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    Park rangers can't write citations for off leash dogs?

    I have been attacked by off leash dogs 3 times in San Diego. Once in PQ I was bitten on the knee. A month ago 2 dogs attacked my dog and he fought back and damn near killed one of them (he was on a leash). The last time a really large dog bit my hand and my handlebar making me fall. I got sick of it so I decided to write an email to the senior Park Ranger. Here is the email I wrote:

    Hello David, I am emailing you in the hopes that something will be done about the off leash dog problem at Lake Hodges. Over a month ago my 4 year old son and I were walking our 94 pound lab just south of the parking lot when he was approached by 2 smaller dogs that were not leashed. They attacked him and he fought back. My son was knocked down and I was pulled down as well. I was forced to let my dog go so he could defend himself. He severely injured one of the other dogs. The other dog owner was quite distraught but to his credit he has not attempted to sue me, most likely because he was breaking the law. Since this incident I have become more aware of the problem with off leash dogs. I also mountain bike and 2 weeks ago I decided to count how many dogs I encountered. From Sunset drive to the dam and back I counted 36 dogs of which only 7 were on leashes. Thats 29 off leash dogs. I normally would not care enough to complain but on that ride I myself was jumped by an off leash dog causing me to fall off my bike. Luckily I only got a few scrapes but I have had enough.
    I realize that the parks service is stretched rather thin but I hope that at some point there will be some enforcement of the laws. It seems the majority of dog owners in the Escondido area either can't read the clearly posted signs or they just don't care. I am leaning towards the latter. The only way to make them care is by hitting them where it hurts, their wallets. I am not sure what the fine is for off leash dogs but I think it is $250 for a first offense. Thats $7250 bucks for one Saturday morning. I hope that something can be done before the problem causes someone to get hurt. Thanks.

    And here is the response I got:

    Thank you for your concern in this matter. Sorry to hear about your incident.


    Dog off leash is the number one problem we have in our park. Unfortunately the San Dieguito River Park Rangers can not site for DOL and are forced to call animal control when things start getting out of control. It appears that we are at that point again. I will try and set up a good time for them to come out and cite, hopefully that will curtail the problem for awhile. We always inform visitors of the need for their dogs to be leashed but like you said sometimes it doesn't sink in till it hits their wallets.


    First off I have to say, if rangers can't cite people for breaking the law within the park boundaries then what good are they? I realize they are bound by the law and the constraints of their jobs.

    I encourage those of you who have had problems with aggressive off leash dogs to be sure and email the park rangers and/or animal control. I am sure there are literally thousands of incidents that go unreported.
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    I think it's a good step that he will call animal control for you. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs actions, so you could also bring a small claims suit against someone whose dog causes you harm or property damage.

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    Even on leash, with those dorky retractable leashes, they might charge you. I got charged by a little ankle biter who, luckily for me, latched on to my shin guard. The owner pulled back on the leash but the damn thing just kept reeling out. Yeah it was a little football at that point and more of an annoyance, but if it had been a medium/big dog it could have gotten ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uly View Post
    Even on leash, with those dorky retractable leashes, they might charge you. I got charged by a little ankle biter who, luckily for me, latched on to my shin guard. The owner pulled back on the leash but the damn thing just kept reeling out. Yeah it was a little football at that point and more of an annoyance, but if it had been a medium/big dog it could have gotten ugly.
    Methinks you guys are either: cursed, have bad karma, have bad luck, wear spandex (a known animal irritant), or a combination of all four.

    I have been riding bikes for over 40 years, only got bit by one dog (large german shepherd) while I was delivering newspapers in the dark of the morning when I was 15.

    I have never been bitten or attacked by dogs on the trail whether I was mtbing, hiking, or trail running....knock on wood.....and I have encountered thousands of them. I must be doing something different than you guys...I'll figure it out/run some tests, etc....and get back to you.

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    In CA the law is a 6' leash. I was on a ride about a year
    ago and this guy had a dog on about a 50 foot long rope.

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    ...my wife takes off my leash so I can ride. Thanks honey!

    She claims I don't bite.... yeah, rrrrright
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    I massively support this. I've been attacked multiple times at cowles mountain by off leash dogs using my bike as a shield. In 2 separate incidents the owners said "sorry my dog is a rescue and doesnt like bikes". Hello? What is a rescue dog doing off leash? Both times they were huge German shepards. Another time I nearly smashed a ladys dog around a corner that was on a 20 ft leash and even then she tried to put the blame on me. I'll be contacting animal control then about this, I was wondering how to go about it.

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    Dogs are always charging on Black Mtn. (PQ). Pepper spray 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEB View Post
    ...my wife takes off my leash so I can ride. Thanks honey!

    She claims I don't bite.... yeah, rrrrright

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    i have been attacked by two dogs in a suburban area not even on a trail. one was on a leash and the owner just couldnt hold it back. some little asian lady walking two big pitbulls wtf lady. i kicked the **** out of her dog and was lucky he didnt catch my foot. i hate dogs and am terrified of them and they hate me too. i will definitely be rigging up some kind of metal pipe to hang on my bike after hearing this. i never considered this either. damn being a noob sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTP View Post
    Dogs are always charging on Black Mtn. (PQ). Pepper spray 'em!
    Being an animal lover I would have a hard time pepper spraying a dog, after all it's not really their fault. I think it would be more effective to pepper spray the owner

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    i agree that the owner should take responsibility for and suffer consequences from the actions their pets take i am not above hurting anything that tries to hurt me. i would go out of my way to hurt any animal but if it attacks me first its on like donkey kong.

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    People who don't leash their dogs should definitely be cited a huge fine.

    Another thing that pisses me off is people that have their dogs leashed on absurdly long leashes. Especially on narrow trails. I don't want to get attacked by a dog nor do I ever want to accidentally run one over.

    Keep your dogs leashed and CLOSE TO YOU at all times!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihaveagibsonsg View Post
    Another time I nearly smashed a ladys dog around a corner that was on a 20 ft leash and even then she tried to put the blame on me. I'll be contacting animal control then about this, I was wondering how to go about it.
    Exactly my point! Long leashes are basically like having no leash on your dog. I have been close to running over dogs on the trail because the idiot owners decide to buy a ridiculously long leash for the animal.

