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    Ha, I live in Detroit. I can't get ANY rides in before then... But I'm doing winter training indoors, etc. My friend says he will join me, and we're planning on allocating the day for the ride. I fully intend on trying the climb. I need to determine what parts of the trail are in the great videos I've seen for the downhill portions - don't want to miss any of that. I know I'm probably not fully grasping what I'm in for, but it does seem doable as I read about it and view it. Gotta push outside one's comfort zone to grow, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB View Post
    Ha, I live in Detroit. I can't get ANY rides in before then... But I'm doing winter training indoors, etc.
    Ugghh. I've done that before. That'll mentally prepare you for the 6 mile climb to cocktail rock, for sure! I couldn't stand the boredom of a trainer; rollers made it bearable... If you do the loop above that, the riding is super fun (slightly more technical) and the climbs much shorter; plus there's the 6 miles of roller coaster downhill to look forward to.
    No matter how you ride it, it's hard to not have fun on SJT.

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    Yeah, the indoor stuff is brutally boring. I bought a TV and DVD player to put in front of the bike, just to make it usable.

    So just to make sure I understand, the switchbacks part of SJT is 2-way traffic, yes? Certainly something to think about! None of our trails here are 2-way. Yikes.

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    yes

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    So the trip is on. I've got a bike rented and will be bringing my riding gear. Gonna do some form of SJT on Sat 30 Mar, the day before Easter. I have to have the bike back by 5pm that day, but I think that gives plenty of time, more time than I'll have stamina. Looking forward to it!

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    To each their own and I'm absolutely not trying to talk you out of anything but if you do that climb to Cocktail Rock, you probably won't have any desire to go any further. I know there are plenty of people who ride the whole thing (I was one of them 10+ years ago) but based on what I've personally seen, 90% of the people who do this ride turn around at Cocktail Rock.

    I personally think all the best stuff (I like it a little techier) is above Cocktail Rock so we shuttle it instead. The bottom half below Cocktail is great too and definitely more flowy. It's not nearly the same workout or accomplishment if you shuttle it but it is more fun. Not only will there be people going both ways on the trail but there's also alot of runners on some weekend mornings.

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    K2, thanks for the advice. What would you recommend? Maybe park one car at the bottom, then drive two bikes and people to Blue Jay (I think?) campground in another, continue to ride away from the switchbacks, and then at some point turn around and run it all the way down to the end? That sounds like a decent option. I would like to have something left in the tank to explore stuff past Cocktail Rock, so maybe this is the way to go.

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    CTB...that's exactly what we do. The only bummer is having to go back to pick up the 2nd car of course. Even that top section down to Cocktail Rock has some climbing involved...and if you're any taller than 5-10, watch out for some low hanging branches.

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    So if we shuttle to Blue Jay, is it worth our while to continue north (looks like NE on the map) from there, or do you just head back down to the SW toward the switchbacks? I've seen some GPS tracks online that head that way, but I have no idea which parts of the trail are better than others. Sorry for all the q's, but since I just have the one day, I want to make sure I do it right without missing any of the good stuff.

    No worries about the 5'10" thing. Both me and my buddy are well below that. One of the few times it pays off.

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    We just come right back down. There is more riding off the other way which I never knew until we saw a race group (with Tinker Juarez and Floyd Landis) up there one time riding off that way. Apparently there's a TON of climbing from what I have been told. Like I said though, even coming down has it's share of UP's on some rutted double track that is pretty challenging.

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    Less than a week until my trip. Woo hoo! While trying to learn what I can about the trail, I found the attached map that someone had done. They took a different route up than down. We're going to do a shuttle ride from the top, so do you guys have any advice on which of these two routes to take? The east route (bearing left on the way down, which is what this person did in the map) looks like it has more elevation change to play with, but that's all I can tell. Any local knowledge here? Thanks again! Can't wait to get out there...
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    The 'left' (more like straight on the trail) route is the way I prefer. Its more undulating and has some fun rocky bits as well.

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    Coming from the top you want the left option (shows as right on this map facing north). You will come to a 4 way crossing and you just go straight and not right.

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    Hey CTB,
    How much route advice do you want? There's a chance on the 'left' fork one could end up at Hwy 74 a long way from either vehicle.

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    Wow, ok, I definitely would like enough route advice to not end up on Hwy 74 a long way from our vehicles. Everyone, thanks for the help.

    EDIT: Hey, what happened to this thread? At least two new posts aren't showing up on the screen when I read it. ???
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    Yep, definitely the left option. Like Salespunk said above- straight at the 4-way, then just don't take any of the left options (Chiquito and Viejo Tie) until you get back to Cocktail Rock and rejoin the main trail.

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