U.S. Forest Service’s Adventure Pass program in jeopardy


    If you read back through this thread you will see we are discussing whether an area still falls under the one part of the Adventure Pass Law that is still in effect, from the article you linked:

    Hatter ruled that charging a recreation fee to a visitor who does not use “developed facilities and services” violates the Federal Lands Recreation Enhancement Act
    It was determined that Picnic Area's with Bathrooms are considered Developed Facilities.
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