    I believe a dog should be no more than 4 feet away from its owner at all times while walking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigherc View Post
    Being an animal lover I would have a hard time pepper spraying a dog, after all it's not really their fault. I think it would be more effective to pepper spray the owner
    I'm an animal lover as well, but if this was a problem where I ride, I wouldn't hesitate to pepper spray a dog that was trying to bite me. It's MUCH better than having to physically hurt the dog to stop an attack. I think it's the most effective and humane way to deal with the situation if the dog can injure you. The owner should be pepper sprayed as well though!

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    I would've thought most of you guys were overreacting until I got bit last year by an off leash Doberman and it was totally unprovoked. The thing came running down a hill after me and afterward the owners gave the typical "It's never done this before" response. I had no recourse in that situation as we weren't in a 'park' with posted signs - not that I would sue someone anyway.

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    you were still in public land and unless i understand it incorrectly the law is that the dog shall always be leashed outside youre own property. i see no reason not to sue. people gotta learn somehow that somethings just are not ok and letting your animals attack someone is definitely one of them in my book.

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    You can perform a citizens arrest if you are attacked by someone else's dog, or if you see an owner negligently or intentionally allow their dog to attack someone. If you do this the police must come and take custody of the suspect, they will usually cite and release for the misdemeanor.

    San Diego County Code

    Sec. 62.669.1. PUBLIC PROTECTION FROM DOGS.

    (a) Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from attacking, biting, or otherwise causing injury to any person engaged in a lawful act; from interfering with the lawful use of public or private property; or from damaging personal property which is lawfully upon public property, or upon private property with the permission of the person who owns or has the right to possess or use the private property. Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    California Penal Code §837
    A private person may arrest another:

    1. For a public offense (usually understood to mean a misdemeanor) committed or attempted in his presence.

    2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.

    3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.

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    Time to add handcuffs to your pack.

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    yeah call me crazy but i wouldnt let just any random person arrest me ha ha. im not just gonna willingly let some random dude put me in handcuffs or hold me down and call the fuzz. if someone told me they were placing me under citizens arrest i would just laugh at them.. better to call cops immediately try to obtain their name and or take a picture of them and their dog and if they go back to their car get their license plate number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rageandlove View Post
    yeah call me crazy but i wouldnt let just any random person arrest me ha ha. im not just gonna willingly let some random dude put me in handcuffs or hold me down and call the fuzz. if someone told me they were placing me under citizens arrest i would just laugh at them.. better to call cops immediately try to obtain their name and or take a picture of them and their dog and if they go back to their car get their license plate number.
    I didn't say it was a good idea...

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    F dogs on trails! Hodges is the worst! Maybe we all need to call animal control and complain.

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    Oliver has the best solution so far in this thread. It hardly takes much effort. The more calls the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boulder Pilot View Post
    Oliver has the best solution so far in this thread. It hardly takes much effort. The more calls the better.
    Nah, I prefer going Dog the Bounty Hunter on people's asses and making citizens arrests.

    That right there was the best idea in this thread.

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    Only time i had a dog charge me was when i was stream fishing and headed back to my truck.Out there i always opened carried a .45 2 dogs came running owner not really doing much i got my wife to jump in bed of truck i dropped the poles and got my gun out as they were running hard .This got the owners attention real fast he somehow got dogs to stop but he didnt seem to do much as the dogs left from him and ran towards us barking and growling???.

    Funny how he quickly responded and then tell us how his dogs NEVER done that before.I told him 6 ft leash law and his dogs were about 10 ft from death.I use to have a rot that when out in public it always had a leash where it was required had an unleashed dog try to jump at mine too you guessed it owner of course tried to blame me but response was they need to have a leash if you have a problem why my dog defended himself call animal control i will wait here too.

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    I used to let my dog off leash in PQ about 12 years ago thinking it was harmless because she was a small dog. She was bitten by a large rattler and it almost killed her. It cost me over $1000 dollars to have her treated. I think taking some photos of rattle snake bites to dogs and blowing them up and putting them next to the leash law signs might help.
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    Hey Aaron,

    I used to help with the Voluteer patrol in PQ. Granted this was 7+ years ago but we were under instructions to request the offending people to leash their dog and if they didn't we were to radio the ranger who would ticket. Not certain if the difference is because PQ is within the SD city limits proper.

    People can be real jerks. I could tell you stories about one fat arse and his three cairn teriers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    I could tell you stories about one fat arse and his three cairn teriers...
    Please do!

    I actually get quite entertained reading stories like this.

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    I guess I best call up animal control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    Please do!

    I actually get quite entertained reading stories like this.
    Nah... It's not that interesting. The guy obviously had more issues than just his dogs and who am I to comment on other peoples personal problems.

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    I live in a National Forest and loose dogs are the norm in the neighborhoods. My dogs are always on a leash when in public, and they're large (140lbs) so they don't get bothered. Even the coyotes run the other way. My brother who lives on the next street over has small dogs who get rushed by off leash dogs when he's down at the lake walking them. He stopped my the feed store and picked up a cattle prod and solved his problem.
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    Dogs don't hurt people, people hurt people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadmoto View Post
    Dogs don't hurt people, people hurt people.
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    I recently heard a story of a local woman who carries mace and sprays any off leash dog that comes near her. I feel kinda bad for the dogs cause it is the owners who should be getting sprayed in the face.
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    A story of those not in control of their animals ruining it for the rest of us. It is the people not the animal.

    I had a lady attempt to spray my dog while he was on a leash and we were simply walking by. Yep he's like my son and yes I went ape ****.

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    Looks like animal control was out at Lake Hodges on Sunday of last week handing out citations and warnings. This past Saturday I rode there and saw a total of three dogs all of which were leashed. Notices were also left on vehicles over the last 2 weekends notifying people of enforcement of fines. Apparently there were several other complaints.

    It just goes to prove that if you see something that is wrong SPEAK UP! Be polite and respectful but don't just let it slide. Sometimes people will listen and do something about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watkinscapital View Post
    I had a lady attempt to spray my dog while he was on a leash and we were simply walking by. Yep he's like my son and yes I went ape ****.
    Wow, why the heck did she do that? I'm glad you went ape s*** on her. I would have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Looks like animal control was out at Lake Hodges on Sunday of last week handing out citations and warnings. This past Saturday I rode there and saw a total of three dogs all of which were leashed. Notices were also left on vehicles over the last 2 weekends notifying people of enforcement of fines. Apparently there were several other complaints.

