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    Need advice for San Diego

    I am visitng San Diego this weekend and wanted to get some riding in on Saturday.

    I was going to rent a bike at North of the Border but they only allow riding at Los Penasquitos Canyon or they charge $150.00 to take the bike elswhere.

    From what I have read Los Penasquitos is not that challanging so Im not sure if that is the place to ride.

    I was thinking if there was somewhere else to rent a decent Mountain bike I would go to the Mission hills trail system.

    If anyone knows other shops with decent renatlas or has better info on Los Penasquitos I would appreciate it.

    Thanks!

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    Can't help you with bike rentals but how would North of the Border know exactly where you're taking the bike to ride? Penasquitos is NOT very challenging but IMO, it's still alot more fun than Mission Trails. MT is probably my least favorite place to ride in SD. I'd go out to Nobel Cyn if I only had (1) day to ride in SD.

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    You can look here for some suggestions for trails: MountainBikeBill's Mountain biking Trail Reviews, Videos and Pictures

    Also, you could post this on dirttreaders.com, since they're San Diego-based.
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    [QUOTE=rjr19146;10096551

    From what I have read Los Penasquitos is not that challanging so Im not sure if that is the place to ride.

    I was thinking if there was somewhere else to rent a decent Mountain bike I would go to the Mission hills trail system.

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    In my opinion, PQ >> Mission Trails. especially if you don't really know your way around.

    PQ is not that challenging. there are some options that can actually make it very fun but some of those options are of questionable access status so i won't publish them here. However, there still are a lot of options that are more than just the north and south side trails that can give you decent climbing and some ST descents.

    MT is not very biker friendly. the trails from one side of the park to the other are all old Jeep trails and are super steep and not very fun. there's not really enough mileage to put together a good fun ride unless you cross the Fortuna saddle which pretty much just sucks. it's a decent place to get your workout in if you're local but it's far from anything I'd recommend to anybody visiting. there used to be plenty of fun ST but most of those trails entered a military base and the military recently started patrolling with more effort effectively closing the trails from us.

    if I had one place to ride in san diego, I'd hit Daley ranch. but ti's about a 25 minute drive from North of the Border.

    Noble Canyon would be the must visit ride but it's a good hour plus drive and to do it properly it's an all day event made more difficult if you are on a solo ride and don't really know where to go.

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    Yeah, I just put in 15 miles of mostly single track at Mission Trails yesterday.

    The weather was perfect, the dirt was perfect.

    MTRP really sucks don't go there…

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    Agree with what Yeti Rider said. The West side of MT has a few fun trails but you only get about 6-7 miles before doing repeats. Not really a destination for a one-day visit. Noble/Laguna will eat up most of your day and it's supposed to be cold & wet up there this weekend.

    Black Mountain is fairly close to PQ and is more fun/challenging. Check out this thread for some ideas. The Racers & Chasers link has interesting routes. Hope you enjoy your stay!

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    Thanks for the advice. Found another shop that rents so may go there and head to black mountain

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    It's not San Diego but I know The Path in Orange County has a pretty good rental fleet of full-suspension bikes and there is always the San Juan Trail - lots of fun, easy to get to and hard to get lost! About an hour north of 'north of the border'.

    If you find a decent full-sus mtn bike rental in San Diego please let us know where you did as that would be helpful info indeed.

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    Mission trails has plenty of good stuff. Avoid the fortuna peak area. Park at equestrian center off of Mast blvd and head west to the service road, and then north up the valley. Find the single track. Explore that valley and one valley west. Respect the signs about access to certain areas.

    Los Penasquitos has some decent stuff too but tends to be flatter (unless you climb up into the Del Mar Mesa area). Still fun Single Track and a bit of fire road but, less technically challenging and less aerobically challenging. However, as a jumping off point to access Del Mar Mesa, and from there the San Dieguito River Park area, it's a nice spot.

    Daley Ranch is nice too. More variety than either of the afformentioned and more potential for climbing. Feels more remote and will be a little less crowded once you get into the park. West side of the park has the most terrain and the better single track.

    Black Mountain has some strenuous climbing that I think sort of interferes with the flow and fun.

    If you're based in San Diego and pressed for time, I'd hit up Mission Trails first. Possible to get 14 miles with no overlap if you know the area or are willing to explore. A little easy to get lost in the canyons so bring a GPS. Lots of nice riders willing to point you in the right direction or help out if you have a technical problem.

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    There's a reason they chose black mtn to do an enduro. It's fun! It will also kick your ass one way or another. I love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWill View Post
    Yeah, I just put in 15 miles of mostly single track at Mission Trails yesterday.
    100% Legal singletrack?

    I never said there wasn't ST to ride. but for the most part it's not officially legal to ride. certainly not 15 miles worth of legal singletrack.