    It just goes to prove that if you see something that is wrong SPEAK UP! Be polite and respectful but don't just let it slide. Sometimes people will listen and do something about it.
    Good to hear!

    I was there about a week ago, and there was a lady that looked like a 100 lbs walking a 120 lbs Rottweiler off leash close to Hernandez Hideaway. She quickly ran to her dog, and grabbed it by the collar. There was no way she could have held that dog back if something was to go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watkinscapital View Post
    A story of those not in control of their animals ruining it for the rest of us. It is the people not the animal.

    I had a lady attempt to spray my dog while he was on a leash and we were simply walking by. Yep he's like my son and yes I went ape ****.

    Wow, that is terrible. No one should ever assault a dog on a leash.
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    Riding the connector trail between Laguna campground and Horse Heaven campground, I was almost attacked by two Presta Canario dogs owned by a family that was walking them, one off-leash, one on. Each dog weighed a minimum of 175 lb.s The guy lunged for the off-leash dog, and got it just as it began to lunge at me, the woman dug her heels into the ground, and the dog she had on leash was dragging her, slowly, like a water skier, towards me. Horse Heaven was closed on that day, but there were LOTS of people in the Big Laguna campground, where they were headed.
    I had a tanto blade K-bar length knife, from CRKT, razor sharp, in a kytel sheath on my waist belt, and I drew it very rapidly in a defensive draw, but they had flanked me, so that one dog could attack me from behind. It almost seemed deliberate. What was also interesting to me was that their child, who looked to be about 9 or 10, simply stood still, watching, with what looked like an expression of mild amusement/ anticipation on her face. Kinda like the look that Christina Ricci would affect as the Adam's family girl.
    With my knife, I have no doubt that I could have easily killed the one dog, but the other would get me from behind, and who knows, but I would have been seriously hurt, no doubt.

    I asked them which dog was named Lawsuit, and which dog was named Liability. They were profusely apologetic, but unlike all of the other dog-owner accounts given here, they made no pretense about not knowing how dangerous their dogs were. Woulda sounded pretty ridiculous if they did. Instead the told me they had no idea that I was coming towards them from around the bend, which is entirely plausible.

    I told them that they were headed to a place that had LOTS of kids, pets, and people in general, and asked them if they really wanted to take those animals into the middle of all that. It made me wonder what those folks were so afraid of, to have two dogs with so much violent potential.

    Anyway, they were kind enough to let me pass, but I did so without sheathing my knife. They seemed pretty weird to me, and I'm fairly tolerant with weird. I looked back frequently, and when I got up to the paved campground road, I saw that they had reconsidered their plan, and had turned around.

    So, that one turned into a win-win-win, I guess. I didn't get bit, they didn't lose a dog, and those picnickers didn't get terrorized.

    They were, all things considered, an order of magnitude more serious than the other dog encounters depicted in this thread. People really need to think about their responsibility for their animals, especially in public, whether they're dogs, cats, or horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    Oh yeah, and birds! Man, can one of them Macaws BITE!
    Yeah, no kidding.

    Geese are pretty aggressive little f***ers as well. They won't hesitate to attack a human if they're pissed off enough.

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    Presa Canarias in the Lagunas. Greeaaaaat

    DOL is totally the most common "violation" that volunteer trail patrol folks, or just plain rider/hiker/runners, encounter and for some of us, one of the worst parts of being a volunteer because people get so freaky when you ask them to leash up. They live "near the park, so what's the harm?"

    The deal at Lake Hodges is unique, because of the weird, joint powers funding up there that results in "lake rangers" who are neither City nor County rangers. So, as demonstrated above, the very best thing to do with Dogs Off Leash is to contact them and politely so: local land managers will do something about it, if you bother to inform.

    In Los Penasquitos and every other City and County trail system, the Ranger DO HAVE the power to cite, not only for you being an equestrian on a human-powered-only trail but also for DOL and other such stuff. Okay, the Ranger with the fortitude and integrity to cite an equestrian for anything may be a rare one, but they're pretty unanimous on the dog thing.

    The thing in places like Los Penasquitos is that it's not uncommon for folks with little dogs, even ON leash, to have them simply snatched right off the trail by coyotes that really aren't that much larger. On the other end of things, the trail runner that was treed by the two bigass, brindled Pits would probably have loved it for a pack of coyotes to stroll on by! --If you encounter folks either with dogs off leash or on super-long leashes, take a moment to call it in or send a friendly email to the Rangers at whatever park it is.

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    so if I'm walking my dogs off leash at LPQ on the hiker/horse only trail and get run into by bikers should we just call it a wash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leanneinob View Post
    so if I'm walking my dogs off leash at LPQ on the hiker/horse only trail and get run into by bikers should we just call it a wash?
    Do you walk your dog off leash in areas where you know it is illegal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leanneinob View Post
    so if I'm walking my dogs off leash at LPQ on the hiker/horse only trail and get run into by bikers should we just call it a wash?
    No, both would be at fault, and should be dealt with swiftly!

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    Here is my opinion being a regular weekly rider at Lake Hodges. The O.P. is full of crap there is no way he saw 36 dogs with 29 being off leash. You would be hard pressed to see 36 dogs on any given weekend day in a 12 hour span. Much less 36 dogs in a 1-2 hour span of riding this trail system. Even if there was this many which there wasn't there is no way 29 were off leash. I have been riding these trails 4 times a week which includes both weekend days for several years. In any given two hour span of riding a weekend day you "may" see 5 dogs. I don't believe any of these attack scenarios he shelled out either. He is full of B.S. and sounds like one of the numerous blue haired hikers that frequent these trails. "Oh Margaret that guy has his dog off leash" "Oh shame on him! Harold he ruined our day" lets cut our day short and go home and eat some oatmeal.

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    Here is my opinion being a regular weekly rider at Lake Hodges. The O.P. is full of crap there is no way he saw 36 dogs with 29 being off leash. You would be hard pressed to see 36 dogs on any given weekend day in a 12 hour span. Much less 36 dogs in a 1-2 hour span of riding this trail system. Even if there was this many which there wasn't there is no way 29 were off leash. I have been riding these trails 4 times a week which includes both weekend days for several years. In any given two hour span of riding a weekend day you "may" see 5 dogs. I don't believe any of these attack scenarios he shelled out either. He is full of B.S. and sounds like one of the numerous blue haired hikers that frequent these trails. "Oh Margaret that guy has his dog off leash" "Oh shame on him! Harold he ruined our day" lets cut our day short and go home and eat some oatmeal.
    Sorry to bust your bubble there bub but every word I wrote is 100% true. I'll admit on most days seeing more that 10-15 dogs is a rarity but on the day in question thats how many I counted. I emailed the ranger because I was amazed at how many I had seen that day. I never meant to imply that this was an average day. Since you are a regular rider there I am sure you have seen me a time or two. I am hard to miss, I am the guy on the 1936 Mercury or the 1941 Schwinn DX or the Ellsworth Epiphany and I drive a blue Tacoma with a camper shell. Anytime you feel like having calling me a liar please feel free to do so in person. Not sure what time you ride but I have seen 10 dogs some days before leaving the parking lot.
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    Sorry to bust your bubble there bub but every word I wrote is 100% true. I'll admit on most days seeing more that 10-15 dogs is a rarity but on the day in question thats how many I counted. I emailed the ranger because I was amazed at how many I had seen that day. I never meant to imply that this was an average day. Since you are a regular rider there I am sure you have seen me a time or two. I am hard to miss, I am the guy on the 1936 Mercury or the 1941 Schwinn DX or the Ellsworth Epiphany and I drive a blue Tacoma with a camper shell. Anytime you feel like calling me a liar please feel free to do so in person. Not sure what time you ride but I have seen 10 dogs some days before leaving the parking lot.
    Nope sorry your story doesn't hold water. Lake Hodges sometimes holds water but your story, not. There is no way there was that many dogs out there. Were you out there counting for three weeks as far as seeing your ugly blue truck I have for sure seen. See you tomorrow 3 and 5pm with BIG dog off leash.

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    Nope sorry your story doesn't hold water. Lake Hodges sometimes holds water but your story, not. There is no way there was that many dogs out there. Were you out there counting for three weeks as far as seeing your ugly blue truck I have for sure seen. See you tomorrow 3 and 5pm with BIG dog off leash.
    You sir are **** stirer! I see dogs off leash every time I go there. Is it as many as the OP stated ? No, but far too many.

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    You sir are **** stirer! I see dogs off leash every time I go there. Is it as many as the OP stated ? No, but far too many.
    I'm the shits starter who called who out. This manga character basically threatened to kick my ass. Oh let's meet behind the bleachers at the Jr. High. How old are we 12 freaking immature. All I was saying is he makes up this big long lie after lie and whines to the rangers. Like I said I'm out there numerous times per week. The most traveled weekend days you could count 5-7 dogs in a 12 hour time frame. My two hour rides I see "maybe" 2-3 and the percentage of off leash is probably 2% frame 12 hour time frame. I just don't like liers and whiners. Go take up a knitting class if a little off leash dog bothers you. Damn you are in the outdoors perhaps we should put a leash on all the mountain lions as well. Make sure to fence in all the rattlesnakes. Can I go outside now Margaret. Yes Harald it's safe now. How can we believe these attack scenarios he spewed out when he lied about the number of dogs he counted. I call B.S. on the whole freaking post. And I bet the rangers saw right through to the B.S. as well.?
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    Nope sorry your story doesn't hold water. Lake Hodges sometimes holds water but your story, not. There is no way there was that many dogs out there. Were you out there counting for three weeks as far as seeing your ugly blue truck I have for sure seen. See you tomorrow 3 and 5pm with BIG dog off leash.
    Sorry I cant add to your reputaion again cuz the webpage will not allow it.I ride Hodges twice a week,I am the 55+ guy that never seems to have a problem with dogs off or on leash. Maybe it is because I have two big dogs and understand dogs more than people.I see way too many people that cause problems than dogs causing problems.I have given up on using a bike bell to let pople know I am coming because too many people have earphones and listening to crap music instead of peace and quiet.End rant