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    PQ canyon will probably be closed this weekend anyway. We've got rain today, tomorrow and Saturday. It does not take very much for them to close it. Lake Hodges from the 15 to the dam can be fun. It's not challenging but it should be open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooten View Post
    PQ canyon will probably be closed this weekend anyway. We've got rain today, tomorrow and Saturday. It does not take very much for them to close it.
    It will be closed according to the ranger:

    Well, we had one day of all the trails being open…It has started to rain here and with the trails already being as wet as they are we made the decision to close all the trails. The National Weather Service is calling for rain through Sunday, so the trails will be closed through the weekend for sure and possibly into next week. I will let you know of any changes.

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    I am here and it is raining. Is Daley ranch or black mountain rideable after a rain? Or in the rain?

    Or should I cancel the car and bike rental?

    There's only a 30% chance of rain tomorrow so how will the trails be in those places?

    Ugh

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    The San Juan Trail will be in great shape tomorrow (well, maybe some mud if you go through the meadow on top).

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    It might be a bit of a drive for you (an hourish?) but you won't be disappointed!
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    San Juan it is then!

    Thanks

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    ^^ Awesome! Be aware that you're supposed to have an Adventure Pass to park at the trailhead, but it costs the same as the ticket--$5.

    I can "guide" you up if you're interested (although it's pretty basic), just shoot me a PM. The most basic route involves climbing about 7 miles up to Cocktail Rock, then most people do the upper loop clockwise for a bonus 5 miles. But the meadow area on top will probably be muddy. I would recommend that once you get to Cocktail Rock that you take a right behind the boulders and follow the trail (much more chunky with short ups and downs) for a few miles, then just turn around when you stop having fun. Dress warm, especially for the descent!

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    Russ- Thanks again for a really fun ride yesterday. I checked the stats, and it's about 2400 ft of climbing just to Cocktail Rock. I think you surprised yourself!
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    Thank you!! That was an awesome ride!! If you are in PA shoot me a message!

    That rental has me with serious new bike envy.

    If anyone is looking for good rentals B&L Bike and Board had a sweet Stumpjumper 29er for 65.00 a day and no trail restrictions.

    Thanks again Doug!

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    Hi there. I'll hopefully be doing this same thing over Easter weekend - visiting the San Diego area, with a day that I'd like to set aside for a bike rental/ride. San Juan looks great, though I'm sure it will tax my abilities. I like a challenge, but I've also spent my entire mountain biking life in a place with no mountains (Michigan). Am I biting off more than I can chew (esp in winter shape) with San Juan? I'm not a good climber or jumper, but I love fast, flowing trails with descents. Doug and Russ, any thoughts? Any help or opinions would be great. Thanks!

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    If you're a poor climber, I'd suggest shuttling SJT if you can to increase the fun:suffer ratio.

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    Hey CTB,
    The climb up San Juan was awesome. The switchbacks are not overly steep but it is a long climb. 7 miles and 2600 ft of elevation (I think)

    San Juan was like an hour and 15 minutes from San Diego but well worth the drive.

    I can't tell you whether it's for you, you might surprise yourself, but the trail up and down was awesome

    Have fun and definitely ride

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    There are some really good videos of the trail. I know I'd eat up the downhill part as far as enjoyment (I live for the few fast descents we have around here), and there were many videos of that. I did find one person who uploaded the climb through the switchbacks. It looks like nothing I can't handle, just a lot of granny gearing. I think my bigger problem will be that I have a history of not getting out of clipless pedals fast enough to dab, so hopefully I can get something with cages on a rental bike. I learned this lesson the hard way in Sedona, so I don't want to repeat that. I can get out of clips quickly, and they provide the pedaling/attachment benefits of clipless. Plus I have pads now...

    I have a friend in Santa Ana that I hope will join me. Otherwise, I may try and find someone local, just for safety's sake. Thanks for the feedback!

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    I brought my pedals with me so that is something to consider. The switchbacks are lots of fun in both directions. I actually navigated them better on the way up

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    I would just add that you have a month to get ready, right?! If you can get some long rides in before then, I would encourage you to try the climb. All the people that I've guided up have really enjoyed the accomplishment. Most of it is just a steady climb, and you have the advantage of knowing the trail when you turn around. Good luck!
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    Ha, I live in Detroit. I can't get ANY rides in before then... But I'm doing winter training indoors, etc. My friend says he will join me, and we're planning on allocating the day for the ride. I fully intend on trying the climb. I need to determine what parts of the trail are in the great videos I've seen for the downhill portions - don't want to miss any of that. I know I'm probably not fully grasping what I'm in for, but it does seem doable as I read about it and view it. Gotta push outside one's comfort zone to grow, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB View Post
    Ha, I live in Detroit. I can't get ANY rides in before then... But I'm doing winter training indoors, etc.
    Ugghh. I've done that before. That'll mentally prepare you for the 6 mile climb to cocktail rock, for sure! I couldn't stand the boredom of a trainer; rollers made it bearable... If you do the loop above that, the riding is super fun (slightly more technical) and the climbs much shorter; plus there's the 6 miles of roller coaster downhill to look forward to.
    No matter how you ride it, it's hard to not have fun on SJT.