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    Nope sorry your story doesn't hold water. Lake Hodges sometimes holds water but your story, not. There is no way there was that many dogs out there. Were you out there counting for three weeks as far as seeing your ugly blue truck I have for sure seen. See you tomorrow 3 and 5pm with BIG dog off leash.
    I typically ride between 7 and 10 am. I can take being called a liar but calling my truck ugly...man that really hurts.
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    You sir are **** stirer! I see dogs off leash every time I go there. Is it as many as the OP stated ? No, but far too many.
    Like I said, the day in question was admittedly vastly above average. I don't know, maybe there was some sort of dog event in town and several of the dogs were in one area. Go ride sunset to the dam between 7 and 10. I guarantee you will see more than 10 dogs. I have seen more than that just in the parking lot. If I am a whiner for wanting people to follow the posted laws then so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    I'm the shits starter who called who out. This manga character basically threatened to kick my ass. Oh let's meet behind the bleachers at the Jr. High. How old are we 12 freaking immature. All I was saying is he makes up this big long lie after lie and whines to the rangers. Like I said I'm out there numerous times per week. The most traveled weekend days you could count 5-7 dogs in a 12 hour time frame. My two hour rides I see "maybe" 2-3 and the percentage of off leash is probably 2% frame 12 hour time frame. I just don't like liers and whiners. Go take up a knitting class if a little off leash dog bothers you. Damn you are in the outdoors perhaps we should put a leash on all the mountain lions as well. Make sure to fence in all the rattlesnakes. Can I go outside now Margaret. Yes Harald it's safe now. How can we believe these attack scenarios he spewed out when he lied about the number of dogs he counted. I call B.S. on the whole freaking post. And I bet the rangers saw right through to the B.S. as well.?
    5-7 dogs in 12 hours? I can count that many in 5 minutes on some days and thats a fact. As I stated before the day in question was vastly above average but the numbers you are quoting are way low. I typically don't care or mind off leash dogs, and I certainly don't fear for my own safety but when my 4 year old son is involved I have a problem. I might also mention the ranger I spoke to was not suprised in the least. He mentioned that dog off leash is the number 1 cause of trail user conflict. Anyway I am sorry you found my post threatening as I didn't mean it that way, but you kinda put me on the defensive by calling me a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    5-7 dogs in 12 hours? I can count that many in 5 minutes on some days and thats a fact. I typically don't care or mind off leash dogs, and I certainly don't fear for my own safety but when my 4 year old son is involved I have a problem.
    Well then maybe you should shelter your 4 year old from the outdoors. Away from the mountainlions,rattlesnakes,scorpions,bobcats,bears ,raccoons,possums,deer,elk,ducks,geese,hawks,eagle s,owls,eagrets,herons,coots,skunks,bees,wasps,horn ets,spiders,beetles,squirrels,chipmunks, vultures,turtles,frogs,toads,fish, coyotes and crows to name a few. A dog off leash is but the least of your worries.
    Or you could teach your child the ways of the world. By teaching them the outdoors and not fear dogs. Oh and BTW I'm sure the rangers have better things to do than set up a sting for off leashed dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Like I said, the day in question was admittedly vastly above average. I don't know, maybe there was some sort of dog event in town and several of the dogs were in one area. Go ride sunset to the dam between 7 and 10. I guarantee you will see more than 10 dogs. I have seen more than that just in the parking lot. If I am a whiner for wanting people to follow the posted laws then so be it.
    Or you just plain added in a bigger number to make it look like it was actually an issue out there. Didn't your parents teach you not to fib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    I typically ride between 7 and 10 am. I can take being called a liar but calling my truck ugly...man that really hurts.
    So what you are saying is our 3pm rumble is off now. I would like to ride from 3-5 so if you could show up at 2:55 that would be great. That way I can warm up for or a minute on you and still have some time to lube the Chain and pump up the tires. Oh a.d be sure to wear bike specific shoes clipless. I don't want you saying it was unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Well then maybe you should shelter your 4 year old from the outdoors. Away from the mountainlions,rattlesnakes,scorpions,bobcats,bears ,raccoons,possums,deer,elk,ducks,geese,hawks,eagle s,owls,eagrets,herons,coots,skunks,bees,wasps,horn ets,spiders,beetles,squirrels,chipmunks, vultures,turtles,frogs,toads,fish, coyotes and crows to name a few. A dog off leash is but the least of your worries.
    Or you could teach your child the ways of the world. By teaching them the outdoors and not fear dogs. Oh and BTW I'm sure the rangers have better things to do than set up a sting for off leashed dogs.
    I think you are missing the point. I am sure park rangers have lots to do as well, like enforcing park rules maybe? I am pretty sure thats part of what they get paid for. My whole point was that they are not allowed to cite for off leash dogs which seemed somewhat ironic to me. You have managed to insult my integrity, my parenting skills, my taste in trucks and you called me a Manga charactor which I must admit I am not sure if I should be insulted about that. Anyway, I think we can just agree to disagree.
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    Mangst are we on or not? I need to know because if we are on I will leave my Pomeranian at home. Just to keep it fair.
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    Mangst are we on or not? I need to know because if we are on I will leave my Pomeranian at home. Just to keep it fair.
    Sorry, I would like to accomodate you but I have a job and a family. But you know what to look for and when I like to ride there so if you still feel the need to have a discussion in person please feel free let me know. Thanks for posting, attempting to dicypher your use of the english language was a fun challenge. Oh, and I might also mention that there is a meetup group of dog owners that like to meet near Sikes adobe on Saturday and Sunday mornings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Like I said, the day in question was admittedly vastly above average. I don't know, maybe there was some sort of dog event in town and several of the dogs were in one area. Go ride sunset to the dam between 7 and 10. I guarantee you will see more than 10 dogs. I have seen more than that just in the parking lot. If I am a whiner for wanting people to follow the posted laws then so be it.
    Was not questioning you. I see dogs off leash all the time. Just calling the other guy out. Still seems like a troll to me.

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    Well I had a great ride out there on Sunday. I got there at 2:45 and waited around til 3:10 and Mangst was a no show. I rode for 2.5 hours and saw numerous hikers and a few bikers. Among the hikers were three dogs all on leash. I saw one dog off leash with a fellow rider. So for my 2.5 hours of time I saw a total of 4 dogs with 1 off leash. Wow those numbers are staggering, I can see now what you are whining about Mangst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Well I had a great ride out there on Sunday. I got there at 2:45 and waited around til 3:10 and Mangst was a no show. I rode for 2.5 hours and saw numerous hikers and a few bikers. Among the hikers were three dogs all on leash. I saw one dog off leash with a fellow rider. So for my 2.5 hours of time I saw a total of 4 dogs with 1 off leash. Wow those numbers are staggering, I can see now what you are whining about Mangst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Well I had a great ride out there on Sunday. I got there at 2:45 and waited around til 3:10 and Mangst was a no show. I rode for 2.5 hours and saw numerous hikers and a few bikers. Among the hikers were three dogs all on leash. I saw one dog off leash with a fellow rider. So for my 2.5 hours of time I saw a total of 4 dogs with 1 off leash. Wow those numbers are staggering, I can see now what you are whining about Mangst.
    So, you went there on Mothers day on a Sunday in the afternoon and you still counted 4 dogs in 2.5 hours. Not exactly peak time there. Come on out early in the morning and try again. I think it is also safe to say that the number of dogs will be lower as a result of my whining along with several other trail users. Like I said before, animal control has been out warning and citing.

    On a side note I noticed you have put a little more effort into you posts! Your grammar was suprisingly easy to follow. Clear, consise and to the point, I congratulate you. To bad your logic is still so flawed. I would love to continue debating with you but if you keep making all my points for me it is going to get a little boring.

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    Was not questioning you. I see dogs off leash all the time. Just calling the other guy out. Still seems like a troll to me.
    I understand, You will notice reading any of his posts in other threads that anyone who disagrees with him is either a liar or a whiner or both.
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    So, you went there on Mothers day on a Sunday in the afternoon and you still counted 4 dogs in 2.5 hours. Not exactly peak time there. Come on out early in the morning and try again. I think it is also safe to say that the number of dogs will be lower as a result of my whining along with several other trail users. Like I said before, animal control has been out warning and citing.

    On a side note I noticed you have put a little more effort into you posts! Your grammar was suprisingly easy to follow. Clear, consise and to the point, I congratulate you. To bad your logic is still so flawed. I would love to continue debating with you but if you keep making all my points for me it is going to get a little boring.

    Sorry I could not accomodate your schedule. It was mothers day after all but you know my schedule.
    Wow! So now you're insulting my use of the english language. And that makes you far superior in your mind. And I didn't think after you initially called me out for a meeting behind the bleachers at the Jr. High, that you would follow through on your threat. And no I am not a troll as you and Oliver have accused me of. Just one of the few people left on these forums that is not afraid to speak my opinion, for fear of a negative rep. You and I both know how much B.S. you have made up and how much is true. Have a good day Mangst
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Wow! So now you're insulting my use of the english language. And that makes you far superior in your mind. And I didn't think after you initially called me out for a meeting behind the bleachers at the Jr. High, that you would follow through on your threat. And no I am not a troll as you and Oliver have accused me of. Just one of the few people left on these forums that is not afraid to speak my opinion. For fear of a negative rep. You and I both know how much B.S. you have made up and how much is true. Have a good day Mangst
    Why don't you just tell everyone the truth? It is evident from your other postings that you are a dog owner who likes to walk his dog off leash. You see a post that you don't agree with and instead of attempting a line of civil discourse you call the poster a liar with no evidence to support your claim. Then you start insulting everything from my parenting skills to my truck and you act suprised when offer up a mere observation about your command (or lack thereof) over the english language. The only difference between the insults you have spewed out and what I said about your grammar is that I have undisputable proof that what I said about you is true. Not to mention that making fun of your grammar had the desired effect as you have clearly made some efforts to proofread before you post. I appreciate that, your earlier postings made my head hurt.

    I don't know what they did at your junior high "behind the bleachers" as you say but I know what we did and unless you are an attractive female I am not interested. I am still open for discussion but like I said you are going to have to work around my schedule. Thanks again.
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    I think it depends on the dog. Of course an out of control dog should not be off leash. But if he is mellow around people and other dogs he's fine off leash. Stop being such a pusssy and just deal with it. Oh the dog almost made me crash WTF you sound like a little girl. You may as well be the 70 year old grouchy hiker.

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    I know what the laws are and not all laws are perfect. This regulation was brought on by a group of uptight (like yourself) trail users (hikers). Big deal a mellow dog is off the leash what a bunch of upttight babies. I can see if a dog is aggressive towards people or other dogs. But it's pretty clear when you happen upon a dog and his owner how the dog is. Hint if the dog is cruising minding his business "wagging" his tail. You can be bet he's friendly. Especially if the owner says "he's nice don't worry". Stop and say hi maybe that stick will work it's way out of your ass.

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    Yeah right! Throw in some BS about crashing due to a dog and you just ruined a wheel. Did you talk to the owner and hold him accountabal? No because it didn't happen. If you can't use your brakes and avoid such a collision you shouldn't be out on multi use trails. Oh and be sure to negative rep me for my "different " opinions.

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    I guess I just get a little put off at how uptight some of you are. Are we out on the trails to have fun or to look down upon others because they don't fit what most concidar the norm. I think if most of you rode with me and my dog you would walk away with a different view. I just think this world has become more and mote pussified over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Pearls of wisdom from Spindirty:
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    I think it depends on the dog. Of course an out of control dog should not be off leash. But if he is mellow around people and other dogs he's fine off leash. Stop being such a pusssy and just deal with it. Oh the dog almost made me crash WTF you sound like a little girl. You may as well be the 70 year old grouchy hiker.

    From the same thread:
    I know what the laws are and not all laws are perfect. This regulation was brought on by a group of uptight (like yourself) trail users (hikers). Big deal a mellow dog is off the leash what a bunch of upttight babies. I can see if a dog is aggressive towards people or other dogs. But it's pretty clear when you happen upon a dog and his owner how the dog is. Hint if the dog is cruising minding his business "wagging" his tail. You can be bet he's friendly. Especially if the owner says "he's nice don't worry". Stop and say hi maybe that stick will work it's way out of your ass.

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    Yeah right! Throw in some BS about crashing due to a dog and you just ruined a wheel. Did you talk to the owner and hold him accountabal? No because it didn't happen. If you can't use your brakes and avoid such a collision you shouldn't be out on multi use trails. Oh and be sure to negative rep me for my "different " opinions.

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    I guess I just get a little put off at how uptight some of you are. Are we out on the trails to have fun or to look down upon others because they don't fit what most concidar the norm. I think if most of you rode with me and my dog you would walk away with a different view. I just think this world has become more and mote pussified over the years.

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    So what you go into my account and stalk all threads I've posted in. Get a life you freaking weirdo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    And my personal favorite:
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    Toyotas will last forever and ever.

    I have a Tacoma with a little over 250k I have never had to repair or replace anything major on it and it still runs like the day it was driven out of the lot. (2001)

    I have heard stories of guys getting up to 500k on their Land Cruisers and still going strong.

    Forget about that Chevy crap, Toyota is the king of trucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    Toyotas will last forever and ever.

    I have a Tacoma with a little over 250k I have never had to repair or replace anything major on it and it still runs like the day it was driven out of the lot. (2001)

    I have heard stories of guys getting up to 500k on their Land Cruisers and still going strong.

    Forget about that Chevy crap, Toyota is the king of trucks!
    And that was exactly my point in that thread. But apparently this Sandmangst character has an issue with every opinion I have in every thread I have posted in. He has been tailgating me or shall I say stalking me around these forums for months now. Some strange and scary behavior for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    And that was exactly my point in that thread. But apparently this Sandmangst character has an issue with every opinion I have in every thread I have posted in. He has been tailgating me or shall I say stalking me around these forums for months now. Some strange and scary behavior for sure.
    Uh, no actually I just used the search function, it took about 3 minutes. You see I like to get an idea about a person before making any judgments that way when I come to a conclusion about a persons charactor it is based in fact. I have absolutely no problem with your opinions, it is your presentation of those opinions that is offensive to me and several others. Perhaps if you refrained from calling people pussies, uptight whiners with sticks in their asses, liars and babies people would listen to your opinions and value them but it is hard to see past the insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    Uh, no actually I just used the search function, it took about 3 minutes. You see I like to get an idea about a person before making any judgments that way when I come to a conclusion about a persons charactor it is based in fact. I have absolutely no problem with your opinions, it is your presentation of those opinions that is offensive to me and several others. Perhaps if you refrained from calling people pussies, uptight whiners with sticks in their asses, liars and babies people would listen to your opinions and value them but it is hard to see past the insults.
    Well IMO that search function should be turned off for members with a stalking background. Just stop tailgating me around these forums and we should be fine.