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    Yeah, the indoor stuff is brutally boring. I bought a TV and DVD player to put in front of the bike, just to make it usable.

    So just to make sure I understand, the switchbacks part of SJT is 2-way traffic, yes? Certainly something to think about! None of our trails here are 2-way. Yikes.

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    So the trip is on. I've got a bike rented and will be bringing my riding gear. Gonna do some form of SJT on Sat 30 Mar, the day before Easter. I have to have the bike back by 5pm that day, but I think that gives plenty of time, more time than I'll have stamina. Looking forward to it!

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    To each their own and I'm absolutely not trying to talk you out of anything but if you do that climb to Cocktail Rock, you probably won't have any desire to go any further. I know there are plenty of people who ride the whole thing (I was one of them 10+ years ago) but based on what I've personally seen, 90% of the people who do this ride turn around at Cocktail Rock.

    I personally think all the best stuff (I like it a little techier) is above Cocktail Rock so we shuttle it instead. The bottom half below Cocktail is great too and definitely more flowy. It's not nearly the same workout or accomplishment if you shuttle it but it is more fun. Not only will there be people going both ways on the trail but there's also alot of runners on some weekend mornings.

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    K2, thanks for the advice. What would you recommend? Maybe park one car at the bottom, then drive two bikes and people to Blue Jay (I think?) campground in another, continue to ride away from the switchbacks, and then at some point turn around and run it all the way down to the end? That sounds like a decent option. I would like to have something left in the tank to explore stuff past Cocktail Rock, so maybe this is the way to go.

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    CTB...that's exactly what we do. The only bummer is having to go back to pick up the 2nd car of course. Even that top section down to Cocktail Rock has some climbing involved...and if you're any taller than 5-10, watch out for some low hanging branches.

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    So if we shuttle to Blue Jay, is it worth our while to continue north (looks like NE on the map) from there, or do you just head back down to the SW toward the switchbacks? I've seen some GPS tracks online that head that way, but I have no idea which parts of the trail are better than others. Sorry for all the q's, but since I just have the one day, I want to make sure I do it right without missing any of the good stuff.

    No worries about the 5'10" thing. Both me and my buddy are well below that. One of the few times it pays off.

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    We just come right back down. There is more riding off the other way which I never knew until we saw a race group (with Tinker Juarez and Floyd Landis) up there one time riding off that way. Apparently there's a TON of climbing from what I have been told. Like I said though, even coming down has it's share of UP's on some rutted double track that is pretty challenging.

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    Less than a week until my trip. Woo hoo! While trying to learn what I can about the trail, I found the attached map that someone had done. They took a different route up than down. We're going to do a shuttle ride from the top, so do you guys have any advice on which of these two routes to take? The east route (bearing left on the way down, which is what this person did in the map) looks like it has more elevation change to play with, but that's all I can tell. Any local knowledge here? Thanks again! Can't wait to get out there...
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    The 'left' (more like straight on the trail) route is the way I prefer. Its more undulating and has some fun rocky bits as well.

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    Coming from the top you want the left option (shows as right on this map facing north). You will come to a 4 way crossing and you just go straight and not right.

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    Hey CTB,
    How much route advice do you want? There's a chance on the 'left' fork one could end up at Hwy 74 a long way from either vehicle.

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    Wow, ok, I definitely would like enough route advice to not end up on Hwy 74 a long way from our vehicles. Everyone, thanks for the help.

    EDIT: Hey, what happened to this thread? At least two new posts aren't showing up on the screen when I read it. ???
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    Yep, definitely the left option. Like Salespunk said above- straight at the 4-way, then just don't take any of the left options (Chiquito and Viejo Tie) until you get back to Cocktail Rock and rejoin the main trail.

    Maps: </title> <title> and http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5288670.pdf
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    Not sure what happened to dirtvert's post ^^^^, but in Chrome and IE the page just ends right after the word "Maps:". Some rogue HTML got inserted, it appears. So I tried Firefox, and am able to see more and post this.

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    ^^ Yeah, sorry. I can't even go in to edit it...

    CTB- I'll let you find the maps online! Just Google "San Juan Trail" and/or "Cleveland National Forest". Good luck!
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    Thanks for the tips.

    Something strange is going on with this thread. I got a notification about a reply, but that reply isn't here anymore, and Dirtvert's post just ends with "Maps:" with nothing below it. Anyone else see something different? Either way, all these tips should be helpful. Thanks!

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