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    Well IMO that search function should be turned off for members with a stalking background. Just stop tailgating me around these forums and we should be fine.
    You see? You managed to express your opinion without being insulting in the least. Congratulations. You have the option of making your account private. I am not sure if you know this but when you post things on the internet sometimes people read them. Anyway I am done with you. Welcome to my ignore list.
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    I have been attacked by off leash dogs 3 times in San Diego. Once in PQ I was bitten on the knee. A month ago 2 dogs attacked my dog and he fought back and damn near killed one of them (he was on a leash). The last time a really large dog bit my hand and my handlebar making me fall. I got sick of it so I decided to write an email to the senior Park Ranger. Here is the email I wrote:

    Hello David, I am emailing you in the hopes that something will be done about the off leash dog problem at Lake Hodges. Over a month ago my 4 year old son and I were walking our 94 pound lab just south of the parking lot when he was approached by 2 smaller dogs that were not leashed. They attacked him and he fought back. My son was knocked down and I was pulled down as well. I was forced to let my dog go so he could defend himself. He severely injured one of the other dogs. The other dog owner was quite distraught but to his credit he has not attempted to sue me, most likely because he was breaking the law. Since this incident I have become more aware of the problem with off leash dogs. I also mountain bike and 2 weeks ago I decided to count how many dogs I encountered. From Sunset drive to the dam and back I counted 36 dogs of which only 7 were on leashes. Thats 29 off leash dogs. I normally would not care enough to complain but on that ride I myself was jumped by an off leash dog causing me to fall off my bike. Luckily I only got a few scrapes but I have had enough.
    I realize that the parks service is stretched rather thin but I hope that at some point there will be some enforcement of the laws. It seems the majority of dog owners in the Escondido area either can't read the clearly posted signs or they just don't care. I am leaning towards the latter. The only way to make them care is by hitting them where it hurts, their wallets. I am not sure what the fine is for off leash dogs but I think it is $250 for a first offense. Thats $7250 bucks for one Saturday morning. I hope that something can be done before the problem causes someone to get hurt. Thanks.

    And here is the response I got:

    Thank you for your concern in this matter. Sorry to hear about your incident.


    Dog off leash is the number one problem we have in our park. Unfortunately the San Dieguito River Park Rangers can not site for DOL and are forced to call animal control when things start getting out of control. It appears that we are at that point again. I will try and set up a good time for them to come out and cite, hopefully that will curtail the problem for awhile. We always inform visitors of the need for their dogs to be leashed but like you said sometimes it doesn't sink in till it hits their wallets.


    First off I have to say, if rangers can't cite people for breaking the law within the park boundaries then what good are they? I realize they are bound by the law and the constraints of their jobs.

    I encourage those of you who have had problems with aggressive off leash dogs to be sure and email the park rangers and/or animal control. I am sure there are literally thousands of incidents that go unreported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Anybody else see through this B.S.?
    No, just yours. I have had numerous dogs lurch at me while riding past.

    Now please drop the B.S. yourself, and give it a rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    No, just yours. I have had numerous dogs lurch at me while riding past.

    Now please drop the B.S. yourself, and give it a rest.
    Oliver is that you? No way don't you remember we used to ride P.Q. together.You never mentioned back then having had any dogs lurch at you much less "numerous ". What are you going to jump on the B.S. wagon with Mangst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Oliver is that you? No way don't you remember we used to ride P.Q. together.You never mentioned back then having had any dogs lurch at you much less "numerous ". What are you going to jump on the B.S. wagon with Mangst.
    Sorry buddy, not sure who you are. Nice try to dis-credit me. Move on please!

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    13 today with only 2 off leash between sunset and the dam and back between 7:30 and 9:45. Thats about average. Then I rode the south side and saw 6 more all leashed. Looks like animal control did their job. There is one old guy out there that walks most mornings with 7 or 8 border collies. Didn't see him but his dogs are always under perfect control. Very well trained.
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    Well Thursday, I hiked the floor of PQ with the County Ranger for some trails assessment and we passed/encountered 6 dogs, two of them off leash and one on about 20' of leash. A nice smiling, ranger with a ticket book in hand (never mentioned ticket) and they were all on 6' as we parted.

    Some particular trails are in very nice condition, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil View Post
    Well Thursday, I hiked the floor of PQ with the County Ranger for some trails assessment and we passed/encountered 6 dogs, two of them off leash and one on about 20' of leash. A nice smiling, ranger with a ticket book in hand (never mentioned ticket) and they were all on 6' as we parted.

    Some particular trails are in very nice condition, btw.
    PQ is where my dog got bit by a rattler. Yes she was off leash and yes paying over $1000 bucks for the vet taught me a lesson. And that was 10 years ago. I don't imagine the cost has gone down. The tissue damage she had was massive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    13 today with only 2 off leash between sunset and the dam and back between 7:30 and 9:45. Thats about average. Then I rode the south side and saw 6 more all leashed. Looks like animal control did their job. There is one old guy out there that walks most mornings with 7 or 8 border collies. Didn't see him but his dogs are always under perfect control. Very well trained.
    No just the way it's always been. BTW thanks for not exagerating and B.S.ing us this time. Congradulations! Looks like you learned your lesson.

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    Too bad open carry laws are gone(and forget concealed carry, move to a free state if you want that right). It would probably pretty easy to justify a charging dog of a certain size.

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    Nice thread, I never realised this was such an issue. I personally have no problem with off leash dogs. Out of the hundreds seen over the years I have never had an issue.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    Anybody else see through this B.S.?
    All I can gather from the mud slinging that went on in this thread is that you, Spindirt, whoever you are, are not very smart. You are obviously against leash laws, ok fine, but don't get into a stupid argument as to how many dogs one person did or did not see, unless you were there with him you have no right to attack his counting skills.

    DOL is a problem, dogs need to be on leashes, end of story.

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    I'm torn on this. Although I haven't been bitten or attacked by any dogs, a dog in attack mode is no joke. That being said, part of what I love about riding is seeing people walking their dog and the dogs are totally free to roam and run. I don't even own a dog right now, but I'm happy to see a happy dog.

    We have to keep in mind that a lot of people don't have huge backyards to let their dogs run around. So the trails or dog park are the only places. Also, hiking with their dog is as much a stress relief as it is for us riding our bikes.

    No easy answer on this one, imo.

    PS: I've come closer to injury or simply been annoyed by no-etiquette-having MTBers on trails than any dogs. But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WLAmtb View Post
    We have to keep in mind that a lot of people don't have huge backyards to let their dogs run around. So the trails or dog park are the only places. Also, hiking with their dog is as much a stress relief as it is for us riding our bikes.

    No easy answer on this one, imo.
    You kinda answered your own question right there... If you don't have a big yard to let your dog run, take it to the dog park.

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    Indeed they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil View Post

    Some particular trails are in very nice condition, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    All I can gather from the mud slinging that went on in this thread is that you, Spindirt, whoever you are, are not very smart. You are obviously against leash laws, ok fine, but don't get into a stupid argument as to how many dogs one person did or did not see, unless you were there with him you have no right to attack his counting skills.

    DOL is a problem, dogs need to be on leashes, end of story.

    SpinDirt has every right to his opinion. My problem was with the way it was presented. That being said it was my fault for engaging him in the first place. I have been posting here for a long time and I should have known better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WLAmtb View Post
    I'm torn on this. Although I haven't been bitten or attacked by any dogs, a dog in attack mode is no joke. That being said, part of what I love about riding is seeing people walking their dog and the dogs are totally free to roam and run. I don't even own a dog right now, but I'm happy to see a happy dog.

    We have to keep in mind that a lot of people don't have huge backyards to let their dogs run around. So the trails or dog park are the only places. Also, hiking with their dog is as much a stress relief as it is for us riding our bikes.

    No easy answer on this one, imo.

    PS: I've come closer to injury or simply been annoyed by no-etiquette-having MTBers on trails than any dogs. But that's just me.
    Just to clarify, in retrospect, the big dog that bit at my hand and made me fall was not in "full attack mode". I think he was in full silly dog play mode. He jumped and nipped at my hand pushing my handlebar so I fell. Not a big deal really but at the time I did not know if he was playing or not and he did make me bleed a bit. I have no doubt if he really wanted to hurt me he could have easily done so.

    I am a dog lover too. I love to let my dog run in open areas and I would be the first person letting him do so if the leash laws were repealed but I have to assume that there is some degree of logic behind the leash laws as they are written.

    I have to agree with you though, I have been injured far more often and much more seriously by other bikers making mistakes or just being stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    SpinDirt has every right to his opinion. My problem was with the way it was presented. That being said it was my fault for engaging him in the first place. I have been posting here for a long time and I should have known better.
    Yeah, sometimes it is just hard to resist feeding the trolls. Though I did like how you called him out by searching his other posts on the forums, Classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WLAmtb View Post
    I'm torn on this. Although I haven't been bitten or attacked by any dogs, a dog in attack mode is no joke. That being said, part of what I love about riding is seeing people walking their dog and the dogs are totally free to roam and run. I don't even own a dog right now, but I'm happy to see a happy dog.

    We have to keep in mind that a lot of people don't have huge backyards to let their dogs run around. So the trails or dog park are the only places. Also, hiking with their dog is as much a stress relief as it is for us riding our bikes.

    No easy answer on this one, imo.

    PS: I've come closer to injury or simply been annoyed by no-etiquette-having MTBers on trails than any dogs. But that's just me.
    I 100% agree with you on these thoughts.^^^^^
    I have never had a problem with the hundreds of dogs I have seen on the trails over many years of riding. If a dog owner chooses to have him off leash 99% of the time the dog is well behaved and mellow. The problem ls like with everything in life there always one or two bad apples that ruin it for the rest. I think the O.P. went a little overboard by contacting the rangers and launching an all out sting.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    I 100% agree with you on these thoughts.^^^^^
    I have never had a problem with the hundreds of dogs I have seen on the trails over many years of riding. If a dog owner chooses to have him off leash 99% of the time the dog is well behaved and mellow. The problem ls like with everything in life there always one or two bad apples that ruin it for the rest. I think the O.P. went a little overboard by contacting the rangers and launching an all out sting.
    And the fact that the very few facts he presented were exaggerated to the hilt. And then he threw in some more B.S. for good measure.

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    Unfortunately there is no easy solution for this but to try and get the information from the owner of the dog and contact animal control. If they allowed Rangers to cite, all they would be doing is regulating the dummies who can't follow the leash rules.

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    Well here you go:

    San Diego Mountain Biking Association &bull; View topic - Tales of Woe (from the trail)

    Or would SpinDirt say he bit himslef and blamed a dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser Sailor View Post
    You can perform a citizens arrest if you are attacked by someone else's dog, or if you see an owner negligently or intentionally allow their dog to attack someone. If you do this the police must come and take custody of the suspect, they will usually cite and release for the misdemeanor.

    San Diego County Code

    Sec. 62.669.1. PUBLIC PROTECTION FROM DOGS.

    (a) Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from attacking, biting, or otherwise causing injury to any person engaged in a lawful act; from interfering with the lawful use of public or private property; or from damaging personal property which is lawfully upon public property, or upon private property with the permission of the person who owns or has the right to possess or use the private property. Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    California Penal Code §837
    A private person may arrest another:

    1. For a public offense (usually understood to mean a misdemeanor) committed or attempted in his presence.

    2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.

    3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
    Personally, I would never attempt a citizens arrest for a misdemeanor regardless of what your local law says. There is a lot of liability there. Also, I was under the impression that, in most places, a citizens arrest could only be performed if the person being arrested committed a felony or you have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a felony. I may be wrong though.

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